Why Can't Michael & Janet fans get along?

[Ramona122003]

I wondered how they went about these intervenions? I find it cruel, if they knew MJ had such a bad problems with drugs that they left the three kids knowing they might be exposed to things they shouldn't be.

They should have involved authorities, for sure MJ would have been mad but at least he would have face the music and seek help. And his kids would have been out of harm's way...with their dad.

I have a love-hate relationship for the Jacksons (except Jermaine, Latoya & Joe mostly disgust & contempt) , one can never be sure what motivates them.

Anyway, RIP MJ, well deserved.

You can have a drug problem without being and addict. So, it may had been a concern, but not one where he was abusive or ignoring his kids.

Also, for several years Michael had person devoted to take his kids away. If she found any reasonable cause like drug addition, I think she would had used it.

 

[MrsMJ2007]

Inquiring minds want to know! If Michael was loving, friendly and kind, why are some of his fans the opposite?:scratch:

You raise a good question. But you have to remember we are all individuals and have our own thoughts and feelings on different subjects. It would be a wonderful world if everyone were as kind and loving as Michael. But, sadly, that is not the real world. Many times fans may become so passionate about how they feel, that they don't realize they are being offensive. They tend to speak or act out in ways that are less than constructive. I guess that fans have to learn to channel their love or anger or sadness into ways that express a more thoughtful point of view. I know I'm VERY guilty of saying the wrongs things at times. I try to watch myself more often now. After all, Michael is watching.

 

[Memefan]

as a fore note - none of that was aimed at you Meme Fan... but MJJC members in general... as I have said before, the lack of respect shown towards a grieving family on this forum is appalling. It is hard enough having to deal with grief as it is, without having to do it in the limelight while the world is watching your every reaction.

Well, I am asking questions but I wasn't questionning their motives or the way they went about things.

I have MANY MANY problems about the Jacksons, but to tell you the truth, I do not care enough about them to lose sleep over them.

I cared for MJ...and now I worry about his kids. The rest of them can do whatever they want to do.

You can have a drug problem without being and addict. So, it may had been a concern, but not one where he was abusive or ignoring his kids.

Also, for several years Michael had person devoted to take his kids away. If she found any reasonable cause like drug addition, I think she would had used it.

Yeah but she spoke about SEVERAL interventions over the years. Interventions mean the person is out of control. She even made the parallel with Debarge who had a deep rooted drug problem.

Something does not jive...but anyway...I guess we will never know the truth.

 

[MJsPYT1]

ummmm, how do Michael and Janet fans not get along!?!?! That's just weird.

 

[FunkeyJay]

Mmmmmhh... Well, I'm a Michael & Janet fan, so I was/am/will be in touch with both fan bases. I never had to face any problems, the fans I have met were just MJ / JJ fans or liked JJ / MJ as well (wwooooah, confusing LOL)... but I never faced any hate moments..

 

[D.Electric]

Well, I am asking questions but I wasn't questionning their motives or the way they went about things.

I have MANY MANY problems about the Jacksons, but to tell you the truth, I do not care enough about them to lose sleep over them.

I cared for MJ...and now I worry about his kids. The rest of them can do whatever they want to do.



Yeah but she spoke about SEVERAL interventions over the years. Interventions mean the person is out of control. She even made the parallel with Debarge who had a deep rooted drug problem.

Something does not jive...but anyway...I guess we will never know the truth.

ok, so as michael would say... this is all in L.O.V.E...really, Im not trying to start anything here just understand your points...

are you saying you think Michael was a junkie and a danger to his children?

 

[MarielovesMJ]

ummmm, how do Michael and Janet fans not get along!?!?! That's just weird.

I do know, It's just some fan type thing. I mean I like them both. Maybe it has something to do with many things that both sides see. Just because they are brother and sister doesn't mean that some people will like both of them. Some prefer Michael, some prefer Janet and other prefer Both siblings (like me).

 

[Ramona122003]

Well, I am asking questions but I wasn't questionning their motives or the way they went about things.

