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[wendijane]

i still need to address the rudeness from the Candy Crushed Gang

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Are we living hell 4 you @Agonum is your acuity slowly dying?

 

[zinniabooklover]

@Fuzball i see it now. it is indeed a michael bloody myers bug ... oh come on.
give meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee grit!
hit me
take a shot boy

oh, that rings a bell. Mike bloody Myers is right. I've seen a few fragments of his work. Could never see the point.

 

[zinniabooklover]

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Beautiful.

 

[wendijane]

oh, that rings a bell. Mike bloody Myers is right. I've seen a few fragments of his work.

Watch out babe he will be coming for us in his pretty little hockey mask soon.fs peep round the corner- ooh i'm scared

Could never see the point.

Exactly my point! lol

 

[wendijane]

that's pretty close to SSG

you are not suppose to love on the opponent Darling Ditsy boy

 

[wendijane]

OK, wend, let's give you a quick run-down on Michael Clark. Here's a beautiful photo from the 80's

Ah . I was meaning to get to this post. Fuz is doing me hed in i feel zonked t

He is beautiful ...he's lovely .. hes up my street , i googled him actually and the first picture he has on his wiki, i was again -oh wow ..look at that stare and his make up ----.yeah i like this guy. Thanks for making me aware of his artistry babe its appreciated.

And here's a bit more info:

"A glittering career as a Royal Ballet dancer was all but guaranteed, but the sense of dislocation grew deeper. "I felt like an alien. My future was all mapped out for me and that was so uninteresting. I lost interest [in ballet] and wanted something that I didn't understand."
(emphasis added)

I like this quote and his mindset. You have introduced me to so much art and culture. It's really appreciated.

Clark dismayed his teachers by quitting the Royal Ballet. He joined the contemporary dance company Ballet Rambert and formed his own company in 1984 at the age of 22. What followed was a series of dance works that were informed by his classical training – "I did try and reject all that, but I couldn't. It was in my body" – but adopted the sounds, aesthetics and spirit of punk and new wave.

You can see he has the go get him - in him ,

"I had to make the two worlds come together," he says.

I love this

"The [Sex] Pistols were very theatrical actually – there was a camp aspect to what they did.

See , it is out the box thinking. Makes me think more I love tht

And darkness too which was very attractive."

He has that vibe.

Those quotes are from 2018. It got me thinking back to his costumes and props and that is interesting bc I always had mixed feelings about them.

God i bet i'll love them all

I loved the OTT aspect and the

I get excited !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111when they are OTT

crazy theatricality

Please ! more !

of it all but it was also problematic bc sometimes the 'stuff' got in the way of the dance, imo. It could obscure things.

Also, Michael's sense of humour was incredibly juvenile and boring so that was a pain to sit through.

Gonna lap that up haha haha

What, are you 5 years old, Michael? Gah! So he did push us, in different ways.

Ahahaha , He was all child like then , He was pushing the boundaries i would think

But that someone could bring together ballet, punk, rock n' roll, wildness, genius, an explosion of colour,

God , that is a beautiful expression ! an explosion of colour that has me drooling because i know it will be such -can't take eyes off him/what he is bringing to the stage - art

exquisite beauty, pantomime, loudness (his shows were like gigs and he would have a band onstage with the dancers) - all of that in one show. I had never seen anything like it. I had never seen anyone do that. I'm not saying he was 100% original. No-one ever is. But the ballet & punk combination, no-one else was doing it at that time, iirc. I can't think of anyone else who was doing full-length ballets like that. You had classical ballet, contemporary ballet and contemporary dance. And Michael was all of that but also something else entirely. Most of his contemporaries were presenting an evening programme consisting of 2 or 3 short pieces. Which is perfectly fine.

He sounds electric. I liked him soon as you posted he the other day .It is a shame he is not doing it now but doesn't want to . can't force a person.

But Michael had other ideas.

Also when he was speaking , just that mindset .It makes him pretty original for me. He is marching to the beat of his own drum . that's important

god, I'm rambling which wasn't the intention, lol.

