Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Paris78]

by a german radio station:

"You still want to hear Michael Jackson"

"After the controversial documentary" Leaving Neverland "we wanted to know from you, if you want to continue listening to Michael Jackson in our program and the result is very clear!
You have decided: Michael Jackson will continue to run with us.

After the serious allegations against the King Of Pop in the documentary "Leaving Neverland", we wanted to hear from you, our listeners, if you would like to hear his hits in our program. The result of the non-representative WhatsApp survey is clear: 86 percent have voted to continue his hits weiter.Bundesweitere survey started

The market research platform Appinio asked on our behalf an additional 300 hamburgers representatively: "Should the music of Michael Jackson continue to be played on the radio?" Again, there is a clear majority (81.6 percent) who are in favor of the whereabouts of his music on the radio pronounce. Appinio surveyed 800 German citizens representatively throughout Germany. 83.5 percent of the respondents even spoke out in favor of this, 16.5 percent opposed it. HAMBURG TWO Program Manager Markus Steen: "It was important to us to put the answer to this sensitive question in the hands of our listeners, not to mention I did not expect the result to be so clear. "
Morning-Show host & "Mister Music" Fabian Kühne adds: "Michael Jackson is one of the most important artists we have in the program and it would have opened a big gap if his hits were suddenly missing.I am very pleased!"

https://www.hamburg-zwei.de/Musik/M...33VAqI5HAVtA_7z2BhqApIsrLwRLvFZKBhY2ZEN08WJrg

 

[terrell]

by a german radio station:

"You still want to hear Michael Jackson"

"After the controversial documentary" Leaving Neverland "we wanted to know from you, if you want to continue listening to Michael Jackson in our program and the result is very clear!
You have decided: Michael Jackson will continue to run with us.

After the serious allegations against the King Of Pop in the documentary "Leaving Neverland", we wanted to hear from you, our listeners, if you would like to hear his hits in our program. The result of the non-representative WhatsApp survey is clear: 86 percent have voted to continue his hits weiter.Bundesweitere survey started

The market research platform Appinio asked on our behalf an additional 300 hamburgers representatively: "Should the music of Michael Jackson continue to be played on the radio?" Again, there is a clear majority (81.6 percent) who are in favor of the whereabouts of his music on the radio pronounce. Appinio surveyed 800 German citizens representatively throughout Germany. 83.5 percent of the respondents even spoke out in favor of this, 16.5 percent opposed it. HAMBURG TWO Program Manager Markus Steen: "It was important to us to put the answer to this sensitive question in the hands of our listeners, not to mention I did not expect the result to be so clear. "
Morning-Show host & "Mister Music" Fabian Kühne adds: "Michael Jackson is one of the most important artists we have in the program and it would have opened a big gap if his hits were suddenly missing.I am very pleased!"

https://www.hamburg-zwei.de/Musik/M...33VAqI5HAVtA_7z2BhqApIsrLwRLvFZKBhY2ZEN08WJrg

It should not be shocking. Most people are tired of the nonsense but u all give the FEW haters who talk the loudest attention (ONE CRICKET can make u think there is a room full of them). No one is running around trying to mute MJ or even running down this trash (only the media, MJ haters, and TROLLS). Even with this latest mess with the Train station, only confirmed what those who did watch and want facts. LIARS. and what is really going to knock it out the park is when the Court appeal start making news.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My mother, sister and myself were definitely there for dinner that night. <a href="https://t.co/tW4loaWb4f">https://t.co/tW4loaWb4f</a></p>&mdash; Brett Barnes (@IAmBrettBarnes) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmBrettBarnes/status/1117536535291674624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That&#8217;s not fair. He is thinking about his privacy and anonymity. Which LN didn&#8217;t care about at all. Brett has ALWAYS been a warrior for my uncle.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1117518656760496128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> Michael Jackson: A Case for Innocence, produced by filmmaker Larry Nimmer who testified at Michael Jackson's 2005 trial. Updated to include 2019 infornation. <a href="https://t.co/1y73v4BQn1">https://t.co/1y73v4BQn1</a></p>&mdash; CrystalWrites (@jkljoi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jkljoi/status/1117501953934811139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> for inviting me onto his latest podcast, to discuss the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >#LeavingNeverland</a> fall-out and what it tells us about the state of modern journalism:<a href="https://t.co/M5Ew7N3xqM">https://t.co/M5Ew7N3xqM</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1117480202018357248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Mjjswanson]

