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Why Can't Michael & Janet fans get along?

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I get along with all of Mike fans and I respect pplz opinions. However some Mike fans constantly try to belittle other artists.

I have two friends on here that I talk to regularly and we get along just great. We crack jokes about Mike and Janet all the time. :happy:
 
In any fan board, it is popular to belittle other artists to make yours look better. I always see how other artist sucks or overrated when compare to Michael, no matter how talented they are. Sure, they may not be as talented as Michael, but few are. Which is funny in some ways considering Michael respected and love alot of of the new artists from many different genres and acknowledge their talent.

Also, given recent events people are even more sensitive than usual.
 
because people love to hate and judge. janet isn't "acting" the way some fans would like, they think she using michael, making him look bad and a whole lot of other bull. it's crazy

anyways i like both of them but michael definitely has my heart :wub:
 
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Lonely17 said:
I get along with all of Mike fans and I respect pplz opinions. However some Mike fans constantly try to belittle other artists.

I have two friends on here that I talk to regularly and we get along just great. We crack jokes about Mike and Janet all the time. :happy:
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no..i have seen you not show respect. the term 'talkin out their azz' is not a term of respect.

anyway...the reasons are what the OP suggested.

let's just admit to the human elements, here.

it's pointless for people here to paint themselves as above board, because it's phony. everybody is going for the jugular, and that is the truth.
 
Unfortunately it might not just be Michael & Janet fans... Fans of Usher, Justin Timberlake, etc. might not get a long with Jackson fans either. Maybe they are afraid of competition or comparison between the two.

If Michael did have competition between his little sister, it was healthy competition. No career is worth loosing a family bond over. People should relax a little more.
 
vncwilliam said:
no..i have seen you not show respect. the term 'talkin out their azz' is not a term of respect.

anyway...the reasons are what the OP suggested.

let's just admit to the human elements, here.

it's pointless for people here to paint themselves as above board, because it's phony. everybody is going for the jugular, and that is the truth.
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"Talking out of your ass" is a common colloquial phrase in which a person or persons are speaking malarkey or formulating not so well-thought out opinions. There is nothing wrong with that. If you take offense to that, I would recommend that you not visit messages boards as the phrase has been used prior to this, being used now, and will be used later on in the future.:wub:
 
I agree. I would be horrified if Michael could read all the stuff his fans have posted about his family, especially Janet and his mother.

I think that anyone in the Jackson family cannot win with some of Michael's fans. These fans will use anything the family does against them.

Michael adored Janet and Janet adored Michael. Therefore, I respect Janet. I saw nothing wrong with what she said in the interview because she was telling the truth as far as she was concerned. We can't ignore something just because it isn't pretty.

Also, as far as her talking about Michael to promote her CD. . . umm, Janet was going to have to talk about it sometime. She's been very good during her radio interviews. But I think she knew that she would need to talk about how she has been doing publicly. But she has not abused that responsibility like Jermaine and LaToya have.
 
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Lonely17 said:
"Talking out of your ass" is a common colloquial phrase in which a person or persons are speaking malarkey or formulating not so well-thought out opinions. There is nothing wrong with that. If you take offense to that, I would recommend that you not visit messages boards as the phrase has been used prior to this, being used now, and will be used later on in the future.:wub:
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the fact that you see nothing wrong with it, makes it worse. and the sarcasm smiley doesn't help. no..there is no respect. if you think a person is speaking what you call malarkey is your opinion. someone can think that about you, as well. of course you will think that you are not 'talking out your azz' and someone else will think they are not. and no one is getting anywhere.
 
elmari said:
I agree. I would be horrified if Michael could read all the stuff his fans have posted about his family, especially Janet and his mother.

I think that anyone in the Jackson family cannot win with some of Michael's fans. These fans will use anything the family does against them.