Well last night post was the ultimate - it threw me across the wall nearly haha . This post i think highly of , thank You @zinniabooklover

 

[zinniabooklover]

Canaletto / The Grand Canal, Venice, Looking South toward the Rialto Bridge

 

[wendijane]

just watching now

perfect profile

 

[wendijane]

Canaletto / The Grand Canal, Venice, Looking South toward the Rialto Bridge

I see some danger in there babe
a few sharks , a couple explosions ,
Are we just warming up ?
But the water is opalescence to me

 

[zinniabooklover]

Ahahaha , He was all child like then

Nope. Not child like. Just childish. An irritating d**khead.

He was pushing the boundaries i would think

He did push boundaries and sometimes it was interesting and sophisticated and sometimes he was simply a d**k.

He sounds electric. I liked him soon as you posted he the other day .It is a shame he is not doing it now but doesn't want to

oh, he's still doing his thing but quite low-key compared to the dizzy heights of the 1980's. He is (or was? I'm out of the loop) the resident choreographer at The Barbican. It's kind of interesting looking at his career compared to Wayne McGregor. I have often thought that Wayne McGregor has done things that Michael should have been doing. People find Michael difficult to work with bc he's too much of a perfectionist and it slows things down way too much. Also, he's such a maverick, he just cannot conform in any way, shape or form, he simply cannot do it, and people still struggle with that even though they know that's what they're gonna get.

Also when he was speaking , just that mindset .It makes him pretty original for me. He is marching to the beat of his own drum . that's important

He is a total original.

The costumes for his work in the 1980's were all done by BodyMap. I'll try to find some photos to post. Just like Michael's work, I don't think the costumes translate well into photos so you won't get the full idea, imo. But you'll get the gist.

 

[wendijane]

Nope. Not child like. Just childish. An irritating d**khead.

zin says it as it is ! . well he was a baby though right?

He did push boundaries and sometimes it was interesting and sophisticated and sometimes he was simply a d**k.

Well i guess he was much too much - take me as you find me and that doesn't translate well for most of the entertainment world, especially the dance world.
Just by his first few words . that is a very strong mindset and will. ooooh they couldn't control him ! love love love him

oh, he's still doing his thing but quite low-key compared to the dizzy heights of the 1980's.

once its there it never goes ,

He is (or was? I'm out of the loop) the resident choreographer at The Barbican. It's kind of interesting looking at his career compared to Wayne McGregor. I have often thought that Wayne McGregor has done things that Michael should have been doing.

I suppose Wayne is more soft. I will do that kind of robot mindset

People find Michael difficult to work with bc he's too much of a perfectionist and it slows things down way too much. Also, he's such a maverick, he just cannot conform in any way, shape or form,

non conformists though , their middle name is - hard time

maverick

Now this deserves a heart eyed emoji !

he simply cannot do it, and people still struggle with that even though they know that's what they're gonna get.

Well they are missing out , He tell them , warns them before hand "hi im an arse this is what you'll get " Can't be any more fair than that haha

He is a total original.

The costumes for his work in the 1980's were all done by BodyMap. I'll try to find some photos to post. Just like Michael's work, I don't think the costumes translate well into photos so you won't get the full idea, imo. But you'll get the gist.

Thank you though if it was anything like yesterday and a couple week back , i am sure i will get it. Just looking at the thumb nail of the vid i posted - its a YES! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
It is cool .

 

[zinniabooklover]

zin says it as it is ! . well he was a baby though right?

He was a baby and that is important. He had his own company by the age of 22 and it was an instant success. He went mega. He was the rock star of the ballet world. His shows at Sadlers' Wells were always sold out. For Curious Orange in 1988 they had to give him a 3 week run (you would normally only get 2 weeks, even the big companies only get 2 weeks). The 3 weeks sold out super quick. The atmosphere was electric, like a gig, not like a ballet performance. People used to complain about him being an arse as if that was any surprise. Anyone having that much adulation and success (and pressure, he was 22 and the only choreographer for his company and he employed a lot of people) is going to go mental to some degree. People used to tell me what an arse he was as if they expected that to put me off him. I mean, seriously, people? I love his art and him as an artist. I don't really care if he sometimes acts like a spoilt brat (according to you). It's what he does onstage that counts. I never heard anything vicious about him, only stuff about him being irritating. Well, I can handle that, thanks all the same.

