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What do You Think Now???

  • Now im Sure Its Michael!!!

    Votes: 89 21.4%
  • I Still Think its Not him!!!

    Votes: 223 53.7%
  • I now think that its Michael, but still have my doubts!!

    Votes: 24 5.8%
  • Im Confused!!!!

    Votes: 79 19.0%

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    415
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Re: Regarding the news from the past couple of days....

I agree with everything, but i don't understand your part about Katherine's interview with Oprah. She said plenty of good things about her son, what exactly did you hope for? Just curious?

I was hoping she would rememeber how O backstabbed Michael in the past, and at the worst of times. I was hoping she would remember who H. Mann is and the history he has with Janet and Michael. I was hoping she would not partake in anything exploiting the kids/fans for money (ie the signed belts incident). I was hoping she would remember Michael repeatedly said he wanted his kids to have a normal childhood, and that being on TV, even to talk about their dad, is not part of any normal childhood (especially on O, of all ppl!!). That would have been HER job alone, as a mother, and with someone else.
I'm not in her head, dont know what her agenda is or even if she has one. I am just so confused, and frankly, disappointed.
 
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Do what i'll probably do. Just download the album minus the casico tracks. I'm still not convinced that it's Michael 100% on the song, but for now i will keep an open mind until more evidence for either way comes forward.
Yeah, I'll have to do that.

This will be the first album where I won't own all the tracks. I probably won't even buy the physical CD. This is ridiculous. :(
 
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"Exclusive: The Inside Story Behind Michael Jackson's Controversial New Song and Album"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-vogel/exclusive-the-inside-stor_b_781364.html

by Joe Vogel


Since Michael Jackson's untimely death in June of 2009, speculation has run rampant about the music he left behind. How much is there? How finished are the songs? What is the quality of the material? And how and when will it be released?

Over the course of writing and researching my forthcoming book, Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson (Sterling 2011), I was fortunate enough to take an in-depth look at Jackson's entire catalog--including the work he was engaged in during his final years. My sources worked closely with the King of Pop throughout his life and have been trustworthy and dependable throughout the five-year process of the book; therefore I feel confident with what I have learned about the material poised to appear on his forthcoming album, Michael.

A notorious perfectionist, Jackson always over-recorded. There are at least one hundred songs over the course of his solo career that did not make it onto his major albums. Some of those have already appeared on special editions and collections; others have leaked online in various forms; and many others have never been heard.

At midnight on November 8th, MichaelJackson.com streamed the first official song from the archives (excluding the early-Eighties demo, "This Is It," which was included as part of the companion album to the film of the same name). Even before its release, however, controversy surrounded "Breaking News" and the other so-called "Cascio tracks." The conversation has only intensified since then.

Predictably, little of that conversation has been about the content of the new track: the exceptionally ominous strings in the intro, its "Off the Wall"-esque chorus, or its signature Jackson indictment of a media that feeds on "breaking news" (read: scandals) with obsessive compulsion ("No matter what/ You just want to read it again"). Nor has much attention been given to the work of talented producer and longtime-Jackson friend, Teddy Riley, who gives the song a fresh but faithful sheen.

The irony, of course, is this is how Jackson's music has been received for decades, the substance overlooked in favor of sensationalism and distracting controversy. Yet part of it would no doubt bring a knowing smile to the man who once claimed he wanted to make his whole life "the greatest show on earth." Long before Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson was engaging artistically with both the monstrosity and allure of fame.

In "Breaking News," Jackson not only delivers his message, but anticipates the way it will be received. In one verse, he lashes out at those anxious to "write his obituary." In the chorus, he asks his listening audience, as he did throughout his career, who they project him to be: Is he the "boogieman" (a constructed monstrous figure) we're thinking of?

Certainly, by 2007 (the year in which "Breaking News" was recorded), he had learned how vicious and entrapping a lifetime in the spotlight could be. The previous two years he had been living as a vagabond, traveling from the Middle Eastern-island of Bahrain to the countryside of Ireland to a private chateau in Las Vegas. In the fall of 2007, he showed up with his children at the doorstep of his longtime friends, the Cascios, in Franklin Lakes, New Jersey. Jackson had been close to the Cascio family for nearly twenty years. During that time, they never once betrayed him for tabloid money (in spite of many offers), but showed him loyalty and allowed him a sense of normalcy he couldn't often enjoy. In the program at Jackson's funeral they are referred to as "the First Family of Love."

