"Breaking News" All General Discussion Here [Merged]

[Kapital77]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwNL_HQRkDY

 

[L.T.D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwNL_HQRkDY

Haha thats awesome.

They are Faken the news.

 

[Nighty]

And what if it's just the kb/s quality different?

I've downloaded both files (monday and one hour ago) using same method (ripping video with software that grabs brightcove's link and converting it to 256 kb/s):
- two songs really sound different on headphones (sennheiser). In the new one the background sounds are clearly more powerful (the voices at the beginning sound clear (where the speaker says' biographer', the tambourine for example is more hearable and so on)
- two files being different size (7.85mb (new) vs 7.84mb (old) )

Well, the kb/s on the stream might be different, but I doubt it. I recorded them in pure WAV forms, and if there's was any difference, there would have been some sounds or something still there, but there isn't. just pure silence. And about headphones and speakers - I use a pair of AKG K240s cans and a pair of Genelec monitors (I do music at a high standard) and I still can't hear nor find any difference.. As I stated earlier, I can record a video of me ripping the audio, mixing it and show the results if that helps and it's still gonna turn out with the same results.. Sorry if I come out as rude or something, I'm really not trying to be an ass..

 

[barok232]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2qOTNYAts
I like the song, I love the beat, I hate the voice.
I'm trying to believe this, but the thing SCREAMS!

Fantastic comparison. Now THAT I CALL PROOF unk:

 

[barok232]

The bridge sounds like MJ to me, it could easily be him. The first verse is sketchy for sure. MJ is for sure in the background though, I can hear some of his famous vocal hiccups and such.

Bridge is not enough mate. If MJ is in the background for the rest, doesn't that mean that someone else is FORWARD singing the lead vocals? Make up your mind already

 

[F D B]

Nighty... I believe you.
I know the process and it's exactly as you described.

 

[L.T.D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2qOTNYAts
I like the song, I love the beat, I hate the voice.
I'm trying to believe this, but the thing SCREAMS!

OMG...........If people here this and still think it is MJ on the song. Then.......ahh I dont know.

I definately think its Malachi after hearing this!

 

[SunsetDriver]

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/11/11/michael-jackson-fans-breaking-news/


Michael Jackson's 'Breaking News': The Fans Weigh In
Posted 19 minutes ago by Kyle Anderson in Music


The war of words over the legitimacy of Michael Jackson's "Breaking News" continues to play out in the media, and both sides appear to be making strong arguments. Not matter how "real" the song actually is, it's going to be fueling one of the biggest albums of the holiday season in Michael, Jackson's first posthumous album (and almost certainly not his last). The single debuted online (and was immediately absorbed by radio) on Monday (November 8th) and has been the source of a great deal of discussion among Jackson's biggest fans on the Internet.
Four days later, the opinions remain decidedly split. Some fans leaving comments on yesterday's post on the MTV Newsroom Blog are absolutely convinced it is undoubtedly Michael's voice. "It's for sure MJ's voice," wrote reader burimi. "People who have been listening to MJ's songs, they know it's him. He changes his voice and sings in different styles."
Reader Tom Watson agreed. "I think it's interesting to listen to 'non-perfect' vocals from Jackson — and it is him," he wrote. "It's gritty and unpolished. It is also interesting to hear what he was thinking of the media circa 2007. I think it accurately describes the media chaos surrounding his life." Ligaya was also certain. "It's Michael. Very much in line with and a continuation of Invincible," she wrote. "He evolved with the times and the technology, an innovator not stuck in a rut musically or otherwise."
But others are less convinced. "It's not Michael," wrote reader Karl. "I'm a fan just as much as the next, but 'Breaking News' isn't him." Reader Kelly invoked the displeasure that the Jackson family has been expressing recently. "Paris Jackson said this was not her Daddy, and that her Daddy sang to her every day," she wrote. "That's good enough for me. If MJ's children do not like it, then neither do I."
The final word went to reader popprince01. "Compare Michael's song 'Tabloid Junkie' to 'Breaking News' and you decide. Two very similar themes, but only one is a product of the King of Pop," he wrote. "'Breaking News' is a knock off, cheap imitation of Michael Jackson. I'm a true fan of his genius, and I idolize this man. This isn't him, and even if it is, by some chance I'm wrong this will only prove new music can't be done without his presence. But I stand by my convictions and without a doubt this isn't Michael Jackson."

