Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[blueocean]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

so much control it took them 2 years to get mj to agree to do the shows.

Michael was approach when raymone bain was working for him and michael did not agree then. only when thome came in the picture and then took control from michael that it's when AEG got there deal.

 

[kasume]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

True. But it has focused a lot on AEG's Randy Philips and Thome Thome as well, so; without some little history and support mentionings of what's being demonstrated, Michael's own words, as well, one can't analyse this lawsuit, they're very useful.

Agree. Michael's own words are one of the most important aspects out of all of this, probably the most important.

 

[Alma]

I know this is long but it is worth the read,,it tells how Michael only agreed to 10shows....it tells how Randy knew Michael was nervous....amd much more...just read...

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Randy Phillips profile: Michael Jackson's promoter is making all the right moves

"He's 50 but he's going to dance his ass off," says the confident, quick-talking Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live and promoter of acts from Britney Spears and Prince.

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Randy Phillips is President and CEO of AEG Live.

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Michael Jackson during a press conference to announce his comeback tour at the o2 Photo: JANE MINGAY

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Crowds queue for Michael Jackson tickets which went on sale at 7am at the O2 Arena in London Photo: PA







By Rowena Mason 12:01AM GMT 14 Mar 2009 Comment


This is the man who persuaded Michael Jackson, that elusive, reclusive eccentric, to return as the King of Pop for a tour at AEG's O2 venue, the ex-Millennium Dome. "He's working on a new move. Something like the Moonwalk, but different."

Phillips clearly understands how to whet the appetite of Jackson's scrums of fans. More than 250,000 joined the online queue, with 800 turning up to the O2 itself to get seats for the 50 dates.

Watching him order tea at the Dorchester Hotel, Phillips has the neurotic chatter of a Woody Allen.

"I've gotta have Dorchester blend with honey and skim milk, right? And multigrain sandwiches... salmon, egg and maybe a few chicken," he says.

This precise, organisational mastermind has kicked up a global ticketing storm just four months after a high-pitched "yes" was uttered from Jackson's pinched lips. The pair go back 15 years – they lost touch, but after the promoter joined AEG he made a "hit list" of acts to entice. Jackson was at the top.

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"We finally made Mohammed come to the mountain of the O2," Phillips grins. Jackson refused twice, but several months ago, the idea arose as the superstar was putting together a restructuring plan for his finances. Not hat we should believe rumours that Jackson is struggling, after spending a fortune on security and lawyers after his famous child abuse trial – which ended with his acquittal.
"They make out Michael's finances are much more dire than they are," Phillips assures me. But he needed the cash, right? "I asked him straight off: why say yes to the tour now? Was it the money? He said: you know what, my kids are old enough now." Jackson agreed to do 10 dates for AEG, before relenting to 40 more. The star "worships" London, but plans to stay in a country house where his children can play. If any Daily Telegraph readers have a plush rural pad for rent, Phillips wants to know.
He estimates Jackson will make $50m-$100m from the London dates. This could rise to $500m if he does a world tour.
So how much is AEG getting out of this? Phillips laughs. "We're not in this for the money. We're taking a huge risk on Michael. Forgetting tickets, the local economy will get $500m."
Things haven't gone entirely seamlessly for AEG since they put their money behind Jackson. Most tickets are being sold straight to fans for £50-£75. But AEG claims its premium ticket partner, Viagogo offered seats for re-sale in bulk, allowing touts and other re-sellers to push up prices. A court has now ordered Viagogo to stop selling to anyone not believed to be an individual fan, until a further hearing.
Another potential hitch is that they do not yet have insurance covering Jackson's appearance at all 50 gigs – but Phillips insists any risk will be worth it.
"If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough."
In recent days, there has been furious speculation about Jackson's health, which Phillips dismisses. "Making up rumours about Michael Jackson is a cottage industry," he exclaims. "We were having dinner when I got a Google alert that he had a flesh-eating disease. He was sitting opposite, healthy as ever."
Among the other urban myths he demolishes: ***** is not as weird as I may think, but a devoted parent, and though famed for Jesus-like shows, "not a confident person".
Jackson's nerves aside, the deal could have been off if Phil Anschutz, the billionaire behind AEG had not taken to him.
"Phil had to give me permission to spend all this money. I joke that I'm going to make him a millionaire – from a billionaire." Anschutz has been described as prickly, but Phillips says he is "respectful, a good listener and brilliant".
Anschutz built up his empire from property and launched AEG to take on the force of Live Nation: its corporate nemesis.
"We are under assault by an 800lb gorilla called Live Nation, planning to merge with Ticketmaster. It's not good, but we are there doing better."
AEG is certainly putting its all into making the tour superlative. Hiring Kenny Ortega, the man behind High School Musical, booking superstar guest appearances, putting money into a new 3D film of Thriller and developing new technology to make it a historical spectacle.
"Now we have the biggest artist in the world at the best arena in the best city," Phillips declares, digesting the news that 750,000 tickets have sold out in five hours. He has the satisfied look of a man who has just pulled off an inconceivably ambitious plan.

