TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain/Joe Jackson Appeals -The Fight Isn't Over!

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Unless they can prove that all the witnesses are lying, the location could have the South Pole written down, it still would be valid.

Also the whole thing about Brance is old and stupid. It does not matter if he was fire. Michael could had never met Brance a day in his life, but if his name is in the will he would still be an executive. So this whole thing about Brance being hire weeks before Michael's death holds no merit in the will.

I am not a lawyer and I know this. Oxman should no better and should be strip of his law degree for bring this BS to court.
 
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So basically Oxman STOLE a portion of the same argument Mrs. Jackson's HIGH-PRICED "new" attorney was going to use.

I bet those NEW attorneys are heated!

This also explains why, in the "allowance" papers Oxman filed for Joe, he (Oxman) stated that he called four (4) attorneys associated with this case, but NONE of them apparently wanted to speak with him or returned his calls.

One of those attorneys was the children's attorney and the other attorney was Mrs. Jackson's new attorney. The other two attorneys, I was not familiar with, but the fact remains that NOBODY wanted to deal with Brian Oxman. He was totally ignored by all four attorneys.

This entire episode is SO EMBARASSING! Especially for those in the family that are not involved with all of the mess.
 
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Well, as you all know, Katherine did some lawyering to ensure she does not loose inheritance of the will... and was trying to find some way to get more power...

I personally say to myself : Kudos Joe... (regardless of what everyone says) cause, seems that there is TOO MANY headach surrounding michael jackson's death and I believe in family...... he has nothing to loose by attacking them and yes, i am sure, since randy made said it was a fake signature, that both have nothing to loose therefore, the american magic word : "Lawsuit".

If joe has added affidavits/evidence of wrong doing in John branca's, I think it needs to be looked into it....

I know money is root of all evil and all can be simple : joe is after money, that's it... but, you know what??? michael and joe had a better relationship etc..... on this is it, michael mention himself :joe/katherine, god bless you , i love you..... if he hated his father that much, he wouldn't bother saying it.

If he didn't want to be close to his family, he wouldn't have had a house in Vegas to be closer to his family....

Anyway, we will hear LOTS of horrible stuff -as expected-, so, let the show begins....

and hear/see what the evidence are about, prior to judge...
 
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^^Some of that, all of that, or none of that may be true, but that does not deflect the FACT (it's all about the FACTS) that Michael Jackson did not name his father in his Will. I mean, isn't that what a Will is supposed to be all about, i.e. "a person leaving directions as to whom and where they want their money to go after death."

The Jackson family needs to hold a meeting real QUICK!

Or the next story being reported will be about Debbie Rowe changing her mind about going after custody, because she does not want her children to be raised in their present "money obsessed" environment.
 
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LOS ANGELES — On the eve of a hearing in the Michael Jackson estate, a lawyer for the singer’s father filed a 60-page motion Monday that intensifies a bid to get money from his son’s estate by making accusations of fraud against the administrators of his will.



Joseph Jackson’s attorney, Brian Oxman, filed a blizzard of documents in court late Monday claiming that the singer believed his old friends John Branca and John McClain had defrauded him. He also accused both of conflicts of interest and said they should be removed from administering the will.



Joseph Jackson was omitted from his son’s will with all of Michael Jackson’s assets going to his mother, his children and children’s charities.



Howard Weitzman, one of the attorneys representing Branca and McClain, issued a statement Monday night in response to the motion. A hearing on the matter is scheduled for Tuesday morning.



“These claims filed by Joe Jackson are so outrageous that they don’t deserve any response,” said Weitzman.



It was unclear whether Joseph Jackson has the legal standing to challenge its provisions.



Oxman said in a phone interview that the father is allowed to challenge the executors as “an interested party who has the right to be an executor or personal representative.”



Most of Oxman’s accusations were aimed at Branca, the attorney who represented Jackson for more than 20 years and is seen as the architect of his financial empire. Branca parted ways with Jackson in 2006 and then returned to work with him shortly before the singer died.



