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Unpopular opinions about MJ’s music?

mj_frenzy;4318222 said:
Commercially, it made sense.

Although the "rappers on the album" concept does not add much value in his songs, yet this concept had some commercial purposes and benefits for Michael Jackson.

He did that as a way for him to broaden his audience, especially by attracting more (and younger) listeners, but also he did that so as to attract fans of the specific rappers.

For instance, with Heavy D’s rap section (‘Jam’ song), or, with The Notorious B.I.G.’s rap sections (‘This Time Around’, ‘Unbreakable’), Michael Jackson attracted more (and younger) listeners, but also fans of these rappers (this is known as crossover music).

Heavy D and The Notorious B.I.G. commercially were both very successful rappers at that time, and Michael Jackson took advantage of that.

Aside the commercial aspect, a rap section (performed by a guest rapper) in his songs also acts as a bridge in the song (and it also allows the song to breathe for a while).
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true. (y)
 
everyone has their own opinions about michael having rappers on his albums. in my opinion i had no problem with it. the 90's was the time of that. michael was just moving with the times like he always did. people say he change, in my opinion he never changed. we all grow and move on from somethings. michael was just growing like artists today. you loose fans and gain fans. that's just life. michael had and still have many fans of all ages etc.
 
NatureCriminal7896 said:
michael had and still have many fans of all ages etc.
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Yeah but some have a hard time dealing with so-called completed 2010 and 2014 mixes (and actually the 2008 mixes as well). (There was a debate about this, I think in the "After Bad 25" thread).

I'm still trying to understand why I don't really get modern music industry, especially pop artists.

Still trying to understand, I stumbled upon this video, which seems to make some sense, I'm not sure...:

Then I asked myself, if this is right and there's that change in music composing, what sense does it make to force songs that were written "the old fashion way" into modern standards... I guess Michael could adapt if he was alive bu wouldn't that require that he write new compositions to be done right?

I'm also wondering why I have zero problem listening to Michael's whole discography (excluding remixes), and work from even old artists, but not for most of these few 2008-2014 works?
 
Maxym said:
Yeah but some have a hard time dealing with so-called completed 2010 and 2014 mixes (and actually the 2008 mixes as well). (There was a debate about this, I think in the "After Bad 25" thread).

I'm still trying to understand why I don't really get modern music industry, especially pop artists.

Still trying to understand, I stumbled upon this video, which seems to make some sense, I'm not sure...:

Then I asked myself, if this is right and there's that change in music composing, what sense does it make to force songs that were written "the old fashion way" into modern standards... I guess Michael could adapt if he was alive bu wouldn't that require that he write new compositions to be done right?

I'm also wondering why I have zero problem listening to Michael's whole discography (excluding remixes), and work from even old artists, but not for these few 2008-2014 works?
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In WBSS'08 Michael recorded new vocals. There was his touch.

There have always been discussions about remixes. You can remember "Farewell My Summer Love" album. Many also did not like the new (at the time of the 80s) treatment of these songs. Seemed inappropriate and rude to convey MJ's early legacy in the form of such arrangements.
 
Michael tried to rapped. he did a couple of time like jam, why you wanna trip on me, can't let her get away, the unrelease version can't let her get away, rehearsals, and many other songs and times.

i wish he rapped more. that's would of been interesting. he had alot of partition. i love can't let her get away i can listen to that on repeat and never get tired of it that's how much i like this song.

michael was so gifted. bless his heart.
 
NatureCriminal7896 said:
Michael tried to rapped. he did a couple of time like jam, why you wanna trip on me, can't let her get away, the unrelease version can't let her get away, rehearsals, and many other songs and times.

i wish he rapped more. that's would of been interesting. he had alot of partition. i love can't let her get away i can listen to that on repeat and never get tired of it that's how much i like this song.

michael was so gifted. bless his heart.
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Everyone is good at what they do. Michael is primarily a SINGER. His rapping was nothing more than an experience only (like "Shout").
 