I have MANY MANY problems about the Jacksons, but to tell you the truth, I do not care enough about them to lose sleep over them.

I cared for MJ...and now I worry about his kids. The rest of them can do whatever they want to do.



Yeah but she spoke about SEVERAL interventions over the years. Interventions mean the person is out of control. She even made the parallel with Debarge who had a deep rooted drug problem.

Something does not jive...but anyway...I guess we will never know the truth.

Janet did not make that parallel with Debarge, that was the narration. She only mention Debarge in a sense how you want to help someone who had a problem with drugs, not that Michael was an addict.

She also never used the word intervention, the interviewer did. She said the family confronted Michael about what they thought was a drug problem.

She only said they were not very successful because his drug problem was partial responsible for his death. That could of be why they were worried about him. He had several strange habits: not eating, barely sleeping, and going long periods of time with calling. Not to mention his medical problems.

Janet and the family could of been afraid that Michael's medical issues as well as his habits may cause him to do something harmful to himself and wanted him to get help for it.

But like you said, we may never know.

 

[Kane]

If Michael was loving, friendly and kind, why are some of his fans the opposite?:scratch:

Because they're not Michael. His message may have been to be just that but some people can't/won't just change because of Michael.

However, I do agree. I don't see why Janet/Jackson Family bashing is going on. This board is here for Michael so I don't feel it's right to be bashing Janet or any member of his family. And none of it seems to get deleted....

 

[earthlyme]

There is a lot of animosity b/w Mike and Jan fans. I don't know what it is. I'm a fan of both, well I'm Mike's more but that doesn't give me the right to belittle other artists, Esp. Janet.

What we gotta understand is that Janet is Michael's sister and we gotta be Extra sensitive about saying anything bad about her. I've seen the Interview with Robin Roberts and even though i didnt agree with her on some things i still respect her.

Just because we don't agree with what other ppl.s fans say doesn't mean we gotta bash their artist...that's just plain stupid. If they have said or done something to upset us by talking about Mike, then we gotta take it one step at a time, we can solve it peacefully not in a hateful way...Yes, we feel that Michael is The greatest Entertainer, philanthropist, dancer, singer, Loving...etc...

If they dont agree, then we decide to agree to disagree...its easy really!

Remember What MIke said? "It's all for love, L.O.V.E."...and what are we doing? arguing and fighting with other artists fans or even in our own community...Well so much for spreading Michael's Message...

This is my opinion and I dont expect everyone to agree but think about it...What do we get out of comparing Mike, to Jan or anyone else for that matter.

Keep on Michaeling y'all

L.O.V.E.
Romi

 

[earthlyme]

ummmm, how do Michael and Janet fans not get along!?!?! That's just weird.

I know, I would have expected at least these two fans could band together...

But you cant always get what you want, right?

L.O.V.E.
Romi

 

[MJsPYT1]

I do know, It's just some fan type thing. I mean I like them both. Maybe it has something to do with many things that both sides see. Just because they are brother and sister doesn't mean that some people will like both of them. Some prefer Michael, some prefer Janet and other prefer Both siblings (like me).

*sigh* I know that nobody has to like both.
But how can you be fans of a brother and/or a sister that clearly loved each other deeply, and talk bad about the other one?
Especially when it comes to Michael and Janet.

This topic is one of the saddest I have ever seen. Why are Michael fans bashing Janet fans and why are Janet fans bashing Michael fans??

For the MJ fans- do you think Mike would find it so amazing that you are talking bad about his sister, and you KNOW Janet isn't taking anybody talking bad about her brother.

ALL THIS NONSENSE SHOULD STOP NOW. IF YOU CANT GO IN A THREAD WITHOUT POSTING BAD ABOUT MICHAEL OR JANET, THEN YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE.

