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ugh.
ugh.
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
Woa what's randy got to do with all this?? *puzzled*
O, time for a pop quiz: How do you clear a room in seconds?
A) Rip a mean one
B) Joe Jackson, nuff siad
C) Brian Oxman, ughuke:
____Answer:
If you answered A: WTF? Where have you been
If you answered B: I take it you didn't finish reading the options
If you answered B&C: Congrats and Welcome to the sad reality of grab bag at Michael's estate.
Woa what's randy got to do with all this?? *puzzled*
O, time for a pop quiz: How do you clear a room in seconds?
A) Rip a mean one
B) Joe Jackson, nuff siad
C) Brian Oxman, ugh
uke:____Answer:
If you answered A: WTF? Where have you been
If you answered B: I take it you didn't finish reading the options
If you answered B&C: Congrats and Welcome to the sad reality of grab bag at Michael's estate.
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
Does Joe honestly understand what would HAPPEN if the will were invalidated? (not that it will be) Chaos, in everything from guardianship/custody, to a family ripping one-another apart.
I'll :moonwalk: out of here too
Does Joe honestly understand what would HAPPEN if the will were invalidated? (not that it will be) Chaos, in everything from guardianship/custody, to a family ripping one-another apart.
I'll :moonwalk: out of here too
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For the love of God!:doh:
At this point what can any of us truly say?......
OMG, you ain't lying!
Do they realise what they are about to do? Anybody thinking about Mike's children? I swear to God it was always about Michael's money, never about Michael the son/human being! A line is gonna be drawn through this family and I can see Joe, Randy, Jermaine on one side and everybody else on the other side.
Is'nt it tomorrow that they will be going to court? so I think more details will be revealed then.
For the love of God!:doh:
At this point what can any of us truly say?......
OMG, you ain't lying!
Do they realise what they are about to do? Anybody thinking about Mike's children? I swear to God it was always about Michael's money, never about Michael the son/human being! A line is gonna be drawn through this family and I can see Joe, Randy, Jermaine on one side and everybody else on the other side.
Is'nt it tomorrow that they will be going to court? so I think more details will be revealed then.
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I don't think Joe cares as long as he gets a cut of the money somehow. Un-flipping-believable!
I actually feel so sorry for Branca and McClain. No amount of money they are getting paid could make up for the massive headache of dealing with the Jackson family, Joe, and YES Katherine too. I do not understand what's so hard for them to understand about the WILL AS WRITTEN! Joe. You get NOTHING. If your son wanted to give you something he woulda put it in the will. He didn't. THE END. Katherine. Branca and McClain are the kings of the estate. If your son wanted you on the board he woulda put you there. He didn't. Take your monthly allowance, readjust your finances accordingly and have a seat. THE END.
They will suck this estate DRY and those kids will end up with NOTHING.
I don't think Joe cares as long as he gets a cut of the money somehow. Un-flipping-believable!
I actually feel so sorry for Branca and McClain. No amount of money they are getting paid could make up for the massive headache of dealing with the Jackson family, Joe, and YES Katherine too. I do not understand what's so hard for them to understand about the WILL AS WRITTEN! Joe. You get NOTHING. If your son wanted to give you something he woulda put it in the will. He didn't. THE END. Katherine. Branca and McClain are the kings of the estate. If your son wanted you on the board he woulda put you there. He didn't. Take your monthly allowance, readjust your finances accordingly and have a seat. THE END.
They will suck this estate DRY and those kids will end up with NOTHING.
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yes, I know. so was I
At this point, I hope Team B&M won't get sick of dealing with the Jacksons and throw in the towel.
They have to hold on for MJ's kids...the Jacksons would want nothing but for them to give up.
Meme.. Ramona was being just sarcastic!
yes, I know. so was I
At this point, I hope Team B&M won't get sick of dealing with the Jacksons and throw in the towel.
They have to hold on for MJ's kids...the Jacksons would want nothing but for them to give up.
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Joe- Michael never got the chance or courage to tell you off in life.
His will is his last stand against you.
Maybe every time you whipped him with a belt or called him big nose you should have thought about what would happen when he was gone.
Did you honestly think causing your son physical and emotional pain his whole life would get you the golden goose?
All those cries of pain you ripped from his body made you think he would give you his hard earned money?
You are an arrogant fool.
Lucky I ain't your daughter. The day I turned eighteen, I'd have laid you on your ass. Just like I did my step-mom for abusing me as a child.
Joe- Michael never got the chance or courage to tell you off in life.
His will is his last stand against you.