 

[mjjesamor]

Does anyone else not think it's weird that 'whoever' is singing sings what sounds like 'fakey faking breaking the news' at around 1.34 mins (backround vocals )in on the track?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfA4eLjsO20&feature=related
Crystal clear at around 53 seconds in to acapella version......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDANc0fyX0

 

[Graf]

OMG...........If people here this and still think it is MJ on the song. Then.......ahh I dont know.

I definately think its Malachi after hearing this!

The Estate confirmed it's not Malachi.

Just to be absolutely certain, I also contacted Jason Malachi, a young singer who some persons had wrongfully alleged was a “soundalike” singer that was hired to sing on the Cascio tracks, and I confirmed that he had no involvement with this project whatsoever.

 

[Arklove]

^^ no matter how much I listen to it, that acapella sounds NOTHING like Michael...but when I hear the final version, i hear his voice in there, periodically....but the acapella...**** that...it's someone else...entirely...with a few adlibs from other songs

 

[Indra]

I can't believe we actually have to deal with this!!!!!
This should just be fun and happy thoughts but noooooo, of course there must be something like this.
Sorry, this just gets me going.

 

[mjjesamor]

I'll take that as a no then shall i?

 

[L.T.D]

The Estate confirmed it's not Malachi.

The Estate 'confirmed' a lot of things that I dont believe.

That video doesnt lie. Its Jason Malachi on that song.

 

[electrickeyez]

We spent 4 days analyzing what was so obvious to us those first 20 seconds of the song on Sunday night. Analysis & debate can do wonders to destroy the obvious.

The broken heart I had Sunday night, I'm going to have twice more on December 14th. I honestly can't bear it. I don't know I'll be listening to the album if there's any room for fraud.

 

[L.T.D]

We spent 4 days analyzing what was so obvious to us those first 20 seconds of the song on Sunday night. Analysis & debate can do wonders to destroy the obvious.

Absolutely, people should trust their initial instincts.

I have listened to it a lot since, but my opinion hasnt changed at all.

 

[GinnyJackson]

i am not confused anymore All those people listening to it all those people saying its Michael. I believe them. I'm buying the album on release date, I will listening to it the way i have always listened to Michael. Yesterday when i posted we were wrong... It turns out... We were.

 

[F D B]

The Estate confirmed it's not Malachi.

Yeah... like The Estate was highly believable... :smilerolleyes:

 

[cppounders]

Yeah... like The Estate was highly believable... :smilerolleyes:

So, if you don't believe the Estate, then who would you believe? The Estate, for all legal intents and purposes, IS MICHAEL JACKSON. They are protecting his interests and providing for his children.

 

[F D B]

So, if you don't believe the Estate, then who would you believe?

I do believe in:
1st- My ears
2nd- My eyes
3rd- My thoughts
4th- Michael Jackson.

I don't believe in:
1st- Sony Music
2nd- The Estate
3rd- Teddy Riley
4th- TAJ Jackson
5th- John Mcclain
6th- John Branca
7th- Biased opinions from people who has no knowledge.
8th- etc.

 

[Steve001]

After returning to this thread and reading the last few pages, it's interesting to observe just how many members either have or are beginning to alter their initial opinions regarding 'Breaking News'.
This doesn't really surprise me when one sits back and considers what I believe is the bare reality of this entire fiasco.

It's all quite simple really...I believe the initial claims made by disgruntled members of the Jackson camp (namely 3T) about the authenticity of certain tracks on the forthcoming album came about and were spawned out of jealousy. Straight and simple.

Tito's son's appear to have been counting on their tracks with Mike to make an appearance on the album and in process raise their public profiles, which have been non-existent and dormant for way over a decade now. Which is a PR calamity for all but forgotten stars trying to jumpstart flagging careers in the business.
Also of note, since Taj has been proven to have been present when Cascio's people delivered Mike's raw vocal tracks to the Estate and selected producers, he was able to hear the Cascio's tracks at their private unveiling/s.

The point is, there must be no doubt that he would have noticed the absence of Mike's backing vocals over the chorus of Breaking News and to a lesser extent the whole track. The inevitable result in MJ's case is a rough vocal demo without the benifit of Michael's polishing with his layered vocals etc, will sound quite different when compared to Mike's official releases. It's safe to assume 3T's tracks probably have more vocals by Mike too. With all this, Taj and co. clearly felt they had ammuntion against the Cascio's and the Estate months later (now) when he's received confirmation that 3T's tracks didn't make the final cut.

