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What are the fundamental beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses.

Witnesses would be very grateful for that consideration Dats :)
 
Most denominations within Christianity are Trinitarian, and regard belief in the Trinity as a mark of Christian orthodoxy.
 
MJJChichi said:
Most denominations within Christianity are Trinitarian, and regard belief in the Trinity as a mark of Christian orthodoxy.
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Exactly.

The whole debate over what is considered Christian and what is not, is a matter of belief. Just like a JW would not consider me a true Christian, because I violate a major point in their definition of true christianity, I feel the same way about their religion.

However, I think it's important that regardless of whether you're a Trinitarian Christian, if you are a JW, if you a Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist, that when discussing the differences in beliefs, that we remain respectful.

That becomes difficult when talking about agreeing to disagree. Cause if it gets to a point where we have to both say that each other is right, we violate what we both believe in.

IMO it's better to say "That's what you believe, that's fine, and I love you regardless" which alot in this thread are living examples of. We probably all are in one way or the other. We gotta love each other as human beings regardless of beliefs, political views, nationality etc, but must not force each other to denounce what we stand for. Does that make sense?
 
Minnie said:
Exactly.

The whole debate over what is considered Christian and what is not, is a matter of belief. Just like a JW would not consider me a true Christian, because I violate a major point in their definition of true christianity, I feel the same way about their religion.

However, I think it's important that regardless of whether you're a Trinitarian Christian, if you are a JW, if you a Muslim, Hindu, or Atheist, that when discussing the differences in beliefs, that we remain respectful.

That becomes difficult when talking about agreeing to disagree. Cause if it gets to a point where we have to both say that each other is right, we violate what we both believe in.

IMO it's better to say "That's what you believe, that's fine, and I love you regardless" which alot in this thread are living examples of. We probably all are in one way or the other. We gotta love each other as human beings regardless of beliefs, political views, nationality etc, but must not force each other to denounce what we stand for. Does that make sense?
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it does, Minnie:)
 
As a matter of fact, a JW will not set foot in a Christian church, because we worship Jesus. A JW will only worship Jehova, and believe that worshipping Jesus is idol-worshipping.
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Minnie your opinion is definitely not fact. yes JWs worship Jehovah exclusively because this is what the Bible commands- even Jesus himself said it Luke 4:8. Thus making revering any sort of idol or spiritual representation wrong- 1Cor. 10:14.

Jesus was sent to earth to do the will of his father and JWs follow the example that Christ left thus making them followers of Christ- CHRISTIANS. Did not Christ preach from door to door?

They may not visit your church because they feel that the teachings are contrary to Bible principles. You wouldn't go to a school to be taught if you thought the instructers were misinformed.
 
The whole debate over what is considered Christian and what is not, is a matter of belief. Just like a JW would not consider me a true Christian, because I violate a major point in their definition of true christianity, I feel the same way about their religion.
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the truth does not change for anyone's beliefs. If you are a follower of Christ- you are a Christian. Matthew 6:9 - Jesus instucted his followers how to pray to God the Father in heaven.- Why would he do that if he was God almighty on earth? Why would he clearly say that he does nothing of his own initiative but that he does the will of the one who sent him? Why would he send himself to earth and instruct mankind to pray to him through his name?

The true God would not riddle us with mystery. It would not be a loving thing to do.
 
as a total no beleiver of anything religion i do tend to agree with alot of what the JW say.likewhat mimonde says above about prying to god in heaven etc. sounds like common sense that its 2 seperate ppl so to speak. of course alot of it as with all religions makes me go er yeah right! what i find scary about the JW's i know is how they bring it into everything and are so self rigthous interms of our views are right and everyone else is wrong.makes me laugh cause theres millions out there claiming the same lol
 
elusive moonwalker said:
as a total no beleiver of anything religion i do tend to agree with alot of what the JW say.likewhat mimonde says above about prying to god in heaven etc. sounds like common sense that its 2 seperate ppl so to speak. of course alot of it as with all religions makes me go er yeah right! what i find scary about the JW's i know is how they bring it into everything and are so self rigthous interms of our views are right and everyone else is wrong.makes me laugh cause theres millions out there claiming the same lol
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Me too. I believe what the JW says in relation to Jesus makes a lot of sense. I have wondered that myself. About the JW feeling self righteous, they have this in common with many evangelical churches., I know, I grew up in one of them.
I find that I have more in common with JW now than I have with the church I was brought up in. I am not sure if they believe in a heaven or hell though.:)
 
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*Mimonde* said:
the truth does not change for anyone's beliefs. If you are a follower of Christ- you are a Christian. Matthew 6:9 - Jesus instucted his followers how to pray to God the Father in heaven.- Why would he do that if he was God almighty on earth? Why would he clearly say that he does nothing of his own initiative but that he does the will of the one who sent him? Why would he send himself to earth and instruct mankind to pray to him through his name?