Yeah, I love "Can't let her get away" and "Shout" as well. But CLHGA has kind of richer melody in the verses lyrics that modern pop... "Shout", I actually don't remember it as well, I just remember that I like it.

Now, mentioning "Farewell my summer love" is making my brain bug. The thing is that I find the 1973 mix extremely flat, I feel like Michael doesn't have all his energy and I think the 1984 mix/overdub works well on most tracks. Also when it was released, I don't know if people had ever heard the 1973 mixes.
But I could never imagine the same thing with his other four Motown albums.
 
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i liked michael rapping. i'm not saying changing his whole image into an rapper which he could of if he wanted to. i'm just saying he could of rapped at sometimes which he did but i wish he had a full song of him just rapping. can't let her get away is close to a full rap song of him just rapping.

i don't like shout.

i feel everyone has an talent. but i really doubt we will ever have anyone like michael again in our lifetime. he was very gifted. bless his heart.
 
i feel some songs should be left alone. i like some remixes of older songs and then i don't. i'm pretty sure michael music would of sound much different today if he was alive. he was always the one who stand it out. i miss that so much. michael was always an treat. even with non fans.
 
We've Had Enough is one of Michael's best songs. In fact I would argue it is Michael's best social anthem song and probably his best song in the last 20 years of his life.
 
Nite Line;4318347 said:
We've Had Enough is one of Michael's best songs. In fact I would argue it is Michael's best social anthem song and probably his best song in the last 20 years of his life.
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This is something that has bugged me about Invincible. When you listen to songs like Blue Gangsta and We’ve Had Enough, MJ’s voice is in absolute top shape. He sounds almost like he did in 88-92. His voice is so clear, powerful and dynamic! But then when you listen to the other songs that actually made it on the record there is a big difference in term of vocal quality. He sounds so strained like his forcing his voice in many songs and sometimes it sounds rather unnatural, imo.
 
Themidwestcowboy;4318371 said:
This is something that has bugged me about Invincible. When you listen to songs like Blue Gangsta and We’ve Had Enough, MJ’s voice is in absolute top shape. He sounds almost like he did in 88-92. His voice is so clear, powerful and dynamic! But then when you listen to the other songs that actually made it on the record there is a big difference in term of vocal quality. He sounds so strained like his forcing his voice in many songs and sometimes it sounds rather unnatural, imo.
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Defintely agreed. On invincible he sounds like he's actually trying to scream and before he really didn't.
 
We've Had Enough is the best MJ song after HIStory - I will agree on that.

So sad I hear it so rarely because it's on TUC.

I still hope very much it will be released either with a new mix (but I really don't hope they change it) on the next new MJ album, it deserves it so much. - or could be an extra bonus song on a Special edition album.
 
Hess;4318388 said:
We've Had Enough is the best MJ song after HIStory - I will agree on that.

So sad I hear it so rarely because it's on TUC.

I still hope very much it will be released either with a new mix (but I really don't hope they change it) on the next new MJ album, it deserves it so much. - or could be an extra bonus song on a Special edition album.
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It is a good song indeed. It is already released so not sure how MJ really felt about it. The fact he just threw it on TUC doesn’t say much. He put that package out just to satisfy a contract. I don’t care for when others change MJs song production. Xscape was a decent release but I would be surprised if they put a album out with original demos and new production. While some songs were ok with changes others were totally butchered, Do you know where your children are is a fine example and she was loving me as well. The rock version could have been much better than the fricking ducks. Talk about blowing a perfect opportunity with strong song. Slave and a place with no name were not any better either. The original a place with no name could have be a hit it left with minimal changes. I still can believe what they did to some of those tracks. Timbaland was way past his prime at that time.
 
The unreleased tracks on The Ultimate collection were put on there without MJ's knowledge because Sony requested some new tracks and he was busy with the allegations. I'm also pretty sure that TUC was not released to fulfil any contractual obligations.

So I wouldn't really consider TUC when thinking about how MJ felt about those particular songs featured.
 