What other reason could there possibly be for him to wait until the very last minute to make it public knowledge that one of the most historically important musical releases ever may in fact be fraudulent!? Even when he made mention that he had these "doubts" right from the get-go!? Any rational person who claims to be as outraged and concerned as MJ's nephews and the comical LaToya Jackson (anyone recall 1993!?), surely would have become whistleblowers much earlier in the piece?

Furthermore, from a strictly business perspective, does anyone really believe, that a colossal worldwide conglomerate such as Sony/Epic would shell out hundreds of millions of dollars on supposed demo and unreleased tracks left behind by Michael Jackson, if there was any doubts about the authenticity!? If so, I highly doubt the higher ups were breaking out the bubbly after that deal was struck!

The procedures and exhaustive testing that Sony and the Estate have dually undertaken on the soon to be released songs has been more than adequate...Not to mention all the guarantors, such as Swedien, Phillanganes and Holly...etc.

Taking a closer look at what the Estate has achieved since Mike's death is astonishing when you consider how the general public perceived Michael in the years preceding June 25th 2009. I'm not going to list them all here in the interest of keeping this post from becoming an essay lol...But projects such as the Cirque Du Doleil deal, MJ Experience, TII etc...Have all filled the Estate coffers with loads of cash and enhanced Michael's reputation and public perception. Quite impressive really.

It's clear that the two men MJ entrusted his professional dealings to have been right on the money for the most part thus far and certainly appear to have Mike's best interests as the core for their longterm business plan. In other word, they have much less of a reason to be dishonest about anything MJ musically or otherwise, say than, I dunno, three disgruntled nephews?

Before I finish giving my opinions I have to mention that by vocalising their doubts about the Cascio tracks, the Jacksons knew the impact their claims would be fuelled within the painfully paranoid online fanbase, who they knew would overly analyze 'Breaking News', hear the lack of the all important MJ backing vocals etc and many would possibly conclude that the claims were legit. Combined with Mike singing in a lower register which I found refreshing, as I'm sure Mike did too, remember, Taj knew this as he was present at the Cascio/Estate drop off!

In conclusion, In my opinion, 'Breaking News' is a killer track and certainly has the potential to crack the mainstream in a way that MJ hasn't since the release of You Are Not Alone!

 

[cppounders]

I do believe in:
1st- My ears
2nd- My eyes
3rd- My thoughts
4th- Michael Jackson.

I don't believe in:
1st- Sony Music
2nd- The Estate
3rd- Teddy Riley
4th- TAJ Jackson
5th- John Mcclain
6th- John Branca
7th- Biased opinions from people who has no knowledge.
8th- etc.

Well, Michael Jackson believed in John Mcclain and John Branca enough to put them in charge of his Estate, so isn't that a bit contradictory?

 

[cppounders]

After returning to this thread and reading the last few pages, it's interesting to observe just how many members either have or are beginning to alter their initial opinions regarding 'Breaking News'.
This doesn't really surprise me when one sits back and considers what I believe is the bare reality of this entire fiasco.

It's all quite simple really...I believe the initial claims made by disgruntled members of the Jackson camp (namely 3T) about the authenticity of certain tracks on the forthcoming album came about and were spawned out of jealousy. Straight and simple.

Tito's son's appear to have been counting on their tracks with Mike to make an appearance on the album and in process raise their public profiles, which have been non-existent and dormant for way over a decade now. Which is a PR calamity for all but forgotten stars trying to jumpstart flagging careers in the business.
Also of note, since Taj has been proven to have been present when Cascio's people delivered Mike's raw vocal tracks to the Estate and selected producers, he was able to hear the Cascio's tracks at their private unveiling/s.

The point is, there must be no doubt that he would have noticed the absence of Mike's backing vocals over the chorus of Breaking News and to a lesser extent the whole track. The inevitable result in MJ's case is a rough vocal demo without the benifit of Michael's polishing with his layered vocals etc, will sound quite different when compared to Mike's official releases. It's safe to assume 3T's tracks probably have more vocals by Mike too. With all this, Taj and co. clearly felt they had ammuntion against the Cascio's and the Estate months later (now) when he's received confirmation that 3T's tracks didn't make the final cut.

What other reason could there possibly be for him to wait until the very last minute to make it public knowledge that one of the most historically important musical releases ever may in fact be fraudulent!? Even when he made mention that he had these "doubts" right from the get-go!? Any rational person who claims to be as outraged and concerned as MJ's nephews and the comical LaToya Jackson (anyone recall 1993!?), surely would have become whistleblowers much earlier in the piece?

