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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

somewhereinthedark;4254991 said:
I hope that any MJ fan would NOT talk about any so-called abuse of Michael. He never claimed to be abused. He did say that he got whippings. That is not the same as abuse, and I don’t like how that word is freely used, when Michael didn’t use it himself. I also don’t believe that Michael was sexually abused and neither were any of the other Jackson children, IMO. Katherine would have killed Joe, if she thought that happened. The only “abuse” Michael received is from false allegations and the media’s abuse of a �� % innocent man. That’s the only “abuse” that can be certified and that we have proof and evidence of. Any other kind is conjecture and speculation. Therefore, no FAN should go there, especially when there is ZERO proof.
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I am sure that they don't wanna cover any sexual abuse from Joe Jackson.
There were other rumors that Michael was sexual abbused as a child from some men what maybe was the reson that there was this drastic change in his personality from a very brave straight forward child who had no problem to speak publically or on stage or in interviews to this veeeery quiet, shy conservative human being he was for many years what changed only slowly since the mid nineties where he started to make longer speches.

I think that is the thing what the podcast want cover.
In the way they talked about that child sexual abbuse from Michael in the end of the podcast, they maybe will present us something factual about this.
But what can this be after so maaany years?
Maybe a Jackson Family member who talkes about this with the podcast or gave the Michael Jackson Innocent Project some evidence?

His mother said that the changeing in his personality was caused from the stage.
But maybe this is not true.
We must wait til next weekend to know more.
 
somewhereinthedark;4254991 said:
I hope that any MJ fan would NOT talk about any so-called abuse of Michael. He never claimed to be abused. He did say that he got whippings. That is not the same as abuse, and I don’t like how that word is freely used, when Michael didn’t use it himself. I also don’t believe that Michael was sexually abused and neither were any of the other Jackson children, IMO. Katherine would have killed Joe, if she thought that happened. The only “abuse” Michael received is from false allegations and the media’s abuse of a 💯 % innocent man. That’s the only “abuse” that can be certified and that we have proof and evidence of. Any other kind is conjecture and speculation. Therefore, no FAN should go there, especially when there is ZERO proof.
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Michael seemed to consider it abuse: "When they say the abused, abuse, that's not true. That's not true at all."
The way he describes it and also his mother's reaction to it, it definitely sounds abusive.
 
Anna said:
Michael seemed to consider it abuse: "When they say the abused, abuse, that's not true. That's not true at all."
The way he describes it and also his mother's reaction to it, it definitely sounds abusive.
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Michael Jackson is definitly a child abuse victim.
I always belived him everything he said about the abbuse from his father.
This was not invented or acting!

When you watch the first follwering video and then the beginning of the second video you will see that Michael when he is talking about his abuse shows simular signs like some of the sexual abbuse victims in the begining of the second video.


"Michael Jackson DESTROYS Leaving Neverland! from PB Productions
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"Leaving Neverland - Robson & Safechuck vs real victims" from "Collective Learning"

 
Both videos are blocked in the UK by Channel 4. But, yeah. And not just physical abuse. It was also psychological, making fun of Michael's appearance.
 
Anna said:
Both videos are blocked in the UK by Channel 4. But, yeah. And not just physical abuse. It was also psychological, making fun of Michael's appearance.
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Both uploaders have uploaded the videos on their webside too.
When you go to their channels you can find the links under anouther video.

Michael Jackson and his name was abused in maaany ways for decades.
It finally has to stop!
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
His mother said that the changeing in his personality was caused from the stage.
But maybe this is not true.
We must wait til next weekend to know more.
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I thought Katherine said the change in his outgoing personality from child to teenager (ie to more withdrawn) was due to his bad acne.

(And MJ also wrote about it, in Moonwalk).
 
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myosotis said:
I thought Katherine said the change in his outgoing personality from child to teenager (ie to more withdrawn) was due to his bad acne.
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Hmm... i don't know when she said that. Maybe I have missed this interview.
But in 1980 she said she don't know why Michael is all so quiet now.
Maybe the stage has done this to him.
 
When Michael was sexual abbused as a child can it maybe be this familymember from his fathers side who also abbused Taj and his brother in the 80ies?

Cause the way the brothers talked about this family member today in this podcast episode, it semed that the Jackson Family had protected the children from this familymember cause they know he was a pedofile or a childmolester before he got the chance to abbuse the brothers in an unprotective moment.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
When Michael was sexual abbused as a child can it maybe be this familymember from his fathers side who also abbused Taj and his brother in the 80ies?

Cause the way the brothers talked about this family member today in this podcast episode, it semed that the Jackson Family had protected the children from this familymember cause they know he was a pedofile or a childmolester before he got the chance to abbuse the brothers in an unprotective moment.
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I thought Taj said it was a relative on his mother's side...?
 
