Update: Alejandra agreed to leave the house / MJ Estate to Alejandra — MOVE OUT ALREADY!!!

elusive moonwalker;3328365 said:
isnt it obvious? who pays all the bills who puts food on the tables who pays for all the kids trips when they go out with the mj3. you would be stupid to want to leave having a cushy little number like that
you are exactly right...Life was made way to easy for her all these years,,NOW she is gonna comeout with everything she has and she is going to use it against every one..
 
elusive moonwalker;3328365 said:
isnt it obvious? who pays all the bills who puts food on the tables who pays for all the kids trips when they go out with the mj3. you would be stupid to want to leave having a cushy little number like that
CherubimII;3328371 said:
FOR MONEY, HONEY!!!!
She wants Hayvenhurst because it is worth a whole lot of money,
much more than the condo she is being offered.
In her court documents she is claiming that her children are "known dependents" of Michael Jackson, and that condo living was not how they are use to living. They are used to living in a mansion, and should continue to live at Hayvenhurst because they are
"dependents of Michael Jackson."

But damn, the condo would've been paid for and she was gonna be getting monthly payments anyway. I'm thinking she feels she needs to stay in there in order to keep the Jackson connection, too. Once they get her out, she knows they're gonna KEEP her out.

And Jermaine shouldn't even be complaining...he caused this mess..
 
Hope;3328505 said:
But damn, the condo would've been paid for and she was gonna be getting monthly payments anyway. I'm thinking she feels she needs to stay in there in order to keep the Jackson connection, too. Once they get her out, she knows they're gonna KEEP her out.

And Jermaine shouldn't even be complaining...he caused this mess..[/QUOTE]
The Truth. :agree:
 
Hope;3328505 said:
But damn, the condo would've been paid for and she was gonna be getting monthly payments anyway. I'm thinking she feels she needs to stay in there in order to keep the Jackson connection, too. Once they get her out, she knows they're gonna KEEP her out.

And Jermaine shouldn't even be complaining...he caused this mess..
the condo was probably an ordinary house with her having to clean after her filthy self, without all the extra luxury that comes/came with Hayvenhurst i.g workers, gardner, maid etc
 
The Randy and Jermaine 's kids must enjoy to see that on internet....

Must be funny at school with their friends.
 
Diplomate;3328679 said:
The Randy and Jermaine 's kids must enjoy to see that on internet....

Must be funny at school with their friends.

The responsible parties are Randy Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, and
Alejandra (?) for purposely creating this situation for their children to
grow up in.

I, also, have to blame Katherine Jackson for bringing
Michael Jackson's children into such an environment.
Upon Michael's passing, Katherine, since she knew what she had going on at her own house, should have simply moved herself into the home Prince, Paris, and Blanket had been staying in with their father, Michael Jackson and then worked with the Michael Jackson Estate to determine what the permanent suitable housing arrangements for Michael Jackson's children should be.
 
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CherubimII;3328747 said:
I, also, have to blame Katherine Jackson for bringing Michael Jackson's children into such an environment

In my opinion, Katherine Jackson "probably" lost control of the Hayvenhurst situation years ago and is "most likely" very happy that the Estate of Michael Jackson can ASSIST her in getting her house back in order.

If I recall correctly, one of the Estate's filings listed DOES 1-25, who had access to the home and were basically coming and going at will. Almost like they were using Hayvenhurst like a FLOP HOUSE, in my opinion.

And I'm not just talking about Alejandra and her children, I'm also talking about ALL of the Does. So many DOES that the Estate couldn't even name them all.

Katherine Jackson's "at home space" probably hasn't been this peaceful in years.
 
Big Apple2;3328888 said:
In my opinion, Katherine Jackson "probably" lost control of the Hayvenhurst situation years ago and is "most likely" very happy that the Estate of Michael Jackson can ASSIST her in getting her house back in order.

If I recall correctly, one of the Estate's filings listed DOES 1-25, who had access to the home and were basically coming and going at will. Almost like they were using Hayvenhurst like a FLOP HOUSE, in my opinion.

