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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

MJTruth said:
It's on YouTube. It's not rare.
Nothing on the internet is rare.
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Sorry i only copyed the title without using ".... and some of the footage I didn't know already.
I think the video is an good edited video to share.
I know why the uploader used the word rare.
She wants to draw attention to the video that people wants to watch it.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Youtube (VEVO) today views:<br><br>Michael Jackson +3,219,049 &#55357;&#56846;<br><br>Taylor Swift +3,151,164<br>Bruno Mars +3,124,621<br>Rihanna +3,060,197<br>Beyonce +2,798,601<br>Prince +243,635 &#55357;&#56869; <a href="https://t.co/N6wRzDpxFL">pic.twitter.com/N6wRzDpxFL</a></p>&mdash; The Best of Internet (@TheBestofMJJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBestofMJJ/status/1117997034949181440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, it's finally out there...! Proud &amp; honoured to provide this clip of a spontaneous dance to the brilliant folks at the Michael Jackson Estate &amp; the MJ Online Team for their <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInspires?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJIn spires</a> campaign!<br><br>That was a great night... Thank God someone actually recorded the best bit! <a href="https://t.co/wFPAs990OS">https://t.co/wFPAs990OS</a></p>&mdash; Sam Geden (@KaisaJesta) <a href="https://twitter.com/KaisaJesta/status/1118191872747429888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8220;Are you still going to listen to Michael Jackson?&#8221;<br><br>Me taking it back to the 70&#8217;s to boogie:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJIn nocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/jQRA49g0oV">pic.twitter.com/jQRA49g0oV</a></p>&mdash; Meshell Deal (@MeshellDeal) <a href="https://twitter.com/MeshellDeal/status/1117917565571850240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/jermainedupri?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jermainedupri</a> posted this in support of Michael Jackson on Instagram.<a href="https://twitter.com/SnoopDogg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SnoopDogg</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/AustinBrown?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AustinBrown</a> (Michael&#8217;s nephew) and <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanmichaelcox?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bryanmichael cox</a> commented with their support! <a href="https://t.co/T3lnp4NYrG">https://t.co/T3lnp4NYrG</a> <a href="https://t.co/WAqon41Up8">pic.twitter.com/WAqon41Up8</a></p>&mdash; MJJLegion &#9813; (@MJJLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJLegion/status/1117965310026485761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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I checked Macy's Canada for Michael Jackson T-shirts like U.S. have, but I found none at all.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I looked into Macy's Canada and I haven't found any single <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># MichaelJackson</a> t-shirts at all. I'm very bitter about that the US has the t-shirts and Canada doesn't. Not! Very! Happy!</p>&mdash; Jordan Tremblay (PoP) (@PrinceofPop8) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrinceofPop8/status/1118212697722707970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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But I got contacted by Macy's so I DM them, telling that I'm hoping Macy's Canada will sell those t-shirts available A.S.A.P. I mean it's isn't fair to us Canadian fans, I've been looking into Wal-Mart and Wicked in Timmins for years for MJ shirts and they still never sell those and still disappointing me.
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PoP;4255238 said:
I checked Macy's Canada for Michael Jackson T-shirts like U.S. have, but I found none at all.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I looked into Macy's Canada and I haven't found any single <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mich aelJackson</a> t-shirts at all. I'm very bitter about that the US has the t-shirts and Canada doesn't. Not! Very! Happy!</p>&#8212; Jordan Tremblay (PoP) (@PrinceofPop8) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrinceofPop8/status/1118212697722707970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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But I got contacted by Macy's so I DM them, telling that I'm hoping Macy's Canada will sell those t-shirts available A.S.A.P. I mean it's isn't fair to us Canadian fans, I've been looking into Wal-Mart and Wicked in Timmins for years for MJ shirts and they still never sell those and still disappointing me.
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For whatever this is worth, I got this hoodie at the Macy's near me today: https://www.macys.com/shop/product/...searchPass=allMultiMatchWithSpelling&slotId=8

It was on the clearance rack, though. I'm not sure if that's just because it's a hoodie and now the weather is (finally!) getting warmer, or if this means that they're getting rid of the MJ merchandise. This tweet seems like a good sign, though.
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For whatever this is worth, I got this hoodie at the Macy's near me today: https://www.macys.com/shop/product/...searchPass=allMultiMatchWithSpelling&slotId=8

It was on the clearance rack, though. I'm not sure if that's just because it's a hoodie and now the weather is (finally!) getting warmer, or if this means that they're getting rid of the MJ merchandise. This tweet seems like a good sign, though.
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No, it was just on sale as Macy do with sale item. Now the products are back at regular price.
 
Well I DM to Macy's and the international shipping is up so I can't get the t-shirts and not even ready to have them sold to Canada just yet. So they just disappoint me like Wal-Mart and Wicked. Not happy at all. It isn't fair at all.
 