Jackson stayed with the Cascios for nearly four months and, along with Frank Cascio, Eddie (Angel) Cascio, and singer James Porte (aka Bobby Ewing), engaged in some of his most sustained recording since before his 2005 trial. Three songs created during these sessions are expected to appear on Jackson's new album, including "Breaking News," "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster," all of which Jackson co-wrote. During his time in New Jersey, Jackson also recorded vocals for Thriller 25, which was released in 2008.

Beyond the Cascios, several people close to Jackson were familiar with his work in New Jersey. He mentioned to these people that he was "excited" about the work he and the Cascios had generated. According to Jackson's longtime friend and manager, Frank Dileo, Jackson planned to have recording equipment brought to London during his 02 concert series so he could finalize some of his latest music.

The first of the Cascio tracks to be heard--"Breaking News"--obviously isn't a perfect realization of Jackson's abilities. Receiving the most critical attention are Jackson's vocals, the veracity of which even some family and fans are questioning. There are understandable reasons for this. This certainly isn't a "typical" Jackson recording: there weren't extensive warm ups with longtime vocal coach Seth Riggs, no layering and polishing by Jackson himself, no Bruce Swedien and world-class studio technology to capture the original vocal. This was a guide demo, supplemented by the supporting vocals of James Porte (for which he is credited), and produced nearly four years later by Teddy Riley.

Riley, who first began working with Jackson in the early Nineties, found it emotionally difficult to complete the unfinished work of his late friend. To tap into his inspiration, Riley had photographer Harrington Funk surround him with pictures of the singer. "That was the only thing to keep me sane, and not go crazy while I'm working," said Riley. "Because, you know, it would come out on the music if you hear me banging on the keyboards with tears coming out of my eyes."

Riley said his fundamental motivation was to extend the legacy of a friend. He approached the tracks, therefore, not attempting to overly embellish, but simply to fill in the best he could. His guiding thought was: "What would Michael want?" He even brought sounds Jackson had him record from previous sessions. The final product, of course, is an approximation. But for Riley it was a labor of love.

It wasn't until Riley submitted his work, and three of the songs were accepted by Sony for the album, that the controversy began. Certain individuals--some with noble intentions, some less so--began expressing concerns about the authenticity of the vocals. These concerns were taken seriously by Jackson's Estate. Attorney Howard Weitzman was asked by estate co-executors John Branca and John McClain to conduct a thorough investigation of the authenticity of the Cascio tracks. The Estate, after all, had a lot to lose if the tracks were fraudulent. Since Jackson's death, by all accounts, it had done a masterful job of preserving and enhancing the artist's legacy, including the release of the highest-grossing concert documentary film of all time (This Is It), a new music video collection (Michael Jackson's Vision), a Jackson-themed video game (Michael Jackson: The Experience), a groundbreaking show with Cirque du Soliel ("Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour"), and the biggest recording contract in popular music history.

Perhaps just as important, the Estate had passed on numerous deals, selecting only a handful of projects it felt were worthy of Jackson's name. Risking the substantial credibility it had established amongst both fans and critics for a handful of questionable tracks would have been reckless at best (for Sony as well, who had invested over $200 million dollars on the singer's posthumous projects).

In spite of Jackson's close relationship with the Cascios, therefore, the Estate certainly didn't accept them on blind faith. The Estate invited four of Jackson's primary engineers over the past thirty years, three producers who had worked with Jackson (including Teddy Riley), and spoke to one of the musicians that had worked with Michael over the years and who had also contributed to one of the Cascio tracks. Each of them listened to the a cappella version of the vocals on the Cascio tracks without any musical accompaniment so that they could give an opinion as to whether or not the lead vocals on the Cascio tracks were sung by Jackson. To a person they all confirmed that the vocal was definitely Michael Jackson. These engineers, producers and musicians are all people Jackson trusted and whose names would be very familiar to Jackson's fans.

In addition, at the request of John Branca and John McClain, Howard Weitzman retained one of the best known forensic musicologists in the nation to listen to the a cappella vocals and compare them with a cappella vocals from previously known Jackson songs. This expert performed waveform analysis, an objective scientific procedure, and found that all of the vocals were the voice of Michael Jackson.