And I'm not just talking about Alejandra and her children, I'm also talking about ALL of the Does. So many DOES that the Estate couldn't even name them all.

Katherine Jackson's "at home space" probably hasn't been this peaceful in years.
Thank you, for posting exactly what I also believe to be true. :clapping:
I'm so thankful that Prince, Paris, and Blanket, once again, have have a , peaceful home in Calabasas to grow up in. :angel:
 
ivy;3328167 said:
to me Jermaine's talk to radar online shows that -once again- it's the family who doesn't want Alejandra in the house any more. The people (especially on the internet) blamed estate for going to court can hopefully see the light.

I think it goes both ways. The family hasn't wanted her therefor years and now the estate doesn't want to support her either.

Big Apple2;3328888 said:
In my opinion, Katherine Jackson "probably" lost control of the Hayvenhurst situation years ago and is "most likely" very happy that the Estate of Michael Jackson can ASSIST her in getting her house back in order.

If I recall correctly, one of the Estate's filings listed DOES 1-25, who had access to the home and were basically coming and going at will. Almost like they were using Hayvenhurst like a FLOP HOUSE, in my opinion.

And I'm not just talking about Alejandra and her children, I'm also talking about ALL of the Does. So many DOES that the Estate couldn't even name them all.

Katherine Jackson's "at home space" probably hasn't been this peaceful in years.

I think she let the people come and go as they wanted cause she didn't know how to say no.... It probably got out of hand and she didn't know how to deal with it. My grandmother is the same way, she doesn't know how to say NO!! Now she has people to help enforce it.

Tipareth;3328100 said:
I do not think Michael was the one that resented Alexandra and didn't want to come to Encino because of her.

Mike was above their pettiness and little fights... On the contrary Michael was supportive to all his nephews, helping them with fees for school, cloths, and shelter.

Read Margaret Maldonado, Jackson Family Values, She described very well the dysfunctional mechanisms of this family.
In her own words, the only one to trust was Michael. He was the one that payed for everything in that house, and even for the kids schools when his brothers didn't wanna....

As for Alexandra she is responsible of course, but firstly is Jermaine... He got how many kids?? Got rid of how many women in order to move to the next...?

I am also sure that there's more to this story than meets the eye... And if Alexandra is thrown out is because Katherine wants her out, not necessarily the Estate. She might pissed Katherine for some reason... and when Katherine wants somebody out, then is final.


How many kids Alexandra gave birth? Four or five? For some women might be hard having those kids and having a job, is not so easy. Not all of them handle both being mothers and go to work. And years passed by, now it's even harder for her to find work.

Jermain should FIRST FIND JOB, and take care of his many kids with different wives... And also put stop to uncontrollable spending, because he still got money from old albums, various interviews etc

I think Alejandra is one of the many reasons he didn't want to visit.. They had waayyyy too much going on and I'm sure he didn't want to be bothered.
I like Maragrets book but she did what Alejandra is trying to do. I also don't take everything 100% because she was part of the dysfunction also. I give her props for starting a career for herself. Also if this family is sooo crazy, why didn't you go stay with your relatives???
Jermaine and Alejandra are equally responsible. They both laid down and created them together. Yes he had kids with other women, but obviously it didnt bother Margaret and Alejandra too much cause they kept sleeping with him.
I agree that there is probably much more than what is being told.
It doesn't matter how many kids she has. The only women that have the luxury of being stay at home moms, are women who have husbands (or partners) who have money to support that. She doesnt have that luxary.., she is just LAZY. My mom has four kids and she still worked. I can understand her staying home with them when they were small, but once they can get into school, it's time to work. She put herself in this predicament. Also all of Jermaines kids are grown except for the two he has with her.
 
37 second he says he didn't pay the $5,000 that he was supposed to pay.
 
elusive moonwalker;3328365 said:
isnt it obvious? who pays all the bills who puts food on the tables who pays for all the kids trips when they go out with the mj3. you would be stupid to want to leave having a cushy little number like that

Bottomline!
 
