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The Jacksons Las Vegas Residency

Annita said:
I think the Jacksons did not have so little press for the show. ABC, NBC, The Insider, cover-story for the Las Vegas Magazine, Ebony interview, Robin Leach and some more articles and interviews.I thought the press was really friendly to them.
I think the Las Vegas shows show where they are not capable to fill the small casino even half shows the
4 Jacksons do not really have their own fan base. The Reunity Tour has shown it and now the Las Vegas show.
I think the only way for them to play in good visites halls is in the context of nostalgy shows as part of the show with other bands.
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That is so true. They've always relied on MJ fans to help them. but with all the nonsense they've done since MJ passing, it's no surprise people are not interested.

The other big problem with the jacksons is their utter arrogance, lack of creativity, and poor work ethics.
 
I really believe if they hadn't stopped working and they hadn't pulled such despicable anthics after Michael passed, people wouldn't have forgotten about them and I bet the MJ fans would be more supportive. It seems they're doing whatever it takes for having more fans despising them every time instead of doing the opposite, they won't stop using and exploiting the children, unfortunately. I agree with Annita, the J4 should tour/present with other bands if they wanna make money.
 
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I wonder how they feel about this, especially Jermaine. It is sad that they could not even get a big tourist trade.
 
I wonder what they are going to do next.
Maybe they have time to finish their new album.
 
^Is that album story true. Jermaine said they cancelled earlier shows in the Unity Tour so they could go to the studio and work on an album, and then they mentioned this album again in interviews about the Vegas show. Also during the tv series, they mentioned an album that did not really go anywhere.
 
I do feel tiny bit of pity for Jackie, Tito and Marlon, but Jermaine had it coming and he is liability to other guys. They have total lack of humbleness, and mentally carry on where they left show business nearly 30 years ago. I personally don't like the cockiness and boasting that some members of J4 displays, and I suppose it is a bit off putting.

Annita, I agree that they should hook up with other bands and do nostalgia gigs. The Temptations and 4 tops were touring together and I checked earlier how much they charged for Apollo NY gig and it was much less than Jacksons. They can ask big amounts if they have MJ with them, but without MJ they go to same level as Temptations and 4 Tops.

I wonder what is going to be next step, carry on with dignity and re-asses their work, or more foolishness?
 
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So sad for Jackson brother. On one hand we see no more making $$$ from Michael. Yet also there is showing that no one interested in Jackson music. Wish it could get better.
 
I hope all the people who support them so strongly in this forum were able to buy tickets to help them out. Plus All the people who believe the will is fake should buy tickets and support their group.
 
Maybe they will do the same as 3T and get a spot on the reunion type show.
 
i actully wanted to go see them here in mi but im not for one reason the tickets are 75 dollars each for handicap and i have to buy 2 i paid like 80 last time i saw janet but i was also as close to the stage as i can get im not paying 80 dollars for nose bleeds if they put out a dvd im not gonna lie id rent it
 
I mean no disrespect or to offend but it's not the same without Michael. I remember watching the Dynasty reality show they did and one of the producers who worked with Janet said to the camera talking by himself that you can't replace Michael and they have to be different. I get the impression that they think they are on the same level as Michael and they are not. Again no disrespect. They were successful and should be proud what they achieved but Michael reached so high that it's not the same. They need to be able to see the reality of the situation now. Joining other groups for example would be better than just them headlining the show. If they want to tour and perform that's great for them. They need to change their strategy that will benefit them and their fans.
 
Petrarose said:
I hope all the people who support them so strongly in this forum were able to buy tickets to help them out. Plus All the people who believe the will is fake should buy tickets and support their group.
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Their (mainly "it easily could have been me" Jermaine) ego is too big in order to them to do smaller gigs in smaller places.
Sometimes when I read article about them, they mention this moniker "music royalty" and they (Jermaine) take it too seriously, thus he thinks as they are music royalty, they are too big for small venues. They believe in something that only exists on cyberspace, not in reality.

Btw, they are never going to get any album out as a group. MJ was the only one that could make them work as a team, but eventually he probably got tired of their bickering etc

Michael's own words of them:
"The brothers didn't give me support," "We'd be working on a TV show or video and they'd be sitting around moaning and groaning but I'd be watching and learning.
"It takes a talent, but some people are lazy and don't want to develop anything."

I love this quote from Michael as it shows his determination and how he makes his dreams to reality:
"I am the captain of my ship. I take suggestions and listen to what everyone has to say, but the final decision is mine."

