Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[wendijane]

I didn’t know JT wrote a book and that he addresses the MJ allegations by saying Wade told him MJ never touched him.

hmmmm interesting someone needs to talk to justin about how"reliable" his former boss was :yes:

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Ok I see. Jesus christ if the guy has endured that as well.

This reminds me of some haters on Twitter, bringing up how MJ was definitely a victim and he's just passing it on, he was abused that way, and so he does it to others too.

And that may be true in some cases, but Mike? Oh hell no.

Why are fans speculating on something that has no basis in fact. That’s what haters and tabloids do. How would any of you like someone to speculate about you? I never thought a fan would do that to Michael. What is the purpose of this? It surely is not to support or defend Michael.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

I feel with those videos that were posted on Twitter that claims Oprah removed from her site? regarding past comments she made over the years that were fake stats or whatever but she still used it on her shows - to me just proves to me as a sexual abuse victim herself - that her judgment cannot be trusted. She is too willing to believe anything that sounds so well worded and likes to take it for herself to use as though she came up with it.

Bottom line is, her being a survivor means she is invested in believing so she has a conflict of interest. She needs to see what her weakness is and to defer to others in her organization to do the investigation aspect of these stories she puts on her network. She clearly has shown she cannot be unbiased.

 

[terrell]

You are correct. She never claimed or even hinted that it had to do with any kind of abuse. I think it is disrespectful to imply something that is not based on facts.

I agree.

 

[terrell]

I feel with those videos that were posted on Twitter that claims Oprah removed from her site? regarding past comments she made over the years that were fake stars or whatever but she still used it - just proves to me as a sexual abuse victim herself - that her judgment cannot be trusted. She is too willing to believe anything that sounds so well worded and likes to take it for herself to use as though she came up with it.

Bottom line is, her being a survivor means she is invested in believing so she has a conflict of interest. She needs to see what her weakness is and to defer to others in her organization to do the investigation aspect of these stories she puts on her network. She clearly has shown she cannot be unbiased.

She cherry picks. Nothing about Weinstein in the past. Right now, her creditability is gone and she showed who she was. She never ran and did a show on others who been accused, etc. So to me, it is not about abuse, but who can bring her in ratings. When MJ is talked about, she jumps on it; whereas everyone else, not. did she ever do a story on Jared, former spokepersons for Subway sandwich? No. What about the 3 girls who were held 10 years captive in Ohio which was a big story a while back? No. See my point. She have never did a show on Roman Polanski from my knowledge.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

I hadn’t found this forum yet when I came across this 3 part you tube thing where this comic artist who has worked for him, talking about Michael and what he knew him to be and also talks about a phone conversation he had with a mural friend of his that he shared with Macaulay. Did any of you post that on here already? He told a story that I think proves MJ is innocent and I felt this artist believes it does. Did anyone else watch that? I don’t want to say what that conversation revealed in case it’s too personal and this forum won’t approve it. But it was about Michael and Lisa.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

Who else thought Charles Thomson was an older man? I never realized he wasn’t until I listened to some of the MJ Cast podcasts.

 

[Dudex]

I hadn’t found this forum yet when I came across this 3 part you tube thing where this comic artist who has worked for him, talking about Michael and what he knew him to be and also talks about a phone conversation he had with a mural friend of his that he shared with Macaulay. Did any of you post that on here already? He told a story that I think proves MJ is innocent and I felt this artist believes it does. Did anyone else watch that? I don’t want to say what that conversation revealed in case it’s too personal and this forum won’t approve it. But it was about Michael and Lisa.

i watched that. And that phone conversation actualy proves to me that MJ is innocent. MJ talked about some bed stuff with Lisa like he literally never experienced something like that before. And it has to be around 1994 i think.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

Sell outs on blast. DJVLad baits Nick Cannon to make monster comment:

 

[MJPoetryFan]

Yes, I felt this dude believed MJ was innocent but had to tow the MeToo company line but my feeling was he wanted to present both arguments- but I feel he believes MJ is innocent. Even though I believe the info he was given regarding the 20 other victims being out there - was taken from tabloid information. In the end I thought he brought it full circle again about MJ likely being innocent,

 

[Anna]

We don't know anything about this.
We only specluate in the dark because the Michael Jackson Innocent Project said at the end of their podcast epidode that they wanna talk about how Michael was abused in many ways which will include also child sexual abuse of him in their next episode in a week.

That's just irresponsible and disrespectful. There is zero evidence he was sexually abused. They should stick to what we know, there's plenty there.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

What if Michael Jackson was innocent?