Michael adored Janet and Janet adored Michael. Therefore, I respect Janet. I saw nothing wrong with what she said in the interview because she was telling the truth as far as she was concerned.
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it's suspect when you clear yourself and blame someone else. it takes the validity away from your argument. i said EVERYBODY is guilty, because it's true. and you really don't know how Michael would feel...you really don't know about that family, any more than anyone else.
 
I've always been a die hard Michael fan, I do not care for any other Jacksons, but I just ignore them. It's really not that difficult.
I don't understand the verbal wars and attacks, the spitefullness of some of them scares me a little, to be frank. But there are also very respectful and well thought out opinions being posted, so it's not all bad, bad, bad.
You like Janet, I like Michael - great. Now lets have coffee.
 
vncwilliam said:
the fact that you see nothing wrong with it, makes it worse. and the sarcasm smiley doesn't help. no..there is no respect. if you think a person is speaking what you call malarkey is your opinion. someone can think that about you, as well. of course you will think that you are not 'talking out your azz' and someone else will think they are not. and no one is getting anywhere.
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People do talk out of their butts or you can use the term talking head if you want. If someone is acting like a fool and being disrespectful they should be call it. The general problem with any written text that since you cannot hear tone, you have to make an assumption about what the person meant.

Like you make an assumption on one of my post that I was angry and yelling, which is not true. I made an observation and I write my post. I do not assume anything about a person, but I will comment about the general discussion of a forum, especially when it is negative.

If you are in a bad move, someone saying "talking out of their ass", my be insulting, but you also have to look at it in context.

Also, the majority of people on these forums general do respect one another, even if they disagree on a subject. You may see more rude statements when a person or persons descends into character attacks, which would get anyone up in arms.
 
The world as we know it is wrought with a serious duality complex.

There's no gray area for most. Everything is either black or white, up or down right or wrong ....and it translates into petty squabbles over something as basic as two recording artists, even if they happen to be brother and sister.

Some folks just don't get that you can LOVE one thing/person without HATING the other.

It's very sad.
 
vncwilliam said:
it's suspect when you clear yourself and blame someone else. it takes the validity away from your argument. i said EVERYBODY is guilty, because it's true. and you really don't know how Michael would feel...you really don't know about that family, any more than anyone else.
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I respect your opinion. But what is exactly your purpose in all of these posts? Do you want all of Michael's fans to blame his family for what happened to him?

I agree that I don't know how Michael really feels, but I ask the same of you. How do YOU know how he felt about Janet?

I go on history. Michael has said that he was the closest to Janet and she has stated the same thing many times. He called her his twin. Janet has always put herself out there to defend Michael when needed to. Michael said he's always been very protective of her.

It just bewilders me how much hatred some fans have for his family. I can understand Joe, Randy, Latoya and Jermaine because they have overstepped boundaries many times. But I've read attacks on Katherine and Janet, which are uncalled for, IMO. I stand by my statement that I believe Michael would be incredibly disappointed in some of his fans if he read the stuff that is written about his mother and Janet.

Anyways, you can have your opinion and I will keep mine on this matter.
 
elmari said:
I respect your opinion. But what is exactly your purpose in all of these posts? Do you want all of Michael's fans to blame his family for what happened to him?

I agree that I don't know how Michael really feels, but I ask the same of you. How do YOU know how he felt about Janet?

I go on history. Michael has said that he was the closest to Janet and she has stated the same thing many times. He called her his twin. Janet has always put herself out there to defend Michael when needed to. Michael said he's always been very protective of her.

It just bewilders me how much hatred some fans have for his family. I can understand Joe, Randy, Latoya and Jermaine because they have overstepped boundaries many times. But I've read attacks on Katherine and Janet, which are uncalled for, IMO. I stand by my statement that I believe Michael would be incredibly disappointed in some of his fans if he read the stuff that is written about his mother and Janet.