Also their ticket prices were off the wall. for example their Meet&Greet was $400, whereas lets say Justin B was $275. JB is more current artists and can command bigger prices, but J4 aren't.
 
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MIST said:
I wonder what they are going to do next.
Maybe they have time to finish their new album.
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Well, according to Jackie we can expect a really big thing


EBONY: So will a new Jackson LP happen soon?

JJ: Yes, we're just trying to finish up, we've already started on some things, but we're trying to finish up while we're going to be all together in Las Vegas. We're gonna start recording again and try to finish it up. Hopefully, it'll be out by the summertime....

EBONY: What are your thoughts on new artists keeping that Jackson 5 sound alive?

JJ: I think it's wonderful. The music is coming back to where it was. Like Robin Thicke's hit song "Blurred Lines." That's a great song, it felt like a Marvin Gaye type of thing. It's music-- it's coming back. Like Bruno Mars, like I told you before that kinda stuff is coming back. It really is, good music is coming back.

EBONY: How was the process of working with new artists on the tour?

JJ: Working with these new artists is really easy because they admire us and what we've done in the past. They pretty much come in and let us do what we want to do and they just want to join forces with us. It turns out really wonderful.

EBONY: As a songwriter, how do you feel about the content of today's new records?

JJ: What I think as a song writer, a lot of these artists are listening to these old songs from back in the day. And they're coming up with some great hooks. They're really are today. They're bringing it back. Lyrical content is very important and also to have a great chorus or a great hook-- a great sing-a-long. My thing was having great melodies. Melodies are very important in a song. Having a great melody and a great hook. That's what I would always come up with a great melody and that's important.

EBONY: Can you speak on your label and what you're working on in terms of artist development?

JJ: It's more of a production company more or less, you know. I'm still developing some artists here and there. I have a big surprise coming really soon. It's five girls. I'm not going to elaborate on that anymore. It's five girls...they're all nationalities. It's gonna be incredible.
 
Maybe he will have some girls do an album, but the album from the J4--I don't know.^^
 
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Their (mainly "it easily could have been me" Jermaine) ego is too big in order to them to do smaller gigs in smaller places. Sometimes when I read article about them, they mention this moniker "music royalty" and they (Jermaine) take it too seriously, thus he thinks as they are music royalty, they are too big for small venues....Also their ticket prices were off the wall. for example their Meet&Greet was $400.
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marebear said:
...I get the impression that they think they are on the same level as Michael and they are not...
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Bubs said:
They can ask big amounts if they have MJ with them, but without MJ they go to same level as Temptations and 4 Tops.
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I totally agree that the "music royalty" thing went to the J4's heads. They don't seem to grasp that MJ's "royal" identity as the "King of Pop (Rock & Soul)" does NOT carry over to them. The prices for their shows and M&Gs don't match their limited appeal. I frankly think the Temptations/Four Tops are more marketable, because they're able to use replacement singers to replicate the sound of their records -- the Jacksons really can't, since they don't have anyone that can sound or perform like MJ.

It seems hard for them to understand that they were child stars/teen idols with MJ as their front man, but that he and he alone went on to become an icon/legend over 30 years ago. During the J5 days, their parents gave them the "group" message that all the boys were equals (getting angry when people would call them MJ and the J5) and that the only person they should think of as being "in charge," was Joe, not MJ. Even though MJ's talent was the driving force behind the group's recording success (with producers saying the other boys weren't needed in the studio) and MJ was working the hardest/contributing the most creativity to performances, the other bros received the same amount of money as MJ from group records/performances and had equal voting power (leading to MJ often being outvoted with bad decisions by the bros, like the Don King/Victory Tour ticket fiasco).

As the J5/Jacksons, they were accustomed to getting the same money and perks as MJ, though they always contributed vastly less to the process/success of the J5/Jacksons. Then they seemed to believe MJ's solo success was based on their success as a group (rather than the reality that the J5's success was mostly due to MJ), so they felt entitled to their group "cut" of his solo earnings while he did all the work. Since MJ's death, they've acted entitled to his money, career successes, and his fan base, but none of these things belong to them. Perhaps they assumed a good portion of those thousands of fans willing to fly to London for MJ's 02 shows were actually willing to travel to Vegas to see them.
 
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I wonder why haven't "music royals" announced cancellations? There is nothing in their own website, facebook or twitter, or RockTellz&Cocktails website? They cannot be that ignorant that they leave fans to find out themselves and offer no explanation?