Sony Music conducted its own investigation by hiring a second well-respected forensic musicologist who also compared the raw vocals from the Cascio tracks against known vocals of Jackson's and found that it was Jackson's voice on both sets of the compared vocals.
The Cascio tracks were also played for two of the most significant people in the music industry who played crucial roles in Jackson's career. Both of these individuals believe that the vocals are those of Michael Jackson.

It was also specifically verified that the vocals did not belong to well-known Jackson impersonator, Jason Malachi.

The results of this exhaustive investigation confirmed Sony's belief that the songs submitted by the Estate all contained authentic Michael Jackson vocals. The decision was therefore made to include three of the Cascio tracks on Michael. Other tracks will likely be included on future albums of unreleased material.

While these are not perfectly realized tracks--as no posthumous material can be--there is certainly much to appreciate. The Cascio tracks represent, after all, some of the last work Jackson ever wrote and recorded. It wasn't ready to be released, but then, Jackson wasn't ready to die.

"Breaking News," "Monster," "Hold My Hand" and the rest of the tracks that comprise Michael are, similar to the This Is It documentary, fragments of an unfinished vision. They aren't all the polished, perfectionist-Michael Jackson people are accustomed to, but they are him, and what some of his closest friends and collaborators felt his fans deserved to hear.


Sony PR machine full in work in the media now, I see.....

Now, I don't question whether or not MJ worked with the Cascios. We know he did. I think the Cascios may not even be the bad guys here and maybe all what they gave to the Estate was genuine. BUT something has happened to this track until it became the finished product. Whether it was the Estate's or Sony's doing, I don't know.

And I have to say, regardless if they are real or fake, the Cascio tracks are not good. Monster is especially a bad song. I don't know why Sony wants to include so many of these songs on the album when we know there are better songs MJ did....
 
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Breaking News and some other snippets we heard are NOT Michael. He sang 2000 watts differently, but you can still identify him easily.
 
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does anyone know what happened at sony yesterday any update on there meeting please?
 
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He's got awful grammar/spelling.
Sorry, but why is his grammar and spelling important?? would the song be more real or more fake if he had perfect linguistic skills??

He has yet to give us any proof to suggest that the person singing on that song is Michael Jackson. It largely seems like he's avoiding giving a straight answer to the question
Hmm, he is saying he was given the vocals to work with and that he thinks they are done by MJ... how in the world would he be able to say anything else??
 
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to be honest I think this is getting way silly, I do think it is mj on breaking news and def on the other tracks.. on breakingnews he's using a different kinda voice, Im pretty sure its him, though there maybe alot of processing.. next your be saying its that David Basset guy impersonating him!! but hey I respect your opinions no matter what.

You go on believing that if you want to. :)

I'm not going to be able to convince about what's going on but all I can say is I've been an avid MJ fan for almost 30 years now and I promise you, most of "Breaking News" is not Michael. The real MJ is in there, but it's mostly not him. But, like I said...you believe what you want to. :)

But no, this isn't silly. Michael would be legitimately angry if he knew what Sony was doing by hiring a stand-in to fill out the vocals. So no, we as fans being a little upset over this is not one bit silly.
 
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I hold Teddy up there to be in my top 3 producers. He's produced some albums which never leave my car CD stacker (yeah, I still use one of those), but I don't agree with him on this case.

I'd LOVE to hear what Janet has to say about this track.
 
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^^^I've always felt the same way about TR. But I do think money's been passed around throughout this...some deals have been made and people do know the truth.

I'd also love to hear what Janet's take is. We already know LaToya doesn't think it's him.
 
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^^^I've always felt the same way about TR. But I do think money's been passed around throughout this...some deals have been made and people do know the truth.

I'd also love to hear what Janet's take is. We already know LaToya doesn't think it's him.

I think LaToya is jumping on the bandwagon though.No matter her opinion, I'll be ignoring it!
 
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its kinda funny u know, mj prob has the most known voice in music history...

there at it!!!

i do hear mj in bits of breaking news, but its those lead vocals man.

u would think sum1 would have came foward and said sumthing by now.

this is why i think its a pr stunt

at the end of the week it be shown.

if am wrong then offt am gonna walk in to sony with a pitch fork and torch!
 
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I say it again!!!.
If thouse songs finally make the Album we must not buy it.
We should stand up against Sony or they will destroy Michael Jackson's Legacy.
 