Seems like a new article and they say it's about the estate hitting back. It's about Branca, seems new.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8170cc9de4e8

BOSTON — The co-executor of Michael Jackson’s estate said Tuesday that he’s confident the late superstar’s supporters will be able to protect his legacy in the wake of an HBO documentary featuring the disturbing stories of two men who say Jackson sexually abused them as boys.

Longtime entertainment attorney John Branca called the documentary a one-sided “made-for-TV-movie” and accused the film’s subjects of being motivated by money. Branca acknowledged that Jackson’s estate has faced “challenges” since the documentary’s release, but said he doesn’t believe there will be a long-term impact.

“People love Michael. They love Michael’s music for sure. And if the investigation is effective, which I think it will be, in showing that there is severe doubt about what may or may not have happened, we will be back to people feeling ‘It’s OK to say I like Michael,’” Branca said on a panel hosted by the Harvard Institute of Politics.


It’s the latest attack by Jackson’s estate against “Leaving Neverland,” featuring Wade Robson and James Safechuck. The estate has slammed filmmakers for not interviewing any of Jackson’s family members or other defenders, who insist the singer never molested a child.

The film’s director, Dan Reed, has repeatedly defended the film. Robson and Safechucks’s accusations are not new, but have put Jackson’s legacy under fresh scrutiny amid the #MeToo movement.

A lawyer for the men said Tuesday that Branca and lawyers for Jackson’s estate are seeking to discredit the singer’s accusers out of their own financial interest.

“Their recent comments are just part and parcel of the same thing they’ve been doing for years, which is protect the estate so they can continue to profit off of it,” attorney Vince Finaldi said.


The men first came forward with their stories years earlier in lawsuits. Both of them had previously denied the singer sexually abused them, but said having their own children and Jackson’s 2009 death forced them to face the truth. Their lawsuits were dismissed for technical reasons and their appeals are expected to be argued this summer.

Jackson, who was cleared in 2005 of charges that he molested another boy, acknowledged that he befriended numerous children, including some he invited into his bed, but denied molesting any.
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MJTruth;4255194 said:
I always found wiki impossible to correct over the long term, so I gave up years ago.

Often any accurate changes submitted to the page will be either rejected completely or quickly over written by counter changes approved by a consensus of clueless individuals citing nonsense tabloid reports.

Since Wiki first opened its pages it has been of limited educational value. It's slightly better these days but with controversial people like MJ it's hit and miss.
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It's even worse now thanks to LN. Someone made a thread on here even talking about how biased it's gotten now:
https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/142796-Wikipedia-Bias-(NOT-a-Canvassing-Attempt)

PoP;4255238 said:
I checked Macy's Canada for Michael Jackson T-shirts like U.S. have, but I found none at all.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I looked into Macy's Canada and I haven't found any single <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mich aelJackson</a> t-shirts at all. I'm very bitter about that the US has the t-shirts and Canada doesn't. Not! Very! Happy!</p>&#8212; Jordan Tremblay (PoP) (@PrinceofPop8) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrinceofPop8/status/1118212697722707970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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But I got contacted by Macy's so I DM them, telling that I'm hoping Macy's Canada will sell those t-shirts available A.S.A.P. I mean it's isn't fair to us Canadian fans, I've been looking into Wal-Mart and Wicked in Timmins for years for MJ shirts and they still never sell those and still disappointing me.
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I hope you get those shirts up there soon. They seem to be popular... the one I was looking at sold out in Small before I could get it. >.<

Speaking of Macy's shirts, there's two others I found by browsing that don't appear when you search "michael jackson" on their site. I think the "-" in the name is what stops it from popping up:

https://www.macys.com/shop/product/... vintage&searchPass=exactMultiMatch&slotId=19
https://www.macys.com/shop/product/... vintage&searchPass=exactMultiMatch&slotId=23

Be warned, they run pretty big. I actually returned the "King of Pop" one because it was too big on me, and it was a medium!

terrell;4255246 said:
No, it was just on sale as Macy do with sale item. Now the products are back at regular price.
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Some of the shirts still have discount prices from sales (see the ones I linked above) but the hoodie does not. At least not on my end.
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This video is interesting because his opinion that MJ's estate should sue Oprah came days before this news that the Estate might consider suing Reed. His theory that Oprah removing all traces of her promoting this farce on her SM accounts now makes me wonder if that is infact the reason? She's afraid of being included in any lawsuit regarding this documentary? This video is a good listen, I think and he brings up good points.


 
Sorry, I'm new to this forum and I don't know how I can view what I was thanked for on this forum. How do I read it for my own profile?