Furthermore, from a strictly business perspective, does anyone really believe, that a colossal worldwide conglomerate such as Sony/Epic would shell out hundreds of millions of dollars on supposed demo and unreleased tracks left behind by Michael Jackson, if there was any doubts about the authenticity!? If so, I highly doubt the higher ups were breaking out the bubbly after that deal was struck!

The procedures and exhaustive testing that Sony and the Estate have dually undertaken on the soon to be released songs has been more than adequate...Not to mention all the guarantors, such as Swedien, Phillanganes and Holly...etc.

Taking a closer look at what the Estate has achieved since Mike's death is astonishing when you consider how the general public perceived Michael in the years preceding June 25th 2009. I'm not going to list them all here in the interest of keeping this post from becoming an essay lol...But projects such as the Cirque Du Doleil deal, MJ Experience, TII etc...Have all filled the Estate coffers with loads of cash and enhanced Michael's reputation and public perception. Quite impressive really.

It's clear that the two men MJ entrusted his professional dealings to have been right on the money for the most part thus far and certainly appear to have Mike's best interests as the core for their longterm business plan. In other word, they have much less of a reason to be dishonest about anything MJ musically or otherwise, say than, I dunno, three disgruntled nephews?

Before I finish giving my opinions I have to mention that by vocalising their doubts about the Cascio tracks, the Jacksons knew the impact their claims would be fuelled within the painfully paranoid online fanbase, who they knew would overly analyze 'Breaking News', hear the lack of the all important MJ backing vocals etc and many would possibly conclude that the claims were legit. Combined with Mike singing in a lower register which I found refreshing, as I'm sure Mike did too, remember, Taj knew this as he was present at the Cascio/Estate drop off!

In conclusion, In my opinion, 'Breaking News' is a killer track and certainly has the potential to crack the mainstream in a way that MJ hasn't since the release of You Are Not Alone!

Well said.

 

[bobmoo79]

Well, the kb/s on the stream might be different, but I doubt it. I recorded them in pure WAV forms, and if there's was any difference, there would have been some sounds or something still there, but there isn't. just pure silence. And about headphones and speakers - I use a pair of AKG K240s cans and a pair of Genelec monitors (I do music at a high standard) and I still can't hear nor find any difference.. As I stated earlier, I can record a video of me ripping the audio, mixing it and show the results if that helps and it's still gonna turn out with the same results.. Sorry if I come out as rude or something, I'm really not trying to be an ass..

Good work!
I listen on Sennheisers and I couldn't detect any difference in the songs either.
My original saved stream was low quality for the first couple of minutes for some reason, so I can't compare that. But the second half of the current song sounds identical to the one I heard on Monday.

 

[F D B]

Well, Michael Jackson believed in John Mcclain and John Branca enough to put them in charge of his Estate, so isn't that a bit contradictory?

No, to me it isn't.
Michael also trusted the Cascios, apparently. And look at the fuss THEY've created.
In all honesty, I believe Michael has been highly influenceable at certain times.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

After returning to this thread and reading the last few pages, it's interesting to observe just how many members either have or are beginning to alter their initial opinions regarding 'Breaking News'.
This doesn't really surprise me when one sits back and considers what I believe is the bare reality of this entire fiasco.

It's all quite simple really...I believe the initial claims made by disgruntled members of the Jackson camp (namely 3T) about the authenticity of certain tracks on the forthcoming album came about and were spawned out of jealousy. Straight and simple.

Tito's son's appear to have been counting on their tracks with Mike to make an appearance on the album and in process raise their public profiles, which have been non-existent and dormant for way over a decade now. Which is a PR calamity for all but forgotten stars trying to jumpstart flagging careers in the business.
Also of note, since Taj has been proven to have been present when Cascio's people delivered Mike's raw vocal tracks to the Estate and selected producers, he was able to hear the Cascio's tracks at their private unveiling/s.

The point is, there must be no doubt that he would have noticed the absence of Mike's backing vocals over the chorus of Breaking News and to a lesser extent the whole track. The inevitable result in MJ's case is a rough vocal demo without the benifit of Michael's polishing with his layered vocals etc, will sound quite different when compared to Mike's official releases. It's safe to assume 3T's tracks probably have more vocals by Mike too. With all this, Taj and co. clearly felt they had ammuntion against the Cascio's and the Estate months later (now) when he's received confirmation that 3T's tracks didn't make the final cut.

