Atheist thread

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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This is why I don't get people from the LGBTT community being believers.Most religious people hate them and use their gods as their imaginary judge to discriminate and isolate them. Forgot to add, these were some "loving" comments I found on that interview Bruce Jenner made opening up about her transition to a transgender woman to that hag Diane Sawyer.


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[MJresearcher]

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These people don't seem to understand that their beliefs are irrelevant to Bruce and every other transgender person. What's important here is reality and that trumps belief. The problem with bigots is that they're so wrapped up in their own perspective that they refuse to make an effort to understand the opposite perspective and go on the attack. It's sad to see that happen. I also think the "God doesn't make mistakes" argument is a very bad one. These people think that people are supposed to be one gender and stay that way. What of intersex people born with both male and female genitalia then? The decision about what gender they will be is often decided after they're born and they're assigned a gender but sometimes when the child reaches puberty they may identify as the opposite gender of what they were assigned and now it's too late.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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^^Exactly, it's not their fault their gender identity doesn't match with their chromosomes. Gender identity is how individuals assume/identify themselves regardless of their genitalia. Let's supposed for a moment gods, goddesses are real and can't go wrong, (Yahweh in particular, since he's the one with the most followers) there would be no LBGTT people, there wouldn't be handicapped, people with deformities and physical defects since they are an abomination to him.

Why do people with those "problems" continue to born if he doesn't make mistakes? As a person who was born prematurely when my mother was 6 months of gestation and have used a walker almost all my life, I find these bible passages deeply offensive to my persona. I bet any other sane and sensible person with similar situations would agree with me.

Leviticus 21:17-24 - "Say to Aaron: 'For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.' " So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites.


Lev.21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

 

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[analogue]

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If a doctor tells you he/she works in ''mysterious ways'' would you trust him/her?

 

[HIStory]

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[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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It'd be a lot scarier if Yahweh was president of the world as it's depicted in the bible.

Mrs. Betty Bowers explained Religious Freedom. "If I discriminate against or criticize you, it's called religious freedom. If you return the favor, it's called persecution." Spot on as usual.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: Athesit Thread (For non-believers only)

If a doctor tells you he/she works in ''mysterious ways'' would you trust him/her?

Nope! Plus, if god was the doctor he'd make you sick so he could heal you and have you thank him for it.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I want to take the opportunity of having this thread to stat what would more likely get me banned if I say so in the thread of that backstabbing bastard. I'm absolutely glad the judge acted with sensibility, ethically according to the law, I thank him. And I thank the efforts the Estate lawyer put into this proving how idiotic and ridiculous that lawsuit was. I understand their enthusiasm but it's kind of a buzzkill they give credit to that usurper. It's because of the lawyers and the judge that scumbag won't be able to sue Michael again, not their imaginary friend.

 

[analogue]

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Nope! Plus, if god was the doctor he'd make you sick so he could heal you and have you thank him for it.

If god was the doctor he'd just make you sick. And he'd never cure you, because he works in mysterious ways. But he'd still expect you to worship him

 

[HIStory]

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[kevin_1990]

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End of the day religion causes so much war and deaths now hows that living in peace john lennon had the right idea 'Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today...' people need to live for today enjoy your life not live it trying to please someone who might not even be real.

 

[HIStory]

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[analogue]

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With the recent Catlin Jenner thread that's appeared here, I really hate it when religious people go out of their way to tell transgender people that they're wrong and that god doesn't make mistakes. This is another reason why I'm anti-religious.

 

[SoCav]

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With the recent Catlin Jenner thread that's appeared here, I really hate it when religious people go out of their way to tell transgender people that they're wrong and that god doesn't make mistakes. This is another reason why I'm anti-religious.

It's painfully ironic too...

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: Athesit Thread (For non-believers only)

I'm totally against any type of genital mutilation in the name of any god or religious tradition in both girls and boys, even more knowing some babies brought into Jewish households have died because rabbis have passed them STDS when they take away the foreskin with their mouth. Being an African girl in a Muslim country is horrific because many of them are made to go through genital mutilation removing the clitoris, or even worse when they cut the entire vulva sewing the remaining tissue to leave a tiny hole to pee. Many of them bleed to death. But god(s) is/are all knowing, all wise doesn't make mistakes.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Talking about FGM, Nigeria made history banning such barbaric tradition. That's good news for the little Nigerian girl, hoping it's indeed enforced and more Muslim African countries and some of the Middle East follow its example.

History Has Been Made. Female Genital Mutilation Banned In Nigeria."More than 130 million girls and women have experienced female genital mutilation or cutting ..."
by Kimberley Richards Jun 3, 2015

Nigeria made history by outlawing female genital mutilation. The ban falls under the Violence Against Persons (Prohibition) Act 2015 that was passed in Senate on May 5 and recently enacted into law.


This was one of the last acts by the outgoing president, Goodluck Jonathan. His successor, Muhammadu Buhari, was sworn into office this past Friday, May 29.


Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the act of either partially or totally removing the external female genitalia or causing injury to the female genital organs for non-medical purposes.


According to UNICEF:


"More than 130 million girls and women have experienced FGM/C in 29 countries in Africa and the Middle East where the practice is most common."


With the help of community activism, campaigns and numbers of organizational efforts to end this practice, UNICEF reported that teenage girls were now one-third less likely to undergo FGM/C today than 30 years ago.


Now with the new law criminalizing this procedure, the hope is the ban will fully eliminate this practice and be strongly enforced to combat any existing societal pressures.


The World Health Organization cites immediate harmful effects of FCM/C that include hemorrhage (bleeding), bacterial infection, open sores, and long-term consequences that include infertility, childbirth complications and recurring bladder infections.


In another UNICEF report, communities who practice FGM often do so to reduce sexual desire in women and to initiate girls to womanhood, among other purposes.


According to "The Guardian's" analysis of 2014 UN data, a quarter of the women in Nigeria have undergone FGM.


Stella Mukasa, director of Gender, Violence and Rights at the International Center for Research on Women, explains the complexity of the implementation of the new law banning FGM/C.


"It is crucial that we scale up efforts to change traditional cultural views that underpin violence against women," she wrote in an article for "The Guardian." "Only then will this harmful practice be eliminated.”


Under hashtag #VAPPBIll, Twitter users celebrated the bill's passing.

http://aplus.com/a/nigeria-bans-genital-mutilation?so=DcNoxqGcweXSK8aBSY9S3n&ref=ns

 

[HIStory]

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Like this song.

 

[analogue]

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Here's something I never understood about prayer. What's the point in putting both your hands together? Can god not hear you if you don't do that?

 

[Antwort]

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Talk of unicorns in another thread (which has in the meantime been closed) made me find this next image and I thought you guys might enjoy

oh, and btw.....i am NOT an atheist. Sure hope I haven't broken any rule by steppin' in here

 

[MJresearcher]

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Talk of unicorns in another thread (which has in the meantime been closed) made me find this next image and I thought you guys might enjoy

oh, and btw.....i am NOT an atheist. Sure hope I haven't broken any rule by steppin' in here

I don't think you've broken a rule, I think it's just that both this thread and the one for believers are kept separate from each other in the interest of not having it blow up into a debate where it gets too heated and the topic has to be locked. I like the image you posted.

 

[Doggone]

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I'm totally against any type of genital mutilation in the name of any god or religious tradition in both girls and boys, even more knowing some babies brought into Jewish households have died because rabbis have passed them STDS when they take away the foreskin with their mouth. Being an African girl in a Muslim country is horrific because many of them are made to go through genital mutilation removing the clitoris, or even worse when they cut the entire vulva sewing the remaining tissue to leave a tiny hole to pee. Many of them bleed to death. But god(s) is/are all knowing, all wise doesn't make mistakes.

Okay, this is bullshit. This only in happens in Somalia, where this is cultural matter. This has nothing to do with Islam. Get your facts straight.

End of the day religion causes so much war and deaths now hows that living in peace john lennon had the right idea 'Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today...' people need to live for today enjoy your life not live it trying to please someone who might not even be real.

Bullshit too. You don't see people blaming the citizens, because of their government decide to have war. Just because an amount of people are practicing the religion in a wrong way, doesn't mean it's the religion's fault.

 

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Re: Athesit Thread (For non-believers only)

I don't think you've broken a rule, I think it's just that both this thread and the one for believers are kept separate from each other in the interest of not having it blow up into a debate where it gets too heated and the topic has to be locked. I like the image you posted.

And the post above mine just proves the righteousness of such an idea, right? I totally understand the policy of MJJC and they are right in avoiding such arguments and confrontations.

I personally don't need to agree with anyone on every single last issue in order to have a conversation with them. Just because I am a Christian, unlike you folks in this thread, it doesn't mean we can't all agree on the fact that Michael was no child molester. By the same token, I try not to judge people based solely on their misconceptions about Michael, they still may have something interesting and worthwhile to say.....

I guess one of the most challenging things on this earth is being able to put up with one another's failures and shortcomings. After all, we all are finite, imperfect beings trying to make some sense out of this whole thing called life. The believer in me thinks we are all sinners, the only differences being the ways in which we sin, but I know that perspective is not true of everybody and I firmly respect that.

My attitude stems mainly from the idea that Christ reached out to EVERYONE. What is the reward in loving only those who love us back? I think the major point of Christianity is just that - to love everyone, irrespective of differences. Unfortunately, others seem to focus on other messages in the Gospels. But anyway, those are "internal issues" which do not concern you guys.

All the best to you all

 

[HIStory]

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[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Okay, this is bullshit. This only in happens in Somalia, where this is cultural matter. This has nothing to do with Islam. Get your facts straight.

You're the one who's not getting the facts straight. Yeah, only in Somalia, RIGHT!