Anyways, you can have your opinion and I will keep mine on this matter.
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you're right. it is your opinion. since you have left out how Michael would feel about fans who attack Latoya, or anyone else. fans who accuse other fans of hate, express hate, themselves, so i don't know how you can be bewildered. Michael forgave Latoya...and appears to have shown his love for her, too. the bottom line is, everybody is living in a glass house, here, and proseletyzing at the same time. everyone serves the same purpose for posting. no use in being the preacher, when a mirror is in order. everyone says they respect each others' opinion, but that is simply not the case. if two people see a Janet interview, two different ways, tespect requires not turning the convo on the fans. there are differing opinions. that is that. not that i should mention it, but TMZ was firing salvos at Janet Jackson, so, apparently, they see Janet lowering the boom on Michael. you can't pretend like your way is the only way to see something. everyone feels their opinion is valid. the fact is, the rules here state, we are not to turn our frustration out on other members. if we have a thought about a subject, and say we respect another's opinion, we won't turn our comments against another fan. if i have an opinion on Janet, and i say i respect someone who disagrees with me, i won't bring the fan into the conversation.

Michael will always be a beautiful person who said a lot of beautiful things about a lot of people...including his fans. that doesn't mean we know what went on behind the scenes.

for the record, people can be seeing different things. what i see is fans who say that they love Janet..not hate her, but feel they just want to defend Michael..a person who loved everybody, and is not here to defend himself.
 
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^ well said!

if we all agree to disagree and let people have their own views, no matter what they are or how much it bugs you that you think its wrong, threads won't close lol i'm so sad i have no where to discuss the interview now that i've seen it
 
I LOVE Michael and LIKE Janet. I have all their albums and record both their interviews and videos as much as I could and have and things like that! But, I'm a bigger MJ fan! I never met a hard core Janet fan in my life only MJ, but of course their out their! I never talked bad about Janet to her fans and never will don't have a reason too.

But, I have seen fans online complaining for yrs against each other. Some Janet fans were mad about the 93 case saying it didn't help Janet and her new CD at the time which I thought was stupid and people saying Janet career was taking over MJ's in the 90's and all that mess, and the press was not helping by saying things like that too, like today comparing for example Rhythm Nation hits to Thriller hits saying she had more on the Primetime interview! *rolles eyes* I mean for what?. Their also was a Janet fan once on TV saying "watch out MJ your sister's kicking your ass" which was rude as if Janet would want her fans saying things like that! So this is my memory of how and when it got started from way back then! Unfortunately this isn't new!
 
I am not a musical fan of Janet, however, as a person she is beautiful and had nothing but love and support for her brother. I am never without disgust at the attitude and venom I read on this forum directed at Janet. I could list you a million reasons why you should all have respect for this wonderful woman and beautiful sister, but in all honesty, after some of the disrespect and stubborness I have read on this subject... I can only imagine it would fall on deaf ears.

It is my humble opinion that some members of this forum need to educate themselves on Janet before they pass judgement in such an ugly,ugly way.
 
Here is the full interview:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh85KON6e041wwg45A

Question: Since she did not know about Propofol, I am guessing she is referring to his demerol addiction. Does Janet know that the autopsy does not show any of these drugs in MJ's system?

I liked the interview...just hope they would have discussed the insomnia bouts that let him to this path.

ETA: one peculiar moment in the interview, when Roberts mentioned Paris' speech at the public memorial. She asked Janet if she "wanted to scooped" Paris to comfort her...and Janet said all of them. She named Paris, Blanket & Prince. I hated the fact that Roberts wanted to focus on MJ3, but Janet felt the need to include the cousins. I don't think it is fair to compare MJ3's grief, who had just lost their ONLY parent, to the cousins' losing one of 6+ uncles.
I hope I am reading too much into this, but the pack mentality is just "weird" to me. It is always, the kids AND cousins this, cousins that.....no individuality.

Anyway, that bit bugged me last night, and it hit me again today.
 
