Will a jury believe that Michael Jackson killed himself?

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I found this article and I like it. I'm glad others are thinking that Murray's alleged defense is just as stupid.




http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-los-angeles/dr-conrad-murray-incredulous-defense


Dr. Conrad Murray's Incredulous Defense
December 31st, 2010 4:16 pm PT.Hinting at a possible defense in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, Los Angeles County District Attorney believes the defense will blame Michael Jackson’s June 25, 2009 death on a self-administered lethal dose of the anesthetic Propofol. “I do think it’s clear that the defense is operating under the theory that the victim, Michael Jackson, killed himself,” said Deputy DA David Walgren. Ruling his cause of death Aug. 28, 2009 “acute Propofol intoxication,” the Los Angeles County Coroner pinpointed Dr. Murray’s role in Jackson’s death. After a successful rehearsal at Los Angeles’ Staples Center for his upcoming British tour, Jackson was found “not breathing” by Murray at 9:00 a.m. June 25. According to police reports, Murray, Jackson’s $100,000 a month personal physician, tried to administer CPR before calling paramedics at 11:00 a.m.

Murray set up a makeshift intravenous drip, administering Propofol, AKA Diprivan, to treat Jackson’s insomnia. Shorting acting anesthetics, like Propofol, are used for surgery, not treating various causes of insomnia. Murray lacked the training or certification in anesthesia, not to mention appropriate monitoring equipment to engage in such high-risk procedures. By the time paramedics arrived at Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills rented home, he was non-responsive, transferred via ambulance to the ER at UCLA’s Ronald Reagan Medical Center. Two-and-a-half hours later, Jackson was pronounced dead by emergency medical personnel. No one knew then what the coroner would find Aug. 28 that Jackson died of “acute Propofol intoxication” not a rumored “heart attack.” Following Jackson’s death, Dr. Murray went missing before eventually found by the LAPD.

Murray denied doing anything improper that resulted in Jackson’s death. His Propofol insomnia machine defined gross negligence by a licensed physician, creating his own dangerous procedure for treating Jackson’s insomnia. Since the coroner’s finding with respect to Jackson’s cause of death, the defense has been angling for some plausible deniability. “They don’t want to say it but that’s the direction in which they are going,” said Walgren, referring to the defense’s tactic of blaming the overdose on Jackson. Coroner officials found 150 mg of Propofol in Jackson’s blood, over five-times the dose Murray admitted to administering. Accounting for the difference, prosecutors expect Murray’s defense attorney J. Michael Flannagan to argue that, unbeknownst to Murray, Jackson injected himself with the Propofol causing his own death. Flanagan points to two Propoful-filled syringes found the scene.

Diverting attention away from Murray’s gross negligence, Flannagan hopes to eventually create reasonable doubt in jurors’ minds. Propofol keeps patients unconscious as long as it’s maintained at a certain bloodstream level. Flannagan hopes that jurors believe that Jackson awakened on his own, groped for a syringe and injected himself out of desperation. On Jan. 4, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will decide whether there’s sufficient evidence to bind Murray over for trial on charges of “involuntary manslaughter.” Given that a Propofol drip falls out the usual and customary treatment for insomnia and given that Murray lacked the training or certification to administer short-acting anesthesia, his treatment defines gross negligence needed for “voluntary manslaughter.” Pastor should find plenty of cause to try Murray for “involuntary manslaughter.”

When the coroner revealed a 150 mg lethal dose of Propofol, the defense could no longer claim trace amounts of benzodiazapines found in Jackson’s blood contributed to the 50-year-old pop singer’s death. Because the 150 mg of Propofol was all that was needed for death, the defense now had to blame to lethal dose on someone other that Dr. Murray. Flannagan must convince a jury that Jackson administered the lethal dose to himself. While Murray admitted to police he administered only 25 mg, he believes it’s credible to blame Jackson for the additional product. Whatever Propofol-filled syringes were found at the scene, it doesn’t mean that Jackson took his treatment into his own hands. While the defense can’t make any outrageous allegation, it’s incredulous that Jackson would overdose himself. Jurors will have to decide what sounds more plausible: Overdose by the doctor or Jackson himself.