I didn't love everything he did - I never do with my people - but when I watched his work I understood it. I felt seen.

Well i guess he was much too much - take me as you find me and that doesn't translate well for most of the entertainment world, especially the dance world

The dance world, ballet in particular, is so conventional.

I suppose Wayne is more soft

I wouldn't call Wayne McGregor soft. He's pretty adventurous and boundary pushing, too.

non conformists though , their middle name is - hard time

It really is.

Well they are missing out , He tell them , warns them before hand "hi im an arse this is what you'll get " Can't be any more fair than that haha

I think they are missing out. If they can't find a way to cope with Michael being Michael then shame on them, that's what I say.

Thank you though if it was anything like yesterday and a couple week back , i am sure i will get it. Just looking at the thumb nail of the vid i posted - its a YES! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
It is cool .

Actually, I've gone off the idea of posting photos of the costumes. They just don't look right in the photos. Wah!

 

[wendijane]

He was a baby and that is important.

Absolutely that is the core here. He had an idea , amazing at his craft , outspoken, forward thinker, was thrust into the unknown - at an early age.
Edit- also when he discovered that fame was not what he thought , the unknown was like ..... a tunnel with maybe a deflated balloon and no bang... , i dont know i am just vibing here , but it was all incredibly predicable so he left because he was disappointed being told what to do , the music to use etc

He had his own company by the age of 22 and it was an instant success.

The instant must have been so overwhelming , terrifying , elation ,thrilling, shit your pants scary , just all emotions all for one mind to handle.

He went mega.

Yeah that babe mm

He was the rock star of the ballet world. His shows at Sadlers' Wells were always sold out. For Curious Orange in 1988 they had to give him a 3 week run (you would normally only get 2 weeks, even the big companies only get 2 weeks). The 3 weeks sold out super quick. The atmosphere was electric, like a gig, not like a ballet performance.

Wow . I love this . for me babe , His idea and artistry is one of a kind.

People used to complain about him being an arse as if that was any surprise. Anyone having that much adulation and success

Mm people and their complaints- people don't give do they , they take take take

(and pressure,

The big one . it's this that is the basis to arseholio ness lol

he was 22 and the only choreographer for his company and he employed a lot of people) is going to go mental to some degree.

absolutely agree with you

People used to tell me what an arse he was as if they expected that to put me off him.

that's their weak argument

I mean, seriously, people? I love his art and him as an artist.

he is an instant win with me too

I don't really care if he sometimes acts like a spoilt brat (according to you).

They can't pigeon hole him can they ? so then he must be bad (according to em) They don't know his story and they don't care to know

It's what he does onstage that counts. I never heard anything vicious about him, only stuff about him being irritating.

Love the guy

Well, I can handle that, thanks all the same.

Exactly right . i am glad you enjoyed his art and took time to explore him.

I didn't love everything he did - I never do with my people - but when I watched his work I understood it. I felt seen.

I like that babe

The dance world, ballet in particular, is so conventional.


I wouldn't call Wayne McGregor soft. He's pretty adventurous and boundary pushing, too.

Well when i googled Wayne he was like Wayne Sleep or something ....[i am not hating on sleep or mcgregor they are fine, well sleep is ok but they are not too interesting to me I don't know just regular. ] So , just something about Michael and probably the rebel punk aspect and for me the drama aspect but Mike is real so , I enjoy the realness. It is refreshing. Also the fact he made the shows like gigs - unheard of to me.

It really is.


I think they are missing out. If they can't find a way to cope with Michael being Michael then shame on them, that's what I say.

They like people to fit into a category so, a ballet dancer 'should' be meek , and mild , whiny , white tights and 24. 7 camp / Dot Cotton GAY vibes you know ? it is all stereotype .
Michael is wild , ballsy and a forward thinker. So they automatically think . "Oh , because he is not like any of that , well .. he can't be a ballet dancer ! Who is he then ? Grrrrr " Then a witch hunt occurs - and immediately any of his actions or ideas get their backs up

Actually, I've gone off the idea of posting photos of the costumes. They just don't look right in the photos. Wah!

