Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Yes, you are right in many things. should not more attention because it will not leave until spring and if the fans come to get attention that will attract more attention from people who surely have not heard, plus how much more attention generated more interested will be the press and television channels in Acquire the rights of publication of the documentary, which would be terrible! neither writing to hbo and sundance will be of much use, on the contrary I think it will make them more interested in spreading it so that people see it if they see that it generates scandal as it is happening. not to draw attention, but if I think that you have to write is to the estate to make a good documentary in this time that is ahead until the release of the documentary in hbo. they must create a documentary that tells the life of michael holding the press and that exposes that part. I know that many of you do not want to expose michael's private life, but it is necessary to tell who was michael as a person, as a father, as a friend, as a brother, to have friends who can talk about him, his family and children, because they are going to expose their private life and in a very negative way. The best way for people to change the negative image they have of Michael Jackson is to show him as a person to the world, not only as an artist , the estate and his family should work on it because most of the world believe that he was a ruthless and an abuser. for non-fans it is very difficult to believe in their innocence because there are five cases of children who were allegedly abused, five, and non-fans do not watch the evidence against. the rest of the world only sees that he is a famous artist who has five complaints about child abuse, and that he paid one of them to silence him, that is what the world sees. they do not know if he was good people, if he was generous or if he was calm and peaceful, or if he was a joker or if he was a good father, we know because we followed him throughout our lives, we saw his interviews, his videos, the interviews of his friends ... but they do not know anything except that he has five complaints.
It is understandable that they do not believe in him, and this documentary will revive that feeling because for them they are two more victims, they do not even know if they are the same as before or not.
That's why I like when books or videos come out of people or friends who were with him and have positive experiences of him because this makes him a normal person and shows him positively, even if his private life It is good because this will transform the negative image that he has. you have to talk to the estate and his family and they should work on michael life's documentary and movie



The stupid thing is MJ spent many years consistently supporting charitable causes and promoting them too, and yet somehow he (and since his death, his estate) allowed that to be forgotten.

Bono is world renowned and often praised in the media for his charitable efforts.
Shortly after George Michael's death there were news reports and segments on daytime TV about how generous he was.

Neither came close to MJ. I know he often used hospital visits and such for promotional purposes back in the day (up to the late 90s I guess) but people easily forget. I don't think the MJ Estate has ever emphasized his charitable credentials.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Guys, I agree with much of the criticism of the Estate, however there is another angle to all of this.

As of yet, the film has not been shown. Sundance is next Friday, and HBO/Channel 4 are not due to broadcast this filth until sometime in the Spring. There is very little mainstream media attention on this at the moment. Ofcourse, that could all change once/if the film is shown, however until there is any uptick in wider attention, there is a view that we shouldn't draw more attention to it. It's what Channel 4 and HBO want. If there is a vociferous pre-emptive public attack from MJ fans and the estate, that is only going to increase the interest in the programme and lead more people to actually watch it when it comes out.

Unfortunately for us, MJ has been and will always be a target for fraudsters, liars and money hungry leeches. The accusations that MJ is a child molester have been in the public domain for over 25 years now. Despite his not guilty verdict, certain people will never change their minds about him. Some will change their minds with the truth being spread, however the vast majority of the general public will not start dedicating hours of their life to read up about the truth. Why would they?

There is very little we can do to stop the films being shown. We SHOULD keep continuing to email people high up at Sundance, HBO and Channel 4 and direct THEM to the truth about Wade and Jimmy. Maybe someone high up who authorised this, who may have been unaware of the depth of Wade's lies could see sense.

We need to strike a balance between counteracting negativity where it shows up and calling people out who spread lies and unfounded accusations, but we if we start a massive public campaign on this it will start to attract the attention of people who currently have no clue about this film, and may not even have come across it.

I'm guesing that might also be the Estate's thinking. Instead of them going on a media blitz to counteract this, they need to strike a balance between exposing the lies of the accusers and continuing with positive MJ projects.

If/when there is more attention and a public outcry, that is when the more forecful campaign should come.

One hope we have to hold out here is that the film MAY pass with limited public attanetion. It is just a hope, but unlike MJ's trial which featured daily stories for nearly 6 months, this is something that will be shown on TV one day and then fade the next.

