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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

do you even thing we are going to get a Bad 40 and Invincible 40? (if we DO get a Invincible 40 then I will be shocked and mad because why did they not release HIStory 40, Dangerous 40. They did nothing for H25 or D25)
 
@mjfanatic777 said:
do you even thing we are going to get a Bad 40 and Invincible 40? (if we DO get a Invincible 40 then I will be shocked and mad because why did they not release HIStory 40, Dangerous 40. They did nothing for H25 or D25)
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There's a decent chance that we'll get Bad 40, just expect it to be as half-assed as T40 lol.
 
Bad 40 honestly should have not entirely finished songs for its 2nd disc as to use the others for future releases
Songs like Crack kills, Changes, What You Do to Me, Tomboy, Be Me 4 A Day, Etc
 
MJbr2 said:
People like to trash Loren tracks, but they're fine. Seven Digits seems to be the strongest of the bunch.
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Some of them are decent but they're no match for Teddy Riley's tracks. Even his best songs are only good enough for re-issue albums and not for full albums like Xscape or Michael.
 
I said it on here not that long ago but I do think the Loren tracks have their own sound that I like, and if teddy hadn't came along maybe we'd have had an album with that consistent sound. Would have been its own thing and something I'd definitely enjoy, but nowhere near as good as what Teddy ended up doing.
 
I think the Loren tracks have potential. “Serious Effect” and “Superfly Sister” anre awesome, and “She Got It” is flat out excellent. “Work That Body” is a little rote and I don’t care for the little we’ve heard of “Don’t Believe It.” I think MJ was better served with Teddy at the end of the day.
 
Teddy's work is overrated imo. Not saying he didn't shift the direction Dangerous was gonna take in 1990, but he let the triad of fillers slide when they're as abysmal as the Loren tracks people mention.
 
I really believe we could get bad 40.

With songs like
-turning me off
-Tomboy
-come together
-Be me for a day
-Crack kills
-Chicago 1945
-Dream Away
-What you do to me
-Throwing your life away
-Buffalo bill
-Eaten Alive (Solo)
-liberian girl (1983 version)
-another part of me (1984 version)
-dirty Diana (1983 version)
-We are here to change the world (1985 version in good quality)
-Al Capone (other version)

Songs that could be released
-Apocalypse boy
-Changes
-Far far away
-Make or break


Might be fake
-Are you ready
-Cheat on you
-Get into the groove
-stand tall
-The sky is the limit
 
MJbr2 said:
Teddy's work is overrated imo. Not saying he didn't shift the direction Dangerous was gonna take in 1990, but he let the triad of fillers slide when they're as abysmal as the Loren tracks people mention.
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Absolutely not. Those Teddy Riley tracks are MJs homage to James Brown and Soul and they are just excellent as a result. Not to mention how much they led to, Sonic The Hedgehog 3 for crying out loud.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think the Loren tracks have potential. “Serious Effect” and “Superfly Sister” anre awesome, and “She Got It” is flat out excellent. “Work That Body” is a little rote and I don’t care for the little we’ve heard of “Don’t Believe It.” I think MJ was better served with Teddy at the end of the day.
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To Satisfy You is also quite a smooth pretty song as well.

The Loren tracks would've been great next to Zapp and Roger stuff in the late 80s, but weren't quite progressive enough for the New Jack Swing Era.
 
PanterA90 said:
I really believe we could get bad 40.

With songs like
-turning me off
-Tomboy
-come together
-Be me for a day
-Crack kills
-Chicago 1945
-Dream Away
-What you do to me
-Throwing your life away
-Buffalo bill
-Eaten Alive (Solo)
-liberian girl (1983 version)
-another part of me (1984 version)
-dirty Diana (1983 version)
-We are here to change the world (1985 version in good quality)
-Al Capone (other version)

Songs that could be released
-Apocalypse boy
-Changes
-Far far away
-Make or break


Might be fake
-Are you ready
-Cheat on you
-Get into the groove
-stand tall
-The sky is the limit
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Isn't that Bad?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
To Satisfy You is also quite a smooth pretty song as well.

The Loren tracks would've been great next to Zapp and Roger stuff in the late 80s, but weren't quite progressive enough for the New Jack Swing Era.
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Does a solo version exist or it's just background vocals?
 
PanterA90 said:
I really believe we could get bad 40.

With songs like
-turning me off
-Tomboy
-come together
-Be me for a day
-Crack kills
-Chicago 1945
-Dream Away
-What you do to me
-Throwing your life away
-Buffalo bill
-Eaten Alive (Solo)
-liberian girl (1983 version)
-another part of me (1984 version)
-dirty Diana (1983 version)
-We are here to change the world (1985 version in good quality)
-Al Capone (other version)

Songs that could be released
-Apocalypse boy
-Changes
-Far far away
-Make or break


Might be fake
-Are you ready
-Cheat on you
-Get into the groove
-stand tall
-The sky is the limit
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Are You Ready and Cheat On You are definitely unfounded rumor. The latter grew out of speculation that Mase's identically-named track was recorded by MJ, but when I looked up its lyrics, I saw that it sampled "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough," so the MJ version of Cheat On You doesn't exist.

EDIT: Stand Tall does exist, but it was recorded by a session singer rather than MJ himself. It also comes from the Thriller era, not the Bad era.
 
PanterA90 said:
I really believe we could get bad 40.

