was the railroad were there already when he bought it?If my memory serves me correct, Neverland ranch was built in 1982, Michael purchased it in 1987 and moved in in 1988..
No, it for sure was not built until 1993.. construction began November, it is unclear exactly when it ended. I have seen reports stating not completed as late as Feb 1994, but I can't state THAT part for a fact. All I can say is it for sure did not get built until Nov. 1993 and construction lasted through the month of December for sure.For those who are not convinced by documents that the train station was not their in 1992, there are news reports from 1992 with footage of Neverland.. It was not there!was the railroad were there already when he bought it?
train station yes but railroad? Or railroad was build together with the station?No, it for sure was not built until 1993.. construction began November, it is unclear exactly when it ended. I have seen reports stating not completed as late as Feb 1994, but I can't state THAT part for a fact. All I can say is it for sure did not get built until Nov. 1993 and construction lasted through the month of December for sure.For those who are not convinced by documents that the train station was not their in 1992, there are news reports from 1992 with footage of Neverland.. It was not there!
yes, there was no rail road..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_AlA-eHrU&t=112strain station yes but railroad? Or railroad was build together with the station?
If my memory serves me correct, Neverland ranch was built in 1982, Michael purchased it in 1987 and moved in in 1988..
great so there wasn't just the building but the railroad yet. So niceyes, there was no rail road..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_AlA-eHrU&t=112s
This is a good find. Id like to see her deposition transcript since its not online. That would go a long way as more proof of Robsons lies.myosotis;4252445 said:New from Mike Smallcombe:
Wade Robson's Michael Jackson sex abuse claims 'disproved by his own mum'
Wade Robson's allegations of child sex abuse against Michael Jackson have reportedly been disproved by his own mother in historic court documents.
Michael Jackson biographer Mike Smallcombe claims a testimony from Joy in 1993 shows at least some of Wade's allegations in the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland cannot be true.
Speaking to Mirror Online, Mr Smallcombe said the case hinged on Wade claiming the abuse started when his family went to the Grand Canyon and he stayed behind with *****.
But Mr Smallcombe claims his mother Joy told a court in 1993 that Wade did join them on them trip.
He points to Joy's testimony under oath as proof that Wade has lied.
He said: "In the documentary, Wade Robson described how he and his then 10-year-old sister stayed in Jackson’s bedroom the first two nights they were ever at Neverland in January 1990.
"Wade then claimed that his family left to go to the Grand Canyon, while he stayed behind with Jackson alone at Neverland for the next five days.
"Wade claimed it was then when he was first abused by Jackson, going into graphic detail about what had allegedly happened over the course of several nights."
Mr Smallcombe pointed to Joy's testimony in the Jodie Chandler case against Jackson in the early 90's.
The ***** biographer continued: "His mother, Joy Robson, testified under oath in a deposition in 1993/1994 in relation to the Jordie Chandler case that Wade had actually gone with them on that trip to the Grand Canyon, before the entire family returned to Neverland for the second time the following weekend.
"Joy Robson had no reason to lie about this; she openly admitted that Wade stayed with Jackson alone on other occasions.
"She could have said, ‘Wade stayed behind with Michael when we went away to the Grand Canyon between weekends’, it wouldn’t have made a difference."
Mr Smallcombe then went on to detail what Joy claimed happened, which goes against her son's allegations.
He continued: “Her words in that deposition were, ‘We went to the ranch for the first weekend, and then we left and went to the Grand Canyon, and we toured. We came back to the ranch for the following weekend’.
“She was asked to elaborate on who had gone to the Grand Canyon, and she said ‘my family’. There was no mention of Wade staying behind.
“To confirm this, later on, she revealed that the first time Wade stayed alone with Jackson at the ranch without her was actually in 1993.
"She said, ‘My son has never been to the ranch without me up until this year (1993)’.”
Smallcombe added that when testifying in defence of Jackson in 2005, more than a decade after his mother’s deposition, Wade also testified that the only time he had been at Neverland without his mother was sometime in 1992 or 1993, when Macaulay Culkin and Jordie Chandler were also there.
Mr Smallcombe continued: "When giving evidence and asked if his sister had stayed in the bed with him ‘the entire time’ they were at Neverland on that first trip, Wade answered ‘yes’.
"Meaning he never stayed alone with Jackson during that trip.
"His mum corroborated that when giving evidence the following day."
