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Thriller 40th Anniversary

SmoothGangsta said:
What exactly are you trying to say here? That it's cool that the promotion for the release so far has been executed by a 14 year old with bad grammar on twitter? What does that have to do with people being annoyed about being resold music?

The marketing thing is quite simple and literally everyone else does it properly, like someone earlier said, they are inept.
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High-level marketing efforts are usually reserved for projects that are geared towards the general audience, not hardcore fans who would already be privy to the project. And yet, including “Sunset Driver” and “Got the Hots” on disc 2, which casual listeners largely haven’t heard, is a controversial decision because it doesn’t cater to us. So, who precisely is this project for?

Are we really pretending that the estates of George Michael, Prince, and the Beatles have done above-average marketing for their reissues? Press releases, a fun tease or two that gets no attention beyond the core fan community, and that’s it. That’s literally what the estate is doing. And one quick gander into any fan forum for the above listed artists will show that the argument that those estates aren’t pulling it off nearly as well as MJ fans insist.

I dunno. I just feel the inconsistency and complaints are totally out of proportion with the actual events. “They aren’t promoting a reissue to casuals, even though it’s supposed to be aimed at us!” What exactly is the expectation that isn’t being surpassed?
 
AlwaysThere said:
High-level marketing efforts are usually reserved for projects that are geared towards the general audience, not hardcore fans who would already be privy to the project. And yet, including “Sunset Driver” and “Got the Hots” on disc 2, which casual listeners largely haven’t heard, is a controversial decision because it doesn’t cater to us. So, who precisely is this project for?
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Out of everyone, I was hoping to hear the answer from you.
AlwaysThere said:
Are we really pretending that the estates of George Michael, Prince, and the Beatles have done above-average marketing for their reissues? Press releases, a fun tease or two that gets no attention beyond the core fan community, and that’s it. That’s literally what the estate is doing. And one quick gander into any fan forum for the above listed artists will show that the argument that those estates aren’t pulling it off nearly as well as MJ fans insist.
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They do what the Estate should do: show us some love. Niche releases won't hurt. Everything is focused on the casuals and potential new fans, yet we're the ones showing the green to them.
I'm a SA fan, tell me exactly how do the Vegas show and/or the Broadway show appeal to me? I tell you I cannot afford flying all the way there just for it, so people should really chill and quit acting like these are dealbreakers for everyone. The deluxe edition of Bad 25, which was something I've been eager to get from day one, was never released here. So, for me, it was just TII, Michael and Xscape for the past 13 years.
Apart from that, notice how most of the other Estates and artists also release new music ever so often, but have a bunch of releases focused on specific niches in between or even along with the major releases. They don't have to release new music every year, but again, it's been 8 years since the last release (Scream doesn't count, compilations are re-releases with new packaging). As much as I agree with the whole argument of the studio material being finite, they do act like studio material is all there is. How about live concerts? There's a whole niche for it, production costs are really low (since we are in the digital era, so it's just a matter of ripping and uploading it somewhere) and all their excuses are not valid since the target public for such release is already aware of it all (quality, mixing, etc).
But yes, how naive I am, doing nothing is much better than doing something, right? "Oh, but One and MJ the Musical", yeah, only US and EU fans are considered.
 
MJbr2 said:
Out of everyone, I was hoping to hear the answer from you.

They do what the Estate should do: show us some love. Niche releases won't hurt. Everything is focused on the casuals and potential new fans, yet we're the ones showing the green to them.
I'm a SA fan, tell me exactly how do the Vegas show and/or the Broadway show appeal to me? I tell you I cannot afford flying all the way there just for it, so people should really chill and quit acting like these are dealbreakers for everyone. The deluxe edition of Bad 25, which was something I've been eager to get from day one, was never released here. So, for me, it was just TII, Michael and Xscape for the past 13 years.
Apart from that, notice how most of the other Estates and artists also release new music ever so often, but have a bunch of releases focused on specific niches in between or even along with the major releases. They don't have to release new music every year, but again, it's been 8 years since the last release (Scream doesn't count, compilations are re-releases with new packaging). As much as I agree with the whole argument of the studio material being finite, they do act like studio material is all there is. How about live concerts? There's a whole niche for it, production costs are really low (since we are in the digital era, so it's just a matter of ripping and uploading it somewhere) and all their excuses are not valid since the target public for such release is already aware of it all (quality, mixing, etc).
But yes, how naive I am, doing nothing is much better than doing something, right? "Oh, but One and MJ the Musical", yeah, only US and EU fans are considered.
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You’re not wrong about the heightened focus on the US market; that’s absolutely something that’s worth addressing.