 

[Scary13]

I am a fan of Michael and Janet. I have been a fan of both of them, practically, my whole life. I've seen Janet fans on a Janet forum that were dismissive of Michael and acted as if Janet did not associate with her brother or the rest of the family, which we all know that is B.S. I always figured there was jealousy because maybe they felt that Janet would always be overlooked and everyone would always want to focus on Michael. Or some thought Michael thought he was too good to hang out with the rest of his family when they had gatherings and he didn't show up. They seem to forget that, like Janet, Michael had a busy schedule and worked quite a bit. Because of work, Michael was not always able to make every family gathering. Since Michael's death, I haven't seen any MJ bashing from the Janet fans. They seem to be very respectful now because they know how hard of a loss this is for Janet. This doesn't mean all the Janet fans are like this, but this what I have seen from some at one of the fan boards.

 

[marebear]

I always liked Janet. I can't say I really liked the interview too much but I still like her. I felt her pain and I saw a lot of Michael in her. I am glad she has a picture of him the last time she saw him and that when they were together they had a good time.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

from my experience most are fans of both anyway. or that how it is over here.mj fans have always tended to support janet, ive been to janet concerts and seen more mj shirts.

 

[Adore]

"Talking out of your ass" is a common colloquial phrase in which a person or persons are speaking malarkey or formulating not so well-thought out opinions. There is nothing wrong with that. If you take offense to that, I would recommend that you not visit messages boards as the phrase has been used prior to this, being used now, and will be used later on in the future.:wub:

Still disrespectful though.

People do talk out of their butts or you can use the term talking head if you want. If someone is acting like a fool and being disrespectful they should be call it.

If you are in a bad move, someone saying "talking out of their ass", my be insulting, but you also have to look at it in context.

To say to someone they are 'talking out of their ass' because you disagree with them, is disrespectful, so by your standards they should be called out on it. Sooooooo...

But, I have seen fans online complaining for yrs against each other. Some Janet fans were mad about the 93 case saying it didn't help Janet and her new CD at the time which I thought was stupid

It is stupid, because that is her biggest selling album to date, lmao.

This topic is one of the saddest I have ever seen. Why are Michael fans bashing Janet fans and why are Janet fans bashing Michael fans??

I've seen some of the things Janet fans say on message boards, and tbh I think it all stems from jealously and bitterness. Bitter that Janet always has and always will live in the shadow of Michael's achievements. And as everyone knows, a small section of MJ fans can get a little extreme sometimes. To them, no one is ever allowed to say or think anything that can be remotely construed as 'negative' or unhelpful about Michael, and if they do, they go on the shit list of 'haters'.

ALL THIS NONSENSE SHOULD STOP NOW. IF YOU CANT GO IN A THREAD WITHOUT POSTING BAD ABOUT MICHAEL OR JANET, THEN YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE.

But talking bad about Joe or Jermaine seems to be fine here. Just sayin'. It doesn't add up, there are double standards on these boards regarding what people can say about the family. People here have said things like so-and-so Jackson should kill themselves, or 'we should only call Joe 'scumbag' from now on', and nothing gets done. If someone were to say that about Janet, you're saying it's unacceptable? So the only members of the Jackson family we are not allowed to dislike here are Michael, Janet and Michael's children? :mello:

 

[Dutchie]

Is it Jealousy, Hate, Insecurity?...What?

I'm a Michael AND Janet fan myself....so I can't answer this I guess. I have friends who are Janet fans, and friends who are MJ fans and I get along with them all.

HOWEVER, Michael and Janet are really 2 different personalities even though they are siblings....so of course the fans are going to be a little different as well. Just to give an example; Michael would send pizza down to the fans waiting outside his hotel and wave at the fans when leaving. A Janet fan told me once that Janet would generally leave through the backdoor to avoid the fans :lol:

 

[MarielovesMJ]

*sigh* I know that nobody has to like both.
But how can you be fans of a brother and/or a sister that clearly loved each other deeply, and talk bad about the other one?
Especially when it comes to Michael and Janet.

