Why Can't Michael & Janet fans get along?

[Memefan]

I fail to see your point. What does Janet has to take back if this is what she meant.

I am simply stated what I saw from the interview. I do not believe Michael drug addict with current facts, but I do believe he may of had a drug problem. If you need something to knock you out at night because other means does not work, this tells me something is wrong. He either had one heck of a sleep problem, he build a very strong immunity to sleeping pills, or it is a little bit of both.

Maybe it was all just his insomnia and Janet mistaken it for a drug problem. I do not know, I am not his sister and I do not know what she saw. I cannot completely discount everything Janet says because I do not agree with it, but I do not think she knows the whole truth either.

In the end, these things work themselves out and I will just sit back and wait for the results. As you said, you can cry foul all you want about Janet's interview, but it does not change a thing.

If his drug problem wasn't current, why was it discussed in the interview as the primary cause of death?

Janet brought up the interventions. If they weren't current, what good was it to bring them up in the current context?

Either way, I think the family is trying to distance themselves from MJ's perceived problems, by saying they did all they could but he couldn't nor did he want to be helped. Put the blame on MJ.

I fail to see the link between propofol & the interventions.

Just like I fail to see the drug abuse reported by the Chopras (Demerol) & Propofol & Dr Murray.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

f his drug problem wasn't current, why was it discussed in the interview as the primary cause of death?

because thats what the media like to do its called twisting things. exactly the same as when tito talked to a uk tabloid talked about the interventions from years back. wasnt clever enough to give a date jsut mentioned it was when mj was living at the ranch. joe bloggs doesnt know when mj was living at the ranch and when he left.why dont the family talk about mj insomnia? do they feel guilty over that so would rather blame mj and say hes a druggie instead.bottom line i dont think any of the family had a clue about mjs life. he kept his distance but by trying to act like they did they are helping the media ruin his legacy..u have fans doing what they can to protect mj and u have his family members selling him out at the first chance running to tabloids etc. who are the grieving parties in all this? its tiring.theres no one left to defend mj but us

 

[Chaos]

its cos janet fans are the root of all evil

 

[elusive moonwalker]

well yeah that aswell lol J/K

 

[ReneeM]

i didn't see it. and i wasn't one of them..but anyway..who isn't bashed? there's Michael bashing, too.

Because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen and I don't think anyone accused you of being one of them.

Everyone may be bashed(including Michael) but that doesn't make it right.

 

[benscarr]

I visited the fan forum on janetjackson.com some years ago, and I was totally shocked how negative and hateful her fans were of Michael. They called Michael almost every horrible name you could think off, saying he was broke etc. I was surprised, because even if they weren't fans of Michael's genius I would have at least thought they would have respect for Michael for being her brother, and the fact she loves him so much.

I'm not a Janet fan, some of her songs are brilliant and I like her as a person and think she has a lot of star quality, but that's it. Michael family, well I'm really only interested in his brothers when they talk about Michael. And I have a lot of respect for them because they were in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons, and I have a lot of respect for mainly Jackie as songwriter because he co-wrote Can You Feel It, and also wrote the brilliant Your Ways from the Triumph album and Torture from Victory. Michael's brothers aren't icons and genius like Michael, but they are icons because they were in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons.

 

[144000]

Because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen and I don't think anyone accused you of being one of them.

Everyone may be bashed(including Michael) but that doesn't make it right.

no..bashing isn't right. but a lot of people make the word 'bash' have an extremely broad meaning.

for instance, if they compare sales figures..that is not bashing.

if they call Janet a moron..now..that is bashing.

and, if you lie about sales figures, to promote an agenda, then that is bashing.

bash is a powerful word, because it's easy for people to use it for all kinds of reasons, even if those reasons are not valid. and fans love to use the word, because they are very protective of their cause.

 

[MySerenity5]

Simple...

Both think that the other is better than the other...

And as any fans will know, that is just asking for a fight...

It's HUMAN NATURE....

 

[ReneeM]

no..bashing isn't right. but a lot of people make the word 'bash' have an extremely broad meaning.

for instance, if they compare sales figures..that is not bashing.

if they call Janet a moron..now..that is bashing.

and, if you lie about sales figures, to promote an agenda, then that is bashing.

bash is a powerful word, because it's easy for people to use it for all kinds of reasons, even if those reasons are not valid. and fans love to use the word, because they are very protective of their cause.

It's true that the word can have many meanings.