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I say it again!!!.
If thouse songs finally make the Album we must not buy it.
We should stand up against Sony or they will destroy Michael Jackson's Legacy.

1000% right on. No way I'm buying this if it's released with songs by an imposter.
 
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i say just throw ALL cascios tracks 2 the wayside if they all sound like jason malachi...i mean....u get my drift.
 
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That's cool, Aprilshack. Maybe she's jumping on the bandwagon, but she's right.

My point is this.If someone offered her a big wad of money to change her mind, she would take it.I wouldn't be shocked if her opinion changed.

Is she right? I don't know. It isn't an absolute impossibility it isn't Michael on the track, but I have my doubts like most people on here!
 
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i say just throw ALL cascios tracks 2 the wayside if they all sound like jason malachi...i mean....u get my drift.

Yup yup. They have to dump the Cascio tracks or they're going to lose a lot of money in sales from us hardcore fans. I'm not gonna buy a Malachi album co-starring Michael Jackson.
 
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David Basset had this to say "it's definitley not me singing on the track, i'm not saying is mj either but i'm not saying it isn't, I would say 80% of me believes its him"
 
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THEY HAVE NO CHOICE but to dump the Cascio tracks. If there is even a shred of doubt, they can't release them.

Hell, if they truly, truly think they are him, release an EP sometime in the future.

But who am I kidding, it's 100% NOT Michael Jackson. I've heard all the song that have been leaked and they are not him. The one that is stands out immediately as him.

This is MICHAEL JACKSON for goodness sake!!!
 
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If this is Michael, then the song is trash. fans are never satisfied, never. Even if the put Opera on here , some would vomit.
This is how internet works, the pile of doo doo grows exponentially if everybody becomes a critic.




Anyway if I were Sony high executive right now, I would act, there are few options

- if the songs are fraud, make a short and clear press conference and explain the mess. Then I would stop the release of album indefinitely. It's pointless it's over, the sales will be very bad, no matter what. From PR point of view is over.

- If the songs are not fraud, again a press conference, with independent expert audiologists, and Cascio, engineers participating.
I would explain in depth about demos, and how they did it.
I would take out the Braking News song as single and just put it on the album. If one of those Cascio tracks are weaker than BN then take it out completely, even if it's Mike. It's too late now, even for Michael Jackson.




Sincerely as I am disappointed now, better stop any release of Michael Jackson ever. Because he is finished. After 1999-2000 he was finished in eyes of fans and public anyway. It was over with Mike before him dying. Metaphorically he died years ago.... All of us abandoned him, as musical genius we abandoned him, letting him alone, to make home recordings... And now we can puke easily when we hear them.

Go listen to Lady Gaga and other hotties now. Way better than Mike ever did these awful years.... At least for many of fans...
 
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If this is Michael, then the song is trash. fans are never satisfied, never. Even if the put Opera on here , some would vomit.
This is how internet works, the pile of doo doo grows exponentially if everybody becomes a critic.




Anyway if I were Sony high executive right now, I would act, there are few options

- if the songs are fraud, make a short and clear press conference and explain the mess. Then I would stop the release of album indefinitely. It's pointless it's over, the sales will be very bad, no matter what. From PR point of view is over.

- If the songs are not fraud, again a press conference, with independent expert audiologists, and Cascio, engineers participating.
I would explain in depth about demos, and how they did it.
I would take out the Braking News song as single and just put it on the album. If one of those Cascio tracks are weaker than BN then take it out completely, even if it's Mike. It's too late now, even for Michael Jackson.




Sincerely as I am disappointed now, better stop any release of Michael Jackson ever. Because he is finished. After 1999-2000 he was finished in eyes of fans and public anyway. It was over with Mike before him dying. Metaphorically he died years ago.... All of us abandoned him, as musical genius we abandoned him, letting him alone, to make home recordings... And now we can puke easily when we hear them.

Go listen to Lady Gaga and other hotties now. Way better than Mike ever did these awful years.... At least for many of fans...

Speaking for myself, I have never, nor will I ever, abandon Michael

All that needs to be done is remove the questionable tracks.If Sony are so sure they are real, offer proof & keep for release at a later date.
 
Butterfly;3063704 said:
Michael Jackson’s Estate To Make An Announcement

Michael Jackson’s Estate will be making an announcement regarding the release of Michael Jackson’s Breaking News.

