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My hope (and bear with me, because this may be naive) is that after T40 they will do another posthumous studio album and perhaps include Hot Street and/or Nightline on those? Not necessarily save them for T50... though, who can say.

To me it would make sense to jumpstart multiple MJ releases after T40, since it's the most reliable seller anniversary/album wise. It's a good way to test the waters, so to speak, for MJ content.

I guess time will tell 🤷‍♀️
 
staywild23 said:
My hope (and bear with me, because this may be naive) is that after T40 they will do another posthumous studio album and perhaps include Hot Street and/or Nightline on those? Not necessarily save them for T50... though, who can say.
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I certainly hope for something like this. I don't wanna wait for T50, thanks very much.

staywild23 said:
To me it would make sense to jumpstart multiple MJ releases after T40, since it's the most reliable seller anniversary/album wise. It's a good way to test the waters, so to speak, for MJ content.
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Exactly. If T40 does well and there is a momentum to capitalise on, just go for it!

staywild23 said:
I guess time will tell 🤷‍♀️
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Indeed. Fingers crossed but ... who knows?
 
Personally I hope they're not holding Nite Line back for a studio albums because I don't think it's strong enough (sorry @Nite Line ) but I can understand Hot Street being held back given Michael's comments on the song.

TGIM solo would have been nice rather than CGOTR but that's minor gripe.

My 3 questions about Disc 2 are..

What will What A Lovely Way To Go and Who Do You Know sound like?

Does Behind The Mask have the "who do you love" backgrounds running throughout like Greg Phillinganes's version?

Is Sunset Driver the same version we have on the Ultimate Collection?

I'm excited to find out on the 18th.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Personally I hope they're not holding Nite Line back for a studio albums because I don't think it's strong enough (sorry @Nite Line ) but I can understand Hot Street being held back given Michael's comments on the song.

TGIM solo would have been nice rather than CGOTR but that's minor gripe.

My 3 questions about Disc 2 are..

What will What A Lovely Way To Go and Who Do You Know sound like?

Does Behind The Mask have the "who do you love" backgrounds running throughout like Greg Phillinganes's version?

Is Sunset Driver the same version we have on the Ultimate Collection?

I'm excited to find out on the 18th.
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In the midst of this let's not forget that we'll also finally get to hear the original version of Best Of Joy (or at least we'll have an idea of how it sounds like). After 8 years of content drought it's an exciting time to be a fan that's for sure!
 
zinniabooklover said:
Fair point but he wanted out by then so I guess that was never gonna happen. Can't blame him, really. He was straining at the leash to get away, it seems to me. Poor guy.
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Well, it seems Michael was enthusiastic about the album up untill some certain point. Why else would he have considered songs like WDYK or BB for inclusion?

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Michael Jackson: Trouble in Paradise?

Michael Jackson is about to embark on what may be the biggest tour ever. But the struggle for power in the Jackson camp could lead to a major disaster
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At Epic, preparations are already under way for the forthcoming Jacksons album, entitled Victory. Frank Dileo is already raving about the one track he’s heard, “Buffalo Bill,” Michael’s latest uptempo dance composition. And, according to Walter Yetnikoff, Mick Jagger may also sing a duet with Michael.​
 
is it just me or was Spice of Life a demo of baby be mine? they sound so sinlular
 
Fuzball said:
Well, it seems Michael was enthusiastic about the album up untill some certain point. Why else would he have considered songs like WDYK or BB for inclusion?

www.rollingstone.com

Michael Jackson: Trouble in Paradise?

Michael Jackson is about to embark on what may be the biggest tour ever. But the struggle for power in the Jackson camp could lead to a major disaster
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com
At Epic, preparations are already under way for the forthcoming Jacksons album, entitled Victory. Frank Dileo is already raving about the one track he’s heard, “Buffalo Bill,” Michael’s latest uptempo dance composition. And, according to Walter Yetnikoff, Mick Jagger may also sing a duet with Michael.​
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What a missed opportunity for Sony. They could've taken the chance to use the reissues as an excuse to release the outtakes, but instead they just tack on remixes.

Meh...
 
Hi everyone , I am a new member!

I once heard a theory that 'Buffalo Bill' turned into 'Al Capone', is there any truth to this..?
Secondly.. did MJ actually ever claim he recorded hundreds of songs for each album or did he say/meant he just written so many?
 
