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I personally had to take a break from the "social" world because everything has been so twisted around.


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You guys only hear 1/100 of the stuff that goes on around here.


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Now I read comments like crazy Katherine or Greedy Katherine. or $$$$ Katherine. It is so disappointing.


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My uncle thought of my Grandma as perfection. He admired her so much. And she loved him unconditionally.


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Maybe I shouldn't use the word "true" fans or "real" fans, I apologize. It just makes me so upset to know what my Grandma goes through


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My uncle LOVED his fans and you guys gave him strength


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A fan can disagree and not like something, but being hateful is not a fan of MJ. It goes against everything he stood for.


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I learned the concept of fans from my uncle. Sorry, you cannot call yourself a fan & attack MJ's mother or kids. That is not a fan.

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I've said it before & I will say it again. "True" MJ fans are the strongest, most loyal, & best in the world. Look at all you had to endure.





 
I know it is sad to hear hurtful things about one's grandmother and I am sorry for that.

Next time tweet to him that fans do not attack Michael kids. They are attacking the behaviors that exploit his kids, period. Get it straight Taj. Ask him why does he think fans call Katherine greedy. If he does not know, he needs to look at the issues relating to the heal the world foundation, the issues relating to the tribute, the belt fiasco, the TV shows with Oprah, grandma's statements that she is not getting money from the estate, and all the other schemes to generate money by using Michael's kids and Michael's name. Inform him about the contracts that include the children as leverage, and ask him who signed those contracts--It was not fans. After all that he will get a sense of the meaning of "greedy."

About Michael and his love for his mother. He should love her. That shows he was a good son. He never talked bad about her, but he knew her habits. That is why he left money to take care of her, but did not leave her or his siblings in charge of his estate. Compare Michael's behavior to his mom who went on TV saying his children were better off under her care, criticized his appearance, labeled him as an addict of surgery. Every time she has a project that involves Michael she does it for money. I thought her love of him was unconditional, Taj.

Taj says what fans are doing goes against everything Michael stood for. I say what Katherine is doing goes against everything Michael stood for. For example, did Michael want his children to be used for money? Did Michael want his children's childhood years to be free from constant appearances at media events?

And what did Michael stand for Taj? Let's look at some of them: He stood for justice. Are you and family members taking all your TV moments to speak on justice for Michael in terms of the allegations and Murray? Oh no!!! Family members are busy suing AEG, calling Michael a drug addict, and saying Murray is a fall guy. Michael also stood for helping those less fortunate, especially the children. Have Katherine carried on with this to make him proud, Taj. Oh no!!! Rather, we see a fake heal the world foundation where most of the money is used to buy up domains. Then we have a tribute where charity comes from separate donations, not from ticket sales, and no one knows what percent will go to charity. Is this what Michael stands for in Katherine's eyes.

I think that Taj really does not understand what Michael was about and who he really is. If Michael taught him about fans, he should spend more time cultivating his fan base, and let us continue to fight for Michael and for justice for Michael.

He writes "look at all you have had to endure." He is right and half of what we have to endure after 09 comes from the pain caused by the actions of some family members, including Katherine. Taj really does not know what Katherine is doing, so he should clean his house before trying to reprimand the fan base. And yes, we are all true fans, taj, because no other fans would put up will all the trouble from his side.

This thread should be moved. Does it really belong here?
 
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Michael loved his mother unconditionally, but nobody can tell me he didn't love his children more. And I know for a fact he would hate to see his children pimped out for Joe's money-making schemes with Katherine's blessing. Why doesn't Taj address that?
 
People... maybe this thread should be moved to the segment 2300 Jackson Street? Just saying... :fear:


Well.... I will not say anything about these tweets. :puke: I'm really tired of this family. :( *big sigh*
 
First, sorry, I didn't know where to put this thread.

Second, I actually agree with Taj. Unlike 99% of fans, he actually knew Michael, and based on the things he has said about Michael and otherwise, I trust his love. He made a good point: "A fan can disagree and not like something, but being hateful is not a fan of MJ. It goes against everything he stood for."

I'm not saying you or anyone in particular is being hateful. But to say that you don't think Taj really understands Michael or what he was about is ridiculous. As much as we may know about Michael, the Estate, his family, etc, we still did not spend hours, days, years with the man. I feel like we need to show more respect for these people.