It's a fan war sadly that has got into some things (the fam bashing IMHO has got so out of control), one fan of one sibling says something bad about another fan of a another sibling and some fans feel that they have to defend that other sibling at times leading to insults sadly. It's the same with every performers fanbase sibling or not.

 

[Memefan]

ok, so as michael would say... this is all in L.O.V.E...really, Im not trying to start anything here just understand your points...

are you saying you think Michael was a junkie and a danger to his children?

That is the thing..I don't think he was. But his family and his pseudo-friends make it sound like he was a junkie.

Janet did not make that parallel with Debarge, that was the narration. She only mention Debarge in a sense how you want to help someone who had a problem with drugs, not that Michael was an addict.

She also never used the word intervention, the interviewer did. She said the family confronted Michael about what they thought was a drug problem.

She only said they were not very successful because his drug problem was partial responsible for his death. That could of be why they were worried about him. He had several strange habits: not eating, barely sleeping, and going long periods of time with calling. Not to mention his medical problems.

Janet and the family could of been afraid that Michael's medical issues as well as his habits may cause him to do something harmful to himself and wanted him to get help for it.

But like you said, we may never know.

She did not explicitely say it, but that is what I got from the interview. If she thinks he was in denial....well that says it all.

 

[michaels wendy bird]

But talking bad about Joe or Jermaine seems to be fine here. Just sayin'. It doesn't add up, there are double standards on these boards regarding what people can say about the family. People here have said things like so-and-so Jackson should kill themselves, or 'we should only call Joe 'scumbag' from now on', and nothing gets done. If someone were to say that about Janet, you're saying it's unacceptable? So the only members of the Jackson family we are not allowed to dislike here are Michael, Janet and Michael's children? :mello:

It does not make sense does it??

 

[Ramona122003]

That is the thing..I don't think he was. But his family and his pseudo-friends make it sound like he was a junkie.



She did not explicitely say it, but that is what I got from the interview. If she thinks he was in denial....well that says it all.

Maybe he was in denial about his drug problem or thought he could solve everything by taking them. Janet gave her opinion, although she said herself she was not sure.

Also, the reason it came that way during the interview was because of the narration and them going straight to Janet's answer about drugs. It is an editing trick and we should know them well by now.

 

[Memefan]

Maybe he was in denial about his drug problem or thought he could solve everything by taking them. Janet gave her opinion, although she said herself she was not sure.

Also, the reason it came that way during the interview was because of the narration and them going straight to Janet's answer about drugs. It is an editing trick and we should know them well by now.

Maybe, but I don't think most people care of these semantics.

all in all, I thought Robin Roberts did a great job. Nothing like that viper Diane Sawyer.

 

[Ramona122003]

Maybe, but I don't think most people care of these semantics.

all in all, I thought Robin Roberts did a great job. Nothing like that viper Diane Sawyer.

I just explaining what happen. I do not care when people put words in other people's mouths or twist what they say. That the BS that got Michael in trouble with the media. Do I need to remain people of the infamous, Living with Michael Jackson about how you words can get screwed up.

 

[144000]

Maybe he was in denial about his drug problem or thought he could solve everything by taking them Janet gave her opinion, although she said herself she was not sure.

Also, the reason it came that way during the interview was because of the narration and them going straight to Janet's answer about drugs. It is an editing trick and we should know them well by now.

maybe he was not in denial and did not have a drug problem.

the bottom line is, no matter how you slice it, dice it, study it, dissect it, protect it, subject it...in the end..what i bolded is what most people will see, unless they are die hard Michael Jackson fans.(isn't that what you are perusing, since you wrote what i bolded?) and that is the crux of all this strife on the board. whatever abc television was trying to do, it looks as if they succeeded in doing it, and there is nothing, at this point, that Janet Jackson can do about it. they were able to use her as a tool, because people are asking questions about Michael. it doesn't matter if people agree or disagree on what Janet Jackson said(because they DO disagree on what she said..if that makes any sense)..and it doesn't matter how fans treat each other, because it's out there. the damage is done...and people have their thoughts..and there is nothing that one person can do about another person's thoughts.