Don't forget, Wade came out with these accusations publicly 6 years ago, he toured the TV studios in the US and he gave lengthy depositions in court only a couple of years ago re-iterating his accusations. It resulte din very little widespread media attention. Not one person I know has asked me about Wade's accusations in the last 6 years, presuambly because they've heard nothing about it. And believe me, people would ask if they heard about it because my friends and family know what a big MJ fan I am and what I believe about his innocence.

Well said ?
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Done another Loud House Meme to attack Sundance.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is beautifully done. Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/NaomiCampbell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NaomiCampbell</a> . My uncle would have cherished this. <a href="https://t.co/Dq9TOHwdPY">https://t.co/Dq9TOHwdPY</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1085629210226417664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you for this. Still ignoring facts <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@hbo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/HBODocs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBODocs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sundancefest?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sundancefest</a> ? <a href="https://t.co/uRUokYMy9r">https://t.co/uRUokYMy9r</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1085734312920571904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you for this. Still ignoring facts <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@hbo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/HBODocs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBODocs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/sundancefest?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sundancefest</a> ? <a href="https://t.co/uRUokYMy9r">https://t.co/uRUokYMy9r</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1085734312920571904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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You'd think that's quite damming for Wade Robson. And also things like that he calls MJ his mentor in the Opus. Sigh. But I'm sure he'll have some excuse for that, if he was ever to get that question asked to him, that is.
 
This could be a REALLY bad thing for MJs legacy. This could be the thing that really does it. I’m worried.
 
nextbigthing56;4237291 said:
This could be a REALLY bad thing for MJs legacy. This could be the thing that really does it. I&#8217;m worried.

No it won't. A lot of people have now caught on to the fact that those allegations are false. Stuff like this will always come up no matter what, but us MJ fans are prepared for this.
 
Paris78;4237283 said:
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No, don&#8217;t be so worried it&#8217;s not a funny thing, but it&#8217;s not the end of the world, Michael is soooo innocent and that liar is soooo false, this is another fight, we will go through this.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I know this feels like a big deal right now and something should be done, but let's remember this isnt the first nor is it the last attempt to release something against Michael's legacy and truth..

It will fade no matter what!
 
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Exactly. Everytime this happens some think the sky is falling.then within five mins its forgotten about until the next drama. Some of us have been through this sadley too many times but it changes very little in the long run
 
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Exactly. Everytime this happens some think the sky is falling.then within five mins its forgotten about until the next drama. Some of us have been through this sadley too many times but it changes very little in the long run

Guys, I'm sorry you're so apathetic about this. I have been on the MJ fan sites since the mid-90s and so have experience of this.
I do believe this is more serious that what came before.
 
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I also beliebe that, this time, it could get serious.

Surely, we, the fans, will remain fans not matter what is thrown at us, but I`m not that egoistic as to want Michael only for myself. I want him to be loved by future generations as well. I want his legacy and memory to remain intact (as much as that is the case).
 
MJTruth;4237303 said:
Guys, I'm sorry you're so apathetic about this. I have been on the MJ fan sites since the mid-90s and so have experience of this.
I do believe this is more serious that what came before.

How can a documentary 10 years after his death be worse than the first time he was ever accused and him actually going to trial and potentially going to jail? It’s nowhere near as bad.
 
L.T.D;4237310 said:
How can a documentary 10 years after his death be worse than the first time he was ever accused and him actually going to trial and potentially going to jail? It’s nowhere near as bad.

Exactly &#128513; i dunno some ppl seem to like the drama
 
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I think a lot of people forget the DAILY news coverage in 2005.

'Michael Jackson's Boys' was on TV, you had news reporters walking you around MJs cell and clothing he was going to wear, 'I'll eat crow if he is found not guilty',

This documentary is a one-off thing, easily disproven and most people are defending Michael already anyway. Unless there's something we don't know about going to be shown [chances of this are nonexistent], there's no reason to worry.

Let's get the facts ready, easily digestible and send them where necessary.

I'm proud so many of us have stood up and been vocal. No matter the current controversy, we must stay together and fight for our Michael. Nothing else matters.

We are his voice because he no longer has one.
 
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Every single molestation allegation against Michael, to this very day, has been absurd, bizarre and fantastic.

But we should stay on the alert and be wary in the era of the #metoo movement where mere allegations carry more weight than ever before. We shouldn't be hysterical, yes, but let's not dismiss or underestimate the situation either. Everywhere I look R. Kelly is compared to Michael now and this pile of sh*t of a film has not even premiered yet.