 

[Arckangel]

i doubt aaron will turn i have faith love him ! :heart:

It'd be creepily funny (as in odd) if even more guys in their 30s and 40s claimed to have been molested by MJ. Like you, I love Aaron, and I don't believe he'll turn on him, not after his earlier TMZ interview.

 

[MJPoetryFan]

How do I embed youtube videos on here while on my mobile?

 

[MJPoetryFan]

Okay, I couldn't figure out how to embed video's on my mobile so I had to get on my laptop to try and do this:laughing::laughing: I just found this great video of MJ that was published on April 9, 2019. What a great speech he made and he sounded so good.

Hope it worked and I embedded it properly?

 

[WildStyle]

This thread is becoming hard to read with all of the wild theories and speculative nonsense. Can we come back to reality please?

 

[MJPoetryFan]

Yay, I think I did this right, finally.

 

[terrell]

I just read this. i think this is one we should send comments to even to the writer if we can:

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[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Why are fans speculating on something that has no basis in fact. That’s what haters and tabloids do. How would any of you like someone to speculate about you? I never thought a fan would do that to Michael. What is the purpose of this? It surely is not to support or defend Michael.

Where else should MJFans talk about something like this when not in a place were other MJFans are?!
It is not really possible or a good idea to discuss this or other things like that about Michael actually outside from a fanplace.
But I am trough with this for the moment.
You can chill. 😉

This thread is becoming hard to read with all of the wild theories and speculative nonsense. Can we come back to reality please?

You will NEVER have a place where people don't speculate or share useless informormations.
For me it sounds not absolut impossible that Michael was sexual abused from someone in the industry, becamed "all so quiet" and coudn't make it public in his position as an adult after this huge thiller success when the statue of Iimitation were over and he got this big problems to have sexual relationships.
Why should those sick people in Hollywood not exist in the 70ies?

But I said we should leave this "MJ was maybe sexual abbused" subject alone and wait til the weekend to see what facts the Innocent Project can present us.
I think they have something.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

She cherry picks. Nothing about Weinstein in the past. Right now, her creditability is gone and she showed who she was. She never ran and did a show on others who been accused, etc. So to me, it is not about abuse, but who can bring her in ratings. When MJ is talked about, she jumps on it; whereas everyone else, not. did she ever do a story on Jared, former spokepersons for Subway sandwich? No. What about the 3 girls who were held 10 years captive in Ohio which was a big story a while back? No. See my point. She have never did a show on Roman Polanski from my knowledge.

Thank you Terrell. Orca’s evil actions have nothing to do with her being an abuse victim. She is just a despicable b@#$& who is using Michael for her and others agenda. I am not going to give her a pass for anything, and I wish people, fans included, would stop. Aka get excuses for this Aunt Jemimma. She is a traitor and a sell out. I will NEVER forgive her for her actions. She is low life.

 

[1nn5]

I just read this. i think this is one we should send comments to even to the writer if we can:

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The writer of this article blocked persons who don't agree with her.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Where else should MJFans talk about something like this when not in a place were other MJFans are?!
It is not really possible or a good idea to discuss this or other things like that about Michael actually outside from a fanplace.
But I am trough wih this for the moment.
You can chill. ��

We don’t need to have a place to speculate on something that is none of our business. No one has the right to do that. Btw, what does that have to do with the FACT that the scam artists/extortionists are LIARS. That’s why I am on this forum and other forums, defending Michael against this trash-ROBson, SafeCHECK and gREED. Again, for the life of me, I can’t fathom why FANS would want to speculate on something that they would not DARE do, if Michael was alive.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

New Rebuttle video from someone.

He said reporters and sozial media people harassing Brett Barnes and saying he is protecting a child moleter and shoud come foward to speak out....

I think this are this MJFacts supporters.

Oh please... how evil is this world.
Thank you greedy Dan, Wade and James that this good man seames to have not his peace anymore.

 

[Lightbringer]

It is an interestesting discussion in The Michael Jackson innocent project podcast episode at arround 0:39:00 that Michael himself maybe don't trust the Aviso family and didn't belived that Gavin had cancer and that this is one reason why he said so strongly that this hole thing was a set up and conspiricy against him.

He said in Dezember 2003.

"This family TOLD me this boy was ill with cancer and needed my help."

They also say that at some point Bashir arranged that all this children came to Neverland for the Documentary.
( I think the szenes with Gavin was filmed the same day.)

Does someone know more about this or has any proove for this?