Hold on, now you guys lost me? Since when was MJ sexually abused? I know about how Joe used to hit him and his brothers, with a belt etc, but sexual abuse? I only knew about Taj so far, Michael was a victim too?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Hold on, now you guys lost me? Since when was MJ sexually abused? I know about how Joe used to hit him and his brothers, with a belt etc, but sexual abuse? I only knew about Taj so far, Michael was a victim too?
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We don't know anything about this.
We only specluate in the dark because the Michael Jackson Innocent Project said at the end of their podcast epidode that they wanna talk about how Michael was abused in many ways which will include also child sexual abuse of him in their next episode in a week.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
We don't know anything about this.
We only specluate in the dark because the Michael Jackson Innocent Project said at the end of their podcast epidode that they wanna talk about how Michael was abused in many ways which will include also child sexual abuse of him in their next episode in a week.
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Ok I see. Jesus christ if the guy has endured that as well.

This reminds me of some haters on Twitter, bringing up how MJ was definitely a victim and he's just passing it on, he was abused that way, and so he does it to others too.

And that may be true in some cases, but Mike? Oh hell no.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Ok I see. Jesus christ if the guy has endured that as well.

This reminds me of some haters on Twitter, bringing up how MJ was definitely a victim and he's just passing it on, he was abused that way, and so he does it to others too.

And that may be true in some cases, but Mike? Oh hell no.
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This narrative comes from the Bashit Doc.
He tried build it in LWMJ.
This was the real reson why he constantly asked Michael about this subject.
I mean he did not relly ask him about anything else then his relationship with forign children, his own and the abbuse of his father as he would have a specific agenda.
Ah I forgot his surgerys.^^

I know it happens often with physical child abbuse that the victims does this to their children.

But with child sexul abuse I think it is very unusal that victims does this also to their children.
But I absolutly don't know this.
 
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So on Dutch Radio, a big one too they had this poll about most legendary artist. Elvis, MJ etc. Who's on top? You can guess it :)

This just shows how unbreakable Mike truly is. Even with the filth that is LN, even with mother****ers always trying to destroy him he just withstands it all. So if any of these sorry ass idiots like that German and God knows who else wants to try and shit on him.. go ahead and try and watch the MJFam tear you to shreds and not a damn thing happening to MJ. King forever.
 
the dutch radio station was also giving away 1000 euros if you called overtime MJ was being played yesterday. Radio Veronica, one of the biggest stations.
 
Someone in Trapson's latest video's comments says Aaron recently was on the radio and said he had been abused too and that it wasn't Lou Pearlman. This person now thinks he no longer defends MJ.

Not sure how she can come to that conclusion, he would say he'll always have his back, wouldn't give his shout outs to the estate and family then and I'm sure he'd have taken the Wade and James route or how that German prick does his shit.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Not sure what you mean?
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
She means wade.
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Oh I see, my bad. Never did care for any boy bands, actually I truly hated Nsync, BSB and so on, haha. Then again, those groups appeal mostly to women anyway with a few exceptions probably.
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Yeah sorry I did mean that , So, i googled and saw yeah he was part of that lil 00s thing. The video concept tho, It was funny to me .That's wade trademark all over haha ...sooo stiff :rofl: those poor sods having a choreographer like that! then , Stealing Britney from his employee -ie- TimberLake. . How rude! What a boss! :puke:



and again , its completely 1 , 2 , its exactly what michael advised against! Exactly what a good dancer is not meant to DO. Kind of shows even back then you never really respected michael! Yes, i get it that each artist should be original but this dancing really is crappy wade ..... its shit as my punctuation and no, i dont care. and if you are reading this thread, you googly eyed goldfish head, you do NOT know the principle of movement. NO you can not dance . (and you sucked at mentoring , you dont steal from your student wade .Nor do you attack the man WHO MADE YOU but you do , because you know what? youre a first class ignorant butt sniffer.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Someone in Trapson's latest video's comments says Aaron recently was on the radio and said he had been abused too and that it wasn't Lou Pearlman. This person now thinks he no longer defends MJ.

Not sure how she can come to that conclusion, he would say he'll always have his back, wouldn't give his shout outs to the estate and family then and I'm sure he'd have taken the Wade and James route or how that German prick does his shit.
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They come to that conclusion because that is what they desperately want to believe.
 
I didn’t know JT wrote a book and that he addresses the MJ allegations by saying Wade told him MJ never touched him.
 
myosotis said:
I thought Katherine said the change in his outgoing personality from child to teenager (ie to more withdrawn) was due to his bad acne.

(And MJ also wrote about it, in Moonwalk).
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You are correct. She never claimed or even hinted that it had to do with any kind of abuse. I think it is disrespectful to imply something that is not based on facts.
 
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