[h=1]WHERE IS IT PRACTICED?[/h]WHO estimates that between 100 million and 140 million women and girls worldwide have been subjected to FGM. Three million girls and women a year are at risk of mutilation - approximately 8000 girls per day. It has been documented mainly in Africa (in 28 countries), and in a few countries in the Middle East (e.g. Yemen, Kurdish communities, Saudi Arabia), Asia and among certain ethnic groups in Central and South America. Anecdotal evidence and case studies show that FGM is now being encountered in various European countries as well.
Prevalence rates in Africa vary between countries. Countries with high prevalence rates (> 85%) are for example Somalia, Egypt and Mali. Low prevalence rates (< 30%) are found in for example Senegal, Central African Republic and Nigeria.
Prevalence rates also vary within countries and regions; the decisive criteria being ethnicity. For example, of the 23 percent of Yemeni women who have undergone FGM procedures, the figure rises to 69% in the sparsely-populated Red Sea and Aden coastal regions, compared with 15 percent in the heavily-populated highlands and five percent in plateau and desert regions (DHS Survey 1997).

http://www.endfgm.eu/en/female-genital-mutilation/what-is-fgm/where-is-it-practised/

I'm aware the FGM is not even written in the Qu'ran and I never said it occured due to the religion the girls were brought into but it's true the girls who predominatly go through that practice are raised in Muslim households.

[h=1]WHY IS IT PRACTICED?[/h]There are several reasons provided to justify the practice of female genital mutilation:

• Control over women&#8217;s sexuality: Virginity is a pre-requisite for marriage and is equated to female honour in a lot of communities. FGM, in particular infibulation, is defended in this context as it is assumed to reduce a woman&#8217;s sexual desire and lessen temptations to have extramarital sex thereby preserving a girl&#8217;s virginity.
• Hygiene: There is a belief that female genitalia are unsightly and dirty. In some FGM-practicing societies, unmutilated women are regarded as unclean and are not allowed to handle food and water.
• Gender based factors: FGM is often deemed necessary in order for a girl to be considered a complete woman, and the practice marks the divergence of the sexes in terms of their future roles in life and marriage. The removal of the clitoris and labia &#8212; viewed by some as the &#8220;male parts&#8221; of a woman&#8217;s body &#8212; is thought to enhance the girl&#8217;s femininity, often synonymous with docility and obedience. It is possible that the trauma of mutilation may have this effect on a girl&#8217;s personality. If mutilation is part of an initiation rite, then it is accompanied by explicit teaching about the woman&#8217;s role in her society.
• Cultural identity: In certain communities, where mutilation is carried out as part of the initiation into adulthood, FGM defines who belongs to the community. In such communities, a girl cannot be considered an adult in a FGM-practicing society unless she has undergone FGM.
• Religion: FGM predates Islam and is not practiced by the majority of Muslims, but it has acquired a religious dimension. Where it is practiced by Muslims, religion is frequently cited as a reason. Many of those who oppose mutilation deny that there is any link between the practice and religion, but Islamic leaders are not unanimous on the subject. Although predominant among Muslims, FGM also occurs among Christians, animists and Jews.

http://www.endfgm.eu/en/female-genital-mutilation/what-is-fgm/why-is-it-practised/

 

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[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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It's outrageous there's no commandment on not torturing and abusing children by "god's soldiers."

 

[KOPV]

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I struggle with what I believe in myself but I cannot believe how ignorant some people are regarding religion, cultures, and scripture.. That goes for both atheists and believers. One of the biggest issues we have in our world is the lack of education regarding "other" religions and cultures and the indoctrination of ones personal beliefs onto others while using the name of God or Science to chastise others.

I dare everyone to actually know what other religions are before making statements connecting cult like actions to a specific religion.. terrorists and those who do actions of genocide are as Islamic as KKK are Christian.. THEY ARE NOT!!

This goes for even what people believe in there own 'faith' - people forget religion is created by man.. even IF what is written on a biblical book were to be true, religion uses the book and mixes personal beliefs/interpretation, social status, and politics to create a blue print to fallow for more reasons than just making it to happen. Any GOOD world religion class would teach that, even the reasons of the separation between religions.. there are what feels like 100 different sectors of Christianity for REASONS. and most are not about heaven.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Those terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, ISIL, etc are in fact Muslims. The difference with the majority of the people adherent to Islam and those groups is that ISIL, ISIS, etc follow their holy book, the Qur'an to the letter. Few of the things commanded in the Qur'an are to behead infidels in battle and force convertion to the Islam but it's true the majority of Muslims not adherent to those groups would never commit such heinous acts.

Brother Rashid is not even atheist he's a former Muslim who converted to Christianity.

 

[KOPV]

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^ Have you actually read the quran or are you someone that can google and find things to back your statement?

I have lived in a country of Islamic faith, I lived it...

In the bible it speaks of stoning to death and sacrificing of animals. Two things hat Christians do not believe in or do...

Terrorist groups believe they are muslim the same way KKK members believe they are Christian..they do not speak for the every day Christian/Islamic person.