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Me neither tbh. I don't want to drag this on too long to btw. But I am not a troll, I just gave my honest opinion on the Bad25 documentary and almost got cancelled for it..
Look, I have much respect for Spike Lee, I grew up on his movies. But I do have an issue with him if I feel his political motivation shines through in a documentary about a historical figure, in this case about MJ. Who knows what he has left out more

Oh please note that my written English is not always the best (and sometimes sucks)


I thought you mentioned me and said my opinion wasn't an 'opinion' but 'brainwashing'. If I am wrong I apologize


Ohhh that's cool, Nigeria?


Me neither. Getting black people their recognition is obviously awesome and so is showing his legacy amongst black people; 'twisting' the story of Michael Jackson and leaving important figures and inspirations out to achieve that goal is not; maybe I'm more sensitive to that since I studied journalism but in a way it's falsifying history


Talked about all the time? Most people don't get further than 'Peter Pan' when they think about MJ's influences. Large scale documentaries like Spike Lee's should be very delicate in my opinion because they do reach a lot of people. And I don't know what you mean with saying that there were also black equivalents to them. If you mean he as much black inspirations as white ones agree but we had already established that. And if you mean his white influences were in turn inspired by black artists than that also goes the other way around of course. People are always inspired by other people and people have been meeting and learning from each other since the dawn of day



Proof of what? I am talking about the MJ documentaries; everyone here has seen them


What do you mean with one angled glance..? My whole critique is based on showing the complete MJ, with all his sides and influences and obsessions


Fair enough! Please continue to do so! I love Quincy Jones's work but I do think he is overrated at times too, especially if you hear some of the demo's MJ created; those songs would be awesome anyway. BUT Quincy did make the music so much richer with his experience as a conductor and his love for Bossasanova etc. Plus Michael's voice somehow matched his music so damn well (much more than Q's other artists imo)


Could be, but I think if you would ask someone on the street at the time of this documentary who was most inspired by MJ it would be JT

Be real, all of these artists got shitloads of bash and even if they are respected by black artists themselves they aren't listened to by the black audience
Well, I don't want this to go on too long either, but I'll actually concede to your points. A fully nuanced and balanced account of MJ, his beliefs, and his actions and feelings have yet to be unveiled. And is likely impossible, now that he's gone especially. Now we have to all concede to just making sure it's as favorable as possible.

Just please pick more nuanced and respectful language next time, some of your terms were very inflammatory. That's what I meant by saying "brainwashed", these terms are being co-opted by people who actually are being intentional in dividing us all. So "stay woke", my friend. We all have to get along in this world as best we can..
 
Well, I don't want this to go on too long either, but I'll actually concede to your points. A fully nuanced and balanced account of MJ, his beliefs, and his actions and feelings have yet to be unveiled. And is likely impossible, now that he's gone especially. Now we have to all concede to just making sure it's as favorable as possible.
Fair enough man!
Yes it's difficult, I just wished The Estate had done more to counter the allegations and other false rumours right after his passing; when the whole world was still listening..

Just please pick more nuanced and respectful language next time, some of your terms were very inflammatory. That's what I meant by saying "brainwashed", these terms are being co-opted by people who actually are being intentional in dividing us all. So "stay woke", my friend. We all have to get along in this world as best we can..
I will try to do chose my words more carefully, although difficult in these times :)
Have a nice day !
 
The sad fact is they could at least release 1 concert in HD of every tour including "victory" and "triumph" tour..

Triumph, Victory and Bad have shows filmed on 35mm and the Off the Wall, T40 and B25 documentaries showed that.....the estate doesn't want to edit the footage so they say the reels were dirty and deem most of the footage unusable.
 
Triumph, Victory and Bad have shows filmed on 35mm and the Off the Wall, T40 and B25 documentaries showed that.....the estate doesn't want to edit the footage so they say the reels were dirty and deem most of the footage unusable.
Not Triumph tho, that Forum footage is SD from a Umatic master.
However, Destiny is.
 
Triumph, Victory and Bad have shows filmed on 35mm and the Off the Wall, T40 and B25 documentaries showed that.....the estate doesn't want to edit the footage so they say the reels were dirty and deem most of the footage unusable.
I have heard rumors that Questlove have both Destiny 3rd leg and Triumph tour LA from the master reel, he got them from the brothers.
 
I have heard rumors that Questlove have both Destiny 3rd leg and Triumph tour LA from the master reel, he got them from the brothers.
Dunno about Destiny, but yes, he's got both Forum shows from 1981 (Sept 25 and 26) as a birthday gift. I'm not quite sure whether he was given a tape copy or a digital transfer of the master/1st gen in possession of the brothers.
His other bday gift was the multitracks to the whole OTW album.
 
I wonder if technology will ever get to a point where we can turn these tapes into real HD material.
 
He also got Triumph as a birthday gift, so obviously there's someone in charge of Sony's archives who likes The Roots. Not gonna blame him there, they're a good group.
Right. But release the concerts for the whole world to see the genius at work, nah, f that
 
More like respect for Questlove who's a music nerd and deep into the business. Guy's a walking encyclopedia of music.
I dunno if I’d say that. He consistently gets MJ facts wrong then fights with fans when they correct him lol. He was far and away the weak link of the Spike documentaries. Why was he there?

Quest is a legend, but I’d like less of him within the MJ sphere.
 
Questlove can't do it, and the Estate would rather you watch the musical and buy the T-Shirts.
Yeah, because they keep acting as if the whole damn fanbase is in the US or can travel there just for these damn shows.
 
What's your definition of "watchable"? Jetzi's videos were watchable, too.😁
Mate that's just unlocked a memory 😅. I was so grateful for Jetzi's videos. We've come a long way since those days

I'd take a Bad 25 Wembley level DVD of New York. The quality never bothered me as much as others, a high quality release would be a dream, but the Wembley DVD beat the camcorder rips we used to have
 
I'd take a Bad 25 Wembley level DVD of New York. The quality never bothered me as much as others, a high quality release would be a dream, but the Wembley DVD beat the camcorder rips we used to have
That's the thing. We ain't sure they had (or have) the master of Wembley, but there's enough proof they still have the MSG master.
 
That's the thing. We ain't sure they had (or have) the master of Wembley, but there's enough proof they still have the MSG master.
Is there proof of that? Not being snarky, I genuinely have no clue about this one. I know they have the snippet of MJ and Tatiana kissing, but that didn’t look much better than DVD quality from what I recall.
 
Is there proof of that? Not being snarky, I genuinely have no clue about this one. I know they have the snippet of MJ and Tatiana kissing, but that didn’t look much better than DVD quality from what I recall.
well, thats the quality of the tape then. it wasnt remastered, if that was fixed up and sharpened it could look really good.
 
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