No it is fine babe i will google ...I will see what pin can offer

 

[wendijane]

i had alot to say lol im excited

 

[wendijane]

Michael Duncan Clark CBE is a Scottish dancer and choreographer.

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[Agonum]

I knew it. I knew he'd called it wrong. Unless it was deliberate, of course, but does he have the brain power for that? I doubt it.

The correct answer, of course, is… ?

 

[wendijane]

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[wendijane]

The correct answer, of course, is… ?

RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN from us

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*puts that in your sweetie shop because you and @Fuzball are the Candy Crushed Gang

 

[zinniabooklover]

i had alot to say lol im excited

You did, lol.

Absolutely that is the core here. He had an idea , amazing at his craft , outspoken, forward thinker, was thrust into the unknown - at an early age.

He was being trained and prepared to be the prime male ballet star for the Royal Ballet for the 80's and 90's. He would have had a solid, safe career, everything mapped out, couldn't fail. Would have been brilliant, would have had the pick of roles, dance partners, choreographers to work with. The critics would have swooned over him. For Britain to produce a male ballet star of that calibre is not guaranteed. We can produce star ballerinas easily enough, male ballet stars not so much. Michael was beautiful, his line was truly exquisite, he was a superb dancer, his technique was flawless. He had it all, he just could not fail.

And Michael couldn't stand it. He wanted out. He was a punk and a rebel and he had to go and do his thing.

They like people to fit into a category so, a ballet dancer 'should' be meek , and mild , whiny , white tights and camp / Dot Cotton GAY vibes you know ? it is all stereotype .

ooh, hard disagree, doll. Imo, you are mixing up two different things. For the general public, I think this is still how they see male ballet dancers. But the dance world itself, no, no, no, this is not how they think at all. They know this is not true. I think the dance world, even the ballet world, can cope with mavericks. It's a world full of artists, after all. But ballet is also very, very rigid in many ways. And there is a ... hm, submissiveness might be the wrong word but, certainly, I think the dancers are meant to suppress their autonomy and individuality to some extent.

If you look at Sylvie Guillem's story you can see it clearly. She was very assertive and so they nicknamed her 'Mademoiselle Non' meaning she didn't do what she was told. They would tell her they wanted her to do such and such a role and she would refuse. Well, it's her flaming career, why shouldn't she speak up if she's not happy with the roles being offered her or the partners they want her to team up with? She's the one making money for them, getting the punters in and getting loads of press coverage. Why shouldn't she have a say in her own career?

Michael is wild , ballsy and a forward thinker. So they automatically think . "Oh , because he is not like any of that , well .. he can't be a ballet dancer ! Who is he then ? Grrrrr " Then a witch hunt occurs - and immediately any of his actions or ideas get their backs up

Hm, well, you do have a wild imagination, girl. I don't think any of this is what happened, lol. There hasn't ever been a witch hunt against Michael. Just the usual ballet incomprehension - 'wah! what do we do with this wild, outspoken person? wah!'. The ballet world didn't really know what to do with Michael or with Sylvie Guillem but they are both loved, thankfully.

Can't remember which critic it was - don't think it was a British one - but someone once described Michael as the Andy Warhol of the ballet world.

 

[zinniabooklover]

The correct answer, of course, is… ?

you're missing the point. She was never gonna go for J.Bond / DC. THAT is the point.

If you want to know which of those guys she would pick, ask her.

 

[zinniabooklover]

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I'm in love. For All Time!

 

[Agonum]

Frank Frazetta

 

[wendijane]

I'm in love. For All Time!

I know ! It is so cool . I just can't with the energy of this . !!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111

 

[Agonum]

you're missing the point. She was never gonna go for J.Bond / DC. THAT is the point.

If you want to know which of those guys she would pick, ask her.

But there’s only one correct answer, regardless of whom I ask!

 

[zinniabooklover]

But there’s only one correct answer, regardless of whom I ask!