Whatever happened in the early morning of June 25, 2009, it’s a known fact that Dr. Conrad Murray, without proper training or certification, engaged in gross negligence administering a risky form of anesthesia to treat Jackson’s insomnia. Quibbling over who administered the lethal injection, jurors must ferret out first Murray’s credibility after administering a highly suspect insomnia treatment. While experiments do go awry, the California Medical Board hasn’t taken lightly Murray’s dangerous and negligent insomnia treatment. Arguing after the fact that he only injected Jackson with 25 mg can’t hide his gross negligence in devising such a high-risk procedure. Focusing on the milligram dosage that killed Jackson diverts attention away from Murray’s gross negligence. What killed Jackson was an arrogant physician playing with anesthesia without proper training, experience or certification.

About the Author

John M. Curtis writes politically neutral commentary analyzing spin in national and global news. He’s editor of OnlineColumnist.com and author of Dodging The Bullet and Operation Charisma.
 
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thanks for posting. I think there should be more articles like that
 
The defense expect the jury to believe the words of a man meant to be a doctor who didn't even do basic CPR correctly? Dream on.
 
thanks. just trying to get all my notes together as its been talked about so much over the last 18 months u forget all the little bits.but from what ive been reading there is an issue over the tox reports and whether the liver etc was actually tested. becasue of the dashes on the report and whether they indicate it was not even tested for as on other sections of the report it says N/D not detactable. if they had tested the liver and found nothing why wasnt ND written instead of a dash. sounds to me like it wast even tested
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MANY benzos were tested for; Alpazelan, Diazepam, CLONAZEPAM, OXAZEPAM, TEMAZEPAM, ALPRAZOLAM, ZALEPLON along with an endless list of other drugs. Maybe you are correct, and they did not even bother to test for lorazepam in other organs but what does that say about them? Incompetent to say the list. Should not they have considered testing for the drugs found in Murray's bag a priority to their investigation to verify whether he was telling the truth? I don't know, if they really did not look for lorazepam and midazolam in MJ's hospital blood (the blood obtained at the hospital ) then I believe the jury will for sure question everything else they did in this investigation and as a result Murray won't be convicted of anything not that the charge itself is that much severe. Are they that stupid? yes they are, Murray gave an interview on June 27, sure he told them about Alvarez. He must have said someone helped him collect the vials, the whole point of that interview was to shift the blame to everyone else, Adams, Lee, Mike and Alvarez. He sat down there planning on blaming Alvarez for the cover up, yet Alvarez's attorney had to talk to the media two damn months later for the investigators to even bother and contact him and what was the result? They preferred not to charge Murray with any cover up act eventhough they damn well he cleaned the scene, he delayed the paramedics, he refused to declare him dead, he did not tell anyone about propofol and he tried to go back and remove everything from the house!!!!!!. Another example was the hair samples. They only bothered to collect hair samples on August 6. If MJ's had a more competent family and they did not put him in a freezer till they negotiated their damn Reality tv show, he would have been long buried and what would they have to do to collect those samples? we average joe knew and were waiting for hair samples since DAY ONE. How come those detectives did not believe such samples would have been crucial to their case , I mean Murray told them he was giving that stuff for six weeks, should not verifying his claims be a priority to them?

The more I read the more I believe they really thought he was an addict and were only looking to charge the doctors with over medicating him , enabling his addiction.
 
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Finally someone who did their own research rather than a ctrl+c, ctrl+v job.
 
I am sure it was tested. Just based on the fact the coroner said it was a factor in his death
 
StacyJ;3166947 said:
I found this article and I like it. I'm glad others are thinking that Murray's alleged defense is just as stupid.




http://www.examiner.com/city-buzz-in-los-angeles/dr-conrad-murray-incredulous-defense


Dr. Conrad Murray's Incredulous Defense
December 31st, 2010 4:16 pm PT.Hinting at a possible defense in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, Los Angeles County District Attorney believes the defense will blame Michael Jackson’s June 25, 2009 death on a self-administered lethal dose of the anesthetic Propofol. “I do think it’s clear that the defense is operating under the theory that the victim, Michael Jackson, killed himself,” said Deputy DA David Walgren. Ruling his cause of death Aug. 28, 2009 “acute Propofol intoxication,” the Los Angeles County Coroner pinpointed Dr. Murray’s role in Jackson’s death. After a successful rehearsal at Los Angeles’ Staples Center for his upcoming British tour, Jackson was found “not breathing” by Murray at 9:00 a.m. June 25. According to police reports, Murray, Jackson’s $100,000 a month personal physician, tried to administer CPR before calling paramedics at 11:00 a.m.

