Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Not sure if anyone was waiting for this movie, but some director was planning on making a movie about Bubbles. It would be through his eyes or whatever. But he has pulled out of the project and so did Netflix.

We still have a lot of stupid ****ing idiots in this world.

Here's the article

https://deadline.com/2019/05/taika-...1ORCDPzTcg2T7iro66uQPCF9_jIWlNgyFCNDuTDvGpvOw

He pulled out due to scheduling conflicts with another movie, so LN likely had nothing to do with him pulling out. Netflix pulling out, however... that could have been a factor.

The movie sounds like it would've been a mess anyway.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a great podcast interview I did with <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Fn_Green?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Adam_Fn_Green</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJoeLynch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJoeLynch</a>. Thank you both for wanting to get the truth out there about Leaving Neverland.<a href="https://t.co/tFbnI1fmdy">https://t.co/tFbnI1fmdy</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1133079174573305862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#2 The District judge could decide that the decision regarding arbitration should be made by a state court, and remand (force) the case back to state court. Today is a holiday in the US, so the courts are closed. 2/</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1133033825481633792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This ruling simply decides whether arbitration should occur or not. If the judge decides in favor of arbitration, then the case moves forward.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1133040706598068225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Paris78;4258861 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#8217;s a great podcast interview I did with <a href="https://twitter.com/Adam_Fn_Green?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Adam_Fn_Green</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJoeLynch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJoeLynch</a>. Thank you both for wanting to get the truth out there about Leaving Neverland.<a href="https://t.co/tFbnI1fmdy">https://t.co/tFbnI1fmdy</a></p>&#8212; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1133079174573305862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Wow. Haven't listened yet, but, as a horror movie fan as well, i do check out this podcast from time to time and this is a welcome surprise! This conversation will definitely open more eyes outside the fan community to do their research!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On this week’s special 3 hour episode <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> joins us to discuss the truth about his late uncle Michael Jackson in the wake of HBO’s controversial Leaving Neverland “documentary.” DON’T MISS THIS EPISODE- now playing everywhere! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/3T?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#3T</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TajJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TajJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJinnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/FP9TraTnfM">pic.twitter.com/FP9TraTnfM</a></p>&mdash; Movie Crypt Podcast (@MovieCrypt) <a href="https://twitter.com/MovieCrypt/status/1133056917725597699?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Again mute who? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> also this was a concert idk who the singer was&#128514; <a href="https://t.co/SvRcutjTLs">pic.twitter.com/SvRcutjTLs</a></p>&mdash; bora qehajaj (@BQehajaj) <a href="https://twitter.com/BQehajaj/status/1133099388254007296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reminder: Today we should get a ruling from the judge on the MJ Estate's lawsuit against HBO. The judge will hopefully rule on whether arbitration should occur or not. Several fans and the media are trying to find out what the ruling is. Stay tuned. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1133378122877816833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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I got feeling we gonna win this. Michael been sending us alot of light already as we speak. keep on shining Michael.
 
I got feeling we gonna win this. Michael been sending us alot of light already as we speak. keep on shining Michael.

But isn't this just a small step of many many more steps to come and hopefully overcome? Even if they rule in favor of Mike, it's far from over I'm sure. I would guess the same goes for if they don't rule in Mike's favor.
 
But isn't this just a small step of many many more steps to come and hopefully overcome? Even if they rule in favor of Mike, it's far from over I'm sure. I would guess the same goes for if they don't rule in Mike's favor.

Hopefully this will be a big step because that will let people know that LN is/and was a bunch of lies. but your right though.
 
Does this mean we wait another day?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Signed agreement for transcript not ruling..</p>&mdash; Rasheed (@rasheedKOPV) <a href="https://twitter.com/rasheedKOPV/status/1133505276743602177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28 May 2019</a></blockquote>
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What actually happens next if MJ wins?

So many questions, I don't understand court stuff.
 
I am still working on things with the court, I will give a statement in a bit via Twitter. Their wont be a ruling given tonight but I have an update to give.. Just want to see if I recieve what I am talking about before hand or get confirmation of when.
 
Last update for the evening:
https://twitter.com/rasheedKOPV/status/1133553892799549440

I see the Civil Minutes document released which I think some are confusing that with the ruling.. If there is a lawyer (or simply knowledgeable) about legal docs. Can you clarify?

I spoke to individuals at the court that were telling me that the Civil Minutes is more or less a detailed doc of what the ruling will be over. Not the ruling itself.. Which BTW was supposed to be entered on Friday but staff ran home..

Ended up working OT tonight because of it.
 