Maybe every time you whipped him with a belt or called him big nose you should have thought about what would happen when he was gone.
Did you honestly think causing your son physical and emotional pain his whole life would get you the golden goose?
All those cries of pain you ripped from his body made you think he would give you his hard earned money?
You are an arrogant fool.
Lucky I ain't your daughter. The day I turned eighteen, I'd have laid you on your ass. Just like I did my step-mom for abusing me as a child.
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
I got the same feeling when I saw Oxman's name. Why is this guy still hanging around anyway?
This is the same guy who barely waited 10 minutes after Michael was announce dead to go on the news and talk about Michael's drug problem. About how he 'warned' the family that this could happen and how they try to stage an intervention that the family cannot even decide if they staged or not. Where did this guy get his law degree from, University of Phoenix.
I don't even want to get started on Joe out of the respect of the Jackson family. His motives are so obvious that it is barely worth getting made at.
Seriously, the axis of evil need to go away now.
Woa what's randy got to do with all this?? *puzzled*
O, time for a pop quiz: How do you clear a room in seconds?
A) Rip a mean one
B) Joe Jackson, nuff siad
C) Brian Oxman, ugh
____Answer:
If you answered A: WTF? Where have you been
If you answered B: I take it you didn't finish reading the options
If you answered B&C: Congrats and Welcome to the sad reality of grab bag at Michael's estate.
I got the same feeling when I saw Oxman's name. Why is this guy still hanging around anyway?
This is the same guy who barely waited 10 minutes after Michael was announce dead to go on the news and talk about Michael's drug problem. About how he 'warned' the family that this could happen and how they try to stage an intervention that the family cannot even decide if they staged or not. Where did this guy get his law degree from, University of Phoenix.
I don't even want to get started on Joe out of the respect of the Jackson family. His motives are so obvious that it is barely worth getting made at.
Seriously, the axis of evil need to go away now.
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
Okay. Can someone explain this for me?
Are they claiming the will is invalid? Well, then there is the 1997 will who claims the same thing as this one-just that lil Blanket is missing. And Branca is on the 1997 will as well.
What do they want? They want to be executors right?'
What does that mean? What kind of power do the gain, that they can decide how much money Katherine and the kids will get or what? Or will they just re-arrange who gets what and blabla meaning they can decide that for instance Randy will get a certain amount too and what not?
Someone, explain!
Okay. Can someone explain this for me?
Are they claiming the will is invalid? Well, then there is the 1997 will who claims the same thing as this one-just that lil Blanket is missing. And Branca is on the 1997 will as well.
What do they want? They want to be executors right?'
What does that mean? What kind of power do the gain, that they can decide how much money Katherine and the kids will get or what? Or will they just re-arrange who gets what and blabla meaning they can decide that for instance Randy will get a certain amount too and what not?
Someone, explain!
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I hate to say this ..but I think Joe is the front for Katherine...
since Katherine would be dis-inheritied if she contest the will...
see the smoke and mirrors>>>>>>?????
the more time passes by...the more I can see why Michael did not leave his estate to his family......................sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
and as time passes by.. the family will be more and more soiled...and Michael elevated even higher................
since the TII movie showed Michael very sane, very in control and fit.. Joe couldn't go with the scheme of sayin...Michael has been out of his mind for the last 5-8years so ....Randy sees the old news article with Michael in NY jul 2002 and BAM... here is the other scheme...
I hate to say this ..but I think Joe is the front for Katherine...
since Katherine would be dis-inheritied if she contest the will...
see the smoke and mirrors>>>>>>?????
the more time passes by...the more I can see why Michael did not leave his estate to his family......................sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
and as time passes by.. the family will be more and more soiled...and Michael elevated even higher................
since the TII movie showed Michael very sane, very in control and fit.. Joe couldn't go with the scheme of sayin...Michael has been out of his mind for the last 5-8years so ....Randy sees the old news article with Michael in NY jul 2002 and BAM... here is the other scheme...
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indranee
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
from what I know, if this will is declared invalid, the 1997 will prevails.
so, same difference, except Blanket -- a mere technicality that, I am sure, any presiding judge will sort out faster than the proverbial speeding bullet.
from what I know, if this will is declared invalid, the 1997 will prevails.
so, same difference, except Blanket -- a mere technicality that, I am sure, any presiding judge will sort out faster than the proverbial speeding bullet.
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Michael Jackson's father moves to oust will executors
By Alan Duke, CNN
November 9, 2009 11:12 p.m. EST
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The battle for control of Michael Jackson's estate took another turn Monday as the pop singer's father filed a challenge of the men named as executors in Jackson's 2002 will.