Oxman claimed that Jackson believed Branca had committed “crimes” against him including embezzlement and funnelling money into offshore accounts. But Oxman acknowledged in the interview Monday night that may not be true.



“It’s not the truth or falsity of the accusation,” he said. “It’s that Michael believed it and that’s why he terminated him.”



Branca has said he was not terminated; he resigned because he felt Jackson was being influenced by people who did not have his best interests at heart.



Among the items attached to the motion filed Monday is an undated report from a New York private investigation firm, known as Interfor, allegedly hired by Jackson to investigate Branca and his connections to Tommy Mottola, a music executive with whom Jackson was feuding.



The one page report refers to “rumours of irregularities involved in the accounting of legal fees” but cites no evidence.



Instead, it related finding a former employee who described Branca as “brilliant” and quoted a paralegal as saying “Branca is very quiet, intelligent, shy but lovely with a funny sense of humour.”



Michael Jackson’s 2002 will omitted any mention of his father. The two had an often-strained relationship.



Oxman claimed father and son had reconciled and “Michael loved his father.”





http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/music/2009/11/10/11696596.html
 
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Oxman claimed father and son had reconciled and “Michael loved his father.”


I think this quote says it all. Yeah, it is so obvious that love is suppose to equal to, give him the damn money. Michael maybe forgave him, but apparently he was not that forgiven. :smilerolleyes:
 
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Joe Jackson -- through his lawyer, Brian Oxman, claims Jackson fired Branca in 2003 and believed the attorney embezzled MJ's money. Joe claims an "investigation" showed an improper relationship between Branca and Tommy Mottola and the two were "illegally funneling Michael Jackson's money to off-shore accounts in the Caribbean."

Oxman attached a copy of the "investigation" -- conducted by a company called Interfor -- which says "Some sources in the entertainment industry think highly of Branca. However, other sources suggest that he has built his career on the strength of his clients to a point where are (sic) rumors of irregularities involved in accounting fees."

As we've already reported, Jackson re-hired Branca before the singer died.

Improper relationship between Branca and Tommy Mottola? What the heck?!

Oxman claimed that Jackson believed Branca had committed “crimes” against him including embezzlement and funnelling money into offshore accounts. But Oxman acknowledged in the interview Monday night that may not be true.

“It’s not the truth or falsity of the accusation,” he said. “It’s that Michael believed it and that’s why he terminated him.”

Michael believed this??? :bugeyed

Among the items attached to the motion filed Monday is an undated report from a New York private investigation firm, known as Interfor, allegedly hired by Jackson to investigate Branca and his connections to Tommy Mottola, a music executive with whom Jackson was feuding. undated? which Jackson investigated Branca - Michael?

The one page report refers to “rumours of irregularities involved in the accounting of legal fees” but cites no evidence.

I was all in favour of Branca because the empire he help build for MJ and I thought he was a good man and they were friends... but Michael was investigating his links with Tommy Mottola :bugeyed and thought he was stealing money is this true..?

This is scary.. I hope its not true.

Why would he re-hire him before he died then?? And what difference does it make for the Will? - gets rid of Branca and gets another lawyer?
 
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“It’s not the truth or falsity of the accusation,” he said. “It’s that Michael believed it and that’s why he terminated him.”

The one page report refers to “rumours of irregularities involved in the accounting of legal fees” but cites no evidence.

Instead, it related finding a former employee who described Branca as “brilliant” and quoted a paralegal as saying “Branca is very quiet, intelligent, shy but lovely with a funny sense of humour.”

Oxman's quotes just prove that some folks should not be talking to the media.

And the one page report basically ends up being a testiment as to how GREAT Branca is. LOL!

What was the point of attaching a one page report that cited NO evidence of Oxman's claims. On top of that it took him SIXTY-PAGES to say so. Unbelievable!
 
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Oxman's quotes just prove that some folks should not be talking to the media.

And the one page report basically ends up being a testiment as to how GREAT Branca is. LOL!