What other reason could there possibly be for him to wait until the very last minute to make it public knowledge that one of the most historically important musical releases ever may in fact be fraudulent!? Even when he made mention that he had these "doubts" right from the get-go!? Any rational person who claims to be as outraged and concerned as MJ's nephews and the comical LaToya Jackson (anyone recall 1993!?), surely would have become whistleblowers much earlier in the piece?

Furthermore, from a strictly business perspective, does anyone really believe, that a colossal worldwide conglomerate such as Sony/Epic would shell out hundreds of millions of dollars on supposed demo and unreleased tracks left behind by Michael Jackson, if there was any doubts about the authenticity!? If so, I highly doubt the higher ups were breaking out the bubbly after that deal was struck!

The procedures and exhaustive testing that Sony and the Estate have dually undertaken on the soon to be released songs has been more than adequate...Not to mention all the guarantors, such as Swedien, Phillanganes and Holly...etc.

Taking a closer look at what the Estate has achieved since Mike's death is astonishing when you consider how the general public perceived Michael in the years preceding June 25th 2009. I'm not going to list them all here in the interest of keeping this post from becoming an essay lol...But projects such as the Cirque Du Doleil deal, MJ Experience, TII etc...Have all filled the Estate coffers with loads of cash and enhanced Michael's reputation and public perception. Quite impressive really.

It's clear that the two men MJ entrusted his professional dealings to have been right on the money for the most part thus far and certainly appear to have Mike's best interests as the core for their longterm business plan. In other word, they have much less of a reason to be dishonest about anything MJ musically or otherwise, say than, I dunno, three disgruntled nephews?

Before I finish giving my opinions I have to mention that by vocalising their doubts about the Cascio tracks, the Jacksons knew the impact their claims would be fuelled within the painfully paranoid online fanbase, who they knew would overly analyze 'Breaking News', hear the lack of the all important MJ backing vocals etc and many would possibly conclude that the claims were legit. Combined with Mike singing in a lower register which I found refreshing, as I'm sure Mike did too, remember, Taj knew this as he was present at the Cascio/Estate drop off!

In conclusion, In my opinion, 'Breaking News' is a killer track and certainly has the potential to crack the mainstream in a way that MJ hasn't since the release of You Are Not Alone!

Excellent post! :clapping:

 

[cppounders]

No, to me it isn't.
Michael also trusted the Cascios, apparently. And look at the fuss THEY've created.
In all honesty, I believe Michael has been highly influenceable at certain times.

The fuss? Oh you mean "Breaking News?" It's a great song... you should give it a nice, objective listen.

"Monster" sounds killer also.

I'm GRATEFUL that we're getting what are some of his last written/recorded songs. I'd MUCH rather have these on the album than "Love Never Felt So Good."

 

[mj_insane]

I will never believe this shit , ever !

It is NOTTTTTT Michael singing .

It's all a money making scam . I feel sorry for the fans that are saying "oh I really think it's 100% MJ" . wake up , it has never been MJ . They have been craving music for so long that they will grab hold of anything and believe it . It's sad to watch .

It sounds like some bad audition from one if these talent shows or something....it's an absolute disgrace .

I will never buy this album , because what they are doing is fraud claiming it's someone that isn't singing , it's a very very bad impersonator .

If u all had any sense , neither would u buy the album !

 

[Big Apple2]

Tito's son's appear to have been counting on their tracks with Mike to make an appearance on the album and in process raise their public profiles, which have been non-existent and dormant for way over a decade now. Which is a PR calamity for all but forgotten stars trying to jumpstart flagging careers in the business.

Nobody is really talking about the fact that basically EVERYTIME a particular Jackson family member does not get their way, a project and/or thing is deemed to be FAKE!

The Will is FAKE!

The Executor's of the Estate should not be the Executor's of the Estate!

"This Is It" showcases a FAKE Michael Jackson!

Joe Jackson already made it clear that he does not support the Cirque du Soliel project.

I can only speak for myself, and I see a pattern of: "If I'm not included than it's a FAKE!"

They talk about preserving Michael's legacy, but in my opinion, they are doing more damage then anyone else with their continuous whining!

 

[Graf]

Bottom line is, it's irrelevant on the amount of Vocals Michael is on BN. They just need to get all "Questionable" songs off the album. They are playing with the fans emotions by putting a blatantly obvious questionable song. Get all the Cascio stuff off. If they don't, cancel the album.