Even the founder of the Black Lives Matter movement believes the allegations against Michael...
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Good Morning From NYC To All!!!

For me, personally, NOTHING could be worse than that freaking trial. It was soul-crushing and broke my heart everyday, but this is different (for me).

First of all Robson's POSITIVE testimony during the trial is not going away. Neither are the ZILLION interviews he gave, before, during AND AFTER Michael's death. Remember how freakin happy he was that he was included in that MTV Tribute To MJ, after MJ's death. Proudly dancing with Janet Jackson.

Yeah, the media reported the whole Sundance thing, but every article I read, also included how Robson testified for the defense. The CNN article I read even added some quotes from Robson's testimony. Namely: "I'M TELLING YOU NOTHING HAPPENED," Robson testified at the time when a prosecutor challenged him. (That's just one quote from the article.)

It appears that the media is not going all out, like they did during the trial. They, of course, won't say it, but they know this is a money grab. In my further opinion, they are not going all out, because Robson denied them the outcome they REALLY wanted. Had Robson told the story he is telling now, things could have turned out differently. Who knows!

When folks start changing their story, especially a story they told UNDER OATH, their credibility is shot.

Robson clearly said that it's NOT repressed memory. He said that he remembered everything that happened to him, but didn't realized that it was bad (or something like that). Which makes absolutely NO sense to me. He testified as an adult and was asked very specific questions by Thomas M. Detailed questions, to which he denied over and over and over and over again that anything happened.

How he plans to overcome all of that in this "documentary," is beyond me.
 
L.T.D;4237310 said:
How can a documentary 10 years after his death be worse than the first time he was ever accused and him actually going to trial and potentially going to jail? It’s nowhere near as bad.


Well yes in '93 it was bad.
In '03 it was terrible. All the inaccurate reports, all the comedians' jokes, all the trash 'documentaries', BUT at least MJ was able to walk a free man in 2005 once he was acquitted on all charges. Sure some people argued he bought his way out of jail or that his celebrity helped him, but many people were reassured that he had been fairly tried by a jury. The verdict DID count for something.

Now in 2019 there is no such opportunity. No trial. No acquittal. In fact, no defence at all it seems.

Thanks to the #metoo movement the media are trying to bring the next big name down and MJ seems like an easy target, and the public are more than ever willing to just accept allegations as fact. Many people, especially celebrities are afraid to even raise questions for fear of becoming the enemy themselves! If the documentary is successful, how can the MJ Estate ever recover from that? It will be on present on the 'on demand' services for many years to come.

The Arvizo case (which included Chandler allegations to an extent) was won but many people won't consider that victory has a relation to allegations being made now by Robson/Safechuck. Even if people accept MJ did not abuse Arvizo or Chandler, Robson/Safechuck are 'new' accusers with accusations not tried in court. MJ and his Estate CANNOT win the case as it was (correctly) dismissed on a technicality.


THAT is how it can be worse.
I would have preferred the case go to court than this documentary be shown.

It becomes part of the body of 'evidence' that 'proves' MJ was guilty, at least in the mind of the public who don't know any better and are never going to research anything themselves.

Completely unchallenged accounts from two guys who are known to be unreliable (that's putting it mildly).
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Well yes in '93 it was bad.
The Arvizo case (which included Chandler allegations to an extent) was won but many people won't consider that victory has a relation to allegations being made now by Robson/Safechuck. Even if people accept MJ did not abuse Arvizo or Chandler, Robson/Safechuck are 'new' accusers with accusations not tried in court. MJ and his Estate CANNOT win the case as it was (correctly) dismissed on a technicality.

Respective of your comment, but I wouldn't call Robson and Safechuck "new" accusers. I would call them NON-ACCUSERS who changed their story, after the fact.

Aside from Safechuck saying, in the past, that MJ did nothing to him, I really don't know anything about that fool.