Smooth72 said:
While some songs were ok with changes others were totally butchered
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Beware, I tried to tell this truth outside of the "unpopular opinion" thread and I nearly got instantly disintegrated!
But, you are too kind writing "songs" in plural. I think the only 2014 version that I actually like is that for Xscape, the title song I mean.
And thanks for mentionning the ducks!
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SmoothGangsta said:
The unreleased tracks on The Ultimate collection were put on there without MJ's knowledge because Sony requested some new tracks and he was busy with the allegations. I'm also pretty sure that TUC was not released to fulfil any contractual obligations.

So I wouldn't really consider TUC when thinking about how MJ felt about those particular songs featured.
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Really? **shocked**
 
SmoothGangsta said:
According to Michael Prince they did not have time to consult MJ about what tracks they would be including.
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Matt Forger:

"In the Ultimate Collection there was a desire to show the evolution of the career and how the songs changed with the times and Michael grew as an artist and as a songwriter."

"I remember going through a hundred tapes - some with Michael's voice, some without. The best were chosen for this project, which covered his entire career. We wanted Michael to be more involved, but he was very busy with other commitments. He reviewed what had been assembled and gave final approval to the project. "
Can't find the source to this atm. As far as I recall, I've taken this from a book. (could be from Richard Lecocq's)
 
Maxym said:
Beware, I tried to tell this truth outside of the "unpopular opinion" thread and I nearly got instantly disintegrated!
But, you are too kind writing "songs" in plural. I think the only 2014 version that I actually like is that for Xscape, the title song I mean.
And thanks for mentionning the ducks!
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Lol. The thing is the estate had to put the demos on the album because almost all had been leaked already. So people would have complained that the new mixes are not as good as the leaked original demos. So they took care of that by including the leaked demos. Moving forward, I bet that if the song has not already been leaked they will present the new mixes as what MJ had left them. The estate is sneaky and certainly are not dumb. I understand the demos could not have been released as finished tracks but they could have at least had proper mixing. Instead the said look how much better we made the songs lol. It really is laughable if you seriously think about how they went about the release.
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Themidwestcowboy;4318371 said:
This is something that has bugged me about Invincible. When you listen to songs like Blue Gangsta and We’ve Had Enough, MJ’s voice is in absolute top shape. He sounds almost like he did in 88-92. His voice is so clear, powerful and dynamic! But then when you listen to the other songs that actually made it on the record there is a big difference in term of vocal quality. He sounds so strained like his forcing his voice in many songs and sometimes it sounds rather unnatural, imo.
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He sounds quite good on songs like Speechless, Butterflies etc. What I noticed about Invincible is that Michael sounded good on slow/mid tempo songs, but struggled with fast tempo songs.
 
Speechless is vocally and musically a masterpiece !
 
Nite Line said:
He sounds quite good on songs like Speechless, Butterflies etc. What I noticed about Invincible is that Michael sounded good on slow/mid tempo songs, but struggled with fast tempo songs.
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He did indeed sound very good on many ballads and mid tempo songs like the forementioned songs but Whatever happens for example sounds too strained and forced for my liking. I know it was the style MJ adopted later in his life but the gritty vocals on WH doesn't sound as effortlessly as it did earlier in his career. Another example would be One More Chance.
 
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I agree on One More Chance - that's not really MJ's finest moment vocally.

BUT - I really think Whatever Happens is a great song, and I like the vocal-style for the song. The western-theme, Santana on guitar, I think it all melts great together. WH should have been released as a single - and imagine a great musicvideo it could have gotten.
 
All 3 of MJs tours are amazing & great for different reasons. I'd probably say Dangerous is my favourite if I had to pick, but I like them all... even the dreaded History tour!!
 
In "Do What You Do", Iman/Jermaine had better chemistry than Iman/Michael in "Remember the Time". The interaction between Jermaine and Iman was sharper and sexier.
 
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that's probably because michael had a limit how far he would go. he had to remember he had younger fans too. he was a gentleman. remember the time is one of my favorite mj songs.
 
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