I noticed something interesting the other day when I was reading "Dancing the Dream" again. Michael wrote to "Deepak" on one of the first few pages. I do not like Deepak at all for all the things he has said about Michael with his better-than-thou attitude, but at one point in life, Michael believed in him. Dedicated one of my favorite books to him. These people surrounded Michael and continue to surround this family like vultures. To expect the family to be as GOOD as Michael is unfair. Nobody will ever be like Michael. But even Michael made the mistake of trusting the wrong people. The Jackson family has made MANY decisions that I disliked. I.e. the A&E show, Oprah interviews as you mentioned, Joe Jackson hyping his own business while we were mourning, etc. However, these decisions that the family make (and will continue to make) don't make me doubt their love for Michael. Especially Katherine's.
 
I think everyone thought that Katherine would quietly raise Michael's children the way he probably would have liked instead of binding them to contracts to make appearances etc. We probably don't know half the stuff but actions speak louder than words. Maybe if his family wasn't on tv promoting something at Michael's expense and his kids every 5 minutes than fans would not be so annoyed right now. I understand it's his grandma.
 
Then, taj, please...encourage her to step out of the spotlight! She's fostering the negative opinions. We might only know 1/100 of the things that are going on behind the scenes, but whenever your grandmother comes to the forefront now, it is to hawk something directly to MJ fans! You don't want her referred to negatively, and we don't want to be used. And that's what it feels like. Like we're just one big dollar sign. We expect it from others, but coming from MJ's mother, hurts us as much as it hurts you to hear her being called greedy.
 
I think dismissing fans who have legitimate concerns about things the Jacksons do in Michael's name and also with fan money as not being "real fans" is just a bad move, it seems to say that he doesn't care about what is going on. Does he want us to start saying a "real family" wouldn't behave in certain ways? Maybe fans are angry because we rightfully realize that none of them listen to us about our original concerns and then we eventually have to deal with Heal The World situations or Gene Simmon's or all the drug abuse crap that they put out and backfires against them, when we were pointing out from the start the concerns we had. If they want our money they will have to deal with our feedback.

It's sad that my main thought was: he's participating in this "tribute" so of course he's on twitter. If this were about any other issue concerning Mike he'd be gone like he normally is.
 
I believe most of the fans don't doubt Katherine loves her son dearly and don't doubt MJ loved his mom. Most of the fans also don't doubt the love between PPB and Katherine. The problem is all the actions from the Jackson family through the past 2 years. Taj said we don't know 100%. True. But we also don't judge just base on what the tabloid said. We judge base on all the interview they gave and all the legal document that has been filed from them or the estate. Most of the fans had lots of respect to J family in the past, especially Katherine. However, they lose all these respects day by day with all their money grabbing, exploiting PPB's actions. Taj should really go read some fan forum then accusing people not being "True" fans. twitter has words limit and is easy to be mis understood. Fans are not outrage suddenly without any reasons. We don't have the responsibilities to do whatever they like or support whatever they do because their last name is Jackson. Respect are earned.
 
I think everyone thought that Katherine would quietly raise Michael's children the way he probably would have liked instead of binding them to contracts to make appearances etc. We probably don't know half the stuff but actions speak louder than words. Maybe if his family wasn't on tv promoting something at Michael's expense and his kids every 5 minutes than fans would not be so annoyed right now. I understand it's his grandma.

I agree with you. Fans have expectations and there are even groups within fans that have differing opinions on how to raise the children or address the numerous issues that have come up in the last two years.

But, we don't see the hugs Katherine gives those children. We don't hear the great stories about their father that she tells them. We don't see her wipe away their tears. We don't hear her tell them right from wrong. We don't see the crux of what LOVE really is. All we see is what we were meant to see, which isn't very much at all.

