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We want the L.A. 1989 concert on BLURAY campaign!!!

analogue said:
Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't the setlist for L.A shorter than the setlist for Wembley?

I think this was the L.A setlist

Wanna Be Startin Somethin
Heartbreak Hotel
Another Part Of Me
Human Nature
Smooth Criminal
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Thriller
Jackson 5 Medley
Working Day And Night
Beat It
Billie Jean
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
Man In The Mirror
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Wanna Be Startin Somethin
Heartbreak Hotel
Another Part Of Me
Human Nature
Smooth Criminal
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Shes Out Of My Life
Jackson 5 Medley
Rock With You
Thriller
Bad Groove
Working Day And Night
Beat It
Billie Jean
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel (White Shirt)
Man In The Mirror (White Shirt)

The Complete setlist of the LA Concert.
 
Well, after reading the statement, I think they have the LA show in high quality. But the audio is a problem?
 
i think this very hard problem.... We want LA movie!
maybe We must believed Estate:angel:
 
I thought i saw some high quality vid of live in LA 1989 on youtube so there shouldn't have been any problem with releasing it on DVD/Blueray. Am I correct?
 
the video is being enhenced and worked on. hopefully this will have the great rendering MJ's performances deserve.
 
I don't see LA releasing. It wouldn't make any sense at this point, when Wembley is on its way.
 
We don't even know if this show was captured on actual film (16mm or 35mm). If it wasn't, blu-ray is pointless.
 
As recently stated U-Matic tape was used by Nocturne productions during the bad tour. It recorded in both NTSC/PAL but was limited to 486 lines of resolution. DVD is 480 lines, releasing a Blu Ray of this footage is pointless, it would be an upconvert with barley noticeable difference. And that is if it was handled properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-matic

For years I have been saying that limited amounts of footage was shot on actual film, some have listened, others have not.
I have talked to people in the industry and segments meant for moonwalker and some documentary footage was shot. This was a separate crew who was shoot specifically for the moonwalker project.
Complete concerts were not shot on film, sorry guys. It wasn't practical and it didn't happen. Those hoping for a Blu Ray of anything other than Victory (segments shot on film for potential theatrical release) or HIStory (2 shows shot on 1080i HD cameras) should know this.
 
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at least two shows in London were filmed on 16 & 35mm, I got this confirmed by someone who was there then.
no it is just all about time untill all these good stuff is released.

but again, in THE ONE DVD, you can see short clips of L.A. 89 and on DVD it looks pretty good. This would make my day.
 
Skizzorpuppy said:
As recently stated U-Matic tape was used by Nocturne productions during the bad tour. It recorded in both NTSC/PAL but was limited to 486 lines of resolution. DVD is 480 lines, releasing a Blu Ray of this footage is pointless, it would be an upconvert with barley noticeable difference. And that is if it was handled properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-matic

For years I have been saying that limited amounts of footage was shot on actual film, some have listened, others have not.
I have talked to people in the industry and segments meant for moonwalker and some documentary footage was shot. This was a separate crew who was shoot specifically for the moonwalker project.
Complete concerts were not shot on film, sorry guys. It wasn't practical and it didn't happen. Those hoping for a Blu Ray of anything other than Victory (segments shot on film for potential theatrical release) or HIStory (2 shows shot on 1080i HD cameras) should know this.
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And who are you exactly, if I may ask? Are you active in the film business?
 
I have donefilm work, but most of my connections in this matter are in the touring world. Concerts/live event production.
I've been on this forum for years, but I don't post everyday. I'm not here to start an argument or burst anyones bubble for fun.
I just want fans to have information so they don't get their hopes up. If all that exists are complete shows on U-matic tape
asking for a blu ray is going to be disappointing, it will be an upconvert and considering 80's video camera quality (although professional broadcast quality for the time) it will be full of noise even with the best remastering. You can smooth and clean up a video image, but you cannot create detail that does not exist. As stated before U-matic tape covered 486 lines of resolution (interlaced) and the best quality from HD is 1080 (progressive). That's a lot of lines to fill in.

I have also heard about segments being filmed in London, but all my contacts are in L.A. and were mostly involved in stage video and videos shot with tv broadcast/home video release in mind. Everyone has told me that the L.A. concert was only completely shot on video. A full film crew with a multi camera set up is not going to missed, so I trust what these guys have told me. From what I heard 3 film cameras were present during certain shows and they were there to capture images for music videos and moonwalker (which lots of tour footage exsisted for, early plans for the film called for much more tour footage, but the length of the film was getting too long). But 3 cameras is not enough to put together a proper concert film, sure the fans would love it but if they were planning a concert film a large scale multicam set up would have been commissioned. I would hope that Wembly was shot with multiple film cameras, what an awesome sight that would be! If Wembly was shot on film, then why did the estate concentrate on trying to find the U-matic tape and then settle for a VHS copy? Why not go for the film reels? Perhaps those are lost too? That's like loosing the holy grail.

That's all the info I have on that, if wembly does exsist on film, they really need to find it and soon. Not just for the fan's sake, but it's been 25 or so years. Film is a delicate beast, if not stored properly it will deteriorate.
 