In my opinion there was bashing in this thread which was ultimately locked. Many of the comments were made before the interview was televised.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81741

 

[ReneeM]

I visited the fan forum on janetjackson.com some years ago, and I was totally shocked how negative and hateful her fans were of Michael. They called Michael almost every horrible name you could think off, saying he was broke etc. I was surprised, because even if they weren't fans of Michael's genius I would have at least thought they would have respect for Michael for being her brother, and the fact she loves him so much.

I'm not a Janet fan, some of her songs are brilliant and I like her as a person and think she has a lot of star quality, but that's it. Michael family, well I'm really only interested in his brothers when they talk about Michael. And I have a lot of respect for them because they were in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons, and I have a lot of respect for mainly Jackie as songwriter because he co-wrote Can You Feel It, and also wrote the brilliant Your Ways from the Triumph album and Torture from Victory. Michael's brothers aren't icons and genius like Michael, but they are icons because they were in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons.

That is so disappointing. I would have been shocked also. Most of my friends are bigger Janet fans than Michael fans. They still are heartbroken over his death and never said anything mean about him while he was alive.

Maybe it's also an internet/messageboard phenomenum. People are more bolder online than they are in real life.

 

[forevernmyheart]

no..i have seen you not show respect. the term 'talkin out their azz' is not a term of respect.

anyway...the reasons are what the OP suggested.

let's just admit to the human elements, here.

it's pointless for people here to paint themselves as above board, because it's phony. everybody is going for the jugular, and that is the truth.

I disagree w/ you. Everybody is not going for the jugular, and is phony. They are sincerely respectful.

 

[144000]

I disagree w/ you. Everybody is not going for the jugular, and is phony. They are sincerely respectful.

if that were true, there would be no closed threads. so, we have to agree to disagree. i am speaking of the threads that were closed. it's only because of those closed threads, that people, in this thread are making the attempt to learn from the closed threads

 

[michaels wendy bird]

well, there goes more hating.




ummmm, I don't remember saying that in any of my post.

I didn't say the only members of the Jackson family you aren't allowed to dislike are MJ, Jan, and the kids. The topic of this thread was Michael and Janet fans, therefore I gave my 2 cents on Michael and Janet fans.

Clearly people are angry and taking out their anger on whoever they want to in Michael's family.

I didnt say you did i was just stating that none of this makes sense! Dont understand why you quoted me! :mello:

 

[BillieJean84]

Is it just me or is Janet alittle more 'forgiving' when it came to the father Papa Joe??

 

[MJsPYT1]

I didnt say you did i was just stating that none of this makes sense! Dont understand why you quoted me! :mello:

alright, really?!
Well, I quoted you because on the previous page you quoted a response to my post and said that it doesn't make any sense:

ALL THIS NONSENSE SHOULD STOP NOW. IF YOU CANT GO IN A THREAD WITHOUT POSTING BAD ABOUT MICHAEL OR JANET, THEN YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE.

But talking bad about Joe or Jermaine seems to be fine here. Just sayin'. It doesn't add up, there are double standards on these boards regarding what people can say about the family. People here have said things like so-and-so Jackson should kill themselves, or 'we should only call Joe 'scumbag' from now on', and nothing gets done. If someone were to say that about Janet, you're saying it's unacceptable? So the only members of the Jackson family we are not allowed to dislike here are Michael, Janet and Michael's children? :mello:

It does not make sense does it??

 

[michaels wendy bird]

alright, really?!
Well, I quoted you because on the previous page you quoted a response to my post and said that it doesn't make any sense:

I was replying to Adore! Any way not that it matters cause like i said i dont get all the bickering about the family any way!

 

[daphnieas]

This is just insane, Michael and Janet are not only brother and sister, they were great friends.... Michael genuinly loved Janet and I have no doubt that she loved him just as much. It infuriates me to see all the Janet bashing I've seen in this last few days, it's too much.
Out of all the Jacksons, Janet is the one who's defended Michael more fiercely; what happened in this last interview is unfortunate and it does Mike no favors, but some people are calling her names and attacking her in a horrible way, showing absolutely no respect for the way Michael felt about her.

Bottom line is, the fans acting like rabid dogs (on both sides) need a serious reality check and remember the love these two had for each other.

 

[MJsPYT1]

I was replying to Adore! Any way not that it matters cause like i said i dont get all the bickering about the family any way!