What goes on in that house with those three children is what I care about. When I see Paris tweet about having fun in Indiana and missing her cousins, that tells me she is being raised with love and family. That is what truly matters. It's what would make Michael the happiest. That is why I do not question Katherine's love.
 
ok we have now all been scolded by taj...smdh. What this family wants is for all us "fans" to sit down in a corner and shut our mouths they want to be allowed to do what it is they want to do to Michael' legacy...and his children..even if that means using them to make money. We are Michael Jackson fans..we DONT owe the entire Jackson family squat. If not for us "real fans" Michael's children would of been involved in ALOT more bullshit than they all ready have been. (the belt signing inssodent) This family wants to be allowed to us Michael to make money...are they that dumb..they man is dead,...LEAVE HIM ALONE. Taj NEVER came out and said ANYTHING about Michael's "true fans" when he was alive..Michael NEVER would of stood for it.. Taj says that calling Katherine "greedy" in unMichael like. Please I bet taj a million dollars that Katherine NEVER showed Michael the GREEDY side of her....she saved that for after he passed.,,,and WE the "true fans" got to witness it. Shame on taj...shame on Katherine...shame on the whole damn Jackson bunch. Taj....please note....we are NOT Jackson family fans.....we are MICHAEL JACKSON FANS. WE OWE THE JACKSONS NOTHING...we dont owe you ANY loyalty. That is for Michael and that is where it is going to stay.
 
I agree with you. Fans have expectations and there are even groups within fans that have differing opinions on how to raise the children or address the numerous issues that have come up in the last two years.

But, we don't see the hugs Katherine gives those children. We don't hear the great stories about their father that she tells them. We don't see her wipe away their tears. We don't hear her tell them right from wrong. We don't see the crux of what LOVE really is. All we see is what we were meant to see, which isn't very much at all.

What goes on in that house with those three children is what I care about. When I see Paris tweet about having fun in Indiana and missing her cousins, that tells me she is being raised with love and family. That is what truly matters. It's what would make Michael the happiest. That is why I do not question Katherine's love.

I agree too. I thought it was nice they went to Gary to see where Michael grew up. But then you see Paris holding a perfume bottle of Joe's and taking a picture promoting it. i don't think Michael would be happy with that. It should have been about them and celebrating their father's birthday festival. It's like something is taken away from it. I know Katherine loves Michael. I can see it on her face when she talks about him. She doesn't need to do business deals when her and the kids are well taken care of by his estate. I feel like she is doing more than she can handle. I think Michael wouldn't want that. He took care of that for her.
 
But to say that you don't think Taj really understands Michael or what he was about is ridiculous. .
It is not ridiculous. You base this on the fact that Taj spend time with him and was around him. You can have a child or a mother, live with them, and still do not fully understand what they are about. Humans are more complex than what you imply in your post. Taj, like many other people who hung around Michael, do not understand the inner Michael, his spirit, and what he was about. It does not mean that I know all these things about Michael, but these people do not either. This simplistic view of Micheal of this boy-man, dancing around, and all goody goody does not give justice to the complexity of his personality, mind, and talents. If we want to understand Michael we need to talk to people like Elizabeth. These are the people who he had in-depth conversations with when he was relaxed and himself. These are the people he poured out his spirit to. Not is little nephew Taj. I am sorry to disagree with you, but Taj really needs to understand more what Michael was about and what Katherine is doing.

Taj and your statements imply that if you love Michael you would not hate. Fans are not hating, they are exposing verbally and in writing what certain family members are doing and the effect it has on them, Michael's name and legacy, and his children. Michael made a choice to turn his cheek sometimes, but he still used harsh words in referring to his critics and some family members. Do you call that hating. The word "hate" is thrown around here and people really do not have a true grasp of its meaning. We need to look at that word more carefully.
 
I think he wants all the fans there for the tribute crap.... Maybe he said these things because many fans are against? :fear:

Yeh that probably most likely what he is doing
 
It is not ridiculous. You base this on the fact that Taj spend time with him and was around him. You can have a child or a mother, live with them, and still do not fully understand what they are about. Humans are more complex than what you imply in your post. Taj, like many other people who hung around Michael, do not understand the inner Michael, his spirit, and what he was about. It does not mean that I know all these things about Michael, but these people do not either. This simplistic view of Micheal of this boy-man, dancing around, and all goody goody does not give justice to the complexity of his personality, mind, and talents. If we want to understand Michael we need to talk to people like Elizabeth. These are the people who he had in-depth conversations with when he was relaxed and himself. These are the people he poured out his spirit to. Not is little nephew Taj. I am sorry to disagree with you, but Taj really needs to understand more what Michael was about and what Katherine is doing.