What was the point of attaching a one page report that cited NO evidence of Oxman's claims. On top of that it took him SIXTY-PAGES to say so. Unbelievable!


in fact, there are no evidence. just allegations from a desesparate old man
 
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oxman stole Katherine's lawyers argument . I bet someone told katherine some very harsh words after joe filed that motion .
 
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oxman stole Katherine's lawyers argument . I bet someone told katherine some very harsh words after joe filed that motion .


That argument was a pile of shit anyway and her high power should know better. Unless they can prove the witnesses are liars, they can cry till the cows come home, they still won't get a dime.
 
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oxman stole Katherine's lawyers argument . I bet someone told katherine some very harsh words after joe filed that motion .

Yep, that's the same thing I said.

Mrs. Jackson is paying those HIGH-PRICED attorney's, to go before the Court with what basically amounts to the same arguments.

And I'm also certain that some, if not all, of the attorney's involved, already know what a joke Oxman is. All of those attorney's talk and share stories just like we do. LOL!

Man, I'm sure Mrs. Jackson's new attorneys are all very upset right about now.

The "This Is It" movie numbers must have made Joe's head explode and he could wait no longer to get his share of the pie.
 
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from the CNN article, they don't seem to challenge the signature's authenticity. Do I read correctly ?
 
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Improper relationship between Branca and Tommy Mottola? What the heck?!

I was all in favour of Branca because the empire he help build for MJ and I thought he was a good man and they were friends... but Michael was investigating his links with Tommy Mottola :bugeyed and thought he was stealing money is this true..?

This is scary.. I hope its not true.

After all Michael was put through, I would think he'd investigate anyone who breathed near him. One of the lawyers he had working for him after he fired Branca the first time was an attorney who worked for Sony's interest at the same time and structured his contract with Sony to Sony's advantage.

I don't blame him for one instant for investigating Branca, but if he re-hired him in 2009, that would lead me to think he didn't find anything incriminating.
 
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Oxman said in a phone interview that the father is allowed to challenge the executors as “an interested party who has the right to be an executor or personal representative.”

Another thing I noticed.

As per Oxman's own quote, Oxman is saying straight out that Joe Jackson wants to be an executor (or personal representative) to Michael's will.

Mrs. Jackson's side has always maintained that "a family member" should have a seat at the table, but they never mentioned Joe Jackson's name as being that person.

So once again Oxman/Joe are trying to trump Mrs. Jackson's new team, by making Joe Jackson that "family member."

Bottomline, not only are they battling the Will, it appears that they are battling one another. I wonder how Mrs. Jackson's new team feels about that.
 
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Bottomline, not only are they battling the Will, it appears that they are battling one another. I wonder how Mrs. Jackson's new team feels about that.

Bottom line is they're creating a BIG MESS!!! I wish these kids were already adults and were relocated HAPPILY in another country, and were forever removed from all this nonsense. I don't think it's going to stop for years.
 
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Something is going wrong here.... but what exactly...??
 
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Another thing I noticed.

As per Oxman's own quote, Oxman is saying straight out that Joe Jackson wants to be an executor (or personal representative) to Michael's will.

Mrs. Jackson's side has always maintained that "a family member" should have a seat at the table, but they never mentioned Joe Jackson's name as being that person.

So once again Oxman/Joe are trying to trump Mrs. Jackson's new team, by making Joe Jackson that "family member."

Bottomline, not only are they battling the Will, it appears that they are battling one another. I wonder how Mrs. Jackson's new team feels about that.

everyones fighting for a peice of the pie
 
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Legrande an attorney from las vegas who used to be a prosecutor was hired at the end of 2002 by Konitzer to investigated the people who controlled mj's business . on top of konitzer list was Branca .

Legrande testified that he did investigate Branca but also he investigated schaffel, konistzer himself , weisner and even Manlik.

he said konitzer wanted Branca out so he could control mj's affair and he actually got a power of attorney .

legrande said Branca was not an employee for mj , mj was a client for a company owned by Branca , it was a very prestigious legal company which provides consultancy regarding things in the show business and had alot of very big clients among them was sony also .

he said he discovered that there was an offshore account where sony was deposing money into for Branca , but he could not verify whether indeed that had anything to do with MJ .

