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Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

Someone mentioned Abortion Papers is like Papa Don't Preach - I guess he meant the subject, not musically. But reading the lyrics for Papa Don't Preach I don't think it's about abortion or that it's an anti-abortion song. It's more about a girl growing up and fighting to be independent and doing what she wants to do instead of what her father tells her to do. Yes, she is pregnant and sings that she wants to keep her baby, which suggests her father and friends wants her to do an abortion, but IMO it's more about a struggle of a young girl to make her own decisions than about abortion per se.

(And an anti-abortion stance from Madonna? Now, THAT would be surprising! Not so much from Michael.)
 
Annita;3706799 said:
SONG GROOVE (A/K/A ABORTION PAPERS)
As noted earlier, this is a song that Michael knew could be controversial and, as a result, he spent a lot of time thinking about the story for the song and the voice through which the song should be told. The song is about a girl whose father is a priest; she was raised in the Church and on the Bible. She gets married in the Church but decides, against the Bible, to have an abortion and she wants “Abortion Papers.” As Michael indicated in his notes, “I have to do it in a way so I don’t offend girls who have gotten abortions or bring back guilt trips so it has to be done carefully… I have to really think about it.“ This is an early example of a song with a controversial subject.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/08/27/michael-jackson-exclusive-liner-notes-from-bad25

Put's me more at ease with Michael's intentions, doesn't change my worry for the potential way the song will be interpreted by the wider world, but i'd forgot this bit of background on the song :) I get the vibe he's against it himself as many here have said, but if the context of the song's character is made clear to the listener, for me personally i won't find the lyrics so much of a problem of my own enjoyment of the song, but if i feel to much it's Michael's views really in disguise, i'll find it harder to enjoy lyrically, but will still probably dig the groove. This is an interesting debate, looking forward to hearing the full lyrics.
 
Annita;3706799 said:
SONG GROOVE (A/K/A ABORTION PAPERS)
As noted earlier, this is a song that Michael knew could be controversial and, as a result, he spent a lot of time thinking about the story for the song and the voice through which the song should be told. The song is about a girl whose father is a priest; she was raised in the Church and on the Bible. She gets married in the Church but decides, against the Bible, to have an abortion and she wants “Abortion Papers.” As Michael indicated in his notes, “I have to do it in a way so I don’t offend girls who have gotten abortions or bring back guilt trips so it has to be done carefully… I have to really think about it.“ This is an early example of a song with a controversial subject.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/08/27/michael-jackson-exclusive-liner-notes-from-bad25

By reading this, it seems MJ doesn't express his opinion about the subject, but rather tells the internal conflict that this girl is going through.

But it's not a surprise that Michael would be against abortion.
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

Just based on the snippets (which may of course change upon listening to the full songs) the order of the songs to me is:

1. Al Capone
2. Price of Fame
3. Free
4. I'm So Blue
5. Abortion Papers
6. Don't Be Messin' Around
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

For me:

1. Al Capone
2. I'm So Blue
3. Abortion Papers
4. Free
5. Price of Fame
6. Don't Be Messin' Around
 
Chamife;3706792 said:
It's not fair, nor realistic to judge these demo's in depth.

They were written a long time ago and weren't meant to be released for whatever reason. Maybe Michael thought the time wasn't right or maybe the right time for the songs had already passed or maybe the right time would never come. The Estate decided to release them, not Michael.

I'm in no way against discussing these demo's, but I think it's important to keep that in the back of our minds.

Not only 'abortion papers', but all of them.
well said, dto.





although I haven't listened to these snippets (and I'll try not to listen to them until I'll get the physical cds) I'd like to remind that these songs are mostly early drafts and/or work in progress versions, so the lyrics/story line wasn't fixed at the time of recording. Based on the BAD25 liner notes only I'm So Blue/Price of Fame/ Al Capone seem to be "completed" demos.

BAD25 Liner notes (as revealed by RF) said:
DON’T BE MESSIN’ ROUND
It is well-known that Michael might start a song for one album, and then choose not to use it. The song would later be pulled from his vaults for possible use on a subsequent album project. “Don’t Be Messin’ Round” is an example of one such song, and how it took shape at the time of BAD. Indeed, Bruce Swedien has called it one of his favorites.

I’M SO BLUE
For Michael, creating a demo is how he let someone (in this case Quincy and Bruce) know what he wanted to hear in the finished recording. It also was a vehicle for writing both the lyrics and the music (since he didn’t actually write leadsheets). And because he was such a perfectionist, this really meant giving them a demo that, to most people, would be considered a finished “record” and not a demo at all as Bruce Swedien, among others, have noted. This is an example of one of those “demos.”