The true God would not riddle us with mystery. It would not be a loving thing to do.
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I actually think that if JW considerers themselves christians, it is rude for other denomination to claim they are not. I don't see why they should not be called christians if they are believers and followers of christ. The desciples were followers too, and they did not all believe that he was the son of god.
 
indeed Jehovah's Witnesses strive to emulate and spread the teachings of Christ

they do not question that Jesus was the son of god. They are awaiting his return, it is their belief that he is to be the King, of his fathers Heavenly Kingdom, on Earth. Jesus will use his great power to destroy the wicked, strike down the Nations. Those who strive to follow the example he set while on Earth will be preserved through the war of the great day of God the Almighty, so that they can live forever as earthly subjects of God. During his reign of peace Jesus will cure sickness, bring an end to death... Jesus, through God will resurrect billions, giving them an opportunity to live forever in the earthly paradise they have been promised.
 
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MJJChichi said:
indeed Jehovah's Witnesses strive to emulate and spread the teachings of Christ

they do not question that Jesus was the son of god. They are awaiting his return, it is their belief that he is to be the King, of his fathers Heavenly Kingdom, on Earth. Jesus will use his great power to destroy the wicked, strike down the Nations. Those who strive to follow the example he set while on Earth will be preserved through the war of the great day of God the Almighty, so that they can live forever as earthly subjects of God. During his reign of peace Jesus will cure sickness, bring an end to death... Jesus, through God will resurrect billions, giving them an opportunity to live forever in the earthly paradise they have been promised.
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That is exactlty the same as I was taught in my church.:)
 
what i find scary about the JW's i know is how they bring it into everything and are so self rigthous interms of our views are right and everyone else is wrong.makes me laugh cause theres millions out there claiming the same
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it is striving to follow Godly principles and Christlike qualities cultivated by God's spirit that makes them appear "self-righteous"- God is a holy and perfect God - so of course imperfect humans would think it "self-righteous" when they see someone doing this
 
yes but all relgious ppl are like this or the more OTT ones are. i find it funny how they declare im right and your wrong when theres millions saying the same as them but from another religion. well someones wrong lol. this covers all religions not just J.W. after all the one i know is way OTT so probably isnt a person you could use to generalise the whole faith. becausethey are pretty self rightous and dont seem to respect others beliefs which is hardly the christian thing to do
 
actually think that if JW considerers themselves christians, it is rude for other denomination to claim they are not. I don't see why they should not be called christians if they are believers and followers of christ. The desciples were followers too, and they did not all believe that he was the son of god.
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imo theres an angenda going againstthe J.W's interms of the media and society tryingto make them out to be somesort of cult when all it is is another interpretation of the bible. or a different section like catholics and protestants etc
 
the odd thing is, Jehovah's Witnesses are not a new thing. They have been around forever. Part of why some religions are 'threatened' by or discount JWs is the fact that their numbers have grown. You see Kingdom Halls in every neighborhood, at least where ever I travel.
 
It's equally fair to NOT call them christians as it is TO call them christians.. it just depends on the eyes that it is viewed out of..

I see both points/sides..
 
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KOPV said:
It's equally fair to NOT call them christians as it is TO call them christians.. it just depends on the eyes that it is viewed out of..

I see both points/sides..
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I disagree actually. If they proclaim that they are christians why would anyone declare that they are not? Who has the right to tell others that they do not qualify? My own church would say that people outside the pentecostal faith are not christians, but does it make it right? And what of the people who are baptists and methodists, I am sure they don't like to be told that they are not christians because they don't worship like the pentecostals do. When we go down that route, we are labelling other faiths according to our view point and our prejudices and I don't think we have the right to do so.
If the congregation say they are christians we should accept them as such and not be presuptious to say they are not.:)
 
elusive moonwalker said:
imo theres an angenda going againstthe J.W's interms of the media and society tryingto make them out to be somesort of cult when all it is is another interpretation of the bible. or a different section like catholics and protestants etc
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Of course there is an agenda. They go against the worldly grain of modern society. They do not support the materialistic, man made, retail holidays. They do not support, back, lobby or campaign for politicians in any manner. The moral fiber of their community is kept at a maximum standard, as a minimum.