Joe Jackson, who was not named as a beneficiary of the will, contends John Branca and John McClain must be disqualified as executors because they hid from the court a mistake regarding Jackson's signature, Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson's attorney, told CNN.
The signature section of the will said it was signed on July 7, 2002, in Los Angeles, although there is proof Michael Jackson was in New York on that date, Oxman said.
"The executors have an obligation to tell the court the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth," Oxman said. "But for four months they've been silent as to where this will was signed. They are concealing this from the court and you cannot do that."
Howard Weitzman, one of the attorneys for Branca and McClain, responded by saying Joe Jackson's claims "are so outrageous that they don't deserve any response."
"John Branca and John McClain, who were designated by Michael Jackson in his will as executors of his estate, will continue carrying out Michael's wishes for the benefit of his mother, his children and charities," Weitzman said in a statement.
Judge Mitchell Beckloff, who is overseeing the probate of Jackson's estate, will hold a hearing in Los Angeles Superior Court Tuesday morning. It is expected he will choose a date in that hearing to consider the arguments on these and other matters related to the estate, Oxman said.
Joe Jackson also filed a request last week asking Judge Beckloff to order the estate to pay him a monthly allowance. While he is married to Jackson's mother -- Katherine Jackson -- he lives separately in Las Vegas and does not share in the monthly allowance from the estate.
Oxman filed a petition Monday afternoon listing 11 grounds for Branca and McClain's dismissal as executors.
In addition to the issue of where the will was signed, Oxman said Branca had several conflicts of interest concerning his involvement with overseeing the partnership between Jackson and Sony to own music catalogues.
The petition also contends that Branca was fired as Jackson's lawyer in 2003, but failed to resign as an executor to the estate as he was ordered.
Michael Jackson died June 25, but the probate of his will has been slowed by a series of court squabbles.
Katherine Jackson is pursuing her own challenge of Branca and McClain. Her lawyers have indicated they would present evidence that the men have possible conflicts of interest that would disqualify them.
Oxman said his grounds for challenging them is separate and different from Katherine Jackson's challenge.
Katherine Jackson's legal team has asked that a member of the Jackson family "have a seat at the table" -- as a third executor.
Under the 2002 will, Michael Jackson's three children and his mother are the chief beneficiaries of his estate, while unnamed charities will share in 20 percent of the wealth.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/11/09/michael.jackson.estate/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Michael Jackson's father moves to oust will executors
By Alan Duke, CNN
November 9, 2009 11:12 p.m. EST
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The battle for control of Michael Jackson's estate took another turn Monday as the pop singer's father filed a challenge of the men named as executors in Jackson's 2002 will.
Joe Jackson, who was not named as a beneficiary of the will, contends John Branca and John McClain must be disqualified as executors because they hid from the court a mistake regarding Jackson's signature, Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson's attorney, told CNN.
The signature section of the will said it was signed on July 7, 2002, in Los Angeles, although there is proof Michael Jackson was in New York on that date, Oxman said.
"The executors have an obligation to tell the court the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth," Oxman said. "But for four months they've been silent as to where this will was signed. They are concealing this from the court and you cannot do that."
Howard Weitzman, one of the attorneys for Branca and McClain, responded by saying Joe Jackson's claims "are so outrageous that they don't deserve any response."
"John Branca and John McClain, who were designated by Michael Jackson in his will as executors of his estate, will continue carrying out Michael's wishes for the benefit of his mother, his children and charities," Weitzman said in a statement.
Judge Mitchell Beckloff, who is overseeing the probate of Jackson's estate, will hold a hearing in Los Angeles Superior Court Tuesday morning. It is expected he will choose a date in that hearing to consider the arguments on these and other matters related to the estate, Oxman said.
Joe Jackson also filed a request last week asking Judge Beckloff to order the estate to pay him a monthly allowance. While he is married to Jackson's mother -- Katherine Jackson -- he lives separately in Las Vegas and does not share in the monthly allowance from the estate.
Oxman filed a petition Monday afternoon listing 11 grounds for Branca and McClain's dismissal as executors.
In addition to the issue of where the will was signed, Oxman said Branca had several conflicts of interest concerning his involvement with overseeing the partnership between Jackson and Sony to own music catalogues.
The petition also contends that Branca was fired as Jackson's lawyer in 2003, but failed to resign as an executor to the estate as he was ordered.
Michael Jackson died June 25, but the probate of his will has been slowed by a series of court squabbles.
Katherine Jackson is pursuing her own challenge of Branca and McClain. Her lawyers have indicated they would present evidence that the men have possible conflicts of interest that would disqualify them.