Scared of the Moon said:
from facebook:
Michael first wrote and started work on this song in 1980 but was still working on it in February 1982 and considered it as a song for the Thriller album. When it failed to make the cut for “Thriller”, Michael considered it again for The Jacksons’ Victory album but chose to contribute three other songs to that album: “State of Shock”, “Be Not Always” (co-written with his brother Marlon) and “The Hurt” (co-written with his brother Randy, David Paich and Steve Porcaro). This demo has never been released previously.
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seems like it did not fit Thriller, but was also not strong enough for Victory - an album much weaker than Thriller. So the song might not be one that plays in the same league as Hot Street or Streetwalker. My assumption is it will be better than Got the hots, weaker than HS and overall maybe as good as Niteline is.

Anyway, thats just my assumption. I am excited and hope its not a ballad.
 
Here's to hoping the mastering of the second disc won't be a compressed, distorted and clipped mess like Bad 25.
 
MJbr2 said:
It seems Target (?) will have it an exclusive 2-LP set.
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From my source, HMV is having a 2-LP set too
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My question about Who Do You Know... Was it ever presented to Quincy? Michael was known to be shy and hold back stuff for Quincy to hear. So I wonder about this.
 
Fuzball said:
Well, it seems Michael was enthusiastic about the album up untill some certain point. Why else would he have considered songs like WDYK or BB for inclusion?

www.rollingstone.com

Michael Jackson: Trouble in Paradise?

Michael Jackson is about to embark on what may be the biggest tour ever. But the struggle for power in the Jackson camp could lead to a major disaster
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com
At Epic, preparations are already under way for the forthcoming Jacksons album, entitled Victory. Frank Dileo is already raving about the one track he’s heard, “Buffalo Bill,” Michael’s latest uptempo dance composition. And, according to Walter Yetnikoff, Mick Jagger may also sing a duet with Michael.​
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Be Not Always seemed like a throwaway song just to put something on the album. It was never intended to have a video or be a radio hit. He clearly had better stuff but chose not to use it.
 
Derek1984 said:
My question about Who Do You Know... Was it ever presented to Quincy? Michael was known to be shy and hold back stuff for Quincy to hear. So I wonder about this.
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I'm thinking not. Sessions for the album began in April (right?) and I guess the last version of the song is the one which has been registered in February.
 
MJbr2 said:
I'm thinking not. Sessions for the album began in April (right?) and I guess the last version of the song is the one which has been registered in February.
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It still could have been presented to Quincy as pre-production meetings took place at the Encino house in late 1981. The Girl Is Mine, for example, was presented to Paul McCartney in December, 81’ after Michael had shown it to Quincy.
 
MJbr2 said:
I'm thinking not. Sessions for the album began in April (right?) and I guess the last version of the song is the one which has been registered in February.
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Demo sessions began sometime after September 1981. "The Girl Is Mine" was done in April 1982. Rest of the record was done between August & October, with mixing in November.
 
Victorious said:
Hi everyone , I am a new member!

I once heard a theory that 'Buffalo Bill' turned into 'Al Capone', is there any truth to this..?
Secondly.. did MJ actually ever claim he recorded hundreds of songs for each album or did he say/meant he just written so many?
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"Buffalo Bill" and "Al Capone" are two separate tracks. "Buffalo Bill" was done earlier, during the Victory era (83-84), while "Al Capone" was done during the early Bad sessions (85).

As far as numbers of tracks go, it varies. If I recall correctly, in the Mexico deposition, he claims to have written "fifty to sixty" songs for each album. That's not to say all were recorded, though.

He worked on many ideas during the creation of his records - some were finished and released, while the rest exist in varying stages of completion. A handful are complete, others may only have scratch vocals or a chorus.

John Barnes commented "sixty to sixty-five" songs were demoed for Bad. Brad Sundberg quoted "fifty" ideas for Dangerous. But, the numbers vary, according to the person giving the statement.
 
dethorro said:
It still could have been presented to Quincy as pre-production meetings took place at the Encino house in late 1981. The Girl Is Mine, for example, was presented to Paul McCartney in December, 81’ after Michael had shown it to Quincy.
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FlyAway0086 said:
Demo sessions began sometime after September 1981. "The Girl Is Mine" was done in April 1982. Rest of the record was done between August & October, with mixing in November.
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Thanks for the info, guys.

So, to add to this discussion: do you think the version of the song on the album is the same as the one on the cassette at the copyright office?
 
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