I'm just saying, her comment was in response and opposition to my comment. But whatever you say- it doesn't matter in the long run

 

[MJ1814]

the fact that you see nothing wrong with it, makes it worse. and the sarcasm smiley doesn't help. no..there is no respect. if you think a person is speaking what you call malarkey is your opinion. someone can think that about you, as well. of course you will think that you are not 'talking out your azz' and someone else will think they are not. and no one is getting anywhere.

Well no offense, but if you don't like it then remove your mouse from the quote button. And if it irritates you that much, you're more than welcomed to put me on your ignore list.:wub:

 

[earthlyme]

Wow, ok...well lets just leave this thing alone. There are ppl. on here that agree, and disagree...so why dont we just leave it alone.

Who cares who bashes who, as long as we know we are protecting and loving Michael, all we can do is keep his memory alive. This thread is really getting ridiculous.

If you love Mike ONLY, good for you, if you like Jan only, good for you, if you love both, double good for you. This kinda thing is not even worth it. These are sibilings we're talking about.



and DUDE! Wth? respecting each other is one of the rules on here right? and from the looks of it, Some aren't following that. Just agree to disagree and leave this topic alone. If you have nasty(negative) reply to say, Please dont. Instead Go to "Gold pants thread" in Man in the mirror Section and cool off... (worked for me)...

but in all seriousness this thread might be closeing soon so just Keep positive and nice.

Thx!


L.O.V.E.
Romi

 

[KingOfPop1]

Well no offense, but if you don't like it then remove your mouse from the quote button. And if it irritates you that much, you're more than welcomed to put me on your ignore list.:wub:

No, it doesn't work like that here.

Have civil discourse with one another. If a member continues to provoke another member needlessly then the staff will step in and moderate accordingly. That moderation could include banning.

I'd suggest you pipe down with the sarcastic comments and have a civil debate/discussion here at MJJC.

I think the membership should take a step back and read the rules of the forum before infractions and bannings take place - per Gary's zero tolerance policy.

 

[KingOfPop1]

no..i have seen you not show respect. the term 'talkin out their azz' is not a term of respect.

anyway...the reasons are what the OP suggested.

let's just admit to the human elements, here.

it's pointless for people here to paint themselves as above board, because it's phony. everybody is going for the jugular, and that is the truth.

"Talking out of your ass" is a common colloquial phrase in which a person or persons are speaking malarkey or formulating not so well-thought out opinions. There is nothing wrong with that. If you take offense to that, I would recommend that you not visit messages boards as the phrase has been used prior to this, being used now, and will be used later on in the future.:wub:

the fact that you see nothing wrong with it, makes it worse. and the sarcasm smiley doesn't help. no..there is no respect. if you think a person is speaking what you call malarkey is your opinion. someone can think that about you, as well. of course you will think that you are not 'talking out your azz' and someone else will think they are not. and no one is getting anywhere.

Well no offense, but if you don't like it then remove your mouse from the quote button. And if it irritates you that much, you're more than welcomed to put me on your ignore list.:wub:

No, it doesn't work like that here.

Have civil discourse with one another. If a member continues to provoke another member needlessly then the staff will step in and moderate accordingly. That moderation could include banning.

I'd suggest you pipe down with the sarcastic comments and have a civil debate/discussion here at MJJC.

I think the membership should take a step back and read the rules of the forum before infractions and bannings take place - per Gary's zero tolerance policy.

Again, please read my above quote. Pipe down with the sarcastic and argument provoking comments before Gary comes up in here and deals with it.

 

[KingOfPop1]

Wow, ok...well lets just leave this thing alone. There are ppl. on here that agree, and disagree...so why dont we just leave it alone.

Who cares who bashes who, as long as we know we are protecting and loving Michael, all we can do is keep his memory alive. This thread is really getting ridiculous.

If you love Mike ONLY, good for you, if you like Jan only, good for you, if you love both, double good for you. This kinda thing is not even worth it. These are sibilings we're talking about.



and DUDE! Wth? respecting each other is one of the rules on here right? and from the looks of it, Some aren't following that. Just agree to disagree and leave this topic alone. If you have nasty(negative) reply to say, Please dont. Instead Go to "Gold pants thread" in Man in the mirror Section and cool off... (worked for me)...

but in all seriousness this thread might be closeing soon so just Keep positive and nice.

Thx!


L.O.V.E.
Romi

Girlfriend you aint neva lied. I'm closing this thread for Gary's review. He'll take it from here.