Stay tuned for more updates…

http://mjstar.co.uk/?p=3756

Let me guess what they will say...We stand by our previous statements!?:smilerolleyes:

Hopefully, I am wrong and they will remove the questionable tracks!? But, judging from the recent articles from the media, I highly doubt it!:ph34r:
 
Butterfly;3063704 said:
Michael Jackson’s Estate To Make An Announcement

Michael Jackson’s Estate will be making an announcement regarding the release of Michael Jackson’s Breaking News.

Stay tuned for more updates…

http://mjstar.co.uk/?p=3756


hopefully everything will be cleared up.
 
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If this is Michael, then the song is trash. fans are never satisfied, never. Even if the put Opera on here , some would vomit.
This is how internet works, the pile of doo doo grows exponentially if everybody becomes a critic.




Anyway if I were Sony high executive right now, I would act, there are few options

- if the songs are fraud, make a short and clear press conference and explain the mess. Then I would stop the release of album indefinitely. It's pointless it's over, the sales will be very bad, no matter what. From PR point of view is over.

- If the songs are not fraud, again a press conference, with independent expert audiologists, and Cascio, engineers participating.
I would explain in depth about demos, and how they did it.
I would take out the Braking News song as single and just put it on the album. If one of those Cascio tracks are weaker than BN then take it out completely, even if it's Mike. It's too late now, even for Michael Jackson.




Sincerely as I am disappointed now, better stop any release of Michael Jackson ever. Because he is finished. After 1999-2000 he was finished in eyes of fans and public anyway. It was over with Mike before him dying. Metaphorically he died years ago.... All of us abandoned him, as musical genius we abandoned him, letting him alone, to make home recordings... And now we can puke easily when we hear them.

Go listen to Lady Gaga and other hotties now. Way better than Mike ever did these awful years.... At least for many of fans...


I'm sorry but that's pushing a bit way too far. You are entitled to have your opinion and to speak for yourself, but not in my name.

Personally I have never abandonned Mike, and I have always defended him and his music even through the darkest years of his life!

I enjoy all Mike's songs, even the demo remixes such as We Be Ballin' You or other leaked unreleased songs and play them frequently in my car or at home. I have never stopped and I will never have enough of Michael!

It's not because Mike knew some dark years that he is finished. I refuse to believe that.

Marketing and selling and charts are one thing, being a genious is another. And if the majority doesn't want to listen to Mike any more, I do not care, cuz I am still continuing to listen to that genious.

Breaking News, Mike or not, who cares again, it's just a song. Some believe it's him, some not, well so what? We all know it's his post mortem release by a third party. All his legacy until 2009 will be protected. The rest that will come out from the vaults are secondary things. Michael has nothing to prove any more anyway.
 
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I went to sleep feeling quite positive that everyone was on the same page - recognising the fake tracks and wanting to force Sony's hand in removing them. But now I wake up and see that some people are still in denial. Honestly, I don't understand how you can hear Breaking News or Monster and believe it's MJ. It's nothing like him. I can't even stress myself by arguing anymore.

I'm just anxious to see what happens next. The idea of an album being released with some impostor singing main vocals is just too upsetting. To not buy it won't solve this problem. The album will still be out there - tarnishing Michael's legacy. To be honest I can't believe this is happening.

I don't believe that Sony were handed these tracks and they simply produced them into shape. Can't you hear how Breaking News is a cut and paste collage? Michael's real oohs and ahhs have been taken from elsewhere and pasted over the song while someone else does a VERY exaggerated Michael Jackson impression on the main lyrics. 'Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson-AH'. :no:
 
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All of us abandoned him, as musical genius we abandoned him, letting him alone, to make home recordings... And now we can puke easily when we hear them.

Not really, I never did, and considering how little promotion and how few singles were released from Invincible it was quite a big hit.
 
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Tipareth, I agree with SOME of what you are saying.

This album is finshed. It will now flop if released.

This will be, effectively, the beginning of the end, in terms of Michael being relevant in today's music scene. This album, if successful, had the potential to push Michael on even futher than before. It could have proved, to a new generation of music lovers, that he had recent music that was quality and relevant - but the 'fans' - and I use that term loosely - have helped destroy this opportunity, due to their own selfish desires and agendas.

I hope they are proud of themselves.
 
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