and when a person lashes out at another fan, it denotes that the lasher is feeling afraid..insecure that the cause that they are defending is in trouble. nobody ever lashes out, unless they feel that their cause is in trouble.

the bottom line is...what Janet Jackson said, has caused dissension among the fans. it did not unite the fans. and all the arguing, hating each other, feeling that their logic is better than the other, or, whatever, can never change that. and, one fan accusing another fan of abject hate, does not help the situation..it only makes it worse. if someone is trying to help Janet Jackson, by accusing someone else of utter hate, while living in a glass house, then they are not helping her cause. they are only making themselves feel better. nobody wins. there is nothing valid about the statements of fans that bash one another. the only thing it accomplishes is the closing of a thread.

and, while i'm at it...it really is a trend on these boards. people tend to deny it, but it is a trend. i've seen a lot of closed threads. people say that things are fine, but they are not. sure, nobody gets controversial in threads about 'you really are an obsessed MJ fan when'-type threads, but the controversial threads...i can always see it coming. they will end up closed.

 

[MJsBollywoodGirl7]

I could never understand that. I guess probably because I love Janet as much as I love Michael. Plus Janet and Michael are my 2 number 1 favorite singers. Even though I prefer listening to Michael more than his sister.

 

[MJsPYT1]

I've seen some of the things Janet fans say on message boards, and tbh I think it all stems from jealously and bitterness. Bitter that Janet always has and always will live in the shadow of Michael's achievements. And as everyone knows, a small section of MJ fans can get a little extreme sometimes. To them, no one is ever allowed to say or think anything that can be remotely construed as 'negative' or unhelpful about Michael, and if they do, they go on the shit list of 'haters'.

well, there goes more hating.

But talking bad about Joe or Jermaine seems to be fine here. Just sayin'. It doesn't add up, there are double standards on these boards regarding what people can say about the family. People here have said things like so-and-so Jackson should kill themselves, or 'we should only call Joe 'scumbag' from now on', and nothing gets done. If someone were to say that about Janet, you're saying it's unacceptable? So the only members of the Jackson family we are not allowed to dislike here are Michael, Janet and Michael's children? :mello:

It does not make sense does it??

ummmm, I don't remember saying that in any of my post.

I didn't say the only members of the Jackson family you aren't allowed to dislike are MJ, Jan, and the kids. The topic of this thread was Michael and Janet fans, therefore I gave my 2 cents on Michael and Janet fans.

Clearly people are angry and taking out their anger on whoever they want to in Michael's family.

 

[Ramona122003]

maybe he was not in denial and did not have a drug problem.

the bottom line is, no matter how you slice it, dice it, study it, dissect it, protect it, subject it...in the end..what i bolded is what most people will see, unless they are die hard Michael Jackson fans.(isn't that what you are perusing, since you wrote what i bolded?) and that is the crux of all this strife on the board. whatever abc television was trying to do, it looks as if they succeeded in doing it, and there is nothing, at this point, that Janet Jackson can do about it.

I fail to see your point. What does Janet has to take back if this is what she meant.

I am simply stated what I saw from the interview. I do not believe Michael drug addict with current facts, but I do believe he may of had a drug problem. If you need something to knock you out at night because other means does not work, this tells me something is wrong. He either had one heck of a sleep problem, he build a very strong immunity to sleeping pills, or it is a little bit of both.

Maybe it was all just his insomnia and Janet mistaken it for a drug problem. I do not know, I am not his sister and I do not know what she saw. I cannot completely discount everything Janet says because I do not agree with it, but I do not think she knows the whole truth either.

In the end, these things work themselves out and I will just sit back and wait for the results. As you said, you can cry foul all you want about Janet's interview, but it does not change a thing.

 

[144000]

I fail to see your point. What does Janet has to take back if this is what she meant.

I am simply stated what I saw from the interview. I do not believe Michael drug addict with current facts, but I do believe he may of had a drug problem. If you need something to knock you out at night because other means does not work, this tells me something is wrong. He either had one heck of a sleep problem, he build a very strong immunity to sleeping pills, or it is a little bit of both.