Robson, on the other hand, is an open book, because of his testimony for the defense and all of his positive interviews. Robson's flip-flop is basically saying that HE LIED UNDER OATH. Love or hate Michael, folks don't like when you get on the witness stand, say one thing, then change your story, after the case is over. [Insert Side-Eye]

I do find it interesting that none of the many reporters that were in the courtroom on the day that Robson testified (and said how strong Robson's testimony was), have not come out with any comments, regarding Robson's change of story. I say it's because, just like us, they know Wade Robson is full of sh$t!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I agree. For people are two new accusers and the difference is that they will be able to see and hear their testimonies firsthand. In the trial No one could hear the testimonies at first hand except those present there. now the thing is different, the spectators will be able to listen to the stories of two "supposed new victims" in a documentary. that changes everything. It is not the same to read in a magazine about an accusation than to be at home watching TV and watch a documentary where you will first hear two people telling their "supposed" abuses. This affects the viewer much more and makes him empathize with them. also there is no other documentary that is going to put on hbo that discredits them. the fans have read, we have documented and we can discredit some things, but the rest of the world will not investigate if they lie or not, they will see what they show them and they will take it for granted.
If I get a documentary of the testimony of two alleged victims of Elvis Presley child abuse on a platform like hbo I'll believe it without hesitation because I think it is not possible to publish something like that in hbo without proof that is true , and I would not investigate how we do the fans, do you understand what I'm saying?
the world will see it un that way.
This is more serious than the trial because now there is no trial or defense that proves that he is not guilty and also a documentary like this will remain forever in the networks damaging his image by years.
 
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I agree. For people are two new accusers and the difference is that they will be able to see and hear their testimonies firsthand.
I hear what you're saying, BUT:

If "some" folks look at Robson and Safechuck as NEW ACCUSERS, the first thing they will ask themselves, in my opinion, is WHY didn't you say that during the trial?

There was a whole giant trial, with media coverage from wall-to-wall everyday. Why didn't you tell your collectively stories when it REALLY counted!!

Only to find out that Robson CHANGED HIS STORY. And Safechuck didn't bother to show up, until it was time to file a lawsuit.

I mean, why go to Law Enforcement, and make a formal report, when you can file a lawsuit and hopefully collect a few million dollars. [Insert Sarcasm]
 
Think some of you are getting extremely carried away right now and creating all sorts of different scenarios in your heads that haven’t even happened yet.

If Michaels legacy survived not only being accused of it once, but a second time as well, then a silly little TV documentary is going to have no effect at all. Especially since it’s already received a lot of backlash before it’s even been shown!

Put things into perspective, imagine being in 2003 and hearing your idol has been arrested under fresh charges of child molestation......now put yourself back in 2019 where youre hearing about a tv documentary with two easily disproven liars. It won’t even come close to being worse than 1993 or 2003.
 
L.T.D;4237336 said:
Put things into perspective, imagine being in 2003 and hearing your idol has been arrested under fresh charges of child molestation......now put yourself back in 2019 where youre hearing about a tv documentary with two easily disproven liars. It won&#8217;t even come close to being worse than 1993 or 2003.

Co-Sign!

Apparently, --"Virgil Abloh's Louis Vuitton Show," last night in Paris, was graced by the spirit of Michael Jackson. The designer Virgil Abloh paying homage to the King Of Pop in his second runway collection for Louis Vuitton, ONE OF THE SEASON'S MOST HIGHLY ANTICIPATED SHOWS.

The Louis Vuitton runway show was a loving tribute to Jackson, staged days before the late singer will be the center of a much different king of public event. [My Note: Interesting that this runway show was not cancelled. Usually when something negative is out there, the first thing they do is cancel. Interesting!!]

Thursday's show was a stunner, with Jackson references abound, from the sparkling gloves and architectural jackets worn by some of the models to the show's final moments, in which the house band's guitarist walked down the runway in darkness as tiles lit up under his feet on the runway, recreating an iconic moment from the "Billie Jean" video.--

(The above sentences come from an article from the "USA Today" newspaper. I apologize for not linking the article, but I STILL don't know how to do that. Moderators and Fellow Posters, please forgive me.]
 
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I think at this point the Estate should put all the past documentaries on netflix: private home movies, the one, bad, otw and even the footage you were never meant to see. They should own the rights or be able to work something out. With millions of potential viewers this would certainly counteract some of the bias in the long run and help future sales (dear estate)
 
L.T.D;4237310 said:
How can a documentary 10 years after his death be worse than the first time he was ever accused and him actually going to trial and potentially going to jail? It&#8217;s nowhere near as bad.

We the fans have read court statements from Safechuck and therefore know what awful things he said. We also know what source he used for his lies. The general public isn't aware of any of that stuff and I'm afraid the documentary is going to change that. Haters will always hate him, of course, but those who are indifferent might start thinking that he's actually a monster. I hope I'm overreacting, but we will see.
 
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