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Anyone find religion scary ?

elusive moonwalker said:
i find it laughable that in the 21 century you still have ppl who believe in such illogical notions. iguess its from being brainwashed as kids. well if its gets them through the day!
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Illogical? No. Trans-rational, yes. And insulting religion from the perspective of an atheist certainly doesn't make one to be rational, 'laughable' and 'brainwashing' are attributes derived from biased perception as well. It's hypocritical to be downgrading a belief when simultaneously expressing one's own (as truthful/fact).
 
I was muslim, now catholic.

Religion in moderation, to me, is right and beautiful. In extreme, it is dangerous and evil.
 
My parents, while both not being religious, come from different religious backgrounds, my mother a Catholic and my father a Muslim. I went to a Church of England school, where we would go to Church once a week, study the Bible and pray each day. My father also took us to mosque on Eid, so I've come to learn quite a bit about religion, and no it doesn't scare me, it fascinates me, I wouldn't say I'm atheist, because I do believe in God, but I don't include myself to a certain religion, as of yet. I guess I'm classed as agnostic.
 
raz2911 said:
My parents, while both not being religious, come from different religious backgrounds, my mother a Catholic and my father a Muslim. I went to a Church of England school, where we would go to Church once a week, study the Bible and pray each day. My father also took us to mosque on Eid, so I've come to learn quite a bit about religion, and no it doesn't scare me, it fascinates me, I wouldn't say I'm atheist, because I do believe in God, but I don't include myself to a certain religion, as of yet. I guess I'm classed as agnostic.
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I think the general classification of agnostic (I am one as well) is that you hold the existence or non-existence of a deity within the realm of possibilities, but you acknowledge that neither can be proven as fact. It is a matter of personal faith. Some agnostics tend more towards the existence of a deity, others more towards atheism. I guess you'd be in the former category :)

PS: don't confuse agnosticism with being non-religious btw. If you claim to know that God exists but you just haven't subscribed to any particular religion, you are not agnostic. However, if you do not know that God exists but you choose to believe He does, you are agnostic.
 
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I don't find religion scary at all. In fact I am really just fascinated by all the different religions there is. Christianity and Hinduism are 2 of the religions that fascinates me the most. Though for a while when we still had Michael. I had totally turn my back on God and just totally stopped believing in him. I was brought up as a Brethren or a German Baptist. And turning your back on God especially Jesus is a very wrong thing to do. Especially when the Brethrens is all about continuing the works of Jesus. And use the New Testament as our daily guide for living. And plus with me being an Amish and Mennonite descendant it was more than wrong for me to stopped believing in God and Jesus. Ever since what had happen to Michael I had gone back to believing in God and Jesus again. It is something I have to do now. Especially if I want to be in the same place where my beloved Michael is now.
 
LindavG said:
I think the general classification of agnostic (I am one as well) is that you hold the existence or non-existence of a deity within the realm of possibilities, but you acknowledge that neither can be proven as fact. It is a matter of personal faith. Some agnostics tend more towards the existence of a deity, others more towards atheism. I guess you'd be in the former category :)

PS: don't confuse agnosticism with being non-religious btw. If you claim to know that God exists but you just haven't subscribed to any particular religion, you are not agnostic. However, if you do not know that God exists but you choose to believe He does, you are agnostic.
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I define myself as an atheist agnostic. I'm an atheist concerning the god of the Bible (or Quran or any other religion I know, for that matter), but I'm open to the possibility there might be something out there outside of the religions we know, so there I'm agnostic. I don't find it likely though, so even that agnostic part of me is leaning more towards atheism than deism.
 
Mikage Souji said:
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the notion of believing in a complex being or set of beings who rule the universe and people (illogical, yes.) However, when these abstract musings and hypotheses are concreted into an organized set of religions, and the principles behind these organized manners of worship are applied to things outside of religion in a way which is very much reminiscent of organized religion, there is much to fear, because the masses appear to be greatly susceptible to that appeal.
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Yep. As far as I'm concerned people can believe in whatever they choose to. Yahwe, Allah, Krishna, UFOs planting life on Earth, whatever. The dangerous thing is when they want to dictate everybody else's life too! When they want to tell others what's wrong and what's right and how to live based on their own belief system. And you can see that everywhere. In Muslim countries, as well as in the US where Evangelical Christians have big lobbies to fight the teaching of evolution in schools or to fight gay rights etc. They want to shove down their belief system on everybody else's throats!
 
^^It is scary. but this is even more

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Depends on what you believe.
I'm a Christian educated in a catholic school and WE BELIEVE in Evolution and the Big Bang.
Those topics weren't even argumentative for us. But they are for other Christians though.
Btw, I know a lot (A LOT!) of gay people who call themselves Christians in my country.

So I think it's really important that we try not to paint everyone with the same brush. That's the same attitude of racism.
 
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LoveMJackson said:
^^It is scary. but this is even more.
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It's all equally scary to me, based on principle. I can't honestly understand religion's grip on people. Especially the three most influential religions in the world.