Taj and your statements imply that if you love Michael you would not hate. Fans are not hating, they are exposing verbally and in writing what certain family members are doing and the effect it has on them, Michael's name and legacy, and his children. Michael made a choice to turn his cheek sometimes, but he still used harsh words in referring to his critics and some family members. Do you call that hating. The word "hate" is thrown around here and people really do not have a true grasp of its meaning. We need to look at that word more carefully.

I agree: every being is a complexity that we know on different levels. Some are allowed into the inner sanctums, while others can only look from the outside. Personally, I feel that I know Michael like he was my best friend. Like a mentor who was always there to show me how to be a good person. I feel like I knew his heart. The closest I ever got to him physically, though, was 3 feet and that was for just a few seconds. And as much as I feel a connection to Michael as a being, I know that his family got to experience it on a daily basis. That is a whole other level. A level few ever experienced. The majority here may dislike Jermaine, but I always remember when he called Michael "Saint Michael." That was so sweet and was one of many examples that showed me that the family thought Michael was special on a human being level - not just as a superstar performer/breadwinner. I believe that there is a deep LOVE that they all have for Michael. That part to me is unquestionable.

I feel that we can disagree with family decisions, but we shouldn't judge their love.
 
I think he wants all the fans there for the tribute crap.... Maybe he said these things because many fans are against? :fear:

Good one, I did not even think of that. How come he is coming out now about fans. We made a fuss of Katherine's action when she went on Oprah and he did not scold us. Now that we are not buying tickets for the concert and he sees his pay flying away with wings, he decides we are the reason and now goes on a rant. As I said he needs to clean his house first. If he cannot control the behavior of Katherine, and others in the family, how can he control the fans' behaviors.

Another thing, these issues above about we do not see when Katherine is wiping the kids' eyes at home, etc. We do not need to see that. We know Katherine loves all her children and grandchildren. We know she loves Michael. That does not mean she will not do things that will not be in their best interest. We cannot confuse those 2 things. She is supposed to love them and take care of their needs, so there is nothing remarkable in that.

It seems the main issue from Taj is that he does not like what we say about Katherine, and we are acting in a hateful way and Michael would not like it. Then, let him talk to Katherine and see how her money behaviors could be tempered.
 
I am so tired of all the Jacksons BS...its like they live in a bubble and can't grasp what's going on in reality. They believe they are always right and a the victims of the fans hate and that because they are the JACKSONS they can do and say whatever and we should all just kneel before them and bow.

Well, this is your wake up call, Jacksons.
 
someone is blaming MJJC ??????

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Thanks :)@galadrielle777: @tajjackson3 it sucks that you have to deal with crap like this from 'fans' of Michael. Have a nice day Taj :)

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@tajjackson3 It's not just the media Love some fans do that in the name of MJJ Community speaking out of turn ~ Sad really

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It makes "real" fans look bad. Because the media lumps everyone in together.

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I can only speak for myself, but I don't think the fans woke up one morning and just decided to be mad at Michael's mother.
I've slowly, slowly watched this fan community get more and more disappointed with Katherine. It's not something that happened overnight. It's not like we want to feel disappointed with her, but it is what it is. That's just how we feel.

In the beginning, most were willing to be sympathetic and give her the benefit of the doubt. When she formed a business partnership with Howard Mann. we were a little alarmed, but didn't think much of it. We were still in the mindset of her being a vulnerable grieving mother and this sneaky business man was having fun taking advantage of her. Then the Mann contracts leaked, and we cut her some more slack. It would have been hard for her to understand, it's worded strangely, she's an old lady and she's not going to understand most of what she signed. Plus the part about the kids being binded to Mann "for life" wasn't even legal, so we were angry, but it not like they could enforce the contract on the children.

While many were getting impatient with her most were still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. When she did the Oprah interview and included Michael's children, many felt more anger towards her but it was believed that the kids wanted to do it, and maybe they begged her or something, and she was an old lady, and she couldn't tell a 13 year old what to do and what not to do and so on and so forth. When the interview aired which showed the children lacking enthusiasm about the interview and Blanket look so uncomfortable, and Prince trying to leave the table half way though, there was more anger directed at her. Add that to all the things she said in the interview, not really "defending Michael" as Taj said she would, and the fans weren't too happy. Let's not even get into the fact that the interview was with Oprah, which caused even more outrage than the interview itself. More people may have felt anger towards Katherine for it, but many said let bygones be bygones and nothing could be done about it now so just overlook it.