Skizzorpuppy said:
As recently stated U-Matic tape was used by Nocturne productions during the bad tour. It recorded in both NTSC/PAL but was limited to 486 lines of resolution. DVD is 480 lines, releasing a Blu Ray of this footage is pointless, it would be an upconvert with barley noticeable difference. And that is if it was handled properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-matic

For years I have been saying that limited amounts of footage was shot on actual film, some have listened, others have not.
I have talked to people in the industry and segments meant for moonwalker and some documentary footage was shot. This was a separate crew who was shoot specifically for the moonwalker project.
Complete concerts were not shot on film, sorry guys. It wasn't practical and it didn't happen. Those hoping for a Blu Ray of anything other than Victory (segments shot on film for potential theatrical release) or HIStory (2 shows shot on 1080i HD cameras) should know this.
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Many concerts were shot on film:

http://icolorist.com/grading-michael-jackson/
 
Galactus123 said:
Many concerts were shot on film:

http://icolorist.com/grading-michael-jackson/
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Ok, let me be more clear. As I have stated, yes I am aware that film cameras did shoot footage. What I am saying is to my knowledge, from what I have been told. A COMPLETE (single night) concert film of full concert performance was not shot on film with a multicam setup (I'm talking the equivalent of the nocturne video set up which was probably at least 8-10 cameras). Film cameras were present on many of the Bad shows to capture tour footage for music videos, documentation and the moonwalker project.

It seems if a concert/film Blu Ray was put together from these film elements. It would be cut together from multiple shows and look like the APOM video or MITM Moonwalker segment which took elements from several concerts.

Look, it was 25 years ago and memories get hazy, and I am just sharing info I have heard from actual people in the business.
I would love for a complete multi-cam concert film to exists, but I just don't think it exists. I would love to be wrong though.
 
Skizzorpuppy said:
It seems if a concert/film Blu Ray was put together from these film elements. It would be cut together from multiple shows and look like the APOM video or MITM Moonwalker segment which took elements from several concerts.
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I would welcome a release like this if in fact a full show does not exist. I'd be fine with a compilation. I'm sure behind the scenes stuff exists on film too so they could even make it a documentary featuring full performances. That would be mind blowing.
 
Skizzorpuppy said:
I have donefilm work, but most of my connections in this matter are in the touring world. Concerts/live event production.
I've been on this forum for years, but I don't post everyday. I'm not here to start an argument or burst anyones bubble for fun.
I just want fans to have information so they don't get their hopes up. If all that exists are complete shows on U-matic tape
asking for a blu ray is going to be disappointing, it will be an upconvert and considering 80's video camera quality (although professional broadcast quality for the time) it will be full of noise even with the best remastering. You can smooth and clean up a video image, but you cannot create detail that does not exist. As stated before U-matic tape covered 486 lines of resolution (interlaced) and the best quality from HD is 1080 (progressive). That's a lot of lines to fill in.

I have also heard about segments being filmed in London, but all my contacts are in L.A. and were mostly involved in stage video and videos shot with tv broadcast/home video release in mind. Everyone has told me that the L.A. concert was only completely shot on video. A full film crew with a multi camera set up is not going to missed, so I trust what these guys have told me. From what I heard 3 film cameras were present during certain shows and they were there to capture images for music videos and moonwalker (which lots of tour footage exsisted for, early plans for the film called for much more tour footage, but the length of the film was getting too long). But 3 cameras is not enough to put together a proper concert film, sure the fans would love it but if they were planning a concert film a large scale multicam set up would have been commissioned. I would hope that Wembly was shot with multiple film cameras, what an awesome sight that would be! If Wembly was shot on film, then why did the estate concentrate on trying to find the U-matic tape and then settle for a VHS copy? Why not go for the film reels? Perhaps those are lost too? That's like loosing the holy grail.

That's all the info I have on that, if wembly does exsist on film, they really need to find it and soon. Not just for the fan's sake, but it's been 25 or so years. Film is a delicate beast, if not stored properly it will deteriorate.
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Thanks for sharing your info. Much appreciated!
 
petitions wont work, this wont lead us anywhere!!! lets be happy now with The Wembley concert, and maybe in future we will have L.A 89 in High Quality.
 
brunomj said:
petitions wont work, this wont lead us anywhere!!! lets be happy now with The Wembley concert, and maybe in future we will have L.A 89 in High Quality.
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If there wasn't a petition for wembley we wouldn't get any concert aside from the Bucharest show.

