Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

As I said before, I started to occupy myself not so much anymore with LN in the last weeks so that I only watch very less videos on YouTube to it now and reconize some actual uploads much later (and more good ones will not reconized by me) , so that my posts about LN uploads in this thread will now have much "older" uploads included then before.

Here are again some I found today:

"The Leaving Neverland Raids - Nothin' Nothin' Nothin'" from "The Michael Jackson Innocent Project"
Actually 14.759


Podcast Episode from "The Michael Jackson Innocent Project" from May 20th 2019
Actually 2920 views


"John Ziegler ? Ask John Anything ? ? THE WORLD ACCORDING TO ZIG (podcast)" from the 3T Fanchannel
Actally 1.492 views


The last really amazing video is not a really LN related video but it needs to be shared somewhere:

100 Episodes Anniversary from "The MJCast": " Brad Buxer Special"
Actually 3.925 views


(It was a great expirinces after LN to realize during listing to this podcast episode that there was one more true and good friend of Michael between all the sharks, backstabbers and greedy people around him I didn't know til this day!)

He maybe was on the one hand Of his real friends Michael mention in the private home movies?
 
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It really shouldn't even surprise me anymore, but it turns out the media lied again. Mariah Carey didn't pull Mike's song because she doesn't support it.

Media: "Mariah Carey removes "I'll Be There" from her tour setlist because she doesn't support Jackson".

Reality of Mariah Carey's tour:

Mariah Carey DJ plays MJ to open up her show in Dublin, Ireland. She has done this on her tour so far ? https://t.co/jbXgW6CI8D
 
You can edit my post if you like but since I’m on my mobile - there wasn’t an embed option. But this is what the tweet said so it’s safe to click on.


EXCLUSIVE: Bill Duke: I Know People Very Close to Michael Jackson, They Deny Allegations (@realbillduke)

https://youtu.be/AMUzgUsbg24
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">First day in the editing room. There is a lot of work ahead, but can’t be more exciting.<br><br>Primer día en la sala de edición. Queda mucho trabajo por delante, pero no puede ser mas apasionante.<br><br>2020. <a href="https://t.co/QLV42h4OqM">pic.twitter.com/QLV42h4OqM</a></p>&mdash; Marcos Cabotá (@MarcosCabota) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarcosCabota/status/1131552899488731136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So I’m at the courthouse where the estate is fighting against HBO for the mockumentary, but I don’t see any fans. &#128548;</p>&mdash; Captain EHoe (@seducingsigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/seducingsigh/status/1131582101130600449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My little one walking down the street carrying one of the bags; “I’m going to hold it this way so everyone knows MJ is innocent” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> &#128512;&#10084;&#65039; <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://t.co/QRomR0XMb9">pic.twitter.com/QRomR0XMb9</a></p>&mdash; angie huff (@huff_angie) <a href="https://twitter.com/huff_angie/status/1131602087152947200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/karmousaG?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@karmousaG</a> who was inside the courtroom today for MJ Estate v. HBO. Judge will make a decision tomorrow. One more day, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>. Breathe.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1131614506998624256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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MJPoetryFan;4258657 said:
You can edit my post if you like but since I’m on my mobile - there wasn’t an embed option. But this is what the tweet said so it’s safe to click on.


EXCLUSIVE: Bill Duke: I Know People Very Close to Michael Jackson, They Deny Allegations (@realbillduke)

https://youtu.be/AMUzgUsbg24

That's always good, but not sure who Bill Duke is?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/karmousaG?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@karmousaG</a> who was inside the courtroom today for MJ Estate v. HBO. Judge will make a decision tomorrow. One more day, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>. Breathe.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1131614506998624256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Tomorrow already? Holy shit I didn't expect that. Isn't that incredibly soon? Decide on what exactly?
 
Decide on whether there is a case or not.

Yeah I keep reading about whether arbitration should go forward or not. That's what that means? Didn't HBO claim that the contract duration had expired? I recall something like that, if that's true... hopefully this won't mean bad news.

If the judge agrees with HBO on that, could that mean nothing will happen, no matter how obvious it is what LN is, a attempt to destroy a dead person with nothing but provable lies?
 
Yeah I keep reading about whether arbitration should go forward or not. That's what that means? Didn't HBO claim that the contract duration had expired? I recall something like that, if that's true... hopefully this won't mean bad news.

Tbh I'm not aware of what has been going on and I'm just going by what some others have said. It could be wrong!
 
Some of these haters, haha. So one of them tries to be smart I guess and posts a picture of what the prosecution in 2005 claimed about underwear of someone other than MJ found, semen, cocaïne etc. And this hater was arguing how this was proof of MJ being gay and sleeping with kids.

