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Will a jury believe that Michael Jackson killed himself?

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elusive moonwalker said:
true but it all depends on what the judge allows. u cant use any evidence u want as the pros has the ability to file motions such as a 352. to stop it from being admisable
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I hope so because Murray's side seem desperate to me. Especially if they will claim Michael did this to himself.
 
rockstar said:
i just hear it on the news about yesterday court :yes:

make me sick i hate what the jury say that Michael kill himself is not true at all :no:
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the jury didn't say anything.. there hasn't been a trial. The prosecutor was basically acknowledging that he knows what the defense will be and I think that the prosecutor knowing that already means he's prepared to counterattack it
 
elusive moonwalker said:
true but it all depends on what the judge allows. u cant use any evidence u want as the pros has the ability to file motions such as a 352. to stop it from being admisable
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exactly.. and since Murray wasn't charged with prescribing to an addict I don't see how past medications come in. If Murray had a feeling his patient was a drug addict yet he continued to prescribe and administer to his drug addict patient, then he should be charged with that crime of prescribing to an addict. According to Murray's lying behind he had no idea what 'problems' MJ had. Why he would take MJ as his patient without knowing his past illnesses is insane to me especially when MJ was putting his life in Murrays' hands.
 
I am so disgusted with them trying to say that Michael killed himself...do they realize how ridiculously stupid they really sound??.....But that is ok...let Murray's defense team make him look like the ass that he is. Its just to bad that Michael will be dragged through the mud once again in the process. :(
 
xthunderx2 said:
I am so disgusted with them trying to say that Michael killed himself...do they realize how ridiculously stupid they really sound??.....But that is ok...let Murray's defense team make him look like the ass that he is. Its just to bad that Michael will be dragged through the mud once again in the process. :(
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That's how I feel too.
 
My intuition tells me that Michael Jackson was murdered, and I know
his murderer(s) will not escape the wrath of God.
 
lorazepam @ 2 and 5 am yet no lorazepam detected in liver WOW !!!!!
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meaning as it was only found in the blood it was given at a far later time than murray claims?
 
CherubimII said:
My intuition tells me that Michael Jackson was murdered, and I know
his murderer(s) will not escape the wrath of God.
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Agree with you. They say that it was Murray's mistake but this kind of mistake looks so unbelieveble and stupid. As more I read about Murray's defence strategy as more strange it looks to me. All specialist say that there is NO WAY MJ could inject himself wth such dose.

Still guys, please somebody help me to understand why Propofol was found in his stomach? It should not be there :no:
 
elusive moonwalker said:
meaning as it was only found in the blood it was given at a far later time than murray claims?
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yep!.. I believe he gave MJ that stuff after he was already dead. He had given him propofol and gave too much and MJ died and Murray used the other sedatives as a coverup to make it look like he was 'weaning' MJ off.
 
StacyJ said:
yep!.. I believe he gave MJ that stuff after he was already dead. He had given him propofol and gave too much and MJ died and Murray used the other sedatives as a coverup to make it look like he was 'weaning' MJ off.
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OMG.....i hope not...:cry:
 
StacyJ said:
yep!.. I believe he gave MJ that stuff after he was already dead. He had given him propofol and gave too much and MJ died and Murray used the other sedatives as a coverup to make it look like he was 'weaning' MJ off.
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I hope it is not. If is that the case I do not know how I will be able to handle it. :( So far I do not believe it because it does not look like those drugs he gave him before would kill him.
 
Michael would never take his own life. He loved his kids too much for that sort of pain put upon them. He just needed sleep. I hope the jury is smart for god sakes.
 
StacyJ said:
yep!.. I believe he gave MJ that stuff after he was already dead. He had given him propofol and gave too much and MJ died and Murray used the other sedatives as a coverup to make it look like he was 'weaning' MJ off.
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but Lorazepam is listed as a contributing factor in Michael's death. I think it is possible that Murray administered Lorazepam and Propofol together.
 
Murray's guilt is under no question at all.

To start with even for the FALSELY allegued only 25mg of propofol he admits giving and the benzodiacepines, the oxygen tank should not have been empty as it was.

He started lying about his 47 minutes on the phone; from these two plain facts, the more you know about the case, the more you realise it was much more serious than "involuntary(!!??) manslaughter".

This is the key question here, not the stupid (and offensive) inventions of the defence!!!
 
I am not a legal expert but I don't think this scenario will stand in court. It's the defense's job of course to claim that little green men came from Mars and killed Michael.
Point is which experts would put their reputation on the line by sustaining such a ridiculous theory and which jury members would swallow this science fiction.
 
Murray left a person with strong drugs in him and there was dangerous drugs in the room.
Murray is responsible for Michaels death.
 
Janet ,Oprah and Kathriene , Joe ,LMP,the Rabbi ,Latoya and all dearests and nearests..... they all insisted that MJ was a has been, scared ,weak, prisonned ,depressd stupid businssan,and was taking huge doses of medicines for yeaaaaars to kill himself slowly and then the all innocent Murray helped him to take his life altogether becuase he was drugged all the time and chasing the Thriller success...


it is every where in the press and media,,who is going to listen to you or to this Estate who faked the will and the film ad the albumonly Oxman and leonard Rowe are the real care takers of MJ Estate...they have been well respected for years in the business world...

the media ,the haters and lairs have selective memory .....they never saw MJ out and about with his kids and fans they only remember him once when he dangled Blanket and when he was in disguise on tht wheelchair (he used this trick from the 80's) !!!

you are in dinail just like me ! do not forget this word,,,you have to hear to it alot during the trial !
 
the jugy should allow all the MJ fans speaks out about MJ who he is
cause we know how much MJ is love
the jury & jugy doesn't know that

i'm just sayying :smilerolleyes:
 
As if Michael killed himself, if the jury believe Michael killed himself, then I blame them and hate them. I never trust the court system.
 