Nope. You're STILL missing the bleedin' point and I am too tired to explain. I've had the fortnight from hell so I'll leave you two to do your thing.

 

[Fuzball]

@Fuzball i see it now. it is indeed a michael bloody myers bug ... oh come on.
give meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee grit!
hit me
take a shot boy

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[wendijane]

You did, lol.

I went a bit too overboard i think babe haha

He was being trained and prepared to be the prime male ballet star for the Royal Ballet for the 80's and 90's.

I think he will have turned ballet around...dance ,

He would have had a solid, safe career, everything mapped out, couldn't fail. Would have been brilliant, would have had the pick of roles, dance partners, choreographers to work with.

But.................................................. he would have been on my wall that is for sure-

The critics would have swooned over him.

Oh , i could see the titles zin. And all the excitement all the saturday night tv shows

For Britain to produce a male ballet star of that calibre is not guaranteed. We can produce star ballerinas easily enough, male ballet stars not so much. Michael was beautiful, his line was truly exquisite, he was a superb dancer, his technique was flawless. He had it all, he just could not fail.

And Michael couldn't stand it.

Yep. he just didn't feel it in his heart.

He wanted out.

Everyone missed out

He was a punk and a rebel and he had to go and do his thing.

He is real

ooh, hard disagree, doll.

I'm getting all protective over him haha

Imo, you are mixing up two different things. For the general public, I think this is still how they see male ballet dancers. But the dance world itself, no, no, no, this is not how they think at all. They know this is not true. I think the dance world, even the ballet world, can cope with mavericks. It's a world full of artists, after all. But ballet is also very, very rigid in many ways.

The word rigid makes me wince babe lol

And there is a ... hm, submissiveness might be the wrong word but, certainly, I think the dancers are meant to suppress their autonomy and individuality to some extent.

Yeah i agree . Its suppressed maybe ...suppressed creativity
And yes because the guy has that special one of a kind

individuality

in him . Then he will get a bad rep i guess.

If you look at Sylvie Guillem's story you can see it clearly. She was very assertive and so they nicknamed her 'Mademoiselle Non'

meaning she didn't do what she was told.

Good.

They would tell her they wanted her to do such and such a role and she would refuse.

Bloody good on her.

Well, it's her flaming career, why shouldn't she speak up if she's not happy with the roles being offered her or the partners they want her to team up with? She's the one making money for them, getting the punters in and getting loads of press coverage. Why shouldn't she have a say in her own career?

Because she went against them and had a mind and a mouth ....Oh , I like her !

Hm, well, you do have a wild imagination, girl.

My lips are sealed LOL

I don't think any of this is what happened, lol.

No i guess but i guess i meant that they didn't understand his art, or him.

There hasn't ever been a witch hunt against Michael. Just the usual ballet incomprehension - 'wah! what do we do with this wild, outspoken person? wah!'.

To me , thats a bit of a hunt though. They tried to tame him , keep his ideas down , Sort of block his ongoing creativity so he kind of went ah fk it , and i don't want to be told this , this this . got angry, more-so frustrated and misunderstood and people then say . "Oh hes too much ! Can't have him doing his thing!"

The ballet world didn't really know what to do with Michael or with Sylvie Guillem but they are both loved, thankfully.

Good. Good. Goood Loved but maybe stopped in some ways.

Can't remember which critic it was - don't think it was a British one - but someone once described Michael as the Andy Warhol of the ballet world.

Mmm . See , I really liked Andy. Oh god. hey i am thinking about him and Andy what work they could have created , the imagery and the dance
.. it is cruel that it never happened .
I have found some pics of our Michael but yeah you are right, they don't translate the energy of his raw edge . I will you know , I still will have a jolly good snout around though , Pin does find some gems - and I really like this one backstage.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/506092076853077708/

 

[Agonum]

Nope. You're STILL missing the bleedin' point and I am too tired to explain. I've had the fortnight from hell so I'll leave you two to do your thing.

What makes you think that I’m missing the point?

 

[wendijane]

oh god i keep thinking about him and andy now @zinniabooklover sometimes it's all a crying shame.

 

[wendijane]

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