Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I don't understand what does that mean. Why he is losing on one and gaining significantly on the other? How does this work?

The Vevo channels for artists that now have an official artist channel are having the subs migrated to the official artist channel. That's why the Vevo channels are losing subs instead of gaining, like the official channels.
 
The Vevo channels for artists that now have an official artist channel are having the subs migrated to the official artist channel. That's why the Vevo channels are losing subs instead of gaining, like the official channels.

So that means the "loses" to Vevo channels are not really loses nor are the gains really gains? What u say makes sense. I guess some of the loses are indeed people unsubscribing but I did notice that the unsubscribing trend has started in early 2018 it's not new.
 
So that means the "loses" to Vevo channels are not really loses nor are the gains really gains? What u say makes sense. I guess some of the loses are indeed people unsubscribing but I did notice that the unsubscribing trend has started in early 2018 it's not new.
Yeah, they started this in 2018 - https://variety.com/2018/digital/ne...ls-consolidation-official-artists-1202674125/
The gains on the official channels are still gains. The sub loss on the Vevo is significantly less than the gains on the official channels.
 
I try to find out when the speed demon video segment from moonwalker was shoot.
But this semes to be difficult.

Can someone help me?

The movie was relesed october 29 1988.
MJ was touring in euruope til the end of september 1988

This is not much time left for james to shoot pictures with Michael in the caravan in his abuse timeline.

The storyboards for filming are dated 14th April 1988, so filming must have started after that (and before release in Oct 88 :) )

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOONWALKER...e-Storyboards-used-by-Cast-Crew-/113717875103

The only 'big' gap between concerts after this date seems to be 7th - 18th May 88. (MJ arrived in Italy on 19th May)
 
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https://pagesix.com/2019/04/17/jackson-kids-quietly-investigating-wade-robson-and-james-safechuck/

Jackson kids quietly investigating Wade Robson and James Safechuck

While the late Michael Jackson’s children continue to explore legal options against his accusers Wade Robson and James Safechuck, Page Six has learned they’re also quietly investigating Robson and Safechuck in advance of filing a lawsuit.

Robson and Safechuck made headlines when they appeared in HBO’s “Leaving Neverland” documentary, which aired earlier this year, to recount alleged sexual abuse by the King of Pop. Now Prince, Paris and Prince Michael Jackson II, aka “Blanket,” are on a mission to find out if the men were paid, in any capacity, for their participation, and to look for any inconsistencies in their accounts of the alleged abuse.

The film’s director, Dan Reed, has previously said they weren’t compensated, several outlets have reported.

According to a source close to the family, the children are said to be preparing a lawsuit for fraud, emotional distress, slander and misrepresentation.


We’re also told that in the potential suit, Prince, 22, Paris, 21, and Blanket, 17, are not looking for money, but want Robson and Safechuck to accept “responsibility” and give an “apology.” Any funds awarded will be given to charity.

Jackson’s three heirs feel the documentary violated their privacy as they are mentioned in it. “All of these things take away their privacy,” said a source.

Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson, "Leaving Neverland" director Dan Reed and accuser James Safechuck
Michael Jackson accuser Wade Robson, “Leaving Neverland” director Dan Reed and accuser James SafechuckTaylor Jewell/Invision/AP
As part of their investigation, the famous siblings are also digging into Robson’s Hawaii-based charity.

Around the time the documentary was released, Robson set up the “Robson Family Fund” through the Hawaii Community Foundation, reports The Blast.

Robson and his wife, Amanda, have been accused of capitalizing on the documentary’s popularity, as it was initially unclear where donations would go. Shortly thereafter, Robson changed the name to the “Robson Child Abuse Healing and Prevention Fund.” The charity’s website says funds are required by law to be distributed to 501(c)3 non-profit organizations.


An insider close to the family tells Page Six Robson’s charity faces possible scrutiny from investigators in Hawaii. Requests for comment from the charity and the office of Hawaii’s attorney general weren’t immediately returned.

A rep for the Jackson siblings told us, “The three children say that all they want is to preserve their father’s musical legacy. They feel that the ‘documentary’ was one-sided and the two men have made numerous claims that aren’t true. As for the allegations, they believe that per their own investigation and other news sources, money raised by the two men and maybe others has not gone to a charity or to promote anything positive. They want formal answers on the ‘charity’ issue of Mr. Robson and his ‘donation’ and more. They certainly haven’t used their new platform and that is the point. The Jacksons use theirs to help others. It’s the principle, but it’s also possibly illegal and they want answers.”

While this looms, the family is preparing a special tribute to Michael Jackson, who died 10 years ago on June 25.
 
The storyboards for filming are dated 14th April 1988, so filming must have started after that (and before release in Oct 88 :) )

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOONWALKER...e-Storyboards-used-by-Cast-Crew-/113717875103

The only 'big' gap between concerts after this date seems to be 7th - 18th May 88. (MJ arrived in Italy on 19th May)

Hm why shoot MJ start filming speed demon in april and not finished the seqment then?!