As for releases, I’ve said it before and I’ll gladly say it again: the purpose of an estate is not to cater to fans with new material. Just because it’s a commonality doesn’t make it the foundation of their existence. The argument that the estate sucks because they aren’t consistently funneling material down our throats, from a vault that is more limited than any of us are truly privy to, means nothing. Frustrating? Sure. But an estate’s goal is to maintain the deceased artist’s business and financial expenses, and thus far they’ve done an immaculate job. Everything else is supplementary, and while they have screwed up time and time again, the idea that they’re “not doing their job” because they aren’t catering to fan demands shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what they actually are here for.

As for what they could release, what evidence do we have that any of it exists? Do we know how deep their well of concert footage goes, given that it’s been established that plenty of things have gone missing due to poor planning over the years? Should they completely drain the vault at one time? Is it worth it to release things just because they exist, rather than take into consideration how MJ would feel? What about people such as myself who don’t care about concerts and only want music—what do they get out of it? There’s no concrete answer to any of these questions, hence why every posthumous project for any artist is clouded with some form of pessimism, especially for an artist as particular as MJ was.

It’s just so frustrating trying to show optimism towards releases, only to be drowned with a barrage of, “I want this song! Where are the concerts? Why can’t they do this? I want this now or I’m gonna be mad!” That’s not even constructive criticism, it’s (my favorite word) entitled whining that the estate isn’t doing something that they never promised, nor are obligated, to do.

I’m just thrilled that we’re finally getting a Thriller reissue worth buying and, while I’m far from impressed with them, it’s still a decent project. But perhaps I’m just taking what I’m given, rather than demanding more and more and more and more.
 
AlwaysThere said:
High-level marketing efforts are usually reserved for projects that are geared towards the general audience, not hardcore fans who would already be privy to the project. And yet, including “Sunset Driver” and “Got the Hots” on disc 2, which casual listeners largely haven’t heard, is a controversial decision because it doesn’t cater to us. So, who precisely is this project for?

Are we really pretending that the estates of George Michael, Prince, and the Beatles have done above-average marketing for their reissues? Press releases, a fun tease or two that gets no attention beyond the core fan community, and that’s it. That’s literally what the estate is doing. And one quick gander into any fan forum for the above listed artists will show that the argument that those estates aren’t pulling it off nearly as well as MJ fans insist.

I dunno. I just feel the inconsistency and complaints are totally out of proportion with the actual events. “They aren’t promoting a reissue to casuals, even though it’s supposed to be aimed at us!” What exactly is the expectation that isn’t being surpassed?
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The Beatles releases are accompanied by basic things, singles releasing to promote the release, marketing that actually tells people what's releasing and doesn't say "this song" instead of naming the track. You're excusing the bad marketing and trying to use the fact it's aimed at us a way to act like it doesn't exist when the two things don't cancel one another out.

Not really sure what it is with some people here and trying to make valid complaints look invalid for no reason. It's basically going "I don't like seeing people complaining".
 