I think its a weird and uncalled for discussion. Scott Ross said Gavin clearly had cancer and he was the one investigating the family to the greatest length. Scott Ross also said Gavin has had one kidney removed in the process, so devoting time to question his sickness just a waste of time in my opinion. There are far more pressing concerns to worry about.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I think its a weird and uncalled for discussion. Scott Ross said Gavin clearly had cancer and he was the one investigating the family to the greatest length. Scott Ross also said Gavin has had one kidney removed in the process, so devoting time to question his sickness just a waste of time in my opinion. There are far more pressing concerns to worry about.

Ok....thanks for the information and clear this up.
It was something I never thought about before they talked about this yesterday.
I couldn't belive it cause I had MJs description in ear when he first met Gavin.

 

[Lightbringer]

New Episode from The Michael Jackson Innnocent Project

You must skip six min. before can hear anything

This stream was dissapointing. It was more of a comedy/laughing show of a group of friends having a chat.

Pretty horrible sound quality with massive volume difference between each people taking part.

Of almost 3 hours stream, maybe 30 minutes was directly related to Michael Jackson and worth listening to. The rest
was not worth the time.

The women who is the narrator of "Michael Jackson And Wade Robson - The Real Story" video on youtube was on, and she was the one that seemed to want a serious discussion and answer questions from the chat - unfortunately she spoke very rarely and let the others run the show. Whats her name btw? Is she on twitter?

I do appreciate the hard work they put down, but not impressed with these cats thus far - I would like them to more serious and stick to discussing the cases and taking questions from the youtube chat room.

 

[Lightbringer]

Ok....thanks for the information and clear this up.
It was something I never thought about before they talked about this yesterday.

No problems. But you know, Scott Ross interviewed the Arvizos father David in depth about it all, David even rented an apartment near the hospital so that he could be with his son every day at the hospital. We know Janet Arvizo coached the kids to lie and be con artists in every way, but Gavin was sick for real. The only reason he got in contact with Michael Jackson, was that when he was possible dying he mentioned a few famous people that he wanted to meet, one of them was Michael. Also, remember that David Arvizo, the father has insurance who covered Gavins medical bills - while the family raised money towards hospital costs as a fraud.

I am just baffled the Michael Jackson Innocent Project would be so ignorant on that topic, personally I think they were inapproriate several times during their last live stream. If they are going to be the face of the Michael Jackson Innocent Project I think they should talk based on facts only, and make sure they dont speak of things they do not know about, or are not sure of.

They are a public face of the Michael Jackson fan community representing Michael, and should make sure they are coming across as sane, rational and normal.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

This stream was dissapointing. It was more of a comedy/laughing show of a couple of friends having a chat.

Pretty horrible sound quality with massive volume difference between each people taking part.

Of almost 3 hours stream, maybe 30 minutes was directly related to Michael Jackson and worth listening to. The rest
was not worth the time.

The women who tells the story of "Michael Jackson And Wade Robson - The Real Story" was on, and she was the one that seemed to want a serious discussion and answer questions from the chat - unfortunately she spoke very rarely and let the others run the show.

You are right!
It was bad, unproffessional and very difficult to listen to!
The last lifestream with Taj was muuuuch better.
You should send them your critique.
Maybe they should edit the podcastepisodes after they have recorded them.
The french girl was the worst.

Mary from JacksonPassion was in the Live stream?
I didn't reconize this!
Who was she?

 

[Lightbringer]

Mary from Jackson Passion was in the Live stream?
I didn't reconize this!
Who was she?

Maybe I am not having this right. Is Mary from Jackson Passion the individual that is narrating the Michael Jackson And Wade Robson - The Real Story"? I mean, is she the female voice speaking through the video? Or is Mary only doing the video cutting and some other female is speaking in the video? I just felt the need to verify this.

Is it Mary speaking in the new video from the Michael Jackson Innocent project: Proving MJ's Innocence 'Fact by Fact' ~ Fact #2: “No Accurate Description"?

If thats Mary, then she definitely was in on the stream, first speaking about that she thought they should focus on the people defending Michael rather than whining about people that are not defending Michael. She also broke in asked that the other should stop swearing on the stream, as they have younger listeners. She did not speak much, she also said about Michael: "This is a man who would give you the shirt of his back if you asked him".

I immediately recognized her accent and voice when she started speaking in the stream.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I am just baffled the Michael Jackson Innocent Project would be so ignorant on that topic, personally I think they were inapproriate several times during their last live stream. If they are going to be the face of the Michael Jackson Innocent Project I think they should talk based on facts only, and make sure they dont speak of things they do not know about, or are not sure of.

They are a public face of the Michael Jackson fan community representing Michael, and should make sure they are coming across as sane, rational and normal.

You are absolutly right and should tell them this!
It should be more proffessional what they do.

They also sould not let everyone be part of this official podcast episodes.
They can skype with them privat or on the second channel.