Is it not very possible that MJ only cut the movie together with his crew in october 1988 and didn't film anything anymore then?

I don't really understand that James should be on them speed demon/moonwalkerset but then don't appear in the kid version from Bad in Moonwalker as his friend.
 
Hey everyone. I just listened to TheMJCast podcast with Charles Thomson and Michael Smallcombe. firstly, if you haven't listened to it - please do, it was GREAT!

I have a hypothetical question on Jordie. It seems of all those who have accused MJ - Jordie gets some sympathy by some fans because it might seem to some he was forced to say something happened. My question is, if Jordie wanted to cleanse his soul one day and confess he lied (was forced to) whatever you believe - legally speaking, what would happen to the money he got from this settlement? Would he have to pay it back?

My second question is - if it's true Jordie actually did lie, could the reason he won't clear this up once and for all because there would be legal ramifications for him? Or would it apply to him at all since he was a kid when he alleged it happened?
 
I also wanted to give a shoutout to the MJ fans because in this podcast, Michael admits it was the fans bringing up the train station timeline up - that made him look deeper. It's scary that it is truly only MJ fans doing all the foot work, even for some of these respected journalists. I'm just so thankful you are all on MJ's side. God, I can't image how much worse this would be for MJ's legacy if diligent MJ fans weren't around.

Thank you, thank you!!! (y):kissed:
 
I don't think that story about MJ's kids quietly investigating or considering in suing the accusers is true. If it is, I don't think they'd win because as Michael Smallcombe said, it's not like these allegations weren't leveled against MJ before in his lifetime. So it would be a hard case to win.

Also, I just don't trust the NY Post either, there is that :lmao:
 
It's scary that it is truly only MJ fans doing all the foot work, even for some of these respected journalists. I'm just so thankful you are all on MJ's side. God, I can't image how much worse this would be for MJ's legacy if diligent MJ fans weren't around.

It IS scary, and it's even more scary when you realize that the reason why it is only MJ fans who fight these lies is because the general public cannot be bothered to do a ten minute research on the subject but can sit through four hours of pure garbage and take it as fact. I can't believe we're that easily manipulated.

On a positive note, I'm very proud of MJ's fans as well and can't thank you guys enough for all you do. You're the absolute best!
 
The sad truth is, with the blue tick brigade in particular - they just want to give off this impression that no one is too big to turn mute and that Hollywood isn't an homogenized group that think alike. Well a) they are :laughing: but they don't want to be called out on being too liberal in their opinion so it's just easier to believe it and say so than to live and die on the sword of your convictions if it counters the majority opinion.
 
NO FEAR BECAUSE OF THE TESTIMONY FROM BRETT BARNES FROM 2005.
I have read this too.
Joy Robson said in 2005 they visited MJs children TWO WEEKS before she testefied THE LAST TIME!
So The Robsons are definitly lying in LN!
 
The sad truth is, with the blue tick brigade in particular - they just want to give off this impression that no one is too big to turn mute and that Hollywood isn't an homogenized group that think alike. Well a) they are :laughing: but they don't want to be called out on being too liberal in their opinion so it's just easier to believe it and say so than to live and die on the sword of your convictions if it counters the majority opinion.

I couldn't agree more, but honestly, I don't think the blue-check mob is our real enemy here, it's the parasitic media, for the simple reason that we hold journalism to an incredibly high standard. People in general don't treat the opinions of Hollywood celebrities as if they were the opinions of an expert, but we certainly do that when they come from a journalist, in part because they disguise their opinions as unquestionable facts and they've become really proficient at that. Unfortunately, money will always compromise journalistic integrity.
 
Hey everyone. I just listened to TheMJCast podcast with Charles Thomson and Michael Smallcombe. firstly, if you haven't listened to it - please do, it was GREAT!

I have a hypothetical question on Jordie. It seems of all those who have accused MJ - Jordie gets some sympathy by some fans because it might seem to some he was forced to say something happened. My question is, if Jordie wanted to cleanse his soul one day and confess he lied (was forced to) whatever you believe - legally speaking, what would happen to the money he got from this settlement? Would he have to pay it back?

My second question is - if it's true Jordie actually did lie, could the reason he won't clear this up once and for all because there would be legal ramifications for him? Or would it apply to him at all since he was a kid when he alleged it happened?

No and no. You think the estate would be intrested in getting the money back if he came out and cleared mj? And no theres no legal ramifacations. Perjury statue of limitations are well passed
 
Hm why shoot MJ start filming speed demon in april and not finished the seqment then?!

Is it not very possible that MJ only cut the movie together with his crew in october 1988 and didn't film anything anymore then?

I don't really understand that James should be on them speed demon/moonwalkerset but then don't appear in the kid version from Bad in Moonwalker as his friend.