Mr Smallcombe has also pointed to Wade admitting that he 'did not know' whether what happened that night 'came from (his) own recollection or it was told to (him) by someone else’.
Mr Smallcombe alleged: "In one email to his mother, he also asked her scores of questions about what had happened that first weekend at Neverland.
"That was when Wade was drafting a book about the alleged abuse, having failed to get the Cirque du Soleil job with the Estate.
"All of this shows that Wade’s story about being abused that first time, while the rest of his family had supposedly left the ranch to go to the Grand Canyon, is false.
"Of course, while this doesn’t categorically rule out that Jackson abused Wade Robson, it does make you wonder if this extremely detailed and key story in the documentary has been fabricated."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/wade-robsons-michael-jackson-sex-14201396.amp
From MS twitter:
I got answer back from my TV station:
LTV as social media highly value openness and promotion of the discussion about important things to the society. Also about those things that are hard to talk about and that includes different taboo. The movie is not just about the personality of Michael Jackson but it also makes ppl to think and discuss about the pedophilia and topics of sexual violence in general.
Before the purchase of the movie we were aware of the available information and also discussed about the demonstration of the movie. While making our decision to include this movie in our program, we have carefully considered what kind of discussion it will bring in Latvia's society. This is a way for audience in Latvia to watch it legally and for free, the movie that made such a huge discussions around the world and estimate it critically. LTV will not change its decision.
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So basically media admits that they know they are lies but their aim to make it huge so ppl would talk about it more. But that is something that we already knew before. The thing is that other ppl think that it is true and they even can't think that media by themselves know it is lies but demonstrate it anyway.
I got answer back from my TV station:
LTV as social media highly value openness and promotion of the discussion about important things to the society. Also about those things that are hard to talk about and that includes different taboo. The movie is not just about the personality of Michael Jackson but it also makes ppl to think and discuss about the pedophilia and topics of sexual violence in general.
Before the purchase of the movie we were aware of the available information and also discussed about the demonstration of the movie. While making our decision to include this movie in our program, we have carefully considered what kind of discussion it will bring in Latvia's society. This is a way for audience in Latvia to watch it legally and for free, the movie that made such a huge discussions around the world and estimate it critically. LTV will not change its decision.
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So basically media admits that they know they are lies but their aim to make it huge so ppl would talk about it more. But that is something that we already knew before. The thing is that other ppl think that it is true and they even can't think that media by themselves know it is lies but demonstrate it anyway.
they wrote me in Latvian. Our language. I translated but that is what I understood as well that they kind a called Michael a pedo."not just about the personality of Michael Jackson but ... also ... about the pedophilia" (of Michael Jackson?)
That's either bad english or they openly call him a pedo, and that people need / want to look at it.
The german TV station that airs LN wrote a similar BS excuse standard reply to my complain.
Like "...it's become such a big thing... we just can't help and have to give people what they want to see... ".
None of these TV stations ever seriously thought about what could be wrong about it.
All they see is ratings.
Adrian Grant in his book writes that Michael moved to Neverland in May 1988.
I am done with the books now.
It's not letting edit to add this little 'trick' I use for those who are not too familiar with the layout of Neverland.. When looking for the train station, keep your eye out for the tennis court, that would be the closest attraction to the trainstation.. in pics from a distance, most pics will show at least a part of this 'triangle' I look for.. The pool, tennis court, and the windy sidewalk.. It makes somewhat of a 3 point triangle to pin point the area... When you spot that, you know it's in the general area of the train station. and just FYI IF he ever tries to say there are more than one train station.. While the train does have the ability to stop at other 'stops' that have a waiting area, that is the only actual TRUE station.. The 'Katherine Jackson Train Station'. To give the visual:http://www.************/wp-content/...006-920x616-1200-the-pinnacle-list-tpl.jpgNow there are other waiting areas that are called 'train stations', but they are more so cabanas, bus stop style. no indoor facilities. This is the "flamingo Train station"https://dancingwiththeelephant.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/80b1f-flamingoisland1.png?w=640&h=544As you can see, there is no closed doors, no 'upstairs' to go or anything.. it's basically a train stop, not a train station..
Some fans are now tweeting Dan Reed with facts. Why, why, whyyyyyy? All they are doing now is help his filthy cause.
What do you think he's gonna do anyway?
The documentary has already been broadcasted everywhere.
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