Early the following year, Michael's estate was in the middle of a litigation against a fraudulent charity, who were using Michael's logos and name for profit. Katherine and Howard Mann went ahead, got involved and began to support said charity. She put Michael's children on the youth ambassadors' board, and she granted yet another interview involving Michael's children--this time with them wearing t-shirts promoting the fraudulent foundation. Many fans thought this was the last straw and they could no longer tolerated it, and began speaking very harshly about Michael's mother, but many were also willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, yet again. I got blasted for criticizing Michael's mother for the whole htwf thing because Michael loved his mother (and I have no doubt he did) and she is therefore above criticism. Regardless of her actions, many were still able to give her the benefit of the doubt, and, if not that, at least close their eyes to it and ignore it somewhat because Michael loved her and it would hurt him to see us being critical of her.

The final straw for most was this "Forever Michael" tribute show. Having Michael's children be required to attend as per the "terms and conditions." Getting KISS involved and saying that Michael would be happy about it, regardless of the fans complaints. Continuing to support the tribute, even though the organizers have disrespected the fans, deleted their concerns from facebook, lied about it, lied to her about the "international galaxy of stars", lied to her about it being the "greatest show" in history, and essentially not giving a damn about what's done in Michael's name, and leaving the fans to pretty much clean up all the mess that they have started. We should be spending this time getting ready for Murray's trial, not sitting here worrying about this "tribute" and the impact it will have on Michael's legacy if it goes forward.

There's only so much we can tolerate. We've given Katherine and the whole family more than enough rope. I just feel like my patience is wearing thin. When they start making the children promote their scents, fake charities and fashion lines, it just creates more and more resentment. There were times that Michael could have exploited his children and used them for his own gain. I'm sure that a five minute interview with the children explaining what a great dad he was would have been great for his public image. Michael was called an awful father who abused children, so why not? He needed the image boost. For all we know, they may have been begging him to do it. There could have been times when the children heard something bad about their dad and wanted to come out publicly and defend him. Even if that was true, Michael still didn't allow it because Michael did what he was supposed to do as a father. Michael protected those children. He didn't make them do anything unless it was with their best interests in mind.

What has Katherine done that has been in their best interests? The children do an interview to be used as a tool bring in extra viewers, and, in turn, increase publicity for Katherine's book. They wear Heal the world t-shirts, their generosity being used to secure trademarks for a fake charity to exploit their father and be put up against their own father's estate. How is three minors being included in contracts in their best interests? How is attempting to bind three minors to a porn producer for life in their best interests?

Maybe we should ask Taj whether taking Michael's children (or any child for that matter), and just using them as leverage to secure opportunities for yourself is something that wouldn't go against everything he stood for. We must have missed the memo, because, as far as we could see, he made himself pretty clear about how he felt about children being exploited and growing up in a fish bowl. He also made it pretty clear that he didn't want that life for his children, so...
 
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To be quite frank, fuck Taj!! To try and lecture US on MJ, when the Jackson family barely saw MJ for years is laughable...blood doesn't negate "knowing", so some fans need to sit down with that BS. If they KNEW MJ, their RELATIVE at ALL, that Gene Simmons crap wouldn't have happened, they would have known that PPB had FRIENDS when MJ was alive, and NO, they weren't hostages in Neverland, Ireland, Bahrain, and so on. So, before they try and lecture someone else, they need to sweep their own front door first, as they left MJ out in the cold, when it didn't benefit them. Fans do more championing and defending of MJ than the JACKSON'S do, so miss me with that crap. I ain't kissing their asses, no bueno.

Furthermore, I can't take anyone serious, that tries to dismiss and claim Katherine is doing a great job with these kids. If by great, you mean pimping one set of your grandchildren out for money to support the rest of the tribe, then I guess that definition of "great" isn't in my dictionary. Also, those kids were taken to Gary, NOT to celebrate their father, but to promote Vintage Pop, and Joe Jackson's perfume, etc. I saw the video of these kids in Gary, and it was obvious, they didn't want to be interviewed, matter of fact, ALL of them had that "dear in the headlights" look, but I guess these kids emotional, and psychological well-being is second to MONEY. Pathetic.