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AlwaysThere said:
As for releases, I’ve said it before and I’ll gladly say it again: the purpose of an estate is not to cater to fans with new material. Just because it’s a commonality doesn’t make it the foundation of their existence. The argument that the estate sucks because they aren’t consistently funneling material down our throats, from a vault that is more limited than any of us are truly privy to, means nothing. Frustrating? Sure. But an estate’s goal is to maintain the deceased artist’s business and financial expenses, and thus far they’ve done an immaculate job. Everything else is supplementary, and while they have screwed up time and time again, the idea that they’re “not doing their job” because they aren’t catering to fan demands shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what they actually are here for.
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I agree with you to an extent, but if they're willing to release stuff every now and then, despite of what it is, they should do it right.
AlwaysThere said:
As for what they could release, what evidence do we have that any of it exists? Do we know how deep their well of concert footage goes, given that it’s been established that plenty of things have gone missing due to poor planning over the years? Should they completely drain the vault at one time? Is it worth it to release things just because they exist, rather than take into consideration how MJ would feel? What about people such as myself who don’t care about concerts and only want music—what do they get out of it? There’s no concrete answer to any of these questions, hence why every posthumous project for any artist is clouded with some form of pessimism, especially for an artist as particular as MJ was.
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We do have evidence to a bunch of stuff from various sources over the years and I could mention a few if you want. It's not saying they have everything, but assuming only a handful of concerts remain in the vault is unconceivable. Also, I don't mean they have to release it all at once, but at least a concert every once in a while, for example.
If they were to "take into consideration how MJ would feel", nothing would ever be put out. If I remember correctly, Michael was adamantly against the release of his unfinished/unreleased studio material. Still here we are.
It wouldn't make a difference to people who aren't into concerts, hence why I said "niche release". Why does it always have to be about you (as in people who want new music)? 75% of what the Estate has done since 2009 is release studio material. It wouldn't hurt to put out a concert every now and then for the ones who want them and show some love to everyone. I much prefer concerts over new music as I feel most of it is subpar, still I ain't complaining that the Estate is releasing a new album.
AlwaysThere said:
It’s just so frustrating trying to show optimism towards releases, only to be drowned with a barrage of, “I want this song! Where are the concerts? Why can’t they do this? I want this now or I’m gonna be mad!” That’s not even constructive criticism, it’s (my favorite word) entitled whining that the estate isn’t doing something that they never promised, nor are obligated, to do.

I’m just thrilled that we’re finally getting a Thriller reissue worth buying and, while I’m far from impressed with them, it’s still a decent project. But perhaps I’m just taking what I’m given, rather than demanding more and more and more and more.
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Okay, some people are overreacting, but that's the way it is. People have opinions, especially when they're consumers. However, their opinions don't reflect the absolute truth, nor do yours.
You're optimistic about it, nice. Some people still have their complaints. I respect the fact that you want new music and seems to be satisfied with this release, good for you. The first thing you did was argue with my idea that it'd be nice for them to release concerts because it doesn't suit you.
So, you're one and the same with people who are overreacting and demanding stuff: you're all making it about yourselves at some point.
Also, if you just accept to take what you're given, that's on you. Some other people like to have a voice. Democracy in its finest.

I rest my case.
 
Every artists popularity declines over time. Fans age and eventually die. A good example is the Beatles they have declined in popularity mostly because there fanbase in declining for reasons I stated. It is hard to keep reinventing a aging artist or a deceased one. MJ fans are aging and we are the ones who would buy the unreleased music and concerts. A good majority of his fanbase would have been born in the 70’s or early 80’s. I care mostly about the music. If they hold onto the material for a long time, I will never hear it. So, I guess I’m selfish in a way but I want to hear it before I’m gone. They won’t be able to pull a rabbit out of their hat in 15 years and have a bunch of new MJ fans to buy the unheard material. Most people will never know it exists. With a do over they should have released all the newest recorded material right after MJs passing that was when his popularity was at its peak. I don’t mean like it was in the 80’s but you get what I’m saying. MJ will never again be as popular as he was following his death.
 
this probably doesn’t count as ‘thriller 40’ promotion, but it’s in the spirit of the general ‘thriller’ season.

Jo O’Meara was part of the popular 90’s uk group s club 7. she’s always cited Michael and the Jackson 5 as her influences growing up. her recent cover of ‘thriller’ is for a children’s hospital charity - which is something Michael would definitely approve of.
 
Hulkamaniac said:
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This is the last place I'd expect to see a soyjak lmfao
 
SmoothGangsta said:
The differences are still there, though.
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Yeah, 4-5 concerts and multiple discs of alternate takes.

The 4-5 concerts probably have vastly different set lists (unlike MJ who’s show to show precision goes without saying) and I’d rather 1 disc of unheard demos than 3 of alternate takes.
 
dam2040 said:
Yeah, 4-5 concerts and multiple discs of alternate takes.