He said his investigation ended because he was fired by Konitzer once the later discovered that Legrande wanted to tell mj that konitzer and weizner stole 960.000 from an account belonging to mj .

He did say that Branca was a very good and respected attorney and he would not say at all he was doing anything against mj's interests because he had no evidence to support that .

He also defended Manlik, he was very suspicious of hm first but he determined later that Manlik did alot of things to help mj without receiving any financial gain.

It is important to note that Legrande did say mj served ties with Branca once konitzer told him about the offshore account and he got his power of attorney from mj
 
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Another thing I noticed.

As per Oxman's own quote, Oxman is saying straight out that Joe Jackson wants to be an executor (or personal representative) to Michael's will.

Mrs. Jackson's side has always maintained that "a family member" should have a seat at the table, but they never mentioned Joe Jackson's name as being that person.

So once again Oxman/Joe are trying to trump Mrs. Jackson's new team, by making Joe Jackson that "family member."

Bottomline, not only are they battling the Will, it appears that they are battling one another. I wonder how Mrs. Jackson's new team feels about that.


I have another take on that. I think this is a strategy because Joe can say whatever he wants against the will, whereas Katherine can not. He is listed as a petitioner in the probate court so he can speak his mind.

When they believed there was no will and went to court the petition documents that Joe and Katherine filed stated they wanted two things:

1. That Katherine be made sole guardian of the kids
2. That Katherine be made executor of the estate

Joe never wanted to be an executor but by law he could be if there was no will. I don't think his feelings has changed about Katherine's role, otherwise he would have amended the original petition.


Besides many families from that pre-civil rights era are matriarchal in nature where the wife held the purse strings and doled out the money. I think he's still okay with that but wants to apply pressure to help Katherine.

I could very well be wrong about my belief.

Either way I think this is an ill-advised war that he is waging.
 
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Is the will valid: yes.
Is the will well written:yes.
Is Branca doing a good job with the estate: yes.
Is the family full of sharks who wants MJ's money: yes
 
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Since I want to enjoy MJ related news with this one being the exception, I'm shammoning myself out of this thread before I lose it. . . . :mat:
 
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Is the will valid: yes.
Is the will well written:yes.
Is Branca doing a good job with the estate: yes.
Is the family full of sharks who wants MJ's money: yes

You just summed this all up perfectly. I honestly can't believe what I'm reading half the time. I'm so upset Michael had this shit following him around his whole life. Such a beautiful person did not deserve this crap.
 
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Is the will valid: yes.
Is the will well written:yes.
Is Branca doing a good job with the estate: yes.
Is the family full of sharks who wants MJ's money: yes


Standing O

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
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Is the will valid: yes.
Is the will well written:yes.
Is Branca doing a good job with the estate: yes.
Is the family full of sharks who wants MJ's money: yes

Very well put. Absolutely agree.
 
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well it is not over..

Joe Jackson Appeals -- The Fight Isn't Over!
Posted Nov 16th 2009 5:40PM by TMZ Staff

Joe Jackson will ask the California Court of Appeal to teach the Superior Court judge in the Michael Jackson estate case a thing or two .... We've learned Joe has filed legal papers setting the stage to challenge the decision throwing out his challenge to Michael's will.

1116_joe_mj_ex.jpg


Joe claims Michael's name was forged on the will ... and he wants John Branca and John McClain booted as executors.

Stay tuned ...



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0X4DxC24N


and if you want to read the files there is the link

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/1116_mj_joe.pdf

edit : why does this had the name of Billie Jean Jackson?
 
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He'll never win when even his wife (and the guardian of the children + 40% of the estate) won't even support him.

And even if the will is fake, who says that he should get anything.

The way he is carrying on, nobody will even attend his funeral, never mind about paying for it.

I hope his remaining 8 children all go against him in public.
 
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