I was reading comments on their facebook and one poster left this message to them:
I had booked ticks for Friday 11th April, flights & hotel sorted all the way from Scotland, everything booked around your show... Now it's cancelled!! Pretty disgusted at this!
 
The Osmond family has kept going through the year's. Three of the brother's have reformed and were playing over at the Orleans, just off the Strip (Las Vegas). Why?

Because competing with Donny, back in the 70's, was Merrill Osmond, who has a really good voice. Jermaine cannot compete with Merrill and therein lies the problem.

Also, for year's the Osmond family and their children performed in Branson, Missouri. For a time, performing at Andy William's theater. See, the egos did not abound, just a really good work effort, a true cohesiveness. Same with Donny and Marie Osmond. For several year's, they have been working on the Strip, at the Flamingo. They have also performed other places during this time period. It draws people to come see them perform at the Flamingo.

Here lies the root problem, the work ethic. If the Jackson's realized their potential, they'd pull that together and make their Show's profitable. They aren't rooted in reality!
 
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Their (mainly "it easily could have been me" Jermaine) ego is too big in order to them to do smaller gigs in smaller places.
Sometimes when I read article about them, they mention this moniker "music royalty" and they (Jermaine) take it too seriously, thus he thinks as they are music royalty, they are too big for small venues. They believe in something that only exists on cyberspace, not in reality.

Btw, they are never going to get any album out as a group. MJ was the only one that could make them work as a team, but eventually he probably got tired of their bickering etc

Michael's own words of them:
"The brothers didn't give me support," "We'd be working on a TV show or video and they'd be sitting around moaning and groaning but I'd be watching and learning.
"It takes a talent, but some people are lazy and don't want to develop anything."

I love this quote from Michael as it shows his determination and how he makes his dreams to reality:
"I am the captain of my ship. I take suggestions and listen to what everyone has to say, but the final decision is mine."

Also their ticket prices were off the wall. for example their Meet&Greet was $400, whereas lets say Justin B was $275. JB is more current artists and can command bigger prices, but J4 aren't.
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they are straight up delusional. They were busy screwing women and abandoning children while Michael was working hard.
I am glad they are failing, not that I ever expected anything else. After all their despicable actions toward Michael this is Karma, and it's only going to get worse.
 
Holly Madison reaches back to 1923 for new project; Jacksons cutting out, but Meat Loaf to return at PH

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ka...madison-reaches-back-1923-new-show-jacksons-/

• The Jacksons’ run in “Rocktellz & Cocktails” at Planet Hollywood is being trimmed by about three weeks. Originally scheduled to run through April 27, instead the brothers’ autobiographical song-and-dance production closes April 6.

The first, instinctive reaction to such an early closing is that ticket sales are soft. But show producer Adam Steck says the box office numbers have actually been improving for the show starring Jackie, Tito, Jermaine and Marlon.

He says the reason for the shortened run is that there was a second act expected to alternate the late time slot with the Jacksons, that 9:30 p.m. starting time following Meat Loaf’s 7 p.m. performances at PH. That act fell out, and it was too expensive for the Jacksons to hold that time slot in the Planet Hollywood Showroom on their own. So, they are out.

The upshot to all of this is Meat Loaf, who is doing strong business in his second swing through the “Rocktellz” series, will be back for another run beginning the first week in May. His current run closes April 8.
 
^^Too expensive? Does that mean the Jacksons had to pay for their slot? I thought this was a show where you were asked to come in and perform and then you were paid some money? Does this mean that out of their money the Jacksons make from sales, they have to pay the venue? If they can't pay, wouldn't that mean that ticket sales are not too strong. How come the other group is able to pay for that time slot and not the Jacksons?
 
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^^Too expensive? Does that mean the Jacksons had to pay for their slot? I thought this was a show where you were asked to come in and perform and then you were paid some money? Does this mean that out of their money the Jacksons make from sales, they have to pay the venue? If they can't pay, wouldn't that mean that ticket sales are not too strong. How come the other group is able to pay for that time slot and not the Jacksons?
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seems that way. Seeing them fail is soothing to my soul, maybe I am a wicked person but I enjoy their failure, I believe in karma very strongly and I believe this is theirs.
 
