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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Sisoqqq said:
I found title for a song called that kind of love with Ray Ruffin


Confirmed on Michael Jackson: For The Record:
Ruffin was asked to submit songs for Michael to consider, and he in turn invited boyband A1 – with whom he had collaborated previously – to work with him. Members of A1, interviewed on the Big Breakfast TV show in the UK in February 2001, stated they had written three songs for Michael, and said they felt it was a great honour for them to do so.
If ever recorded by Michael, all three songs remain unreleased.
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New little exclusive of the day:

I was also interested in this rumor and I was able to question the singer Christian Ingebrigsten of the group A1 who would have composed for MJ in 2001.

He told me that he did write a song for MJ with the help of Ray Ruffin. But he never recorded it. The name of this song is "I Pray". It would be this other member of the group A1, Ben Adams, who also wrote a song for MJ with Ray Ruffin called "That Kind Of Lover". I haven't had a response from him yet.

I also looked for a long time for this “famous” Ray Ruffin, who is completely unknown to me. I found a person who would be "Son of Jimmy Ruffin&Nephew of David Ruffin, Temptations": https://twitter.com/RayRuffinMusic
This account is closed. I asked him on Facebook where he is under the account "Team Ray Ruffin". If anyone finds a way to contact him, please let me know. Your help would be invaluable!

See you tomorrow for “the little news of the day”! 🙃
 
Ok, so the topic is going to be different from the above, but has anyone mentioned about 'Changes' and its existence and leak in this thread? I am very curious about that song, feels like a great one. Sorry if I missed someone mentioning it.
Also, I think at least a small portion of us have scratched our heads about how much is known about each unreleased/existence unconfirmed song. Can someone please make a summary about the past 200, if not a few ten pages? This will be helpful not only for ourselves but for new people seeing this thread. We should summarize, like every 10 or so pages so that every reader gets an image of what we have uncovered, just sayin. I know that many of us have a lot of other things to do, but it will be helpful to all of the community. Please help the people that are lost about a song.
Another thing is, if anyone is interested in searching, especially confirmed pieces of lost songs, I think with enough attention, we can get the help of the LMW community too and do an upscale search of a particular song. This may be unreasonable, but could be a hypothetical plan. tbh, i dunno. I've talked about the LMW community in another thread once, and although its page about MJ lost songs might not be too reliable, the LMW community are probably pros at finding lost songs. What do you guy think about this?
Lastly, I want to state that, in my opinion, we can't simply just say that a song is the only song that's considerable for release. It's not like there's NO chance that there's another song near the same time era that's in pretty good condition that isn't found yet, right? (e.g, This song is the only song in the This Is It era that's considerable for release!)
 
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I've got to say it frustrates me when I read about songs that were "written for Michael" it's as if he didn't write almost all of his best work solely. I just wished he focused on completing more of his own ideas.

A controversial opinion of mine is Michael didn't have the best ear for "hits" that he didn't write himself. The proof of that is not only on Invincible, but also who he chose to work with Invincible era onwards.

Also in the 93 deposition when Mike talks about Hot Street, I'm sure he said "I loved that one but they didn't think it was strong enough, I thought it was wonderful" (or something like that) Not that Hot Street is a bad song at all, but it wasn't strong enough to be released
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I've got to say it frustrates me when I read about songs that were "written for Michael" it's as if he didn't write almost all of his best work solely. I just wished he focused on completing more of his own ideas.

A controversial opinion of mine is Michael didn't have the best ear for "hits" that he didn't write himself. The proof of that is not only on Invincible, but also who he chose to work with Invincible era onwards.

Also in the 93 deposition when Mike talks about Hot Street, I'm sure he said "I loved that one but they didn't think it was strong enough, I thought it was wonderful" (or something like that) Not that Hot Street is a bad song at all, but it wasn't strong enough to be released
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I kinda disagree with the "Invincible Era Onwards" argument. I believe that Buxer, M.Prince and Neff-U were some of the greatest picks to collaborate with. Yeah he also chose Will.I.Am but let's not forget that in the 90s he worked with Loren as well.
I personally think that Michael used a lot of different artistic options to have a great variety on different themes.
 
NetflexKing said:
I kinda disagree with the "Invincible Era Onwards" argument. I believe that Buxer, M.Prince and Neff-U were some of the greatest picks to collaborate with. Yeah he also chose Will.I.Am but let's not forget that in the 90s he worked with Loren as well.
I personally think that Michael used a lot of different artistic options to have a great variety on different themes.
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To be fair that's a good point mate, I had forgot about Neff U when I wrote the post if I'm honest
 
A bit off topic, but why is HIStory stylized with the first 3 letters as capitals?
 