Murray set up a makeshift intravenous drip, administering Propofol, AKA Diprivan, to treat Jackson’s insomnia. Shorting acting anesthetics, like Propofol, are used for surgery, not treating various causes of insomnia. Murray lacked the training or certification in anesthesia, not to mention appropriate monitoring equipment to engage in such high-risk procedures. By the time paramedics arrived at Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills rented home, he was non-responsive, transferred via ambulance to the ER at UCLA’s Ronald Reagan Medical Center. Two-and-a-half hours later, Jackson was pronounced dead by emergency medical personnel. No one knew then what the coroner would find Aug. 28 that Jackson died of “acute Propofol intoxication” not a rumored “heart attack.” Following Jackson’s death, Dr. Murray went missing before eventually found by the LAPD.

Murray denied doing anything improper that resulted in Jackson’s death. His Propofol insomnia machine defined gross negligence by a licensed physician, creating his own dangerous procedure for treating Jackson’s insomnia. Since the coroner’s finding with respect to Jackson’s cause of death, the defense has been angling for some plausible deniability. “They don’t want to say it but that’s the direction in which they are going,” said Walgren, referring to the defense’s tactic of blaming the overdose on Jackson. Coroner officials found 150 mg of Propofol in Jackson’s blood, over five-times the dose Murray admitted to administering. Accounting for the difference, prosecutors expect Murray’s defense attorney J. Michael Flannagan to argue that, unbeknownst to Murray, Jackson injected himself with the Propofol causing his own death. Flanagan points to two Propoful-filled syringes found the scene.

Diverting attention away from Murray’s gross negligence, Flannagan hopes to eventually create reasonable doubt in jurors’ minds. Propofol keeps patients unconscious as long as it’s maintained at a certain bloodstream level. Flannagan hopes that jurors believe that Jackson awakened on his own, groped for a syringe and injected himself out of desperation. On Jan. 4, Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor will decide whether there’s sufficient evidence to bind Murray over for trial on charges of “involuntary manslaughter.” Given that a Propofol drip falls out the usual and customary treatment for insomnia and given that Murray lacked the training or certification to administer short-acting anesthesia, his treatment defines gross negligence needed for “voluntary manslaughter.” Pastor should find plenty of cause to try Murray for “involuntary manslaughter.”

When the coroner revealed a 150 mg lethal dose of Propofol, the defense could no longer claim trace amounts of benzodiazapines found in Jackson’s blood contributed to the 50-year-old pop singer’s death. Because the 150 mg of Propofol was all that was needed for death, the defense now had to blame to lethal dose on someone other that Dr. Murray. Flannagan must convince a jury that Jackson administered the lethal dose to himself. While Murray admitted to police he administered only 25 mg, he believes it’s credible to blame Jackson for the additional product. Whatever Propofol-filled syringes were found at the scene, it doesn’t mean that Jackson took his treatment into his own hands. While the defense can’t make any outrageous allegation, it’s incredulous that Jackson would overdose himself. Jurors will have to decide what sounds more plausible: Overdose by the doctor or Jackson himself.

Whatever happened in the early morning of June 25, 2009, it’s a known fact that Dr. Conrad Murray, without proper training or certification, engaged in gross negligence administering a risky form of anesthesia to treat Jackson’s insomnia. Quibbling over who administered the lethal injection, jurors must ferret out first Murray’s credibility after administering a highly suspect insomnia treatment. While experiments do go awry, the California Medical Board hasn’t taken lightly Murray’s dangerous and negligent insomnia treatment. Arguing after the fact that he only injected Jackson with 25 mg can’t hide his gross negligence in devising such a high-risk procedure. Focusing on the milligram dosage that killed Jackson diverts attention away from Murray’s gross negligence. What killed Jackson was an arrogant physician playing with anesthesia without proper training, experience or certification.

About the Author

John M. Curtis writes politically neutral commentary analyzing spin in national and global news. He’s editor of OnlineColumnist.com and author of Dodging The Bullet and Operation Charisma.

i do believe that this should be forwarded to EVERY news outlet out there.
 