Thanks for posting this.

Sad that this lawsuit against AEG has got some holes, I mean, some could often be 'buried' (not taking this in the literal sense, please note that) with their own words. 'We're taking a huge risk on Michael"... Risk? Was Michael the only one who was 'not too confident'? I'd say not. 'We're not in it for the money'.... for the love of... what a bigness of a lie, you'd think people like these are smarter at times.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Agree. Michael's own words are one of the most important aspects out of all of this, probably the most important.

as far as I am concerned,,THEY ARE the MOST important. I dont see why folks dont get it..

 

[kasume]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

They DO get it. How can someone not get it?

"Watch the ones with the biggest smiles, the idle jabbers, cause they're the backstabbers..." - Michael Jackson

"They dont care. They do me for the money. They don't care. They use me for the money. They don't care. They kill for the money." - michael jackson

 

[blueocean]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

It IS enough. Unless some people have an agenda here or something, but I'm not going to go there.

It's clear that Michael was being controlled, Katherine is right in her lawsuit.

I agree with what you are saying, it's way to obvious michael was not in control, michael spoke in the telephone interview that he did not now what was in his account.

 

[Alma]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Mods, the Conspiracy subforum won't show for me, I've got the pass for it, but I can't no longer track it down, haven't seen it in weeks, matter of fact, just now realizing this. Need some help, thanks..

 

[kasume]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

the conspiracy forum is under "The Fans Take Action" now

And in my personal opinon, it doesn't really belong in a section like that. That's my opinion.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/entertainment/aeg-wants-katherine-jackson-lawsuit-dismissed-20101230


AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed
Updated: Thursday, 30 Dec 2010, 5:32 PM PST
Published : Thursday, 30 Dec 2010, 5:32 PM PST


Los Angeles - A lawsuit brought on behalf of Michael Jackson's mother and children against the promoters of the concert tour he was poised to begin at the time of his 2009 death should be dismissed, lawyers for AEG Live argued in court papers filed today .

The suit was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court on Sept. 15 on behalf of Katherine Jackson and her son's three children, Michael Jr., Paris-Michael Katherine and Prince Michael, also is known as Blanket.

The suit alleges AEG Live is responsible for the medical decisions made by Dr. Conrad Murray, the singer's personal physician at the time, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death.

The suit alleges breach of contract, fraud, negligence, negligent infliction of emotional distress and employer responsibility.

In newly filed court papers, AEG Live attorneys maintain the Jackson family matriarch and her grandchildren "lack standing to bring these claims other than as wrongful death theories" because the complaint, in effect, asserts claims on behalf of the late singer.

The AEG papers also state that Jackson "controlled his own medical care and hired his own longtime personal physician." The company "did not choose or hire Dr. Murray, it merely conducted negotiations named at retaining him as an independent contractor on the tour."

AEG's legal team wrote that Jackson "was not helpless or incompetent; he lived in his own home, negotiated his own contracts, engaged his own attorneys and cared for his own family."

by the looks if that contract it looks like Thome negotiated it...not Michael...they just got him to sign his name on the dotted line. only AFTER the 50shows were sold out

 

[kasume]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

^ muzik pointed that out in her video as well. There's a clip of Randy saying he contacted thome, which contradicted his previous statement of contacting Michael

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

^ muzik pointed that out in her video as well. There's a clip of Randy saying he contacted thome, which contradicted his previous statement of contacting Michael

really??..I didn't know that about Muzik...however I do know what you are talking about as far as Randy goes.

 

[gerryevans]

a staff member came in here and said this is the wrong thread to discuss the approval of the ten shows. we have to go discuss it in the conspiracy section thats even more hidden now.

I believe Katherine is right that aeg was controlling Michael.