Oxman said his grounds for challenging them is separate and different from Katherine Jackson's challenge.
Katherine Jackson's legal team has asked that a member of the Jackson family "have a seat at the table" -- as a third executor.
Under the 2002 will, Michael Jackson's three children and his mother are the chief beneficiaries of his estate, while unnamed charities will share in 20 percent of the wealth.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/11/09/michael.jackson.estate/index.html?section=cnn_latest
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No matter how much everybody hates Joe, he is right here. It looks like a fraud because MJ was in NY not in LA. It is going to be a big mess with this Will.
No matter how much everybody hates Joe, he is right here. It looks like a fraud because MJ was in NY not in LA. It is going to be a big mess with this Will.
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It does not matter where the will was sign, as long as they were witnesses. The only way the can prove the will is fake, both of them, is for them to prove the witnesses are lying. Everything else in the middle is just noise.
It does not matter where the will was sign, as long as they were witnesses. The only way the can prove the will is fake, both of them, is for them to prove the witnesses are lying. Everything else in the middle is just noise.
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
from the CNN article, oxman don't challenge the signature's authenticity but is saying the executors are hidding where the will was signed.
anyway, oxman is a proven liar, and this nonsense has to stop.
from the CNN article, oxman don't challenge the signature's authenticity but is saying the executors are hidding where the will was signed.
anyway, oxman is a proven liar, and this nonsense has to stop.
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UPDATE: Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for Branca and McClain, tells TMZ: "These claims filed by Joe Jackson are so outrageous that they don't deserve any response. John Branca and John McClain, who were designated by Michael Jackson in his will as executors of his estate, will continue carrying out Michael's wishes for the benefit of his mother, his children and charities."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0WQt9wrHX
UPDATE: Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for Branca and McClain, tells TMZ: "These claims filed by Joe Jackson are so outrageous that they don't deserve any response. John Branca and John McClain, who were designated by Michael Jackson in his will as executors of his estate, will continue carrying out Michael's wishes for the benefit of his mother, his children and charities."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0WQt9wrHX
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Re: TMZ: Joe Jackson Guns for Branca, McClain
Is this how they made Michael Jackson "cash poor"???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R6VY4RzO5g
This is when the money stated disappearing. Joe is correct but the (Media who the sheep believe) will not discuss this in details. What happened to MJ is an "open secret" in Hollywierd.
Thanks for posting this MJJ G O A T
Even though I do not trust TMZ(this was reported to make the Jackson family look bad) I agree with Joe Jackson. John Branca is a crook. The "clerical mistake" as they call it makes the will invalid. I do not believe he signed this. But this was the design and why he was murdered.
Joe Jackson Guns For Branca, McClain
Posted Nov 9th 2009 8:25PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson never signed his will and the named executors have committed fraud, according to legal papers just filed by Joe Jackson.
As we first posted on TMZ ... there was a clerical mistake in the will. The document indicates Jackson signed the will in L.A., yet he was in NYC on the day in question. We're told the will was in fact signed in New York and the witnesses saw Michael put pen to paper.
Joe doesn't think it was a clerical mistake -- he thinks his son never signed the will. Joe Jackson claims John Branca and John McClain should be booted as administrators because they concealed what Joe calls a "fraud."
Joe Jackson -- through his lawyer, Brian Oxman, claims Jackson fired Branca in 2003 and believed the attorney embezzled MJ's money. Joe claims an "investigation" showed an improper relationship between Branca and Tommy Mottola and the two were "illegally funneling Michael Jackson's money to off-shore accounts in the Caribbean."
Oxman attached a copy of the "investigation" -- conducted by a company called Interfor -- which says "Some sources in the entertainment industry think highly of Branca. However, other sources suggest that he has built his career on the strength of his clients to a point where are (sic) rumors of irregularities involved in accounting fees."
The report goes on to suggest Branca contacted the Justice Department after he was fired and allegedly dropped a dime on Jackson, suggesting MJ's new lawyer -- Alvin Malnik -- was utilizing "Jackson's financial resources and cash business to facilitate Malnik's comprehensive money laundering activities."
As we've already reported, Jackson re-hired Branca before the singer died.
Story developing...
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0WPxZhtC6
Is this how they made Michael Jackson "cash poor"???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R6VY4RzO5g
This is when the money stated disappearing. Joe is correct but the (Media who the sheep believe) will not discuss this in details. What happened to MJ is an "open secret" in Hollywierd.