I honestly don't see the purpose of teaching children religious things--it seems as though it is robbing them of their right to choose what to believe for themselves since the beginning, with the indoctrination of children like the videos you have posted above, to "Jesus Camps," and Bar/Bat Mitzvahs.

I don't think children should be taught these things by their parents, and if I had it my way, they wouldn't know anything of religion until they were 18, and only if they were interested.
 
It depends on what you believe in but I believe in life after death :yes:
 
Yes.

Imagine parents telling children that if they had a bad thought, a big scary tentacle monster would come under their bed and suck out their eyeballs while they were awake and feel it.

Also imagine telling children that the best man who ever lived died because they were bad.

That's religion. Extremely child abusive.

A lot of people seem to find the Bible a source of morality, when in reality it's one of the sickest books ever written :(

www.evilbible.com has a lot of quotes and stuff from it with references of course.
 
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That's not religion, that is stupidity. And it is also obvious, you don't know the difference. Might I suggest you really try to find out before you group all things together.

I really cannot stand when people go to Google to some random website that spurts out stuff that is pure nonsense. It really shows a lack of understanding. If I were to take a lot of ancient texts without understanding and context, I would reach many conclusions that were not so.
 
I fail to see how those quotes are taken out of context, I've read it myself when I was a Christian.
 
ginvid said:
That's not religion, that is stupidity. And it is also obvious, you don't know the difference. Might I suggest you really try to find out before you group all things together.

I really cannot stand when people go to Google to some random website that spurts out stuff that is pure nonsense. It really shows a lack of understanding. If I were to take a lot of ancient texts without understanding and context, I would reach many conclusions that were not so.
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Thank you, spot on...
 
Philosophy and science teaches us that verification requires the object to be logically consistent and not self contradictory.
 
That said above tells me all I need to know. I read the first line of that webpage that said "The Bible advocates slavery" and I knew right away not only were the verses taken out of historical context, but out of context completely and to suite a person's specific agenda.

I have said it before and will say it again. If you wanted to use the Bible to try and prove virtually anything you wanted to, you could find an isolated verse to back that up. But that doesn't mean the Bible is advocating that or even agreeing with .

Religion does not scare me, but people who use Bible verses to suit their own agendas really scare me.
 
ginvid said:
That's not religion, that is stupidity. And it is also obvious, you don't know the difference. Might I suggest you really try to find out before you group all things together.

I really cannot stand when people go to Google to some random website that spurts out stuff that is pure nonsense. It really shows a lack of understanding. If I were to take a lot of ancient texts without understanding and context, I would reach many conclusions that were not so.
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ginvid said:
That said above tells me all I need to know. I read the first line of that webpage that said "The Bible advocates slavery" and I knew right away not only were the verses taken out of historical context, but out of context completely and to suite a person's specific agenda.

I have said it before and will say it again. If you wanted to use the Bible to try and prove virtually anything you wanted to, you could find an isolated verse to back that up. But that doesn't mean the Bible is advocating that or even agreeing with .

Religion does not scare me, but people who use Bible verses to suit their own agendas really scare me.
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couldn't have said it better myself...thank you.
 
it's not religion per se but what people make of it, is. people who follow a certain religion and therefore think they're ''better/above'' than those who do not belong to the same i.g ''I'm a Christian, God forgives my sins b/c I'm Christian'' or ''I'm a Muslim Jews are rats/subhuman'' what's even worse is ppl who keep on shoving their religion as the right one- down everybody's throat. How about agreeing that there are different ways to the same destination (finding God), instead of f***ing one another.
 
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MechaJackson said:
Yes.

Imagine parents telling children that if they had a bad thought, a big scary tentacle monster would come under their bed and suck out their eyeballs while they were awake and feel it.

Also imagine telling children that the best man who ever lived died because they were bad.

That's religion. Extremely child abusive.

A lot of people seem to find the Bible a source of morality, when in reality it's one of the sickest books ever written :(
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If you can't tell the difference between religion and superstition, too bad for you, extremely abusive can ignorance be. Additionally, this isn't a thread about prejudiced people trashing the Bible due to their poor capacity to think for themselves and mistake fairytales with genuine belief. Horror or slasher films and video games are some of the sickest things ever, not religion. There are certain fanatics that actually do end up on the other side of their God-based religion, true, but certainly not every believer is that way, and certainly not brainwashed. Ppl keep saying/thinking/feeling that religion is bad for it's brainwashing ppl, but they don't feel that they're actually dumbed down and 'converted' by fiction/ or science fiction, being bombarded by images and all kinds of media everywhere where subliminals get also heavily inserted to top the uncensored images... If we're on this, Disney's products is one of the mega-brainwashers in the world ever. TV ads, sports and mainstream music. Get thoroughly informed on that, Then come back and say who's the real brainwasher there. What is it? Bible and some religions and God, who are teaching us about love and purity and doing good and abstaining from evil? Is this why people are feeling menaced, because they feel shackled and too weak to not give in to many of this world's evanescent pleasures?

Instead of looking up to God for mercy, some are feeling like defaming religion, the Bible or God. .. No wonder we're going down and some are getting dragged into the mud for stooping to that level of ignorance.
 