SONG GROOVE (A/K/A ABORTION PAPERS)
As noted earlier, this is a song that Michael knew could be controversial and, as a result, he spent a lot of time thinking about the story for the song and the voice through which the song should be told. The song is about a girl whose father is a priest; she was raised in the Church and on the Bible. She gets married in the Church but decides, against the Bible, to have an abortion and she wants “Abortion Papers.” As Michael indicated in his notes, “I have to do it in a way so I don’t offend girls who have gotten abortions or bring back guilt trips so it has to be done carefully… I have to really think about it.“ This is an early example of a song with a controversial subject.

FREE
Generally, Michael’s process for creating a song would start with the chorus and harmonies first and it would build from there to include melodies and the lyrics for the verses. This piece shows a song that is clearly still a “work in progress” but with a full, finished chorus and harmonies.

PRICE OF FAME
Sometimes a song is written with a story in mind. In Michael’s work notes we found the story for this song – blind obsession. He described the story as “the girls who are over-obsessed with me, who follow me, who almost make me kill myself in my car, who just give their lives to do anything with me, to see me – they’ll do anything and it’s breaking my heart. It’s running me crazy. It’s breaking up my relationship with my girl, with my family. That’s the ‘Price of Fame’.”

AL CAPONE
When you listen to some early demos of songs, you can tell instantly what song it is. This is NOT one of those songs. It is an example of how different a song can be during its early stages of development from its later, finished polished version. If it were not a well known fact that “Smooth Criminal” was developed out of “Al Capone,” it would be hard to know that it had its roots in the material based on listening to this early recording.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs [Discussion thread]

I won't listen til' it leaks in full... but it's hard to resist. Haha
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

For me:

1. Al Capone
2. Price of Fame
3. I'm So Blue
4. Abortion Papers
5. Free
6. Don't Be Messin' Around
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs [Discussion thread]

I'm so weak that I already listened all the sippets :lol: but it was so worthwhile! I'm So Blue IS SO BEAUTIFUL! :girl_love:

Abortion Papers sounds amazing and I agree, Free sounds like a Jacksons song from Thriumph.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs [Discussion thread]

The unreleased track are definitely worthwhile and sure gonna skip all the remixes, Speed Damon also sounds horrendous! :puke:
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

does anyone know where i can hear snippets of the live cd ?
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

I like them all but omg Free its just so sweet! It makes my heart fly, i go all "aww Michael". If I'd be gay I'd be in love with him, lol.

:lol: Thanks for admiting it and making me laugh!

Oh yeah, I'm So Blue and Free are such sweet songs, they make many of us dream and sigh. They make me be more in love with Michael! :girl_love: :girl_sigh:
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

Wow, they all sound great! I know we had this said before, but this just shows how completely unnecessary and stupid it is to complete or change Michael's songs like they did with "MICHAEL" - Even his 25 year old demos/leftovers sound great and timeless!

And maybe it's just me, but I hear some similarities to "Fly Away" in the verse of "I'm So Blue"...And yeah, Abortion Papers reminds me of Madge's Papa Don't Preach (musically, not lyrically).
 
I´m in love with the man who created those great songs.
I haven´t listen to them yet but I believe those who say they are amazing.
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

For me:

1. Al Capone
2. Price of Fame
3. I'm So Blue
4. Abortion Papers
5. Free
6. Don't Be Messin' Around

Exactly the same here! Can't wait for these songs to be released/leaked! So addicted! xD
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

For me:

1. I'm So Blue
2. Al Capone
3. Free
4. Abortion Papers
5. Price of Fame
6. Don't Be Messin' Around
 
Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

After having read the liner notes I feel better about Abortion Papers. Obviously he isn't judging those whose had an abortion, he's telling a story of this girl who's father is a priest.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

The clips sound great.

Abortion Papers reminds me a bit of Streetwalker, but better. Price Of Fame sounds catchy and Al Capone is just epic.

The ballads are a bit meh, but you can't tell all that much from small snippets.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

Must say Im really loving Im So blue! Sounds really beautiful
 
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Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

Won't give a top 6 til I've heard all the songs fully, but I just know that Al Capone will remain my number 1!!!
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

Won't give a top 6 til I've heard all the songs fully, but I just know that Al Capone will remain my number 1!!!

My list is based on the snippets of course (just like anyone elses :lol:)

It is very likely my list will change when I have heard the full songs. :)
 
I love Price of Fame and from Al Capone I like the vocal layers Michael used in the chorus.

By the way, does anyone agree with me that Al Capone sounds like a 'Jacksons' song? :lol:
 
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