If I could truly and wholeheartedly belong to any 'religion'... were that is was possible... Nothing would make many of the people who loved, cared for and nurtured me throughout my life, smile brighter... I would love to take that walk to the pool, officially accepting Jehovah into my heart and being baptized one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I can picture the look on my Nanna's face. The weight that would be lifted off my mother's heart.

Point being, they are good people. The next time the door bell rings and it is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, open the door. You needn't accept their beliefs as yours ... neither do you have to turn them away, simply because the are 'Jehovah's Witnesses'. If it is winter, invite them in to warm up a little. In the summer heat, offer them a cool drink. You might be surprised to find out, they are decent people attempting to reach out to those that may have never found any faith at all.

For that alone, regardless of their specific beliefs, they deserve to be treated with some courtesy.
 
I used to invite this guy in for a chat and a cuppa tea. he kept coming so often that I eventually stopped him. I know I was never going to be a witness so it was a waste of time. But I did enjoy talking to him. I also bought several books from them cause I was keen to find out what they were talking about that was so different. I was amazed to find that they were so similar to my own church teachings, apart from the celebrations everything else was the same.
If you push the churches on the celebrations they would tell that it is inaccurate, but they celebrate it all the same.
I must admit that I used to feel sorry for the small children in school who were singled out to miss assemblies or to avoid participation in christmas activities. I think it is real tough for the children during christmas time especially.
 
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we always get the mormons coming round. i tell them we are a jackson househlold not an osmond one lol
 
they have a church up the road from us its always americans or canadians.guess they got the short straw and had to come here for their holidays lol. now if they think jesus is gonna reappear in america what the hell are they doing in Leeds. did they get lost on the way? lol
 
well some 'christians' get affended to hear others proclame they are when they don't share the same beliefes..

For example.. Some christians get very offended when Catholics call themselves christians.

Not just a Whitness thing.

it goes both ways..


The reason why they get offended is because they (who ever is calling themselves christian or whatever) is representing what people view as CHRISTIAN etc..
 
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^^ HA HA!!!


and yes I don't disagree with you Dastmay. but many people are like that.. NOT OUR FAULT. loL!
 
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*Mimonde* said:
Minnie your opinion is definitely not fact. yes JWs worship Jehovah exclusively because this is what the Bible commands- even Jesus himself said it Luke 4:8. Thus making revering any sort of idol or spiritual representation wrong- 1Cor. 10:14.

Jesus was sent to earth to do the will of his father and JWs follow the example that Christ left thus making them followers of Christ- CHRISTIANS. Did not Christ preach from door to door?

They may not visit your church because they feel that the teachings are contrary to Bible principles. You wouldn't go to a school to be taught if you thought the instructers were misinformed.
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Mimonde, if I am wrong, I apologize. The background for my comment was a long-time friendship I had with an elder of the Kingdom Hall in my city for about 2 years. We would talk almost daily online about our differing faiths. It was very respectcul, even though we obviously strongly disagree on certain issues.
He was the one who told me that they will not set foot in a so-called "Christian" church, because that would be idol worshipping. Idol worshipping is when you worship that shouldn't be worshipped. He told me in absolutely no uncertain terms that Jesus was not to be worshipped, only Jehova. In fact, he sent me countless brochures, tracks etc to illustrate his faith. I went to Kingdom Hall with him, and even after our most heated discussion (where he outright called me an idol worshipper because I said I DO worship Jesus) he invited me to both his daughter's wedding as well as their easter service. I had to turn down his offer, though, as easter I was celebrating in my own church, and for the wedding I had to go to another wedding for my friend and my youth pastor.

As far as the whole who considers who Christian, allow me to explain... I do not know or are able to judge anyone's personal relationship with God, if they are going to Heaven, Hell or anything in between. I do not have the power, wisdom, ability or permission to in ANY way say "You're not Christian". However... I believe that a Christian is a person who has surrendered their life completely to Jesus Christ, who believes that Jesus is God, and that believes Jesus rose from the dead and will return again. If that is you, that's up to you.

But what if my church said "We're gonna follow our own theology, but from here on out we're Muslim" or "From here on out we're Hindu" or Jewish, or Mormon, or Jehova's Witness, we'd be disfellowshipped faster than we could complete above sentence.

I am not saying the Christian religion is "better" than JW or anything like that, but I'm saying JW is their own religion, with their own teachings, their own beliefs etc. I have several friends who are JW and I love them to death. But just like they don't consider my religion to be true Christianity, I don't consider their religion to be true Christianity.

Am I not allowed to say that JW's are not Muslim? Islam believes in Jesus too! Or that JWs are not Mormon? They use the Bible too?
 
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