Jermaine said that $60,000/month is being spent by the
Michael Jackson Estate on Alejandra and company at Hayvenhurst.
What he didn't say was that it was all his fault; but it is. :smilerolleyes:
 
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Dead Beat Fathers (and yes even Dead Beat Mothers) REALLY piss me off...Those children NEVER ASKED to be born. If you decide to bring a child into this world IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF SAID CHILD. I don't speak out often about my feelings regarding the bulk of the Jacksons...but I will say Jermaine needs to pay up or if not I say toss his ass in jail for a few days, hell a few weeks. I bet his tune about paying child support will change VERY quickly if he has to spend a bit of time in the clink. I don't give a damn how you feel about your baby mama or baby daddy if you have a child you support that child. If you have an issue with the amount to be paid, take it up in court, file the proper and necessary paper work, BUT YOU PAY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN UNTIL THEN! Anything less is just pathetic and selfish. Words I could certainly attribute to quite a few individuals who shall remain nameless.

In no way am I sticking up for Alejandra, that leech just needs to go, but I am sticking up for the kids involved and speaking out against the actions of ALL the parents, Randy, Jermaine, and Alejandra.

Also, she should have been out working her tail off to save as much as she could to ensure that is anything happens she and her kids would be taken care of. There is no satisfaction in not earning what you have, it would certainly drive me bananas. I guess unlike me, she and others feel they don't want to feel the joy of earning it...well shame on them and shame on the others for allowing this crap to continue.

Oh but according to them Michael HAD to be kept away by his handlers or he HAD to be an addict to keep away from his family, it couldn't possibly be because of anything they've done. Right? RIGHT?! **rolls eyes** WTF EVER...Pfft...whatever....

**Looks upward**

Michael I am so sorry. I am sorry.
 
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He said Michael, [...] had explicitly asked the mother-of-four be removed from the home he owned when Jermaine split from her, in 2004.

"Michael would have done anything for one us, but he did not come around to Havenhurst because he didn't like Alejandra," Jermaine told RadarOnline.com.

Michael has done everything for everyone in Jackson's family, for his fans, and for families in needs, and beyond. We know that.
That is why I don't believe a bit, that Michael in 2004 would think of evicting Alejandra, and her underage kids out of Havenhurst. At the time, he was fighting for his life, the media, the trial, the lawsuits, for god sake, and the last thing on his mind was, where Alejandra was staying :doh:. It blows my mind, why he is dragging MJJ name here. It is not fair to MJJ kids, and it is not fair to his kids, either. It was not in Michael's nature to evict mother with small kids (who happened to be his nephews and niece) on the street. I doubt he cared who lived in Hayvenhurst. I wish Jermaine stop dragging MJJ's name, whenever he faces his personal problems. Michael Jackson is not here to defend himself. MJJ can't come from the grave, and get Jermaine out of financial troubles, someone needs to tell him just that.
Why he thinks, even now that his problems are automatically Mike's problems. I mean, is he still stuck in twilight zone, or something.
Someone has to tell him, that this is his problem, not Michael's, nor Katherine's.
As far as I read, Jermaine didn't want to pay her alimony, that is why Alejandra stayed there. But, what is more shocking, instead of taking care of his offsprings, he went off and married another woman, Halima. He is grown @ss man, but still I don't know how Katherine puts up with him. I know he is her son, but Jermain, is unloading a lot of his problems to his mother for years (is it financial, or his exes and his kids), and she just takes it in.... I am not defending Alejandra, the chick is dumb as she can be, nor Jermaine. But, they let her stay, only and only to help Jermaine, to not face alimony payments. I know Katherine loves her grandchildren, and her children. Jermain continued with his pattern of making babies and dropping his baby mamas & mamas to his mama, and I am thinking, probably, it is because Katherine didn't complain. His behave was always over looked, simply because, he was used to it. Now MJJ estate, is picking up the tab, and it is business for them. Alejandra got to go, but dragging MJJ's name into their problems, pretty much tells me, they still count on Michael, even now that he is not among the living, they still are clinging on his name/fame/money. They have lost touch with reality. The man was killed, and they still talk in the past. This is so sad.
 