EUR Exclusive: The Jacksons Vegas Show Cancelled
Brothers Former PR Rep Says 'Cause They Couldn't Sell Tickets'

Official Statement from ‘Rocktellz & Cocktails’ Creator tells a different story

* EURweb has just learned that The Jacksons‘ 40-date show at the Planet Hollywood’s PH showroom under the ‘Rocktellz & Cocktails’ format in Las Vegas, NV has been cancelled. The group’s final show was on Sunday, April 6, according to the official publicist.
This, eight days short of the originally planned end date.

A former Jacksons PR rep, spokesperson and former friend by the name of Phoenix is the bearer of this news. You may remember Phoenix: he authored the book, “Touched by the Jacksons” and later, the press release that told us the brothers’ Unity Tour would never come to pass.

Not ringing a bell yet?

Well how’s this? He’s the guy the Jackson brothers threatened for writing that press release.
(link to it: http://www.eurweb.com/2012/07/jackson-brothers-threatens-publicist-over-unity-tour-press-release/)

Yes, him.

Well he’s back with an inside scoop on what he tells EURweb head honcho, Lee Bailey, is the real deal on why The Jacksons Las Vegas show was cancelled, and, well lets just say this, its a different story than the “Official Statement” the show creator sent us.

“I just got a call from one of my sources in Las Vegas, directly from the Planet Hollywood Casino,” Phoenix tells Bailey. “…and I was informed that the Jackson brothers show – series of shows that they had booked there was cancelled…due to poor ticket sales and the actual production of the show was not up to par,” he continues.
“The actual brothers themselves, Jackie, Tito, Marlon and Jermaine could not deliver what they used to deliver back in the 70s and 80s when they were in their prime.”

In all fairness, few performers pushing 60 and up, can.

When Lee asks Phoenix if this is his opinion or if it is coming from Planet Hollywood he pretty much said it was “coming from things that I feel, but I heard throughout the conversation when I was speaking with my sources regarding that the Jacksons could not deliver…and the general public just wasn’t buying it.”
Phoenix says that during some of the nights of performance the house was either half or sometimes one-quarter full.

“The buyers knew they were losing money so they could no longer extend that contract on the original agreement that was given to The Jacksons.”

Phoenix claims he predicted this would happen and that the brothers were backed up against the wall to do these shows “because they were no longer riding the gravy train that Michael [Jackson] was providing for them when they were not working as a group or out there in the public.”

Referencing Michael as “the only talented Jackson,” Phoenix is questioned on his thoughts about Janet Jackson‘s abilities.

“As for Janet’s career, she’s what you call a ‘Flip side’ of Michael. Which is a copycat of Michael…But Janet has her own talent, I won’t say she’s not talented, but she will never be what Michael was. Not by a long shot.”
Phoenix goes on to tell Bailey that the Jackson brothers were “whipped into what they did” and equates their upbringing in the music business to a form of “slavery.”

“I don’t mean to speak very vulgar and sound negative, its just that they were slaves when Joe Jackson had them when they were growing up. And they were forced and whipped into that when they did not truly have that in their blood,” Phoenix continues emphatically.

Meanwhile, when we contacted the PR people for the show and asked if it was true that The Jacksons show had been cancelled due to poor ticket sales, they said it is true that the show was cancelled but that it was a “mutual decision” between The Jacksons and the show creators based on the fact that The Jacksons were sharing room space with the Meatloaf show. When Meatloaf left, another group was supposed to take his place. That group did not come on board leaving The Jacksons with little alternative but to cancel the remaining shows.

The Jacksons alternated times with Meat Loaf, who performed at 7 p.m. Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays from Feb. 13 to April 8. The Jacksons performances were set for 9:30 p.m. Thursdays through Sundays through April 27; with single performance days on Tuesdays for Meat Loaf and Sundays for The Jacksons.

An official statement from Adam Steck, the creator and producer of RockTellz & CockTails reads,
“The Jacksons will be ending their run in RockTellz and CockTails at Planet Hollywood Resort & Casino a bit earlier than expected,” said Steck, who is also CEO of SPI Entertainment. “The act they thought would share the room with them post-Meat Loaf unfortunately couldn’t make the dates work.”

So yes, on the one hand, some of what Phoenix says is true. Obviously, The Jackson’s could not fill the PH showroom at Planet Hollywood. But then again, looking at the official statement,
They never expected to.