Just saying. ;)
 
The original special of "the one" dvd was the "number ones" televised by cbs or mtv(???).
That few sec snippet of bad is problably archve footage, like hbh rwy apom from kansas and NY, that they have.
The special wasnt made by sony. So the umatic tape of that concert, if the estate has it, doesn't mean it will be the same quality as what was shown in that special.
To me that bad la89 footage, is just promo like the ST awards and all the other perormances that was given to tv stations. Overall they are good quality, but it isnt necessery that the quality of the estate tapes are equal to what tv stations have.
:-/ :-| :-[
 
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Skizzorpuppy said:
As recently stated U-Matic tape was used by Nocturne productions during the bad tour. It recorded in both NTSC/PAL but was limited to 486 lines of resolution. DVD is 480 lines, releasing a Blu Ray of this footage is pointless, it would be an upconvert with barley noticeable difference. And that is if it was handled properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-matic

For years I have been saying that limited amounts of footage was shot on actual film, some have listened, others have not.
I have talked to people in the industry and segments meant for moonwalker and some documentary footage was shot. This was a separate crew who was shoot specifically for the moonwalker project.
Complete concerts were not shot on film, sorry guys. It wasn't practical and it didn't happen. Those hoping for a Blu Ray of anything other than Victory (segments shot on film for potential theatrical release) or HIStory (2 shows shot on 1080i HD cameras) should know this.
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2 Wembley dates was fully shot on both 16mm and 35mm films, you know this right.
 
Skizzorpuppy said:
I have donefilm work, but most of my connections in this matter are in the touring world. Concerts/live event production.
I've been on this forum for years, but I don't post everyday. I'm not here to start an argument or burst anyones bubble for fun.
I just want fans to have information so they don't get their hopes up. If all that exists are complete shows on U-matic tape
asking for a blu ray is going to be disappointing, it will be an upconvert and considering 80's video camera quality (although professional broadcast quality for the time) it will be full of noise even with the best remastering. You can smooth and clean up a video image, but you cannot create detail that does not exist. As stated before U-matic tape covered 486 lines of resolution (interlaced) and the best quality from HD is 1080 (progressive). That's a lot of lines to fill in.

I have also heard about segments being filmed in London, but all my contacts are in L.A. and were mostly involved in stage video and videos shot with tv broadcast/home video release in mind. Everyone has told me that the L.A. concert was only completely shot on video. A full film crew with a multi camera set up is not going to missed, so I trust what these guys have told me. From what I heard 3 film cameras were present during certain shows and they were there to capture images for music videos and moonwalker (which lots of tour footage exsisted for, early plans for the film called for much more tour footage, but the length of the film was getting too long). But 3 cameras is not enough to put together a proper concert film, sure the fans would love it but if they were planning a concert film a large scale multicam set up would have been commissioned. I would hope that Wembly was shot with multiple film cameras, what an awesome sight that would be! If Wembly was shot on film, then why did the estate concentrate on trying to find the U-matic tape and then settle for a VHS copy? Why not go for the film reels? Perhaps those are lost too? That's like loosing the holy grail.

That's all the info I have on that, if wembly does exsist on film, they really need to find it and soon. Not just for the fan's sake, but it's been 25 or so years. Film is a delicate beast, if not stored properly it will deteriorate.
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Nice info. Thanks :)
 
I am aware of film cameras being at wembly, but a full multi cam shoot designed for a complete "Concert film"? I don't know.
Just because a few film cameras might have been on location doesn't mean a full concert on film exist, and by full I mean 10 camera angles (or more) running constantly (stopping every 10 or so mins to reload a film mag). Shooting live video and shooting film for a complete "concert film" are two different things.

So yes, I am aware of film cameras being present at Bad shows. I have just been told they were not there in great capacity compared to the video set up.
 
Skizzorpuppy said:
I am aware of film cameras being at wembly, but a full multi cam shoot designed for a complete "Concert film"? I don't know.
Just because a few film cameras might have been on location doesn't mean a full concert on film exist, and by full I mean 10 camera angles (or more) running constantly (stopping every 10 or so mins to reload a film mag). Shooting live video and shooting film for a complete "concert film" are two different things.

So yes, I am aware of film cameras being present at Bad shows. I have just been told they were not there in great capacity compared to the video set up.
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I was just going to ask you this exact question via email.... i've read that capturing a concert on film is really hard because a large film reel only has about 10 minutes worth of footage, which means they'd have to really replace the film very fast. So i'd guess they have to have a number of cameras ready to pickup while other cameras are changing reels. So this would be a lot of camera reels for each camera to saved. I guess I was thinking they would have one final film reel like they do when they record on video cameras where the director is calling out shots. Well the director can't even see every shot like he would if he were recording on video with a video switcher. And also, they wouldn't know what they captured until post production.

Also, I emailed a director of photography that filmed Janet's You video. It was live concert video recorded during an actual show and I had hope they would release this show one day and possibly on blu-ray. Well her is what he said..

You've done well with your research so far. Janet's manager, at the time and perhaps even still, Roger Davies, had a routine where we would shoot a single music video while his artists were on tour, and they would then also use that piece to sell the full show idea to HBO. I shot those for both Janet and Cher with David Mallot.
We always shot 35mm film in those days, and we would shoot the song we were concentrating on performed twice during one live show, as well as a few passes for close ups on the afternoon prior to the live gig. We would also roll on any interesting visual highlights during other parts of the show, but unfortunately, we would not shoot the entire concert.


This makes me believe what you're say about them not filming the entire show. I hope they did and you're wrong.
 
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