I really like Butterflies but yeah MJ pretty much recorded the demo and didn't change anything.
I wonder why tho. I agree,he just replicated the vocal line and that was it
Exactly. He didn't write Man in the Mirror but he made it his own by adding those signature ad-libs and powerful vocals to the song.
Or he had other priorities, being a single father of 2 toddlers!
I don't picture Pink Floyd, Diamanda Galás, Billy Idol, Geto Boys, or AC/DC doing Butterflies.
oh god, I SO wanna hear Billy Idol or Diamanda Galas doing Butterflies. My fave Gen X song is Wild Youth so that's the vibe I'm going for - complete with obligatory sneer, lol. As for DG, uh, she defies any category label I could invent so ... I dunno ... splintered glass being fed through a shredder?I don't picture Pink Floyd, Diamanda Galás, Billy Idol, Geto Boys, or AC/DC doing Butterflies.
true true. tho he could have not left Debbie and then he wouldn't have been a single father lol. i never understood why he left Debbie
Because you are not him, and it's none of your business anyway.
i know,but i'm still interested in both his music and life lol
Like all millionaires, he had nannies and domestic employees taking care of all the stuff that, for regular people, is time-consuming when you have children. Tons of artists have children and that doesn't stop them from writing/producing their art. Tolstoi had 13 children and that didn't stop him from writing War and Peace. The reason MJ was so little invested in Invincible can't be ascribed to his children.
true tho
I can see Dave Grohl and/or Foo Fighters doing it since they've done You Are by Lionel Richie, Rick Astley's Never Gonna Give You Up, & You Should Be Dancin' by Bee Gees. Dave has said that a lot of the drum beats he played on the Nirvana Nevermind album came from old funk & disco records. Paul Stanley from KISS has a side band called Soul Station which performs old R&B songs. U2 performed Daydream Believer with Davy Jones at a concert. Years ago, there were videos on Youtube of Metallica performing Mike's Beat It and Sister by Prince. I don't know if they are still up. Probably not with the Prince song, since that video was up when he was alive and Prince was always removing uploads of his songs from the internet.oh god, I SO wanna hear Billy Idol or Diamanda Galas doing Butterflies. My fave Gen X song is Wild Youth so that's the vibe I'm going for - complete with obligatory sneer, lol. As for DG, uh, she defies any category label I could invent so ... I dunno ... splintered glass being fed through a shredder?
oh sure, yes to all of this but I was reacting more to your original joke:
The idea of those crazy contrasts!I don't picture Pink Floyd, Diamanda Galás, Billy Idol, Geto Boys, or AC/DC doing Butterflies.
But, again, it was fine. And I don't like cover versions, for the most part, but I was OK with both of these.Great idea. I love the whole album.
You should give it a listen again. - Speechless hasn't aged a day. Still sound crisp and fresh.
But there's many remakes that are more well known than the original like the ones on the early Beatles albums or Elvis songs. Like most people don't know Respect by Aretha Franklin & Lady Marmalade by Labelle are covers. Some of Whitney Houston's hits are covers, but she would often do obscure album tracks instead of old hits (Saving All My Love For You, All The Man I Need, Hold Me, etc). The song That's What Friends Are For by Dionne Warwick, Stevie Wonder, Elton John, & Gladys Knight was originally released by Rod Stewart, but his was not a single, just a song on a movie soundtrack. Pre-1970s is was common for many acts to do the same songs (ig. Christmas songs), so not many people know or heard the originals and some songs were traditional that were written long before music recording was invented. These much recorded songs generally became known as "standards".
Yes to all of this.
I guess it depends which generation you belong to. For people of my generation, who grew up listening to the radio, we did know about the various different versions of many of these songs bc different versions would get played or the original version would get namechecked often. Now music's gone digital, maybe that has changed.
Lots of your arguments in here are extremely subjective. What a strong or weak song is for you doesn't mean that another fan/listener feels the same.
There's a lot of songs I had never heard the original and didn't know it was a remake, so I thought they were the original. Like the Whitney Houston songs I mentioned above. Not exactly the same thing but similar, I heard Ice Ice Baby by Vanilla Ice first. I had never heard the song it was sampled from until later. I did know Superfreak before U Can't Touch This, so I knew what it was right away. I did not know Girl You Know It's True by Milli Vanilli (regardless of who was singing on their version) was a remake until the internet, which was many years later. The original was by a group called Numarx. There's other cases like I Heard It Through The Grapevine where the first recorded (The Miracles) was not the first released. So it's not really the original to the public, the Gladys Knight & The Pips version is. The Marvin Gaye version was a hit a year later after Gladys, and the long CCR version was popular too.
I should have made myself clear. I was really talking about rock music since that is my first love. With lots of other genres - soul, jazz, blues, folk, swing / big band, country etc - it's a much more complicated picture.
This is a good example. I keep reading about the Superfreak / U Can't Touch This thing but if I ever feel like investigating this I never get past watching the MC Hammer video, which I love, and by the time I've watched it several times in a row and I've had my fill of it, I've lost interest in chasing up the Superfreak thing.
The Osmonds were a busy, hard-working group and thank goodness for that, lol. I'm so glad Donny didn't get this song. I'm biased because I always preferred Michael and J5 to the Osmonds but I can't see Donny doing justice to Ben. He was a good performer and definitely had a good voice but, for this song? I just don't think he'd have turned in a classic performance like Michael did.
Yes, that chimes with what I remember from your report. I certainly wasn't implying that Michael *never* listened to any new music. That's unlikely, immersed as he was in the music industry.
This crops up quite often in interviews with musicians, I've noticed.
I don't blame the guy. He genuinely loved Tchaikovsky but I think he also used it as a neat way to sidestep questions about his musical preferences.
Oh, I know you weren't! I just wanted to be clear for anyone else reading
I hadn't really thought of that! Interesting point. I always loved when he said that though, because to me it just made him that much cooler lol.
Most of my relatives either listened to R&B, gospel, jazz, or blues and maybe a few listened to country. That's what I heard mainly as a kid. Few if any listened to rock. The ones that did, it usually had R&Bish elements like Doobie Brothers, Santana, Steely Dan, & Rare Earth. So I heard Rick James all the time, either from people playing his records or on the radioThis is a good example. I keep reading about the Superfreak / U Can't Touch This thing but if I ever feel like investigating this I never get past watching the MC Hammer video, which I love, and by the time I've watched it several times in a row and I've had my fill of it, I've lost interest in chasing up the Superfreak thing.
Lots of slower stuff. I know lots of people really hate that about the album but I love it. Doesn't feel repetitive to me at all. Tbf, I don't play the album straight through from beginning to end but I never have done that with my albums, even back in the days of vinyl.
This is not a valid argument.
Complaints towards 'Whatever Happens' are more directed towards the fact that Michael Jackson basically covered the original demo.
It has been written that unlike his previous studio albums, on the 'Invincible' album the sound engineers, producers, songwriters, etc, were not working together with some sort of a family spirit.