Read more at http://www.eurweb.com/2014/04/eur-exclusive-the-jacksons-vegas-show-cancelled/#R3o56GJVo5koPLlX.99
 
This guy sounds like some annoying little girls I had in elementary school. You know running with a story to tell on someone about something that you don't really know for sure, but you think this is it, and you are putting thoughts together....All very sickening. Why is he so obsessed with writing and saying bad things about the Jackson men. I mean I call them out when the situation arise but to go and write press releases and bring semi truths to a media outlet shows he is really making a business out of his nastiness. He is as creepy as Muarry..
 
Annita said:
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-...eping-michaels-spirit-alive-405#ixzz2uhInqu9C



EBONY: Are you working in new music with the classics?

JJ: We're working on new songs and with other artists as well---I don't want to tell you who they are right now, but there will be a press conference in time when we will deliver all that to everyone. It's gonna be a great time. We're very, very excited about the project we're doing right now. It's gonna be a change of the whole Jackson sound that people want to hear. It's like that song "Treasure" by Bruno Mars--that's a Jackson song. It sounds like a Jackson song. It's an old style Jackson song. Its a hit record, a great sound. You're gonna hear stuff like that. It's going to be exciting.

EBONY: So will a new Jackson LP happen soon?

JJ: Yes, we're just trying to finish up, we've already started on some things, but we're trying to finish up while we're going to be all together in Las Vegas. We're gonna start recording again and try to finish it up. Hopefully, it'll be out by the summertime....

EBONY: What are your thoughts on new artists keeping that Jackson 5 sound alive?

JJ: I think it's wonderful. The music is coming back to where it was. Like Robin Thicke's hit song "Blurred Lines." That's a great song, it felt like a Marvin Gaye type of thing. It's music-- it's coming back. Like Bruno Mars, like I told you before that kinda stuff is coming back. It really is, good music is coming back.

EBONY: How was the process of working with new artists on the tour?

JJ: Working with these new artists is really easy because they admire us and what we've done in the past. They pretty much come in and let us do what we want to do and they just want to join forces with us. It turns out really wonderful.

EBONY: As a songwriter, how do you feel about the content of today's new records?

JJ: What I think as a song writer, a lot of these artists are listening to these old songs from back in the day. And they're coming up with some great hooks. They're really are today. They're bringing it back. Lyrical content is very important and also to have a great chorus or a great hook-- a great sing-a-long. My thing was having great melodies. Melodies are very important in a song. Having a great melody and a great hook. That's what I would always come up with a great melody and that's important.

EBONY: Can you speak on your label and what you're working on in terms of artist development?

JJ: It's more of a production company more or less, you know. I'm still developing some artists here and there. I have a big surprise coming really soon. It's five girls. I'm not going to elaborate on that anymore. It's five girls...they're all nationalities. It's gonna be incredible.

EBONY: I often joke that legendary musicians like you and your brothers kinda missed the social media wave. If you all had Twitter back then, how do you think that would've went down?

JJ: It would've been wonderful! If it was back in those days to have social media, man, it would've been off the hook, you know that and I know it too! [Laughs] Here's the thing, we're here today and we're involved in it right now.

EBONY: I heard you were a big sports fan once upon a time.

JJ: I used to watch Gale Sayers, the running back. He was one of my favorite players. Dick Butkus too. I've always been a Bears and a Chicago Cubs fan. All the brothers [liked them.] The whole family did.

EBONY: With the new tour, you've told us there will be a lot of behind the scenes stories. As a reader and a writer, a lot of people want to hear these stories. I've even heard urban legend that you and your brothers kept young Michael up with a lot of groupies on the road...

JJ: Michael kept us from sleeping. He was the one making all the noise. [More laughter ensues]. We had fun though, man. Its gonna be some great stories...these stories are some of the stories that have never been heard in interviews or anything. It's gonna be the first time you're hearing this stuff.
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So summer is over. What happened with the big new album?
 
They are accustomed to be told what to do, Michael was that person telling them and since he's not here to do so, they're too lazy to have initiative on their own, plus the fact they're just average individuals lacking talent.
 
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No talent, no creativity and no new music. Not surprising at all. MJ was the only genius in the family.
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Let me add to that. . .no WORK ETHIC, either! I swear, they remind me of a couple of my coworkers, along for the ride doing as little as possible. You'd think their pride/ego/self respect would kick in now that they don't have Mike to hide behind anymore, would make them want to show that they're more than just "Michael Jackson's brothers" (even if that's the truth).

My guess is they DO know they're mediocre, but are refusing to face it head on. Sad existence, really and pathetic. I just tune out their talk, their "plans", what-have-you.

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