The last rehearsal: “He was his old self. He was interacting with us, giving us suggestions, making changes. In the beginning, he let everyone else run things. Then, he was like, ‘This is my show. We’re going to do it how I want to do it.’ I loved it. That’s something I always wanted to see. I thought he was being taken advantage of in the beginning because he was older. ... And you could tell he had something to say, but he wouldn’t say it. But that last day, he took over.
“He knew what he wanted. The dancers were like, ‘Good, he’s speaking up.’ The dancers had Michael’s back.” CG

Well, this certainly contradicts Katherine suit. According to it, he was shivering and disoriented this night.

 

[StacyJ]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Well, this certainly contradicts Katherine suit. According to it, he was shivering and disoriented this night.

I always wondered how she knew MJ was shivering and disoriented? if Katherine knew her son was sick or expected something wasn't right, which Joe said he told her to check on Mike because he was looking a little frail, then why didn't she do anything? her son was sick, cold and disoriented and she didn't do or say anything?

 

[kasume]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

^ Michael's closest friends and even family could NOT get near Michael during his last months.

"I built a fence around Michael." Thome Thome

So the ONLY thing the family can really go by is what OTHERS tell them, people that were ACTUALLY close to Michael. And why the heck are these people spreading things like that.......

 

[gerryevans]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

I always wondered how she knew MJ was shivering and disoriented? if Katherine knew her son was sick or expected something wasn't right, which Joe said he told her to check on Mike because he was looking a little frail, then why didn't she do anything? her son was sick, cold and disoriented and she didn't do or say anything?

Before filing the suit, she saw him a couple of weeks before June 25, and said he was fine. She didn't see him again, and I think she's going by what she's been told about his condition after that visit and much of the bases for her suit is second hand.

I happen to believe all the pressure MJ was undergoing those last couple of weeks did result in a noticeable physical change in him...BUT I also believe he got through the worse part of it, and those last couple of rehearsals he was back on his game and ready to take on the world. Unfortunately, Murray prevented it.

 

[kasume]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Poor Katherine is easy to being taken advantage of...

This lawsuit, the 10/50 show feud, everything is starting to make perfect sense.

I happen to believe all the pressure MJ was undergoing those last couple of weeks did result in a noticeable physical change in him...BUT I also believe he got through the worse part of it, and those last couple of rehearsals he was back on his game and ready to take on the world. Unfortunately, Murray prevented it.

Here we go again with Michael being pressured and under stress. ANYONE who keeps mentioning that must realize that all they're doing is helping Murray's defense. Cause that's what he will (or may) be claiming! Michael killed himself under pressure!

Even though I believe Michael did not want to do the 50 shows, I don't think he was under pressure to kill himself because of it. That's just stupid. Michael is STRONGER than that. So guys, please stop with him being under pressure and stress. UNLESS, you want to help murray's defence....

 

[Asedora]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Randy has such a face that would never trust this person. The truth is that the butom line is the same for everybody and this bottom line is death. Randy, you have to be prepared to answer in front of a higher power sooner or later if Michael will not get his justice on Earth.

Murray will stay in jail for 4 years and this is not that long, def not enough for killing a King of Pop. I am curious how much money were trasffered to Murray's accounts from any source after Michael passed? I wonder if Murray has bank accounts outside of US?

 

[Autumn II]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Did you two bother reading Katherine's original lawsuit?

Did you also take the time and read AEG's response?


Because if not, I don't know how you can fairly comment on this from now on?


Take the time and read the freely available documents (all of them), form a facts-based opinion (from both documents)...otherwise, just skip the discussion because you are not adding anything new to it....just repeating the same information.

Respectfully.:yes:


Thank you Ivy for your great summary..I read it before the full document. Very helpful...as always.

Yes, I have read all documents and stand by my statements. I have some legal knowledge, as well. Moving right along. . . . .

 

[classic]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

... You got Michael's own words on tape pertaining to Thome, a key-AEG partner, and that still isn't enough, sadly.

I agree with what you are saying, it's way to obvious michael was not in control, michael spoke in the telephone interview that he did not now what was in his account.

^ Michael's closest friends and even family could NOT get near Michael during his last months.

"I built a fence around Michael." Thome Thome

So the ONLY thing the family can really go by is what OTHERS tell them, people that were ACTUALLY close to Michael. And why the heck are these people spreading things like that.......

With all due respect, if Michael Jackson had no idea how to find his accountants and find out how much money he had, then he had some major problems that started way before AEG. If Michael had turned over his business affairs to that degree, then deals will be made and money will be handled without his knowledge. The question is how valid is any of that information. Has any such tape been authenticated?