According to TMZ (take as you want but I think that the DA's office is now backing the direction that they think that the defense will go), the defense may try to dredge up Michael's physical condition from past concerts and relate to 2009.

However, the only thing that upsets me about that is that Michael's business is his business and the attempt to lay things at his feet.

The prosecution just needs to let the jury know that this is all about Murray's actions. So in the end, it doesn't matter what they want to believe about Michael; Murray set off a chain of events that lead to Michael's death, which based on reports would be obtaining propofol for use in the home, using it without proper monitoring equipment, leaving the patient after administering any amount of dosage, and even if they want to go with the Michael did it himself defense then leaving it within reach of an already medicated patient who wouldn't have been thinking clearly.

Maybe their true focus is on lessening the role Murray played (in the eyes of the jury) to get a lighter sentence.
 
also can someone clarify re the long tubing. some said there was no long tubing found others said there were but there was no diprivan found in it. which is it? also re his lawyers comments about the syringe on the floor. does that mean hes implying mj did it to himself via a bolus as wouldnt a sryringe be needed if the bottle of dip was hooked upto an iv??ontop of ther beng no long tube

 
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god sucks i have learning disablility i know what is CPR is :yes:

Haha, Exactly. Michael would have been so much better off with you by his side than with that "trained cardiologist". You knew how to love and care for him and that is what was most important :yes: Murray couldn't even do that. He failed. He failed Michael and the world.
 
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Thanks for posting this article. It's refreshing to read this compared to all the other bs out there.
 
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thanks for posting
 
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This is so crazy.
When you wake up after being put down by propofol, you're woozy and certainly not able to do such a thing (injecting yourself).
They should put some patients from a hospital (who had surgery while they where on propofol) on the stand.
 
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A very BIG AMEN to this article!
 
The Catheter Murray used had a Y connecter instead of only one tubing extension, in other words it had two tubing extensions. One extension was short (13.5 cm) that’s the one with an injection port which Murray injected drugs into and traces of propofol, lidocaine and flumazinel detected in it.
The other extension was long and attached to a bag by a plug (spike) and as Justthefacts said, it was apparently used to treat dehydration only thus the liquids were clear and no drugs whatever were detected in it.
My understanding is Flagan now admitting Murray did use a syringe to inject propofol into the injection port of the SHORT tubing, but claiming MJ used the other syringe . Based on the expert's opinion MJ would not have been able to do it , he would not have been able to inject propofol into that 13.5cm tube attached to the catheter. I want to know what tube Flagan wants to retest, is it the short or the long one ? TMZ mentioned the defense "believe" MJ "infused" himself , infuse is different from inject right ? <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225); background-color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1">
thanks for that. yeah to me infused means something different to inject. to me its implying it was a case of the diprivan being hooked upto the long tube *edit* looked on google and yeah infusion is basically hooked up to an IV. so is the defence gonna look at testing the long tube and claim theres dip in it? but then theres the bag and no dip was found in that. and would u need a needle to infuse. dont think so from what ive read. its just hooked up like a drip.
 
Actually, the evidence supports the theory that Michael Jackson was deliberately, intentionally murdered.
 
Am I the only one with an intuition, who is worried that murrays lawyer(s) have tricks up their sleeves - throught the 'legal system' ?


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souldreamer7
 
Am I the only one with an intuition, who is worried that murrays lawyer(s) have tricks up their sleeves - throught the 'legal system' ?

:wub:
souldreamer7
Believe me you are not alone. :pash::huggy:
But, let us not fill our hearts with worry and fear.
Michael Jackson is now in the protective care of God and her Angels,
and these same Heavenly Beings are looking out after Michael's children and us fans. :trytobeangel
 
I just hope that the jury isn't made up of people who believe he was guilty in 2005 of the molestation charges. And if they do, I hope they won't let their biases of an unrelated case make their decision.
 
Believe me you are not alone. :pash::huggy:
But, let us not fill our hearts with worry and fear.
Michael Jackson is now in the protective care of God and her Angels,
and these same Heavenly Beings are looking out after Michael's children and us fans. :trytobeangel


Thank You. :angel: I'm going to Keep the Faith.

:wub:
souldreamer7
 
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