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It's what people do with religion that scares me. To me religion is a very personal thing and I don't think people should be forcing their views on me or anybody. One of my sisters went the scary religious route a few years ago and she has never been more annoying. She's always trying to get me to watch one of her religious videos and I don't want to. If I complain that I am not feeling well she asks me if I prayed. I will say yes, maybe not exactly like YOU pray but I do pray. But you see, because I don't pray exactly like she does and because I don't actually go to church to pray or crack open a Bible God will just ignore me and punish me and he will shower all the good things on her because she has what she calls a "special relationship" with him. What, do I have to date God for him to love me? Well, that's a God I do not like.

So I wish these people would leave me alone and let me observe religion in my own way and stop looking down on me.
 
The only thing anybody should be scared about are their fellow humans............

most people are nice...........but there are always the few evil ones among us......



There are billions of people who practice religion everyday............but only the extreme few use it for preaching hate instead of love..........



Science and Philosophy are built on theory upon theory..........most theories they can't actually prove..........just look at astronomy, they have no real clue about universe.........

...........and these scientists actually have the audacity to say that religion is just a bunch of fairy tales...........

...........on top of that.......so much science has come from religions in themselves...........just look at what ancient Hindu scientists achieved.........

...........And finally, it was science that built the atom bomb and all other weapons.......


And please don't call be ignorant..........I actually quite like science (and got a double A in by science GCSE)...........but science can only give you half the answers to all your questions............But religion cannot provide answers........it only provides guidance.............
 
MechaJackson said:
Yes.

Imagine parents telling children that if they had a bad thought, a big scary tentacle monster would come under their bed and suck out their eyeballs while they were awake and feel it.

Also imagine telling children that the best man who ever lived died because they were bad.

That's religion. Extremely child abusive.

A lot of people seem to find the Bible a source of morality, when in reality it's one of the sickest books ever written :(

www.evilbible.com has a lot of quotes and stuff from it with references of course.
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I get that paranoia everytime I switch it to the news channel.........

The propaganda the media and the UK/US governments shove down our throats is probably worse then any religion.........


The bush/blair team sold us lies about Saddam and his imaginary weapons and then they destroyed iraq in an illegal war........

The US/UK complain about about Gaddafi attacking innocent people............but then again it's ok for the US to torture people in Guantanamo bay..........


None of the above I have mentioned have anything to do with religion.........




Another thing I would like to mention is that law is built from religion........it doesn't matter where you live..........


US and UK law is straight from Christianity beliefs.........


So you should now ask yourself one question............is killing another person wrong?????............

To the Christians......it is wrong to kill another..........but since you call Christianity evil.........I doubt you can say that!!!!
 
Krshna28 said:
The only thing anybody should be scared about are their fellow humans............

most people are nice...........but there are always the few evil ones among us......



There are billions of people who practice religion everyday............but only the extreme few use it for preaching hate instead of love..........



Science and Philosophy are built on theory upon theory..........most theories they can't actually prove..........just look at astronomy, they have no real clue about universe.........

...........and these scientists actually have the audacity to say that religion is just a bunch of fairy tales...........

...........on top of that.......so much science has come from religions in themselves...........just look at what ancient Hindu scientists achieved.........

...........And finally, it was science that built the atom bomb and all other weapons.......


And please don't call be ignorant..........I actually quite like science (and got a double A in by science GCSE)...........but science can only give you half the answers to all your questions............But religion cannot provide answers........it only provides guidance.............
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Thanks, Krshna, lovely simple post. So many are feeling threatened and grossed out by religion, but aren't they thinking at just how much damage has science done and is doing, how machinery and technology have developed to such a degree that we'll soon not be allowed to function at all without a machinery, some think 'Oh, what nonsense', and in a heart beat I'd show a link of microchipped people (already happening, so before some would jump and laugh at the 'paranoia', google is one of your best friends). Many are frightened by religion, yet not by stuff like media news, political leaders, pornography, bloody slasher-film characters, of promiscuity, drugs, alcohol consumption, by God, not by the things they do, like hurting others, hating on them, betraying them, killing them... etc. etc..

It's a fear of the unknown and the laziness to try and search the good. And many are complacent to it, like I, as well as some others, have been at the beginning. I'm now alive for doing various wonderful things for my soul (going to church), I was this close to losing my life in 2009 and after, and gave up hope on everything and everyone.. for months on end, I didn't want to see the light of day because of being too unwell... And praying to God and going to church (my experience, for inst) got to save me, because gradually, I've started no longer feeling like I want to die and that I can't go on..

What kept Michael himself alive for 50 years was his faith in divinity and his wonderful deeds and the way he forgave many, if not everyone that did him wrong (he had his smile with him often), and that is the attribute of the most strong and he was rewarded for that. ...

What's scary is indeed the fanatics and deviations on behalf of some in how they approach religion, but even scarier is the indifference in some regarding God, their insulting Him (like with saying He doesn't exist, or He is a terrible force) and eventually the interest in a much vaguer, personal notion of the god they are imagining and feel comfortable with. ..
 
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