As for Michael not being able to see his family in his last months, then who the heck were those people that he celebrated his parents' anniversary with and did his mother have it wrong when she stated she saw him the week or two before his death? Oh, and I guess the family never did actually talk to him about reunion shows because that would have entailed within the last few months of his life.

This lawsuit may or may not be valid based on fact. But, you have to bring facts and not rewrite events. That was a strong point that was made in AEG's response to this lawsuit. Just as people want to bring up those who would support Mrs. Jackson's description of Michael in the lawsuit, there are others who give a totally opposite picture of Michael, including in one interview, Mrs. Jackson herself.

 

[Asedora]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

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As for Michael not being able to see his family in his last months, then who the heck were those people that he celebrated his parents' anniversary with and did his mother have it wrong when she stated she saw him the week or two before his death? .

The family dinner/lunch or whatever it was, was NOT a week or two before his passing. It was over one moth before his passing. The family could not see him 2 weeks before he was killed by Murray. The same obout the fellow fans. 2 weeks before his passing nobody could get close to Michael. Suddenly he was not available anymore.

 

[classic]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

The family dinner/lunch or whatever it was, was NOT a week or two before his passing. It was over one moths before his passing. The family could not see him 2 weeks before he was killed by Murray. The same obout the fellow fans. 2 weeks before his passing nobody could get close to Michael. Suddenly he was not available anymore.

Please read the quote that I was responding to; it was posted that he was unable to see people in months. Also, again, Michael was capable of contacting whomever he wanted based on facts that we know. What family were trying to see him 2 weeks before he died? Didn't Mrs. Jackson say herself that she talked to him a week or 2 before his death? Didn't Lionel R. say that he had a get-together with Michael and their children the weekend prior to his death? Didn't the Cascio family say that they spoke to Michael days before his death? Where did the verification come from that he could not see anyone? How much contact Michael had with his family has always been a bone of contention with people. Sometimes I doubt a plot or control via a concert promoter was the cause. Sometimes it was probably just that he was too busy or didn't want to talk to them for whatever reason, which may or may not have been justified but was his reason.

 

[ivy]

The family dinner/lunch or whatever it was, was NOT a week or two before his passing. It was over one moths before his passing. The family could not see him 2 weeks before he was killed by Murray. The same obout the fellow fans. 2 weeks before his passing nobody could get close to Michael. Suddenly he was not available anymore.

Katherine said that she saw him one and a half week before his death.

KATHERINE JACKSON: The last time I saw Michael before he passed away was about a week and a half… and I had gone to visit him. The children were there, we talked, we played around and had fun together. And Michael even showed me a movie, cause he had a new instrument there. It was really nice, he just played on the bedroom wall. And that was the last time I can remember seeing my son alive.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37936651/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/

 

[Asedora]

Katherine said that she saw him one and a half week before his death.

KATHERINE JACKSON: The last time I saw Michael before he passed away was about a week and a half… and I had gone to visit him. The children were there, we talked, we played around and had fun together. And Michael even showed me a movie, cause he had a new instrument there. It was really nice, he just played on the bedroom wall. And that was the last time I can remember seeing my son alive.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37936651/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/

Ok. One week and a half. After that he was with AEG. They have to know better what was going on.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Poor Katherine is easy to being taken advantage of...

This lawsuit, the 10/50 show feud, everything is starting to make perfect sense.

Here we go again with Michael being pressured and under stress. ANYONE who keeps mentioning that must realize that all they're doing is helping Murray's defense. Cause that's what he will (or may) be claiming! Michael killed himself under pressure!

Even though I believe Michael did not want to do the 50 shows, I don't think he was under pressure to kill himself because of it. That's just stupid. Michael is STRONGER than that. So guys, please stop with him being under pressure and stress. UNLESS, you want to help murray's defence....

You know, that's some leap. I say he was under pressure and it's equated to him killing himself because of it.

EVERY single person involved with TII was under intense pressure. It was a multi million dollar production fast approaching its kick off first show date. Anyone who says MJ wasn't under prressure is being unrealistic. It does not mean he killed himself, and no way mentioning it says he did.

And what in the world is all this talk about AEG controlling him if it isn't about theim pressuring him to do what they wanted him to?

 

[Asedora]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Please read the quote that I was responding to; it was posted that he was unable to see people in months. Also, again, Michael was capable of contacting whomever he wanted based on facts that we know. What family were trying to see him 2 weeks before he died? Didn't Mrs. Jackson say herself that she talked to him a week or 2 before his death? Didn't Lionel R. say that he had a get-together with Michael and their children the weekend prior to his death? Didn't the Cascio family say that they spoke to Michael days before his death? Where did the verification come from that he could not see anyone? How much contact Michael had with his family has always been a bone of contention with people. Sometimes I doubt a plot or control via a concert promoter was the cause. Sometimes it was probably just that he was too busy or didn't want to talk to them for whatever reason, which may or may not have been justified but was his reason.