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I can't believe that Michael has the same blood that all these wonderful people.
 
ivy;3329207 said:
37 second he says he didn't pay the $5,000 that he was supposed to pay.
yet people here insist not wishing the worst on Jermaine, deabeats deserve the worst only.
 
Man, Jermaine needs to stop talking to these online gossip sites. If he has something viable to add to this case, then he should save it for the COURTROOM. He speaks of dignity, but what he does and says shows NO dignity, in my opinion.

I'm guessing that he doesn't really care what his young children think about his commenting to a gossip rag.

Then there's NEW wifey, with the deer in the headlights look on her face. YIKES! I wonder how she feels, just standing there, while her husband is grilled ON THE STREET about his ex-wife.

And did he REALLY say that he did not pay the required amount by the required deadline?
 
If he did not pay her the money he is owed what's going to happen to him?
 
Justthefacts;3329688 said:
If he did not pay her the money he is owed what's going to happen to him?

I'm not sure what steps the Court would take, in a case like this, when a person doesn't fulfill a Judge's ORDER. I guess it depends on how tough this Judge is.

I can say that Jermaine is playing a VERY dangerous game, IF he didn't make his first payment. A game that could lead to his arrest. I believe arrest is ONE of the options the Court has at it's disposal.

He already lost the use of his driving license, I'm not sure what step would be next, but arrest is definitely on that list. Jermaine Jackson better stop playing games with the Court, or the next headline we read "may" be about the arrest of Jermaine Jackson.
 
On April 14,2011 she should have 80,000 dollars enough for a down payment on a house and the 3,000 a month in child should be able to pay the mortage. Now Genevieve and the rest of the kids have to work so they can pay for the food and utilities. Then she will be fine.
 
~* White Chocolate *~;3329274 said:
Oh but according to them Michael HAD to be kept away by his handlers or he HAD to be an addict to keep away from his family, it couldn't possibly be because of anything they've done. Right? RIGHT?! **rolls eyes** WTF EVER...Pfft...whatever....

**Looks upward**

Michael I am so sorry. I am sorry.

Yeah, here I feel the same...

*that addict* payed for ya'll lazzzzzy a*ses so many damn years, heck his entire life! -_-

IF ONLY, if only they would learn to SHUT up and speak only what's necessary... then I would be more tolerant even for this bullshhite...

Sorry for my bad mouth tonight I am pissed. :throwingstones
 
CherubimII;3328747 said:
The responsible parties are Randy Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, and
Alejandra (?) for purposely creating this situation for their children to
grow up in.

I, also, have to blame Katherine Jackson for bringing
Michael Jackson's children into such an environment.
Upon Michael's passing, Katherine, since she knew what she had going on at her own house, should have simply moved herself into the home Prince, Paris, and Blanket had been staying in with their father, Michael Jackson and then worked with the Michael Jackson Estate to determine what the permanent suitable housing arrangements for Michael Jackson's children should be.

Good point on where Katherine should have taken the kids to leave. I agree. Even if she took them to Havenhurst, it should have been only for a couple of days until the court date or Estate's decision on housing.
 
Hayvenurst it's the house of Michael.

So it's normal that his kids live there, it's their house.

The people who need to move and find a job, it's Alejandra and her 4 or 5 kids. 3 are not kids anymore and uncle Mike is dead, so time to find a job guys or ask to your wonderful parents to take care of you.
 
Oh Jermaine needn't worry. I'm sure Katherine will pony up the cash. She knows her nefarious offspring well and is probably why she has all these shady side deals so she can bail out those in need.
 
Rhilo;3332197 said:
Oh Jermaine needn't worry. I'm sure Katherine will pony up the cash. She knows her nefarious offspring well and is probably why she has all these shady side deals so she can bail out those in need.
So, true.
I wonder what the Judge will say on April 14th...:fortuneteller:
 
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