Justthefacts said:
Correct
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thanks. just trying to get all my notes together as its been talked about so much over the last 18 months u forget all the little bits.but from what ive been reading there is an issue over the tox reports and whether the liver etc was actually tested. becasue of the dashes on the report and whether they indicate it was not even tested for as on other sections of the report it says N/D not detactable. if they had tested the liver and found nothing why wasnt ND written instead of a dash. sounds to me like it wast even tested

but theres still the issue with the OD of loraz. murray claimed he gave around 4mg of it yet going by previous posts there was (below)and the tablets found in mjs house dont support mj taking high doses non stop

The chart shows that his lorazepam level was comparable only to a clinical study in which the subjects took 10 mg daily (the maximum recommended dose is 4 mg). If you don't keep taking high doses, the level drops off.
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also can someone clarify re the long tubing. some said there was no long tubing found others said there were but there was no diprivan found in it. which is it? also re his lawyers comments about the syringe on the floor. does that mean hes implying mj did it to himself via a bolus as wouldnt a sryringe be needed if the bottle of dip was hooked upto an iv??ontop of ther beng no long tube

one issue i have is all the thing murray did. the lies about what he gave when he gave the phonecalls etc etc .all that is irrelevent if he can put one bit of doubt in the jurrors minds. of course it ruins his credibility but its all about that one little thing.
 
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jury are so liar :yes:

i remember when 05 tril they were so mean & hard & they don't what to believe
the truth is never the truth the truth is the lies :yes:
 
This is absolutely ridicioulus. But I am not surprised.
The whole world thinks that MJ was an addict. At least..those who are not interested in truth..as always when it comes to Michael.
I can"t believe this. I am so angry and helpless.
And what ?...if only one juror belives it...than what ?
omg
I hate being pesimistic...but I smell disaster here.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
thanks. just trying to get all my notes together as its been talked about so much over the last 18 months u forget all the little bits.but from what ive been reading there is an issue over the tox reports and whether the liver etc was actually tested. becasue of the dashes on the report and whether they indicate it was not even tested for as on other sections of the report it says N/D not detactable. if they had tested the liver and found nothing why wasnt ND written instead of a dash. sounds to me like it wast even tested

but theres still the issue with the OD of loraz. murray claimed he gave around 4mg of it yet going by previous posts there was (below)and the tablets found in mjs house dont support mj taking high doses non stop

also can someone clarify re the long tubing. some said there was no long tubing found others said there were but there was no diprivan found in it. which is it? also re his lawyers comments about the syringe on the floor. does that mean hes implying mj did it to himself via a bolus as wouldnt a sryringe be needed if the bottle of dip was hooked upto an iv??ontop of ther beng no long tube

one issue i have is all the thing murray did. the lies about what he gave when he gave the phonecalls etc etc .all that is irrelevent if he can put one bit of doubt in the jurrors minds. of course it ruins his credibility but its all about that one little thing.
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There was long tubing found that had chorale hydrate in it. He was replenishing Michael's fluids. The short tubing is what had Propofol in it. And all what you said about the lies goes to his credibility and this. He keeps saying he gave Michael nothing that should have killed him then how come he did not tell people what he gave him? Why not the EMT why not tell the doctors at the hospital about it if you gave nothing that should have killed him? And lets us not forget how bad he wanted to go back to the house after Michael was pronounced telling Michael's assistant he wanted Michael's cream so the world would not find out and was hungry. You said you gave him nothing that should have killed him but his your actions suggest you knew what you gave him killed him.
 

Hey guys I've been away from the board for a few days and will catch up on this thread..


earthlyme said:
I agree T. However, it was also said that the bodyguard was late in coming clean meaning, he waited tooo long to come forward. :smilerolleyes: Like Murray didnt? He was in a police chase for 2-3 days while he got together with his lawyers... I guess they Missed that fact!


But yeah..I really hope this bodyguard testifies and has a good reason for not coming forward earlier.

L.o.v.e.
Romi
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Hey You. :)
Oh yess..I do remember that..now you say.. I hope he has real good reason!



8701girl said:
Yeh i remember hearing bout that, i hope he does go and testify.
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souldreamer7

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Justthefacts said:
There was long tubing found that had chorale hydrate in it. He was replenishing Michael's fluids. The short tubing is what had Propofol in it. And all what you said about the lies goes to his credibility and this. He keeps saying he gave Michael nothing that should have killed him then how come he did not tell people what he gave him? Why not the EMT why not tell the doctors at the hospital about it if you gave nothing that should have killed him? And lets us not forget how bad he wanted to go back to the house after Michael was pronounced telling Michael's assistant he wanted Michael's cream so the world would not find out and was hungry. You said you gave him nothing that should have killed him but his your actions suggest you knew what you gave him killed him.
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justthefacts,

you are so right. I want to hear the EMTs and the ER doctor testify. When they get up there and testify that Dr Murray did not tell them everything that he had given MJ, the jury should convict on that fact alone.
 
Murray damn well better be found guilty. And if he values his life, he'd be better off in jail, for his safety.

Because if he's acquitted of this crime, you can bet some pissed off Jackson fan will take his ass out
 
Prince Of Pop said:
Murray damn well better be found guilty. And if he values his life, he'd be better off in jail, for his safety.

Because if he's acquitted of this crime, you can bet some pissed off Jackson fan will take his ass out
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