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John Barnes was working with Michael during his stay in Bahrain but when we would ask about the music or anything, he'd steer away from the topic and say he's not ready to talk about it yet.
 
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BlackAnon said:
John Barnes was working with Michael during his stay in Bahrain but when we would ask about the music or anything, he'd steer away from the topic and say he's nohyt ready to talk about it yr net.
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Why he did not say tomboy have vocals or no .why he did not said MJ recorded alright now with vocals
 
BlackAnon said:
John Barnes was working with Michael during his stay in Bahrain but when we would ask about the music or anything, he'd steer away from the topic and say he's not ready to talk about it yet.
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Didn't we get confirmation from someone that nothing was actually done over there?
 
Sisoqqq said:
Why he did not say tomboy have vocals or no .why he did not said MJ recorded alright now with vocals
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I think it's safe to say that MJ vocals exist for these, in some capacity.

Keep in mind that collaborators are exactly that, first and foremost. Us fans want to know every nuance of these tracks. But given the passage of time and work with numerous other artists, they aren't likely to remember the exact state of a vocal. They have many other things to devote time to.
 
It seems like John simply wasn’t very involved in the Bahrain sessions beyond orchestrating “I Have This Dream.” Buxer and MDP have both shared recollections of the era, Damien Shields confirmed that at least one song (“He Who Makes the Sky Gray”) exists with MJ vocals, and other onlookers have confirmed that some sporadic recording was taking place—so, at the very least, we can be certain that MJ was doing something.
 
Buffalo Bill is great but has never been completely finished.

Production Wise, it is unfinished. Hence why it's never been "finished".

Buffalo Bill is one of the first complete songs I did for and with Michael.

Vocally finished. With lyrics and all. And MJ had a full song to present, not something that was sketched and then realized during the sessions.
 
AlwaysThere said:
It seems like John simply wasn’t very involved in the Bahrain sessions beyond orchestrating “I Have This Dream.” Buxer and MDP have both shared recollections of the era, Damien Shields confirmed that at least one song (“He Who Makes the Sky Gray”) exists with MJ vocals, and other onlookers have confirmed that some sporadic recording was taking place—so, at the very least, we can be certain that MJ was doing something.
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If that’s the case, why would John avoid answering? There was something deeper
 
Fuzball said:
I'd say it's the opposite, full vocals & not polished production. Why else was it a release candidate in March '84 - just few month before the release of Victory?
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It was probably previewed early with intentions on completing in time of the album. Michael was also allegedly shopping the tape around to various DJs during the time, although John Barnes said he doubts that.
 
BlackAnon said:
It was probably previewed early with intentions on completing in time of the album. Michael was also allegedly shopping the tape around to various DJs during the time, although John Barnes said he doubts that.
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I could see him playing records early for record execs/journalists, but I can't picture him letting a tape make the rounds for DJs, etc. Especially given his perfectionist nature. He'd probably be thinking of edits or overdubs while letting someone listen to it. lol.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
I could see him playing records early for record execs/journalists, but I can't picture him letting a tape make the rounds for DJs, etc. Especially given his perfectionist nature. He'd probably be thinking of edits or overdubs while letting someone listen to it. lol.
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That’s why I doubt it as well because I can’t see Michael shopping around unfinished music…BUT, he did do that with the promo flight tape for Dangerous so it’s not that far fetched
 
BlackAnon said:
If that’s the case, why would John avoid answering? There was something deeper
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It seems like “I Have This Dream” was a hugely controversial project—maybe it has something to do with it? Just speculating, of course. It was also a very sensitive time for MJ, being just a couple months after the trial. Maybe speaking about it was taxing for him.

Whatever the case, I’m sad we’ll never know what he wanted to eventually share with us.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
John Barnes - in my opinion - was one of the greatest figures we had in terms of detailing writing, recording, unreleased tunes, etc. He really went in depth with his answers and you could tell how deeply Michael had impacted his life.
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I agree. Nothing against Quincy but Barnes helped Michael craft his sound post-Thriller.

Messed up how Quincy pushed Barnes and his team out the picture during BAD.
 
BlackAnon said:
It was probably previewed early with intentions on completing in time of the album. Michael was also allegedly shopping the tape around to various DJs during the time, although John Barnes said he doubts that.
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Why would they not bite? Michael Jackson at the height of Thriller? No way this happened.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
I don't remember ever seeing anything other than that on his site. We know she participated in this song because she's already been asked about it by several fans.
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Was it so? I remember fans reaching out to her and asking more about the song and its compleness.

Perhaps I'm misrembering parts of it - it's been a long time since then. But I do remember for sure it was herself who revealed the song title.
 
Fuzball said:
Was it so? I remember fans reaching out to her and asking more about the song and its compleness.

Perhaps I'm misrembering parts of it - it's been a long time since then. But I do remember for sure it was herself who revealed the song title.
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Yes, that was it. I was able to speak with her. She told me she wouldn't say more because she felt she had been betrayed by MJ fans in the past. She confirmed to me that she had indeed sung with him. It was an incredible moment for her. She confirmed to me that it is also this song.
Every time I interview a former collaborator, I'm always told that it was an unforgettable moment and that MJ was an incredible person.
 
I think it's more likely than not that what MJ recorded for HWMTSG was nothing more than a simple guide vocal, MJ was at his lowest point emotionally and wasn't really interested in working on new music at that point in time just yet. The fact that he wouldn't show up to record a final vocal for I Have This Dream and didn't record anything for Light The Way makes me doubt that he'd manage to fully record a song simply like that.

I'm not saying this with certainty but if I were to guess the song is probably as complete as a song like Changes is, given how it's a song that was very much incomplete but MJ still called in other vocalists to sing on it.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I think it's more likely than not that what MJ recorded for HWMTSG was nothing more than a simple guide vocal, MJ was at his lowest point emotionally and wasn't really interested in working on new music at that point in time just yet. The fact that he wouldn't show up to record a final vocal for I Have This Dream and didn't record anything for Light The Way makes me doubt that he'd manage to fully record a song simply like that.

I'm not saying this with certainty but if I were to guess the song is probably as complete as a song like Changes is, given how it's a song that was very much incomplete but MJ still called in other vocalists to sing on it.
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In a first glance you could agree with that, but on the other hand Gloucestershire was also recorded while the Trial was ongoing if I'm not mistaken. Not that I consider it a complete song, but I think Michael was trying to get away from everything through his music. Hence those sessions are IMO one of the most significant sessions of his life.
 
NetflexKing said:
In a first glance you could agree with that, but on the other hand Gloucestershire was also recorded while the Trial was ongoing if I'm not mistaken. Not that I consider it a complete song, but I think Michael was trying to get away from everything through his music. Hence those sessions are IMO one of the most significant sessions of his life.
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Well, we actually don’t have a definitive answer yet. It’s true Gloucestershire was registered in the midst of the trial, but Damien speculated that it was recorded prior.
 
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