Of course he didn't post the other side at all, the defense. If these people really read up on it all they would find out how wrong they are. I'm talking about this

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2...ne-in-michaels-home-it-was-a-set-up/#comments
 
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Some of these haters, haha. So one of them tries to be smart I guess and posts a picture of what the prosecution in 2005 claimed about underwear of someone other than MJ found, semen, cocaïne etc. And this hater was arguing how this was proof of MJ being gay and sleeping with kids.

Of course he didn't post the other side at all, the defense. If these people really read up on it all they would find out how wrong they are. I'm talking about this

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2...ne-in-michaels-home-it-was-a-set-up/#comments
haters have to lie to make themselves feel good because they want MJ to be guilty so bad but they make themselves look stupid. If something like that was found as the way they went after MJ, that would have locked MJ up but that was a LIE. That comment by that hater sound so stupid of someone being gay/sleeping with kids. Stupid. I think a lot of these haters are revealing stuff about themselves while hiding and trash MJ behind a computer.
 
Not entirely sure what is going on here. I'm off to bed so will have to follow it up tomorrow!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF Is this shit? Most bizare thing with Dan Reed and Wade Robson. All MJ fans please watch. Seriously just WTF? <a href="https://t.co/oKkDAwCsWo">https://t.co/oKkDAwCsWo</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJINNOCENT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJINNOCENT</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJfam</a></p>&mdash; shanny101 (@shlharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/shlharris/status/1131652920691367939?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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WannaScream;4258700 said:
Not entirely sure what is going on here. I'm off to bed so will have to follow it up tomorrow!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WTF Is this shit? Most bizare thing with Dan Reed and Wade Robson. All MJ fans please watch. Seriously just WTF? <a href="https://t.co/oKkDAwCsWo">https://t.co/oKkDAwCsWo</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJINNOCENT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJINNOCENT</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJfam</a></p>&mdash; shanny101 (@shlharris) <a href="https://twitter.com/shlharris/status/1131652920691367939?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Doesn't prove anything but it's interesting somebody behind the scenes says this about wade.
 
Not entirely sure what is going on here. I'm off to bed so will have to follow it up tomorrow!

It's such a shame the video doesn't show anything. If they were on tape admitting they were lying it would do wonders for us.
 
It's such a shame the video doesn't show anything. If they were on tape admitting they were lying it would do wonders for us.



So all we have is footage which is supposed to prove this guy was once in a room with WR and DR (it doesn't actually prove that because you can't see him in shot), and his recollection of something WR once told him.

I'm not even sure when this guy claims the conversation took place. Reading his words, he's not clear WHEN Wade denied anything happened. If that conversation took place pre 2012 then it's meaningless. If it is claimed it took place after 2012 then it's more useful because it IS a contradiction of Wade's version of events, BUT it's still not evidence at all.

The whole situation is frustrating.

A recording of Wade would be fire, and I GUARANTEE the world's media WOULD cover that(!) but I doubt he was stupid enough to admit nothing happened in any conversation after he "realised" he was "abused" in 2012. Even if it happened there's even less chance that somebody recorded that conversation. If it was recorded somebody would have sold it to the press by now!
 
It's a shame there is nothing really useful after all. When I saw the excited tweet I assumed they must have been on to something but I was too tired to check it out. I wonder if the guy will come forward and say any more.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is us, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>. We are one, united for justice for Michael Jackson. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/oEIuQWJBIP">https://t.co/oEIuQWJBIP</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1131945591238303744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'll be online today looking for anything available. If someone else finds the ruling, please tag me so I can RT. Still praying the judge rules that arbitration should occur. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Justice4MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Justice4MJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/Urbf5TNKq9">https://t.co/Urbf5TNKq9</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1131940185292267520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I got this anniversary magazine tonight at Pavillions store in Newport Beach. Associate Sandra said &quot;... beautiful, he was such a Genius.&quot; LOVE prevails &#10084;&#10084;&#10084; USA celebrates &#128081;&#9996;&#128536; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJTruthSquad?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJTruthSquad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJJusticePrjct</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJLegion?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJLegion</a> <a href="https://t.co/20HUCh4mfH">pic.twitter.com/20HUCh4mfH</a></p>&mdash; Mariah JB Vovk (@MariahVovk) <a href="https://twitter.com/MariahVovk/status/1131758630401761281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here we have <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <br>READ &amp; SHARE!!!!<br><br>Answer from Kevin Lipsey <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> <br>(I recommended him to talk to you &#128521;) <br><br>Special thank you to <a href="https://twitter.com/shlharris?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@shlharris</a><br>&#10084;&#128591; <a href="https://t.co/A7OXrS0ej8">pic.twitter.com/A7OXrS0ej8</a></p>&mdash; Arnela de Noir &#127757; (@_deNoir) <a href="https://twitter.com/_deNoir/status/1131980500653027328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Twitter is all about the eye witness guy now. I truly pray something big comes out of this. It's so frustrating to see these actual criminals getting away with it. Going after HBO is all fine and dandy, sure, but these two or actually three criminals need to get into big trouble.
 