Novel Idea: How about his MOTHER respect the last wishes of her son for HIS children not to be exploited. Cry me a fucking river.
 
My uncle thought of my Grandma as perfection. He admired her so much. And she loved him unconditionally.

This should NOT justify KJ behavior. She's been dishonoring MJ from the start, including exploiting his kids for $$$.
This guy couldn't be more annoying.
 
I know it is sad to hear hurtful things about one's grandmother and I am sorry for that.

Next time tweet to him that fans do not attack Michael kids. They are attacking the behaviors that exploit his kids, period. Get it straight Taj. Ask him why does he think fans call Katherine greedy. If he does not know, he needs to look at the issues relating to the heal the world foundation, the issues relating to the tribute, the belt fiasco, the TV shows with Oprah, grandma's statements that she is not getting money from the estate, and all the other schemes to generate money by using Michael's kids and Michael's name. Inform him about the contracts that include the children as leverage, and ask him who signed those contracts--It was not fans. After all that he will get a sense of the meaning of "greedy."

About Michael and his love for his mother. He should love her. That shows he was a good son. He never talked bad about her, but he knew her habits. That is why he left money to take care of her, but did not leave her or his siblings in charge of his estate. Compare Michael's behavior to his mom who went on TV saying his children were better off under her care, criticized his appearance, labeled him as an addict of surgery. Every time she has a project that involves Michael she does it for money. I thought her love of him was unconditional, Taj.

Taj says what fans are doing goes against everything Michael stood for. I say what Katherine is doing goes against everything Michael stood for. For example, did Michael want his children to be used for money? Did Michael want his children's childhood years to be free from constant appearances at media events?

And what did Michael stand for Taj? Let's look at some of them: He stood for justice. Are you and family members taking all your TV moments to speak on justice for Michael in terms of the allegations and Murray? Oh no!!! Family members are busy suing AEG, calling Michael a drug addict, and saying Murray is a fall guy. Michael also stood for helping those less fortunate, especially the children. Have Katherine carried on with this to make him proud, Taj. Oh no!!! Rather, we see a fake heal the world foundation where most of the money is used to buy up domains. Then we have a tribute where charity comes from separate donations, not from ticket sales, and no one knows what percent will go to charity. Is this what Michael stands for in Katherine's eyes.

I think that Taj really does not understand what Michael was about and who he really is. If Michael taught him about fans, he should spend more time cultivating his fan base, and let us continue to fight for Michael and for justice for Michael.

He writes "look at all you have had to endure." He is right and half of what we have to endure after 09 comes from the pain caused by the actions of some family members, including Katherine. Taj really does not know what Katherine is doing, so he should clean his house before trying to reprimand the fan base. And yes, we are all true fans, taj, because no other fans would put up will all the trouble from his side.

This thread should be moved. Does it really belong here?

This deserves a STANDING OVATION
 
I'm not saying you or anyone in particular is being hateful. But to say that you don't think Taj really understands Michael or what he was about is ridiculous. As much as we may know about Michael, the Estate, his family, etc, we still did not spend hours, days, years with the man. I feel like we need to show more respect for these people.

In the end, people are judged by their actions. and so far his actions and his family's are NOT consistent with your suggestion. There is a huge disconnect. Being related to someone does NOT mean that you know and understand him/her. The Jacksons are proving this every day.
 
I agree with you. Fans have expectations and there are even groups within fans that have differing opinions on how to raise the children or address the numerous issues that have come up in the last two years.

But, we don't see the hugs Katherine gives those children. We don't hear the great stories about their father that she tells them. We don't see her wipe away their tears. We don't hear her tell them right from wrong. We don't see the crux of what LOVE really is. All we see is what we were meant to see, which isn't very much at all.

What goes on in that house with those three children is what I care about. When I see Paris tweet about having fun in Indiana and missing her cousins, that tells me she is being raised with love and family. That is what truly matters. It's what would make Michael the happiest. That is why I do not question Katherine's love.

KJ can love the kids all she wants. no offence but pimping out the kids for $$$ is dead wrong. There's NO justification for that.
 