Oh and another question, how do you embed a twitter comment where you see it all instead of clicking on it?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shooting an interview today for the forthcoming documentary &#8220;Mirroring Michael Jackson&#8221;, focusing only on MJ&#8217;s music, philanthropy, and impact on my career. <a href="https://t.co/TxaHP9TP8p">https://t.co/TxaHP9TP8p</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KingOfPop?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KingO fPop</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mj?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mj</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJJCommunity?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ JCommunity</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/moonwalkers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#moo nwalkers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJKingOfPop?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJK ingOfPop</a> <a href="https://t.co/sqH7149kA5">pic.twitter.com/sqH7149kA5</a></p>&mdash; SIEDAH GARRETT (@SIEDAHGARRETT) <a href="https://twitter.com/SIEDAHGARRETT/status/1118334043525795840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is a bit off topic, since it has nothing to do specifically about LN. This article I just happened to stumble across is a couple years old, but nonetheless I do find it relevant when it comes to defending Michael because it gives an explanation why people still stick to their beliefs even when you show them the facts. Maybe it even explains why people are so ready to crucify you if you go against the Me Too movement. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...SYp-Kff-2pGdYmTCjq10WR2z9le8eVIsyeWe6gH-4vBao
 
So here's something really interesting: tonight I searched Michael Jackson on Amazon just to see what results came up and in what order. Remember how there was supposed to be a DVD release of LN? Now it's nowhere to be found! (Or at least it didn't come up in the first 5 or so pages of results.) It's only available to stream, which would make it very convenient for sneaky edits to quietly be made as more and more info comes out. Muy interesante indeed.
 
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So here's something really interesting: tonight I searched Michael Jackson on Amazon just to see what results came up and in what order. Remember how there was supposed to be a DVD release of LN? Now it's nowhere to be found! (Or at least it didn't come up in the first 5 or so pages of results.) It's only available to stream, which would make it very convenient for sneaky edits to quietly be made as more and more info comes out. Muy interesante indeed.
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It is canceled for the moment. Reed maybe wanted to clear their page from negative reviews before he released the DVD on a new clear page.
Or it has to do with the estate suing and Brett Barnes suing HBO.

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That Michael never traveled with Wade and Robsons exept from ONE trip to Las Vegas says also a little bit about his not so close relationship them.

He also traveled not much with with James and his family besides the bad tour which was also for buisness reasons because James performed with him on the bad tour..
There is ONLY this Hawaii Trip mention in feburary 1988 not more.

When you read the testimony from Brett Barnes Mother ( which comes in document from Lightbringer after Joy and Chantals testimony), you know he traveled A LOT and constantly with Brett and his family.

When you read June Chanlers Testimony, you know he traveled A LOT in this only a half year timeperiod they knew each other with June, Jodan and his sister.)

We know Michael traveled also with Mac!

So its understandable that Wade and James were jelous of Brett, Mac maybe Jordan.

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I thought about if it would be a good idea to search for footage in front of MJs hotels were he should have spend the night together with the safechucks and James on the Bad Tour to see if MJ really enter and leave the hotel with James and them.

We know that staff members on the badtour don't slept in the same hotel with michael.

Here for example from MJs arriving in paris is no James:


Here is MJ visiting a museum in Rome absolutly ALONE and lonley wihout his "special friend" James

 
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Is this James with such long hairs?


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I have the impression that MJ also performed on the Bad tour with a boy, (who you can see here) on stage with longer brown hairs which looked simular to james. Maybe they have sometimes used his footage or pictures of him in LN.

James had not soo long hair on the bad tour what you can see in this photo collection, from I pointed out weeks ago hey have used pictures from it in LN.

 
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Nice to see Brett Barnes responding by him self to those who call him a Liar.
 
This thread moves so fast it's hard to keep up with so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned. But it seems as though BBC Radio 2 are playing him again. I know they played Got To Be There on Pick of the Pops a few weeks ago but supposedly there had been complaints following it. It seems as though they remain undeterred despite the complaints as his music as an adult has been played since that.

Was there any update on the Starbucks situation? I read something on Twitter about a fan speaking to someone high up at Starbucks who denied the muting?
 
Reed had definitly (again!) used (/stolen?) much Original footage for LN from this Japanish documentary.

Reed has also mixed the footage from 1987 (when James was nowhere near Michael) and 1988 like this documentery also did this cause the documentary covered Michels time in Japan from both Bad tour Legs.


I guess that Reed again didn't ask the footage owners for any permisson or payed them.

Japan was/is always a country with a special adoration for Michel.
When the original footage owners find out that Reed had used their footage in a documentary against Michal they maybe get very angry!

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I know that many fans thought Michael or the estate were the owner of the Japan Footage which was used in LN.
Now you know who were the owner of this footage!

It was definitly not rare private footage from James or the Safechucks like Reed want to make the viewer belive.
 
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Just me enjoying the sun and showing off this cool ass shirt. Nothing special
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When you watch this video.
You will also notice something interesting:

MJ and James are wearing the same clothings in the car and in the plane.
This means the footage in the plane is not from the Hawaii Trip were MJ and James should have recorded this edited interview like Reed want us to make belive.
It is from the Bad tour!
 
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