The 4-5 concerts probably have vastly different set lists (unlike MJ who’s show to show precision goes without saying) and I’d rather 1 disc of unheard demos than 3 of alternate takes.
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I agree I'm not at all interested in the gnr set lol, I'm incredibly disappointed they didn't include any demos. Alternate takes are incredibly interesting to me though. I was more talking about general marketing though, which from your previous comments I think we agree on.
 
Mjjc should be the Michael Jackson estate because I just dk WTF is going on at those pitch meetings. They are 60-80 something years old as well keep that in mind. So I just feel like something ain't right with them. I honestly feel like they're against Mj. Thats just my opinion & based on how much us hard-core fans fight for his innocence, fight at each other because of the tactics the estate does,fight for things to be removed (Munich live vocals/2010 malachi tracks to be removed for example)...all we do is fight & they repay us with reissues & chalk & previously released songs that's been available for almost 2decades now & we really ask for small things. I mean why can't the greatest entertainer in the world have JUST 1 4K release, a dolby atmos mixed album, Fans online upscaling videos doing there best to get great quality hd videos while the estate sits on masters...can you imagine the amount of fans that might have passed away since 2017 thriller 3d & they might be releasing it for thriller 40 5years later & thats not even factual. Fans remixing original multitracks with great remixes then the estate comes with dub music on an official albums. They ruined off the wall, dangerous & history reissues for all fans. I can go on & on but my palms are getting sweaty typing this. The estate has my anxiety up sometimes wondering.....WHY??? WHY??? WHY??? WTF IS THE HOLD UP. RELEASE THIS STUFF. IT'LL ALWAYS BE HERE JUST AS PAST CONTENT. THEY ARE PATHETIC,OLD, OR JUST DONT GAF & IM FED UP NOW.... im done
 
wonderouzmj said:
Mjjc should be the Michael Jackson estate because I just dk WTF is going on at those pitch meetings. They are 60-80 something years old as well keep that in mind.
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What's your point here? This is Michael's age bracket. It also happens to be my age bracket.

Just curious to know.
 
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How on earth do you know all estate *workers* are 60 -70? Would it matter anyway if they have experience and knowledge.
I do agree that Sony should release lady in my life as a single maybe others that did not make top hits.
Also use the unheard brand new song very aggressively to hit promo of the album but not straight away.
I am sure the estate will come through, Thriller 40 is a huge thing!
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
How on earth do you know all estate *workers* are 60 -70? Would it matter anyway if they have experience and knowledge.
I do agree that Sony should release lady in my life as a single maybe others that did not make top hits.
Also use the unheard brand new song very aggressively to hit promo of the album but not straight away.
I am sure the estate will come through, Thriller 40 is a huge thing!
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Based on the font selections for Thriller 40, I would've guessed the estate workers are between the ages 4-6.
 
I like Carousel - hope for the full lenght version.
 
Next song will be/must be Can't Get Outta The Rain. Then hopefully Chicago 1945 and last Starlight
 
Wouldn't be surprised if they just shoved visions into topaz ai lol

They should make a deluxe boxset that includes the Thriller era short films remastered.
If they can find a way to get the victory tour released then that would be even better.
 
Robbsaber01 said:
Wouldn't be surprised if they just shoved visions into topaz ai lol

They should make a deluxe boxset that includes the Thriller era short films remastered.
If they can find a way to get the victory tour released then that would be even better.
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Victory Tour doesn’t even have Thriller performed. No way they would stick it with the album.
 
Dorian said:
Victory Tour doesn’t even have Thriller performed. No way they would stick it with the album.
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I mean everyone viewed it as the Thriller tour. He performed 4 tracks from the album for the first time. It was the closest thing to a tour for Thriller.
They didnt perform any tracks from Victory on the tour anyway lol.
 
AlwaysThere said:
The Victory tour should be its own separate project. It would’ve made more sense to pair it with the 2021 album reissue.
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Not to mention the boatload of outtakes that I'm shocked no one paid any real attention to. Nona....Power....Bad Company...all of those could've easily been remastered and released years ago.
 
A thriller tour would have been 🤩
Imagine MJ performing all thriller tracks + 4 or 5 off the wall tracks. It would have been undoubtedly the greatest concert of all time, hell why not perform some tracks that didn’t make it like carousel or sunset driver. I should stop fantasizing.
 
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