Maybe it was all just his insomnia and Janet mistaken it for a drug problem. I do not know, I am not his sister and I do not know what she saw. I cannot completely discount everything Janet says because I do not agree with it, but I do not think she knows the whole truth either.

In the end, these things work themselves out and I will just sit back and wait for the results. As you said, you can cry foul all you want about Janet's interview, but it does not change a thing.

i agree with you. i'm not saying that they had to work on what Janet said. they didn't need to. she said what they wanted her to say, and they used it as a tool. and i(who am entitled to my opinion) do not like what she said. i think it hurt and betrayed Michael. and that is not hating Janet, on my part. giving an opinion on someone's words, based on the way i honestly feel, does not automatically denote hate. if i did hate Janet, i would come right out, and say so. i would say, that i hate Janet...but i don't. so i won't say it. to hate her, to me, would be to attack her, personally, call her names, etc. but what i am doing, is disagreeing with her words, and stating my feeling on what those words did.

i guess my point is this. you, and many other people think Michael had a sleep problem. and i don't think he had a sleep problem. i remember a quote that Michael said, where he said...'don't judge me, unless you talk to me, one on one'.

if i study MJ's words carefully, i do not remember MJ saying that he had a sleep problem. i do remember him saying that he would get up at night, because of his creativity. there is a difference. my ulitmate point is, that a lot of people have assessed what problems, MJ may or may not have had, based on the heresay of everybody except Michael Jackson. they have heard from Robin Roberts, Janet Jackson, and a host of other people. but all their words differ from Michael's own words. that is my point.

the extent of Michael's own words..via satellite television, on the subject of drugs were the word 'dependency' due to a scalp operation. and that was more than fifteen years ago..and only for a very short time. the word 'dependency' and the word 'addiction', are two different words, with entirely different meanings.

 

[ReneeM]

maybe he was not in denial and did not have a drug problem.

the bottom line is, no matter how you slice it, dice it, study it, dissect it, protect it, subject it...in the end..what i bolded is what most people will see, unless they are die hard Michael Jackson fans.(isn't that what you are perusing, since you wrote what i bolded?) and that is the crux of all this strife on the board. whatever abc television was trying to do, it looks as if they succeeded in doing it, and there is nothing, at this point, that Janet Jackson can do about it. they were able to use her as a tool, because people are asking questions about Michael. it doesn't matter if people agree or disagree on what Janet Jackson said(because they DO disagree on what she said..if that makes any sense)..and it doesn't matter how fans treat each other, because it's out there. the damage is done...and people have their thoughts..and there is nothing that one person can do about another person's thoughts.

and when a person lashes out at another fan, it denotes that the lasher is feeling afraid..insecure that the cause that they are defending is in trouble. nobody ever lashes out, unless they feel that their cause is in trouble.

the bottom line is...what Janet Jackson said, has caused dissension among the fans. it did not unite the fans. and all the arguing, hating each other, feeling that their logic is better than the other, or, whatever, can never change that. and, one fan accusing another fan of abject hate, does not help the situation..it only makes it worse. if someone is trying to help Janet Jackson, by accusing someone else of utter hate, while living in a glass house, then they are not helping her cause. they are only making themselves feel better. nobody wins. there is nothing valid about the statements of fans that bash one another. the only thing it accomplishes is the closing of a thread.

and, while i'm at it...it really is a trend on these boards. people tend to deny it, but it is a trend. i've seen a lot of closed threads. people say that things are fine, but they are not. sure, nobody gets controversial in threads about 'you really are an obsessed MJ fan when'-type threads, but the controversial threads...i can always see it coming. they will end up closed.

There were people bashing Janet even before this interview aired.

 

[144000]

There were people bashing Janet even before this interview aired.

i didn't see it. and i wasn't one of them..but anyway..who isn't bashed? there's Michael bashing, too.