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Memefan said:
Here is the full interview:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh85KON6e041wwg45A

Question: Since she did not know about Propofol, I am guessing she is referring to his demerol addiction. Does Janet know that the autopsy does not show any of these drugs in MJ's system?

I liked the interview...just hope they would have discuss the insomnia bouts that let him to this path.
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If you notice, we never actually see the interviewer ask the questions about drugs. All we have is the narrator lead into the question, which suggest alot. We do not know exactly what she was asked. She could had been talking about bouts when he may had minor relapse.

Also, maybe Janet does feel his past addiction lead him to use Propofol to sleep. Not in an addict way, but just in the fact he is known to abuse drugs. She could had meant he was in denial about getting help for his sleep problems and did not get the help he needed. She seemed surprise by the Propofol and not so much about him using heavy drugs to sleep.

Keep in mind that Janet could be guessing too. Michael did have several habits that tend to lean towards someone with a drug problem. Namely, not eating much, sleeping occasionally, and locking himself in his recording studio and not being seen for hours without being seen.

Her family could also had influence her in this area since she was the only sibling who could visit Michael without calling ahead. You can take note of this strong bond because in Michael's private home movies, because of all the sibling Janet was the only one he talked in lengths about and showed her in a water balloon fight with him and Mac. All the other siblings were only mention when he talked about his childhood memories.

They could had told her that Michael had a drug problem and talked to him about it. Since she marry an addict, she may had thought he was in denial.

There is so many what ifs and Janet was very vague to the point that we may never know what she was referring to.
 
danniilee said:
I am not a musical fan of Janet, however, as a person she is beautiful and had nothing but love and support for her brother. I am never without disgust at the attitude and venom I read on this forum directed at Janet. I could list you a million reasons why you should all have respect for this wonderful woman and beautiful sister, but in all honesty, after some of the disrespect and stubborness I have read on this subject... I can only imagine it would fall on deaf ears.

It is my humble opinion that some members of this forum need to educate themselves on Janet before they pass judgement in such an ugly,ugly way.
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Very well said. I am horrified at what I've been reading on this forum about Janet. I like her as a musical talent but I really love her a person and all that's she's overcome to be a success on her own terms.

Of all the Jacksons I never thought I would see the hate that's been posted on this board towards Janet and Katherine.

It's so disappointing.
 
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I wondered how they went about these intervenions? I find it cruel, if they knew MJ had such a bad problems with drugs that they left the three kids knowing they might be exposed to things they shouldn't be.

They should have involved authorities, for sure MJ would have been mad but at least he would have face the music and seek help. And his kids would have been out of harm's way...with their dad.

I have a love-hate relationship for the Jacksons (except Jermaine, Latoya & Joe mostly disgust & contempt) , one can never be sure what motivates them.

Anyway, RIP MJ, well deserved.
 
Memefan said:
I wondered how they went about these intervenions? I find it cruel, if they knew MJ had such a bad problems with drugs that they left the three kids knowing they might be exposed to things they shouldn't be.

They should have involved authorities, for sure MJ would have been mad but at least he would have face the music and seek help. And his kids would have been out of harm's way...with their dad.

I have a love-hate relationship for the Jacksons (except Jermaine, Latoya & Joe mostly disgust & contempt) , one can never be sure what motivates them.

Anyway, RIP MJ, well deserved.
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Whatever your personal feelings towards them...everyone should respect the fact they have lost a beloved member of their immediate family. None of us know a) how it feels to be them right now. b)have ever walked in their shoes c)were ever in the position they were in regarding these alleged interventions. None of us have a right to judge, and you certainly cant judge how someone reacts to personal tragedy and grief.

I think its high time members of this forum remember the word RESPECT.
 
as a fore note - none of that was aimed at you Meme Fan... but MJJC members in general... as I have said before, the lack of respect shown towards a grieving family on this forum is appalling. It is hard enough having to deal with grief as it is, without having to do it in the limelight while the world is watching your every reaction.
 
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