Fans were cut off for no reason 2 weeks before he died. Why the fans would lie? One phone conersation etc with Cascios does not mean anything. Noboy would keep Michael in the preason. He was talking to LMP on 2005 and said that somebody wants to kill him and then he left the US. What does it tell you? I guess nothing?
Then he had to come back to the US because he had to solve all financial problems he had. he had tree kids to take care of. He had no choice but to come back.
Everything had to look nice if it was a a murder.So far, what you are saying, everything points to "Murray made a mistake" and nobody else is responsible. Ok. I am def not the one who would believe such nonsense. :mellow:
My opnion, Murray is fall guy.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Fans were cut off for no reason 2 weeks before he died. Why the fans would lie? One phone conersation etc with Cascios does not mean anything. Noboy would keep Michael in the preason. He was talking to LMP on 2005 and said that somebody wants to kill him and then he left US. What does it tell you? I guess nothing?
Everything had to look nice if it was a a murder.So far what you are saying, everything points to "Murray made a mistake" and nobody else is responsible.

My opnion, Murray is fall guy.

Fall guy or not, he injected MJ. He killed him.

 

[Asedora]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Fall guy or not, he injected MJ. He killed him.

So? It is pointless. He injected MJ, because he was stupid or his last pay cheque will cover all 4 years he will have to spend in the preason.

 

[MJFan07]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Jacksons are not stupid and they are not monsters. They are not trying sue AEG for money. Katherine wans to know why and how her son was killed.

I agree 100%. I hate how people assume they are doing this for the money. IMO, this has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with justice and truth for the family. If I were them I would sue as well.

 

[MJFan07]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

What has AEG gotten from Michael's death that they would not have gotten from his performing? Or if he didn't perform, there wouldn't have been losses to them because I'm sure they protected themselves financially just as Michael did if AEG didn't fulfill their end of the contract.

I'm not sure what AEG's involvement was, however based on Murray's actions, I don't believe it was an accident or negligance, but intentional (either that or Murray is the most incompetent doctor ever). Which to me means someone else had to be involved, b/c Murray alone had no motive. Was AEG involved? It's a possibility. But I don't think they were the driving force behind this. I have my thoughts, but this probably isn't the thread on which to share those.

I agree with the lawsuit Katherine has filed b/c it's a way to get more info from AEG and a better way to determine the degree of their involvement. And in my opinion they likely had some involvement and/or knowledge of what was happening.

 

[jrsfan]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

as far as I am concerned,,THEY ARE the MOST important. I dont see why folks dont get it..

This is supposedly what he said. It is tabloid, but people do remember seeing a video of him saying it. They are also reporting he had skin cancer.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...hael-Jackson-angry-at-50-gig-O2-marathon.html








Michael Jackson's 50 gig fury


By TIM NIXON
Published: 02 Jun 2009







MICHAEL JACKSON has told fans he is fuming with concert promoters for booking 50 shows in London.

The Thriller star told fans outside his LA dance studio he wanted to take his live extravaganza across the globe - and only perform a handful of gigs at the O2.
But he didn't get his wish, and a deal was struck for *****'s monster 50-date residency after the initial block of 10 he'd agreed to sold out.
He claims he only learned of the extra 40 bookings when he awoke to the news one morning.
The ailing King Of Pop is now panicking he's not physically strong enough to cope with the gruelling schedule, insisting his small appetite makes it hard for him to perform.
After practicing his moves at the Burbank Studios, *****, 50, greeted devoted fans waiting outside - and blew off some steam in the process.
He said: "Thank you for your love and support, I want you guys to know I love you very much.
"I don't know how I'm going to do 50 shows. I'm not a big eater - I need to put some weight on.
"I'm really angry with them booking me up to do 50 shows. I only wanted to do 10, and take the tour around the world to other cities, not 50 in one place.
"I went to bed knowing I sold 10 dates, and woke up to the news I was booked to do 50."
Last month, ***** had 80,000 fans up in arms after the opening dates of his residency were delayed.
The concerts were due to kick off on July 8 but the opening night has been pushed back five days, with the others now scheduled for March.
Last week it emerged Jackson may have to axe more dates as he continues his battle with skin cancer.