Thanks for posting this MJJ G O A T
Even though I do not trust TMZ(this was reported to make the Jackson family look bad) I agree with Joe Jackson. John Branca is a crook. The "clerical mistake" as they call it makes the will invalid. I do not believe he signed this. But this was the design and why he was murdered.
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yes they are claiming that the will is invalid as it says los angeles but MJ was in new york at that time.
executors say that one of the witnesses wrote los angeles because he though that he was supposed to write "place of residence" not "place signed".
executors say that they have affidavits from the witnesses saying that they saw him sign it. judge can throw the claims by this affidavits. and /or he can ask for authentication of the signature.
if the authentication is asked and found out to be fake then the 1997 will become valid. I don't know how the jackson's will dispute that one.
whether branca is fired or hired is totally irrelevant. executors do not need to be employees of a person they just need to have the ability to do the job. for example mj could have listed donald trump as an executor solely based on the fact that he is a good businessman.
if the executors found out to not to look for the best interest of the person , they can be removed. these claims about branca is not new but the reality is that they were started by Geffen to make MJ fire Branca. there was no evidence about these stuff and Mj basically rehired branca when he found that people made up these fake stories.
the whole idea is to get the executor position by that that can make all the business decisions - such as use MJ's songs & footage in the new reality show that they are doing and allocate all of the money - such as joe giving himself a big allowance. and that is all this is about.
yes they are claiming that the will is invalid as it says los angeles but MJ was in new york at that time.
executors say that one of the witnesses wrote los angeles because he though that he was supposed to write "place of residence" not "place signed".
executors say that they have affidavits from the witnesses saying that they saw him sign it. judge can throw the claims by this affidavits. and /or he can ask for authentication of the signature.
if the authentication is asked and found out to be fake then the 1997 will become valid. I don't know how the jackson's will dispute that one.
whether branca is fired or hired is totally irrelevant. executors do not need to be employees of a person they just need to have the ability to do the job. for example mj could have listed donald trump as an executor solely based on the fact that he is a good businessman.
if the executors found out to not to look for the best interest of the person , they can be removed. these claims about branca is not new but the reality is that they were started by Geffen to make MJ fire Branca. there was no evidence about these stuff and Mj basically rehired branca when he found that people made up these fake stories.
the whole idea is to get the executor position by that that can make all the business decisions - such as use MJ's songs & footage in the new reality show that they are doing and allocate all of the money - such as joe giving himself a big allowance. and that is all this is about.
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fyi - writing los angeles instead of new york does not make a will invalid.
also if this was the design and they had set up a will that was signed at 2002 why did they wait 7 years to murder him?
fyi - writing los angeles instead of new york does not make a will invalid.
also if this was the design and they had set up a will that was signed at 2002 why did they wait 7 years to murder him?
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This is so embarrassing. Joe and his cronies are complete idiots. How low can these folks go out of greed? My God....
If this Will is invalid the old Will will be brought in and it is EXACTLY THE SAME. Or are you saying the old will is also fake? :doh:
This is so embarrassing. Joe and his cronies are complete idiots. How low can these folks go out of greed? My God....
If this Will is invalid the old Will will be brought in and it is EXACTLY THE SAME. Or are you saying the old will is also fake? :doh:
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Isn't their something called a Plane?....A Helicopter? Couldn't MJ had taken one of those the same day he signed the will to go back to L.A after being in New York protesting against Sony?
Anyways....I don't like Joe, Branca and Sony non are innocent here, when it comes to MJ. But, whatcha gonna do?, let it be through court I guess to get this mess fixed!
Isn't their something called a Plane?....A Helicopter? Couldn't MJ had taken one of those the same day he signed the will to go back to L.A after being in New York protesting against Sony?
Anyways....I don't like Joe, Branca and Sony non are innocent here, when it comes to MJ. But, whatcha gonna do?, let it be through court I guess to get this mess fixed!
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agrr!
agrr!
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For any will to be made legal by law you must have the signature of the person in question as well as two more or witnesses to sign the will. The witnesses are there to make sure that the person actually sign the will. As long as these witnesses stand by there story it makes little different where the will was sign or even if the location is wrong.
The only way to prove the will invalid is for them to show the witnesses are lying. They also have to do the samething for the 1997 will if the 2002 one is proven to be false.
For any will to be made legal by law you must have the signature of the person in question as well as two more or witnesses to sign the will. The witnesses are there to make sure that the person actually sign the will. As long as these witnesses stand by there story it makes little different where the will was sign or even if the location is wrong.
The only way to prove the will invalid is for them to show the witnesses are lying. They also have to do the samething for the 1997 will if the 2002 one is proven to be false.