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When was What A Lovely Way To Go recorded for sure? If not the 80s, when? And where's the proof?
 
The MJJ Library said:
When was What A Lovely Way To Go recorded for sure? If not the 80s, when? And where's the proof?
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Details are a bit vague on this one. The Thriller 40 liner notes state it was written in the late '70s, and was then reconsidered for Thriller. Doesn't specify whether recording actually took place pre-Thriller, though.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
Details are a bit vague on this one. The Thriller 40 liner notes state it was written in the late '70s, and was then reconsidered for Thriller. Doesn't specify whether recording actually took place pre-Thriller, though.
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I don't trust anything in that booklet. When MJ's collaborators are gone and there's nobody to correct their lies we will need to be even more careful with any information they provide.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I don't trust anything in that booklet. When MJ's collaborators are gone and there's nobody to correct their lies we will need to be even more careful with any information they provide.
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That's a fair point. Just offering up what was said officially. It could very well be another "Sunset Driver"/differing eras situation.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
Details are a bit vague on this one. The Thriller 40 liner notes state it was written in the late '70s, and was then reconsidered for Thriller. Doesn't specify whether recording actually took place pre-Thriller, though.
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It very obviously wasn't re-recorded, but it never actually states that it was. "Reconsidered" is a very non committal answer in truth.

There's straight up intrigue in the Thriller era. Did Quincy know MJ wrote a version of P.Y.T? Was Beat It ready to go or made after the fact? Who came up with Behind The Mask, Mike, Quincy or both. Was For All Time an outtake? It wasn't. Why was The Toy made. I think they almost prefer muddying the waters.
 
@AlwaysThere I found my source.

TwitLonger

www.twitlonger.com www.twitlonger.com

Now keep in mind, this was simply what it states. Might not be accurate; Korgnex debunks, so consider that useful if you want.


B__Marco
Marco Balletta · @B__Marco
7th Oct 2012 from Twitlonger



Posted online on a Forum by a user :

I've been fortunate enough to hear a number of unreleased Michael Jackson songs through a number of contacts, a few of which are recording engineers who worked on a few of Michael's later releases. (The Ultimate Collection, Michael, etc.) A long time ago my contacts instructed me not to talk about every single song I've heard (they named a few specific ones they would like me to keep to myself), but some didn't matter. I've been asked to share information on the songs I've heard with you. Again, I am not going to talk about EVERY single song I've ever heard; just the ones that I think the fan community think about the most.

PLEASE NOTE that I DO NOT have any snippets/full songs in my possession. I used to be a large collector of unreleased material before everything I had leaked to the public. (I had Stay, Soldier Boy, All I Need, Burn Tonight and snippets of all the Cascio demos, as well as Slave to the Rhythm, Do You Know Where Your Children Are and snippets of the Hollywood Tonight demo.) Also, please do not ask me for any e-mail or ooVoo account names of my contacts; out of respect, loyalty and their own privacy, they've instructed me not to give out any names, and I don't plan to. If I come into contact with any other unreleased song I'll be the first to update this thread.

ALSO, there are apparently multiple versions of each song that I've heard. (There are apparently two different demo versions of Ready 2 Win and All Right.) If any song that I list below leaks, it may not be 100% accurate. As is the case with multiple mixes of normally released songs and multiple takes of demos, an alternative version may be the leak.

HOLLYWOOD TONIGHT (DEMO) - This incarnation is both better than the album version and worse. My only complaint is that I prefer the instrumentation in the album version -- much stronger, more of a club banger. Overall though, this demo blows me away. Michael sings in high falsetto during the song's bridges that were never fully recorded, right before jumping into some beatboxing parts that aren't heard in the album version/are buried in the mix. He talks to Brad Buxer -- or whatever engineer may be in the studio with him. The Throwback Mix is the closest the general public will get to the demo if it doesn't leak, both musically and vocally. (Birchey's mix is also a contender.)

I AM A LOSER - Beautiful, beautiful song. This version was recorded back in 1999 and was on a very early incarnation of the Invincible album that was originally headed by Babyface and Teddy Riley (a few months before Rodney Jerkins signed on). Michael's depressed because of his girlfriend, who left him for someone else. Lyrically similar to I'm So Blue in some respects. Built on a piano, strings, bass and a drum beat reminiscent of Stranger in Moscow.

UNKNOWN BRAD BUXER TRACK - I don't know the title of this song, but from what I've heard, I'm guessing that it is the long-time speculated Bottom of My Heart. I've only heard about 25-30 seconds of it, though. It is similar to Heal the World and Cry in terms of music; a smooth drum track that is slightly buried under the strings, pianos and guitars. Lyrically, it leans towards What More Can I Give and We Are the World. It's a down-tempo ballad about a tragedy. (If my memory serves me correctly, it was aimed towards a Hurricane Katrina disaster in 2006.) Michael even borrows a few ad-libs from What More Can I Give in the song ("Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" and "Teaching, I'm preaching my brother!"). The version I heard was taken from the ending of the song, where I assume a choir would have been inserted; however, since it's an unfinished song, it's just multi-layered vocals of Michael. "Sending love from the bottom of my heart."