I hadn’t found this forum yet when I came across this 3 part you tube thing where this comic artist who has worked for him, talking about Michael and what he knew him to be and also talks about a phone conversation he had with a mural friend of his that he shared with Macaulay. Did any of you post that on here already? He told a story that I think proves MJ is innocent and I felt this artist believes it does. Did anyone else watch that? I don’t want to say what that conversation revealed in case it’s too personal and this forum won’t approve it. But it was about Michael and Lisa.

I haven't watched it, do you perhaps have the link please?

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Facts don't lie. People do.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/y6CPAhUHKI">pic.twitter.com/y6CPAhUHKI</a></p>&mdash; LaVelle Smith Jr. (@lavellesmithjr_) <a href="https://twitter.com/lavellesmithjr_/status/1117631779425390592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the April edition of The Double A-Side we explore the making of Michael Jackson's most artistically daring and accomplished work.<a href="https://t.co/U4M4rlIdh7">https://t.co/U4M4rlIdh7</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/michaeljackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># michaeljackson</a></p>&mdash; the_double_a_side_music (@thedoubleaside1) <a href="https://twitter.com/thedoubleaside1/status/1117070772420272128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> Let&#8217;s show LOVE to <a href="https://twitter.com/Macys?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Macys</a> for still carrying <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackso n</a> merchandise. Feeling super exited and proud to purchase my Michael Jackson gear here. Got them ALL! <a href="https://t.co/q5vOhUnl9y">pic.twitter.com/q5vOhUnl9y</a></p>&mdash; HIStory on Replay (@iamjenjaxn) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamjenjaxn/status/1117522812011466752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I know its not much but I took a stand with my independent clothing label as well about MJ. There isnt one company that defends Michael Jackson. Thats not the type of brand I wanna be. I want to do good and keep MJs legacy alive also through my brand/lifework &#10084;&#65039;&#55357;&#56473; <a href="https://t.co/vM39Rpimli">pic.twitter.com/vM39Rpimli</a></p>&mdash; Mamamarina87 (@mamamarina87) <a href="https://twitter.com/mamamarina87/status/1117748279092097024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MJEstate states FACTS - &#8220;They are trained actors who made up their stories years after Jackson died, in order to sue the Estate.. to steal millions &quot;from his rightful heirs &quot; via <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBlastNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheBlastNews</a> <a href="https://t.co/X7tsTmCulY">https://t.co/X7tsTmCulY</a> <a href="https://t.co/88LFQxsyCk">pic.twitter.com/88LFQxsyCk</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1117857823717613570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson Estate Claims HBO is Helping Wade Robson Try and Take Millions from MJ&#8217;s Kids <a href="https://t.co/qBk093nGKn">https://t.co/qBk093nGKn</a></p>&mdash; Melanie321 (@Mellie4Justice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mellie4Justice/status/1117857586018045952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RT Russia will NOT allow the airing of pedophilia propaganda <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >#LeavingNeverland</a> on its Televison ! Thank YOU <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russian?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Russian </a> authorities ! via <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mjvibe</a> <a href="https://t.co/S22m0i8RMA">pic.twitter.com/S22m0i8RMA</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1117819874347065344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Nantucket Cat]

Here's a super interesting video where some guys talk about LN. They don't really take a side either way, but they raise a lot of interesting points, and it could be good to use for discussions with people who think MJ is guilty, but aren't trolls and might be open to listening to the truth.

 

[Anna]

Guys,

Please remember to embed your YouTube videos, rather than just posting the links, if possible. You can use the Insert Video button, it's quick and simple.

Thanks.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

If I can find it again, I will post them.

 

[Mike P.]