Also does anyone know where to find high quality images of every album and single?
 
sh_dog said:
Can someone please make a summary about the past 200, if not a few ten pages? This will be helpful not only for ourselves but for new people seeing this thread. We should summarize, like every 10 or so pages so that every reader gets an image of what we have uncovered, just sayin. I know that many of us have a lot of other things to do, but it will be helpful to all of the community. Please help the people that are lost about a song.
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This is just not possible. The convos pivot at literally a moment notice, and it will always as long as there's an influx, and of course, our resident question asker.
 
I found this "enhanced" quality version of GOAL. Imo, it sounds like the best enhancement of the song we have lol
 
Lotfi11k said:
Yawdi rahom ki nsa9si ytmskhro. Wytblaw dima saktlhom Kathro fiha Kol mnsaksi ybdaw ytmskhro nta Tounsi ?
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Ti ay, ay, misalach. Houma yet9oh7bou 3alik 3ala5ater mohommch ga3dine yeffemou fik, w ente zeda kifkif rak, moch dima teffim fihom. Bech tog3odo dourou hatte il li bech takel ban

Hani ngolek sahbi, sayeb 3alik, wlla ashelll haja; 7otom fel liste mta3 ignore kif 3amelt ane 😄

Oui, tounsi, mais tawa nraj3ani anglaise

threepea11 said:
I found this "enhanced" quality version of GOAL. Imo, it sounds like the best enhancement of the song we have lol
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This one is good, but I'm pretty sure I've heard another one slightly better. Such a cool composition.
 
NetflexKing said:
I kinda disagree with the "Invincible Era Onwards" argument. I believe that Buxer, M.Prince and Neff-U were some of the greatest picks to collaborate with. Yeah he also chose Will.I.Am but let's not forget that in the 90s he worked with Loren as well.
I personally think that Michael used a lot of different artistic options to have a great variety on different themes.
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Yeah, those 2006-2008 songs seem to be the most interesting tunes we have.

There's the Bahrain stuff as well, whatever shape that's in, there's still likely to be one or two pearls.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to defend the will I am Collabs, I'm hopeful and eager to hear it. Most of y'all were wrong about GYWOOM, I'm hoping you'll be wrong again.

And the RedOne stuff sounds straight up interesting: one sounds like Speed Demon, I remember him saying. Lots of classic MJ hoo hoos and hee hees. But very modern too. So it'd be pretty interesting.
 
Speaking of Bahrain Tracks. Did anybody tried to contact the "2 Seas Records" or anyone who worked with Michael during that time? I remember there was a Trial as well for the songs, during which there were supposedly tracks that were played. Does anyone have the Court transcripts?
 
Pentum said:
Ti ay, ay, misalach. Houma yet9oh7bou 3alik 3ala5ater mohommch ga3dine yeffemou fik, w ente zeda kifkif rak, moch dima teffim fihom. Bech tog3odo dourou hatte il li bech takel ban

Hani ngolek sahbi, sayeb 3alik, wlla ashelll haja; 7otom fel liste mta3 ignore kif 3amelt ane 😄

Oui, tounsi, mais tawa nraj3ani anglaise


This one is good, but I'm pretty sure I've heard another one slightly better. Such a cool composition.
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It feels like the chorus isnt anticlimactic or adds any additional instruments like Streetwalker '88 for the most part
 
The old adage of releasing alternate versions of songs is still on the table.

They could also stand to redo most of the songs from Michael and combine them with other latter day tunes to more accurately approximate latter day MJ.

There's again, combining wayward verses to "make" songs, ala Queen's "You Don't Fool Me".

And finally, when we're truly bereft, the duets idea is still on the table. I think we're in a better place now to do it then we were even a decade ago.
 
Pentum said:
Ti ay, ay, misalach. Houma yet9oh7bou 3alik 3ala5ater mohommch ga3dine yeffemou fik, w ente zeda kifkif rak, moch dima teffim fihom. Bech tog3odo dourou hatte il li bech takel ban

Hani ngolek sahbi, sayeb 3alik, wlla ashelll haja; 7otom fel liste mta3 ignore kif 3amelt ane 😄

Oui, tounsi, mais tawa nraj3ani anglaise


This one is good, but I'm pretty sure I've heard another one slightly better. Such a cool composition.
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Goli ana ghnia changes 3it nfhm vocals t3ha kifh jay f mumbling Kima family things WLA Kima. Snippet li tlgha adez. .2 phrase hadik
 
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