With songs like
-turning me off
-Tomboy
-come together
-Be me for a day
-Crack kills
-Chicago 1945
-Dream Away
-What you do to me
-Throwing your life away
-Buffalo bill
-Eaten Alive (Solo)
-liberian girl (1983 version)
-another part of me (1984 version)
-dirty Diana (1983 version)
-We are here to change the world (1985 version in good quality)
-Al Capone (other version)

Songs that could be released
-Apocalypse boy
-Changes
-Far far away
-Make or break


Might be fake
-Are you ready
-Cheat on you
-Get into the groove
-stand tall
-The sky is the limit
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This feels like way too many good songs to leave on a disc 2. These few alone

Tomboy
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Throwing Your Life Away
Buffalo Bill

Would easily have made the top 10 if they had been released in MJs career. They're worth sharing with more than the hardcore fans.

The rest would be good demoes though.
 
femi said:
Does a solo version exist or it's just background vocals?
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SeriousFX said:
Background vocals, just like "Fever," "Deep In The Night," and "All The Truth You Need."
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Yeah, what he said. But it turned out to be a nice song anyway. Just not for dangerous.

MJ literally just stopped liking ballads for his album. It's good that most of them (Alright Now, To Satisfy You, Someone Put Your Hand Out, Why) still ended up making it out anyway.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah, what he said. But it turned out to be a nice song anyway. Just not for dangerous.

MJ literally just stopped liking ballads for his album. It's good that most of them (Alright Now, To Satisfy You, Someone Put Your Hand Out, Why) still ended up making it out anyway.
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At least up until Invincible when he decided all he cared about was the ballads lol.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah, what he said. But it turned out to be a nice song anyway. Just not for dangerous.

MJ literally just stopped liking ballads for his album. It's good that most of them (Alright Now, To Satisfy You, Someone Put Your Hand Out, Why) still ended up making it out anyway.
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I think MJ decided to go with the "one ballad per album" route because Thriller was so successful with that formula (The Lady In My Life for Thriller and IJCSLY for Bad), hence why only Gone Too Soon appeared on the album.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
At least up until Invincible when he decided all he cared about was the ballads lol.
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I was about to mention how symbolic his first and last albums were with having more than one ballad. Off the Wall had She's Out Of My Life and I Can't Help It, and Invincible had Break Of Dawn, Speechless, Don't Walk Away, and The Lost Children.
 
SeriousFX said:
I think MJ decided to go with the "one ballad per album" route because Thriller was so successful with that formula (The Lady In My Life for Thriller and IJCSLY for Bad), hence why only Gone Too Soon (HTW is more of an anthem and WYBT is a gospel song) appeared on the album.
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Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense or was bad, even. It just is a pattern. He also liked harder angular music.

HIStory had a lot of ballads, they just weren't soft and romantic. They were forlorn, tragic, isolationist. Even You Are Not Alone sounds distant, and that song was basically made for Lisa Marie. Kinda ironic. I wonder what Rich Girl sounds like. Anyway.

Smile was the happiest song on the record and that's more of an affirmation.

The loving and romantic angle to MJs music didn't fully return until Invincible, a pretty nice and constant theme throughout the album, even in some of its lesser moments. It also was connected to parental love, which was also obvious in the tracks chosen.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
This feels like way too many good songs to leave on a disc 2. These few alone

Tomboy
Chicago 1945
Dream Away
Throwing Your Life Away
Buffalo Bill

Would easily have made the top 10 if they had been released in MJs career. They're worth sharing with more than the hardcore fans.

The rest would be good demoes though.
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Turning me off too, I think if it almost make the cut to Xscape and bad 25 it might be a good song
 
SeriousFX said:
I was about to mention how symbolic his first and last albums were with having more than one ballad. Off the Wall had She's Out Of My Life and I Can't Help It, and Invincible had Break Of Dawn, Speechless, Don't Walk Away, and The Lost Children.
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Well, before Off The Wall, all the records he had to his name were ballads. He cut his chops on ballad singing. I think he just got tired of it too, love songs that he didn't even connect to. That's all throughout his childhood. In adulthood, he wrote and sang complicated heartbreak songs. Push Me Away. That's What You Get (For Being Polite). It's The Falling in Love. Someone Put Your Hand Out. Lots of those complicated songs. The Lady in my Life, along with PYT and Baby Be Mine, were definitely made by a different man. On the same record as Billie Jean no less. SPYHO made in the same era as the record about a girl who's so Dangerous.

When MJ sang uncomplicated true love songs. Well those were interesting too. Of course he would still make some. I Never Heard, Love Never Felt So Good. I Just Can't stop loving You. Beautiful Girl, The Way You Love Me. A lot of those felt like odes to the time when love songs were breezy and carefree and easygoing. 50s doowop, jazzy breezy piano jaunts. Theatrical ballad pop. Really interesting to examine it actually.
 
PanterA90 said:
Turning me off too, I think if it almost make the cut to Xscape and bad 25 it might be a good song
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Yeah, anything with a full vocal take, multiple takes, I say "contemporize" it. Probably already was by Bruno Mars producer Brody Brown. Just with a more deft hand.
 
SeriousFX said:
I think MJ decided to go with the "one ballad per album" route because Thriller was so successful with that formula (The Lady In My Life for Thriller and IJCSLY for Bad), hence why only Gone Too Soon appeared on the album.
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Thriller–Dangerous all have two ballads each.

Thriller: Human Nature and The Lady in My Life.
Bad: Liberian Girl and I Just Can’t Stop Loving You.
Dangerous: Heal the World and Gone Too Soon.
 
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