Everyday MJ is still everywhere I go. I was at Universal Studios CityWalk in Orlando the other night and heard several of his songs playing, as well as a live band playing Black or White. I haven't seen or heard any muting or cancelling at all. I feel like the media has tried and failed to make LN into a way bigger deal than it is or was ever going to be. If I didn't follow this forum or pay any attention to the media, I wouldn't likely even know anything was going on, and I feel like a lot of people have either ignored LN or don't even know about it at all because it is of no interest to them.

With all that said, of course we should absolutely keep on fighting to prove his innocence and expose all of the lies, but it seems like the media are trying to make it seem like LN has had a far bigger impact on the public than it actually has.

 

[myosotis]

I opened a new thread in the Trails and Tribulation forum where we can try to proove that the first trip from the Robson happend in 1989 when Wade was six years old.

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/...s-first-trip-to-the-U-S?p=4255122#post4255122

I did it there to hide this thread a little bit from "enemys".

I've added some information there.

I think the photos of MJ with F Glorieux have been mistakenly labelled '1989' when they should be 'Jan 1990'.

 

[AmitLal92]

I work in London and I heard Billie Jean being played loudly by a passing rickshaw with a couple in the back in Piccadilly Circus. Not only that but my workplace was also playing MJ’s music in the canteen at lunch time. Yes the doc was bound to have some negative impact but it’s no way as bad as what the media is trying to portray. The music lives on.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I thought Joy Robson did also testify in 2005.
But I can't find her testinony here:
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/TrialTranscripts.html

Did I understand it wrong that she did testify in 2005?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Guys,

Please remember to embed your YouTube videos, rather than just posting the links, if possible. You can use the Insert Video button, it's quick and simple.

Thanks.

I would absolutely do that but on mobile (which is where I am on MJJC pretty much only) I can't find that button or option.

 

[Cinnamon234]

I work in London and I heard Billie Jean being played loudly by a passing rickshaw with a couple in the back in Piccadilly Circus. Not only that but my workplace was also playing MJ’s music in the canteen at lunch time. Yes the doc was bound to have some negative impact but it’s no way as bad as what the media is trying to portray. The music lives on.

Agreed. I heard TDCAU at a bar yesterday right here in NYC. It sounded amazing blaring from the speakers and most people were tapping their feet and seemed into it.

Of course there has been fall out from LN like you said but unfortunately for the media, Reed, Oprah and other haters, MJ has not been canceled to the extent they hoped.

His music lives on indeed.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I sadly find the post anymore where someone posted MJs puplic appearances from each year.

Can someone tell me puplic appearances from MJ in January 1990?
What dif MJ do in this month?

 

[KOPV]

Yeah ... I mean that Michael didn't send the Robsons a copy from his most personal album "HIStory" says much for me and his real relationship to Wade and his family.

Well to be fair, I had to buy the HIStory album in the store too, and I was a much better "friend" to Michael.








I only saw him twice, but I never stabbed him in the back!

 

[terrell]

I work in London and I heard Billie Jean being played loudly by a passing rickshaw with a couple in the back in Piccadilly Circus. Not only that but my workplace was also playing MJ’s music in the canteen at lunch time. Yes the doc was bound to have some negative impact but it’s no way as bad as what the media is trying to portray. The music lives on.

so true. And the ones who are talking noise ALREADY had bias views of MJ.

 

[Anna]

I would absolutely do that but on mobile (which is where I am on MJJC pretty much only) I can't find that button or option.

No worries. It was just a general notice, I wasn't aiming it at anyone specific.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Guys, there's this film available on a movie service app called Michael Jackson : Searching for Neverland.

Normally I check user reviews on IMDB to see if it could be worth my time. Problem is, since LN I can't trust IMDB anymore for that. Is this thing good at all?

 

[Anna]

I sadly find the post anymore where someone posted MJs puplic appearances from each year.

Can someone tell me puplic appearances from MJ in January 1990?
What dif MJ do in this month?

You mean from the visual documentary book? Here you go - http://i67.tinypic.com/2j3io0i.jpg

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

It is difficult to meet Michael in a Recording studio for the Dangerous album in January 1990 when the Recordings for the Dangerous album first begun many months later in June 1990!!