Disappointing. So we wait until 24th and probably find out on his anniversary!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks like #1 motion to remand to state court denied. #2 motion to compel arbitration partially denied, because Judge doesn't know if an arbitrator or Judge should hear the case. Next hearing 6/24/19. And we probably will not get a ruling that day. <a href="https://t.co/RRBs3f2SML">https://t.co/RRBs3f2SML</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1133539485461803008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">29 May 2019</a></blockquote>
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Good news already. to be honest

I am happy that its taking time. That the court is not quick to decide. When its taking time all I think about is reed and the 2 others squirming as the court go through everything:shrugmeme:

.... To clear m of this mess would be amazing on 25th june. with also maybe a "michael's law" passed.
That's what i'm aiming to see here.
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?! What are they doing? why is it taking so long? why a day before Michael passing? this is crazy i been up all day all morning here were i live and i stood up for nothing? this been going on since march and still nothing? i don't know how to feel about this. now i understand what michael went though. this is bullcrap. i'm not giving up but there's better be a good outcome out of this. i'm serious. this is sick. this is disgusting. this is stupid. this everything wrong in the book. everybody who was apart of this crap all going to heck in hand basket for sure! nothing make sense in this world anymore! i'm am so peeded off right now. leave michael alone. i pray for michael, us fans, and his family. i'm am so tired of this crap. i just can't anymore. :mat:

HBO NEED TO BE SUED! I"M SO DONE WITH THAT COMPANY! why won't they just leave Michael alone dude? this is all really sad. i don't know anymore man.

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Re: Good news already. to be honest

.... To clear m of this mess would be amazing on 25th june. with also maybe a "michael's law" passed.
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Let's hope so. cause if not i don't know anymore. :(
 
safechucks got sued right? is there a way to find out if they paid the money already?
 
Please keep the faith NatureCriminal , darling
we will win out youll see :wub:
 
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and when they get what they deserve i think we should all go to etsy and ask some fantastic designer/ shop to make banners and a big flag and other celebration items:flowers:
 
As far as I remember, somebody foun devidence that Safechuck and family got served with notification that they were being sued by two ladies (in connection with their business) for around $800,000 2 days(!) before he "realised" he was abused. no joke. The legal notice was posted online.

Wow thats new news to me
 
HBO WINS FIRST ROUND IN MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE&#8217;S &#8216;LEAVING NEVERLAND&#8217; LAWSUIT

A federal judge refuses to let an arbitrator determine jurisdiction in a controversy over whether the documentary disparaged the late pop singer.

The dispute over Leaving Neverland, HBO&#8217;s documentary will stay in open court for now. Following a hearing last week, a federal judge on Tuesday decided to reject a motion from the Michael Jackson Estate to immediately throw the case to an arbitrator.

The Michael Jackson Estate sued HBO shortly before Leaving Neverland premiered on March 3. The plaintiff alleges that the film constitutes a breach of a non-disparagement clause in a 27-year-old agreement, one that provided the pay network with rights to air a televised concert following the release of Jackson&#8217;s album, Dangerous. But the Michael Jackson Estate doesn&#8217;t actually wish to litigate in open court. Instead, Jackson&#8217;s heirs invoked an arbitration clause in that old deal and aimed to get a Los Angeles Superior Court judge to compel a showdown before the American Arbitration Association..

In response, HBO had the case removed from state to federal court in California. Characterizing the Michael Jackson Estate&#8217;s whole legal endeavor as a &#8220;transparent effort to bolster their publicity campaign against the documentary&#8221; by skirting legal precedent against posthumous defamation claims, HBO denied there was any enforceable agreement that hadn&#8217;t expired and actually covered Leaving Neverland. The AT&T subsidiary further argued that any over-reading of the 1992 contract would violate both its due process rights as well as the First Amendment.

From there, the parties fought a battle inside the larger legal war to resolve the question of where the dispute would be adjudicated. While the issue of forum may seem like a boring procedural issue, it has the potential of determining the entire case because if the arbitration provision is inoperable, so too likely are the confidentiality and non-disparagement clauses that provide the basis for claims by the Michael Jackson Estate.

HBO argued that under the Federal Arbitration Act, the federal judge had to decide the &#8220;gateway issues of validity and arbitrability.&#8221; Such analysis would turn, according to the network&#8217;s lawyers, on whether HBO clearly and unmistakably manifested an intent back in 1992 to have an arbitrator determine jurisdiction. HBO also brought up old rules (since amended) by the AAA with respect to the invocation of jurisdiction.

The Michael Jackson Estate framed such arguments as &#8220;classic tautology,&#8221; opining in a court brief that &#8220;it assumes the very conclusion that HBO wants an adjudicator to reach in this dispute, i.e., that there are no remaining obligations under the Agreement.&#8221;

U.S. District Court Judge George H. Wu doesn&#8217;t see clear and unmistakable evidence regarding arbitration. He&#8217;s both denied motions to remand the case back to state court as well as compel arbitration.

That represents an initial win for HBO.

That said, the judge is directing the parties to deliver supplemental briefing on the issue of arbitration. The next couple of months will have the two sides exploring the meaning of that 1992 deal. Wu then will come to a new decision about the prospect of arbitration. If HBO wins, it likely won&#8217;t have to even get into the issue of whether Leaving Neverland damaged Michael Jackson.

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I still think HBO will just go ahead and give a settlement to get this over. HBO is still not in the clear.
 
Lightbringer;4258979 said:
HBO WINS FIRST ROUND IN MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE&#8217;S &#8216;LEAVING NEVERLAND&#8217; LAWSUIT



SOURCE: Hollywood Reporter


Dont worry Its early days and early reporting . Its all if ...if ...if, It is all assumption. i am 100 per cent confident in the estate. I am very confident in McClain! and i adore Branca.
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