UNKNOWN NEFF-U TRACK - "To have and to hold/ To love and to let go..." This is one of the more beautiful tracks Michael's made in his later years. Again, I've only heard about 25 seconds of this track, but it nearly brought a tear to my eye when I heard it. I don't know the title of this song, but according to my contact it was recorded in late 2008 with Neff-U. It's built on a piano and strings (similar to All I Need) with drums, bass and guitar coming in later. It sounds like an anti-war track, with Michael singing about parents having to let their children go off to war; I don't know if this is the base of the entire track though. It's mostly in falsetto.

UNKNOWN REDONE TRACK - This 30-second snippet of a RedOne song was played to me over a phone conversation, so I couldn't really make out everything that Michael was saying. Sounded something like, "...wasting your time with a man... let's get on the floor, babe!" He talks to RedOne, referring to him by his actual name (Nadir), saying "Nadir, turn this up a bit... little more... alright!" Michael even busts out a "hee! hee! hee!" which he hasn't done since Privacy back in 2001. I really missed hearing him do that. Musically sounds like a mix of Pokerface by Lady Gaga and the rhythm of Speed Demon.

UNKNOWN WILL.I.AM TRACK - This 20-second snippet was taken from one of the unfinished songs. (I believe it was Can You.) It's a mid-tempo track about falling in love with someone and wanting to live your life with them. He scats through part of it (pretty much the same type of scatting he does on In the Back), but the only true lyric I heard him sing was, "No matter how I try, with everything I find it's you, you on my mind all the time." Very catchy melody, soulful harmonies. Sounds like a mixture of Butterflies and a Stevie Wonder song. Built upon piano, synths and something that sounds like a synthesized flute -- interesting choice.
 
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
@AlwaysThere I found my source.

TwitLonger

www.twitlonger.com www.twitlonger.com

Now keep in mind, this was simply what it states. Might not be accurate; Korgnex debunks, so consider that useful if you want.


B__Marco
Marco Balletta · @B__Marco
7th Oct 2012 from Twitlonger



Posted online on a Forum by a user :

I've been fortunate enough to hear a number of unreleased Michael Jackson songs through a number of contacts, a few of which are recording engineers who worked on a few of Michael's later releases. (The Ultimate Collection, Michael, etc.) A long time ago my contacts instructed me not to talk about every single song I've heard (they named a few specific ones they would like me to keep to myself), but some didn't matter. I've been asked to share information on the songs I've heard with you. Again, I am not going to talk about EVERY single song I've ever heard; just the ones that I think the fan community think about the most.

PLEASE NOTE that I DO NOT have any snippets/full songs in my possession. I used to be a large collector of unreleased material before everything I had leaked to the public. (I had Stay, Soldier Boy, All I Need, Burn Tonight and snippets of all the Cascio demos, as well as Slave to the Rhythm, Do You Know Where Your Children Are and snippets of the Hollywood Tonight demo.) Also, please do not ask me for any e-mail or ooVoo account names of my contacts; out of respect, loyalty and their own privacy, they've instructed me not to give out any names, and I don't plan to. If I come into contact with any other unreleased song I'll be the first to update this thread.

ALSO, there are apparently multiple versions of each song that I've heard. (There are apparently two different demo versions of Ready 2 Win and All Right.) If any song that I list below leaks, it may not be 100% accurate. As is the case with multiple mixes of normally released songs and multiple takes of demos, an alternative version may be the leak.

HOLLYWOOD TONIGHT (DEMO) - This incarnation is both better than the album version and worse. My only complaint is that I prefer the instrumentation in the album version -- much stronger, more of a club banger. Overall though, this demo blows me away. Michael sings in high falsetto during the song's bridges that were never fully recorded, right before jumping into some beatboxing parts that aren't heard in the album version/are buried in the mix. He talks to Brad Buxer -- or whatever engineer may be in the studio with him. The Throwback Mix is the closest the general public will get to the demo if it doesn't leak, both musically and vocally. (Birchey's mix is also a contender.)

I AM A LOSER - Beautiful, beautiful song. This version was recorded back in 1999 and was on a very early incarnation of the Invincible album that was originally headed by Babyface and Teddy Riley (a few months before Rodney Jerkins signed on). Michael's depressed because of his girlfriend, who left him for someone else. Lyrically similar to I'm So Blue in some respects. Built on a piano, strings, bass and a drum beat reminiscent of Stranger in Moscow.