Isn't it?

 

[Amaya]

I thought Joy Robson did also testify in 2005.
But I can't find her testinony here:
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/TrialTranscripts.html

Did I understand it wrong that she did testify in 2005?

She did, and her testimony is right under Robson's and Brett Barnes ("05-06-05 Joy Chantal Lizbeth Karlee").

Guys, there's this film available on a movie service app called Michael Jackson : Searching for Neverland.

Normally I check user reviews on IMDB to see if it could be worth my time. Problem is, since LN I can't trust IMDB anymore for that. Is this thing good at all?

Searching for Neverland was a Lifetime biographical movie based off of Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard's book about their time as Michael's bodyguards. It follows Michael's life from 2006-2009 but through the bodyguards' perspective. Navi plays Michael in the movie and he does an OK job (his accent becomes a bit noticeable at times). It's not a perfect movie but I'd rather watch it than LN or that crappy "Man in the Mirror" biopic.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

She did, and her testimony is right under Robson's and Brett Barnes ("05-06-05 Joy Chantal Lizbeth Karlee").

I have opened the document but is really difficult to find her testimony there cause there are too many testimonys from different witneses in this long document.

Can you tell me the page number where Joy testimony starts?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

She did, and her testimony is right under Robson's and Brett Barnes ("05-06-05 Joy Chantal Lizbeth Karlee").



Searching for Neverland was a Lifetime biographical movie based off of Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard's book about their time as Michael's bodyguards. It follows Michael's life from 2006-2009 but through the bodyguards' perspective. Navi plays Michael in the movie and he does an OK job (his accent becomes a bit noticeable at times). It's not a perfect movie but I'd rather watch it than LN or that crappy "Man in the Mirror" biopic.

Yeah I ended up watching it. It was decent indeed. I do wonder how accurate it is. Especially that part with Randy crashing the gate of MJ's first home in the film. It just seemed...out there, lol. And was that Wonderland stuff really true? That was going to be their next real home?

At the end of the day it's just a film, a biopic, I'm sure there's fiction in there. Like MJ being rather fond of that My Prerogative song. Sure, it's possible he really liked it, but for some reason I kinda doubt it too. And how he totally went crazy at that security camera inside the pool, maybe that did happen, but I couldn't take the over-acting seriously there.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I can't find Joy Robsons testimoni from 2005 ?

Can somone who knows the court documemts help me with a pagenumber or tell me after which testimony Joy Robsons comes?

 

[magic]

I hadn’t found this forum yet when I came across this 3 part you tube thing where this comic artist who has worked for him, talking about Michael and what he knew him to be and also talks about a phone conversation he had with a mural friend of his that he shared with Macaulay. Did any of you post that on here already? He told a story that I think proves MJ is innocent and I felt this artist believes it does. Did anyone else watch that? I don’t want to say what that conversation revealed in case it’s too personal and this forum won’t approve it. But it was about Michael and Lisa.

Can you please sent me the link in pm?

 

[WildStyle]

It is difficult to meet Michael in a Recording studio for the Dangerous album in January 1990 when the Recordings for the Dangerous album first begun many months later in June 1990!!

Isn't it?

He started recording Dangerous (well... Decade at the time) mid 89.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

He started recording Dangerous (well... Decade at the time) mid 89.

Is wikipedia lying?

 

[magic]

I sadly find the post anymore where someone posted MJs puplic appearances from each year.

Can someone tell me puplic appearances from MJ in January 1990?
What dif MJ do in this month?

this thread? https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/142817-Time-line-from-Adrian-Grant-book

 

[Lightbringer]

Is wikipedia lying?

Wikipedia is not bullet proof with facts to say the least.....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is a lot of false info on the Michael Jackson Wiki page that is wrong and proven false. <a href="https://twitter.com/Wikipedia?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Wikipedia</a> what are the steps to correct this? <a href="https://t.co/FyMnDVsZFO">https://t.co/FyMnDVsZFO</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1117851698255450112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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