Not sure where I was supposed to post this so move it if you feel it's in the wrong thread. I don't personally believe in this kind of stuff but I find it so peaceful to listen to her talking about MJ. I am just enjoying listening to Michael being talked about, beautifully.

If you're interested, have a listen to her. She's done 4 or 5 other episodes on her account on MJ btw.

 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Love you <a href="https://twitter.com/jackblack?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jackblack</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://t.co/8EkTcHeYh3">pic.twitter.com/8EkTcHeYh3</a></p>&mdash; Darren James (@Child_Of_The90s) <a href="https://twitter.com/Child_Of_The90s/status/1132200660043214848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">25. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="ro" dir="ltr">FUKUOKA!! <a href="https://twitter.com/Buddyz_co_ltd?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Buddyz_co_ltd</a> HAKATA Marui 1f Michael Jackson Official Pop up store! Until June 4. <a href="https://t.co/bGx1uImr3j">pic.twitter.com/bGx1uImr3j</a></p>&mdash; &#35199;&#23546;&#37111;&#22826; NONA REEVES (@Gota_NonaReeves) <a href="https://twitter.com/Gota_NonaReeves/status/1131879450520432640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It Ain't Too Much for Me -- <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> Ain't Muted in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Brazil?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Brazil</a> <a href="https://t.co/qnWtMr8BYB">https://t.co/qnWtMr8BYB</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1132056328690589696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">24. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Taryll Jackson talks about LN and beautiful memories in the newest episode of the MJ Cast.

He starts talking about LN at around 0:42:00. But the whole episode is really interesting.

 
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Not sure where I was supposed to post this so move it if you feel it's in the wrong thread. I don't personally believe in this kind of stuff but I find it so peaceful to listen to her talking about MJ. I am just enjoying listening to Michael being talked about, beautifully.

If you're interested, have a listen to her. She's done 4 or 5 other episodes on her account on MJ btw.


Her series on Michael has been lovely and very therapeutic.
 
What I find the most disturbing is that platforms like Rotten Tomatoes (LN has 98 % there), metacritic (85 %) and imdb (7.1 / 10) are really what uneducated people, especially the younger generations primarily use to form their rushed opinion if they don't have the time and interest to educate themselves. So whatever is being said there, they'll consume the superficiaility from there.

Metacritic eg only had 20 "critics" reviews BEFORE it was even aired, only one has since popped up later and simply took the average as their rating.
And now all the user ratings have disappeared which showed a much lower score. Now LN is being ranked as a "top" TV show from this year, LMAO!


People need to learn how important proper research is and not this new way of presenting a theme like child sex crimes in a semi-professional way that catches' people's attention but then draws them away from the simple fact that this theme is then simply attached to a person who has been the victim of people's badmouthing and the presentation does nothing but to leave it totally to its audience to automatically make the wrong assumption that they've seen the truth - which has totally not been the case.


Dan Reed, Wade Robson and James Safechuck plus the other frauds should no longer get away with their false narratives. A crime to social coexistence when they're exploiting humans' credulousness to get false sympathies.
 
The fact that it's rated so highly on those sites is disgusting. **** those sites.
 
What I find the most disturbing is that platforms like Rotten Tomatoes (LN has 98 % there), metacritic (85 %) and imdb (7.1 / 10) are really what uneducated people, especially the younger generations primarily use to form their rushed opinion if they don't have the time and interest to educate themselves. So whatever is being said there, they'll consume the superficiaility from there.

Metacritic eg only had 20 "critics" reviews BEFORE it was even aired, only one has since popped up later and simply took the average as their rating.
And now all the user ratings have disappeared which showed a much lower score. Now LN is being ranked as a "top" TV show from this year, LMAO!


People need to learn how important proper research is and not this new way of presenting a theme like child sex crimes in a semi-professional way that catches' people's attention but then draws them away from the simple fact that this theme is then simply attached to a person who has been the victim of people's badmouthing and the presentation does nothing but to leave it totally to its audience to automatically make the wrong assumption that they've seen the truth - which has totally not been the case.


Dan Reed, Wade Robson and James Safechuck plus the other frauds should no longer get away with their false narratives. A crime to social coexistence when they're exploiting humans' credulousness to get false sympathies.
That only show those sites listen to liars and trash. They have no creditability. That all that will prove by rating that trash. it makes those sites look bad and the more dirt that keeps coming out, the worst they will look over all. If big old Oprah can be taken down and have to do PR now to try to gain her creditibity back, who cares about rotten tomotoes which I always thought was a joke and I never heard of the others.
 
The court will be closed until Tues. I would not hold your breath through the next two days. Sorry

Staff isnt even in the building or responding to requests anymore. 🤨
 
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