Maybe 'Badder' was filmed in the USA in the school summer holidays, when James was in Europe?

Hm why shoot MJ start filming speed demon in april and not finished the seqment then?!

Do you know the end date for filming Speed Demon? (I don't).
Speed demon included a lot of animation, which takes months to shoot. They would have filmed MJ and the dancer (who danced as Spike) first, then added the animation. It would take more than a month to do all that, and then put the whole film together.
 
Maybe 'Badder' was filmed in the USA in the school summer holidays, when James was in Europe?



Do you know the end date for filming Speed Demon? (I don't).
Speed demon included a lot of animation, which takes months to shoot. They would have filmed MJ and the dancer (who danced as Spike) first, then added the animation. It would take more than a month to do all that, and then put the whole film together.

Speed Demon was filmed between November 1987 - January 1988.
 
Speed Demon was filmed between November 1987 - January 1988.

Oh great!!!
This would be outside the abbuse timeline.
Can you show me a poof for that?

When they filmed it in this dates then its logical why the caravan was also on the pepsi commercial set!
The filming happened concourrent to the pepsi commercial!

I did find out many dates with occasions when the pictures with MJ and James were made.

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/...age-which-was-used-in-Leaving-Neverland/page4

Many things were shoot before the abuse timeline.
And the rest turnes out to all shoot when the bad tour took place, and NOT AFTER the Bad tour.

So for things which should have happen after the Bad tour, they simply seames to have any proof!!!

No picture or footage seames to show MJ and James together after the bad tour til the visit on the "Isn't it scary set" what is outside the timeline.
There is the Jam video shoot but I don't think that it really count.
 
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I have a question about the gofundme. Are all who donate anonymous? What I’m asking is, if high profiled fans/friends of MJ’s donated, could their participation be discovered? I ask this because if you can’t discover who donated, why haven’t MJ’s rich friends donate to Taj’s campaign to raise money?

Moreover, if all that donate remain private - then why wouldn’t the estate donate something? They don’t have to cover it all but why not help?
 
Speed Demon was filmed between November 1987 - January 1988.

Is this fake, then? (Story boards dated 14 April 88 - I believe they include the whole Moonwalker story)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOONWALKER...875103?hash=item1a7a1d119f:g:-W4AAOSwrptbCo6J

PS There is a photo at the bottom of this page (see link) where the 'Moonwalker' boys are pictured with MJ on 31 March 1987, so Moonwalker as a whole (the main story in the film) must have started filming much earlier than Nov 87 - this is take 999H

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/michael-jackson/articles/109171/title/moonwalker-movie

Also, MJ was in Australia until 30 Nov 1987. He started his US tour on 23 Feb 88, and I guess he would have had some tour rehearsals etc in between, so that leaves a gap of 1st December 87- late Jan 88.
 
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For anyone who has the "Bad" documentery from spike lee.....

Does it help us in anyway?

(I coudn't see it til today)

There can also be footage in it from James and Michael...

I would love to find out when this fotoshooting with james in the redlshirt took place..

What is really tragic is that important people like Frank Di Leo, Liz and the bodygard Bill Bray are dead.

I am sure they could expose these liars a lot!
 
Here is Making of Speed Demon, during a news report. Not so good quality though:



News reporter mentioned that it is going to take a while to incorporate the clay motions into the final feature film. So it is very unlikely this was shot in fall 1988.
Same reporter met Michael at the set of Black or White:

 
This may be a bit off topic, but since Drake is on of those idiots for muting Michael off, he's giving sports world bad luck lately. He recently attend to Game 4 of Boston Bruins vs Toronto Maple Leafs game night and the Leafs lost to the Bruins 6-4. HA! I knew the Bruins would wake up, but more importantly, karma really bit Drake hard in the @$$ and that's what he get for muting Michael for removing the track "Don't Matter To Me" from his tour.
 
This may be a bit off topic, but since Drake is on of those idiots for muting Michael off, he's giving sports world bad luck lately. He recently attend to Game 4 of Boston Bruins vs Toronto Maple Leafs game night and the Leafs lost to the Bruins 6-4. HA! I knew the Bruins would wake up, but more importantly, karma really bit Drake hard in the @$$ and that's what he get for muting Michael for removing the track "Don't Matter To Me" from his tour.
As a Leafs fan....dont remind me of that game lol the Drake curse is very real.
 
As a Leafs fan....dont remind me of that game lol the Drake curse is very real.

Then how come you didn't post on the hockey thread? But, that doesn't matter, since you say you're a Leafs fan, I have too much class anyways. I respect the Leafs and fans, unlike the Habs. Like I said that's Drake gets for muting Michael, karma bit him in the @$$ hard and he's a curse to sports world he attended.
 
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why havent i read a single time the name julia robberts here in this forum? what does she say to all the ln circus? she seems to be very close to all the devils.
 
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