UNKNOWN BRAD BUXER TRACK - I don't know the title of this song, but from what I've heard, I'm guessing that it is the long-time speculated Bottom of My Heart. I've only heard about 25-30 seconds of it, though. It is similar to Heal the World and Cry in terms of music; a smooth drum track that is slightly buried under the strings, pianos and guitars. Lyrically, it leans towards What More Can I Give and We Are the World. It's a down-tempo ballad about a tragedy. (If my memory serves me correctly, it was aimed towards a Hurricane Katrina disaster in 2006.) Michael even borrows a few ad-libs from What More Can I Give in the song ("Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" and "Teaching, I'm preaching my brother!"). The version I heard was taken from the ending of the song, where I assume a choir would have been inserted; however, since it's an unfinished song, it's just multi-layered vocals of Michael. "Sending love from the bottom of my heart."

UNKNOWN NEFF-U TRACK - "To have and to hold/ To love and to let go..." This is one of the more beautiful tracks Michael's made in his later years. Again, I've only heard about 25 seconds of this track, but it nearly brought a tear to my eye when I heard it. I don't know the title of this song, but according to my contact it was recorded in late 2008 with Neff-U. It's built on a piano and strings (similar to All I Need) with drums, bass and guitar coming in later. It sounds like an anti-war track, with Michael singing about parents having to let their children go off to war; I don't know if this is the base of the entire track though. It's mostly in falsetto.

UNKNOWN REDONE TRACK - This 30-second snippet of a RedOne song was played to me over a phone conversation, so I couldn't really make out everything that Michael was saying. Sounded something like, "...wasting your time with a man... let's get on the floor, babe!" He talks to RedOne, referring to him by his actual name (Nadir), saying "Nadir, turn this up a bit... little more... alright!" Michael even busts out a "hee! hee! hee!" which he hasn't done since Privacy back in 2001. I really missed hearing him do that. Musically sounds like a mix of Pokerface by Lady Gaga and the rhythm of Speed Demon.

UNKNOWN WILL.I.AM TRACK - This 20-second snippet was taken from one of the unfinished songs. (I believe it was Can You.) It's a mid-tempo track about falling in love with someone and wanting to live your life with them. He scats through part of it (pretty much the same type of scatting he does on In the Back), but the only true lyric I heard him sing was, "No matter how I try, with everything I find it's you, you on my mind all the time." Very catchy melody, soulful harmonies. Sounds like a mixture of Butterflies and a Stevie Wonder song. Built upon piano, synths and something that sounds like a synthesized flute -- interesting choice.
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Fantastic
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
It very obviously wasn't re-recorded, but it never actually states that it was. "Reconsidered" is a very non committal answer in truth.

There's straight up intrigue in the Thriller era. Did Quincy know MJ wrote a version of P.Y.T? Was Beat It ready to go or made after the fact? Who came up with Behind The Mask, Mike, Quincy or both. Was For All Time an outtake? It wasn't. Why was The Toy made. I think they almost prefer muddying the waters.
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At least with "For All Time", it was a track that was written for "Dangerous". The only reason it made it onto "Thriller 25" is because Steve Porcaro, the man who wrote "Human Nature", also wrote it.
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
The banner of this guy's YouTube page is literally "Me when I purposefully spread misinformation"
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LMFAO. This guy is a genius, funniest thing I've seen in a while!
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
UNKNOWN WILL.I.AM TRACK - This 20-second snippet was taken from one of the unfinished songs. (I believe it was Can You.) It's a mid-tempo track about falling in love with someone and wanting to live your life with them. He scats through part of it (pretty much the same type of scatting he does on In the Back), but the only true lyric I heard him sing was, "No matter how I try, with everything I find it's you, you on my mind all the time." Very catchy melody, soulful harmonies. Sounds like a mixture of Butterflies and a Stevie Wonder song. Built upon piano, synths and something that sounds like a synthesized flute -- interesting choice.
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Does anything in this video sound like this description? Not really, but it does sound catchy.
 
Do we have information about "Why Can't You Hear Me"? It's real?, there's a writer's demo that I don't know if it's real but I like it
 
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FlyAway0086 said:
Details are a bit vague on this one. The Thriller 40 liner notes state it was written in the late '70s, and was then reconsidered for Thriller. Doesn't specify whether recording actually took place pre-Thriller, though.
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Possibly scratch recorded in the late 70s , touched up early 80s
 
threepea11 said:
A bit off topic, but why is HIStory stylized with the first 3 letters as capitals?
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The first three letters are capitalized because the album title has a double meaning. It’s supposed to represent HIS side of the story to what he endured in 1993 as well as a history of his work as a solo artist.
 
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