I can only speak for myself, but I don't think the fans woke up one morning and just decided to be mad at Michael's mother.
I've slowly, slowly watched this fan community get more and more disappointed with Katherine. It's not something that happened overnight. It's not like we want to feel disappointed with her, but it is what it is. That's just how we feel.

In the beginning, most were willing to be sympathetic and give her the benefit of the doubt. When she formed a business partnership with Howard Mann. we were a little alarmed, but didn't think much of it. We were still in the mindset of her being a vulnerable grieving mother and this sneaky business man was having fun taking advantage of her. Then the Mann contracts leaked, and we cut her some more slack. It would have been hard for her to understand, it's worded strangely, she's an old lady and she's not going to understand most of what she signed. Plus the part about the kids being binded to Mann "for life" wasn't even legal, so we were angry, but it not like they could enforce the contract on the children.

While many were getting impatient with her most were still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. When she did the Oprah interview and included Michael's children, many felt more anger towards her but it was believed that the kids wanted to do it, and maybe they begged her or something, and she was an old lady, and she couldn't tell a 13 year old what to do and what not to do and so on and so forth. When the interview aired which showed the children lacking enthusiasm about the interview and Blanket look so uncomfortable, and Prince trying to leave the table half way though, there was more anger directed at her. Add that to all the things she said in the interview, not really "defending Michael" as Taj said she would, and the fans weren't too happy. Let's not even get into the fact that the interview was with Oprah, which caused even more outrage than the interview itself. More people may have felt anger towards Katherine for it, but many said let bygones be bygones and nothing could be done about it now so just overlook it.

Early the following year, Michael's estate was in the middle of a litigation against a fraudulent charity, who were using Michael's logos and name for profit. Katherine and Howard Mann went ahead, got involved and began to support said charity. She put Michael's children on the youth ambassadors' board, and she granted yet another interview involving Michael's children--this time with them wearing t-shirts promoting the fraudulent foundation. Many fans thought this was the last straw and they could no longer tolerated it, and began speaking very harshly about Michael's mother, but many were also willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, yet again. I got blasted for criticizing Michael's mother for the whole htwf thing because Michael loved his mother (and I have no doubt he did) and she is therefore above criticism. Regardless of her actions, many were still able to give her the benefit of the doubt, and, if not that, at least close their eyes to it and ignore it somewhat because Michael loved her and it would hurt him to see us being critical of her.

The final straw for most was this "Forever Michael" tribute show. Having Michael's children be required to attend as per the "terms and conditions." Getting KISS involved and saying that Michael would be happy about it, regardless of the fans complaints. Continuing to support the tribute, even though the organizers have disrespected the fans, deleted their concerns from facebook, lied about it, lied to her about the "international galaxy of stars", lied to her about it being the "greatest show" in history, and essentially not giving a damn about what's done in Michael's name, and leaving the fans to pretty much clean up all the mess that they have started. We should be spending this time getting ready for Murray's trial, not sitting here worrying about this "tribute" and the impact it will have on Michael's legacy if it goes forward.

There's only so much we can tolerate. We've given Katherine and the whole family more than enough rope. I just feel like my patience is wearing thin. When they start making the children promote their scents, fake charities and fashion lines, it just creates more and more resentment. There were times that Michael could have exploited his children and used them for his own gain. I'm sure that a five minute interview with the children explaining what a great dad he was would have been great for his public image. Michael was called an awful father who abused children, so why not? He needed the image boost. For all we know, they may have been begging him to do it. There could have been times when the children heard something bad about their dad and wanted to come out publicly and defend him. Even if that was true, Michael still didn't allow it because Michael did what he was supposed to do as a father. Michael protected those children. He didn't make them do anything unless it was with their best interests in mind.

What has Katherine done that has been in their best interests? The children do an interview to be used as a tool bring in extra viewers, and, in turn, increase publicity for Katherine's book. They wear Heal the world t-shirts, their generosity being used to secure trademarks for a fake charity to exploit their father and be put up against their own father's estate. How is three minors being included in contracts in their best interests? How is attempting to bind three minors to a porn producer for life in their best interests?

Maybe we should ask Taj whether taking Michael's children (or any child for that matter), and just using them as leverage to secure opportunities for yourself is something that wouldn't go against everything he stood for. We must have missed the memo, because, as far as we could see, he made himself pretty clear about how he felt about children being exploited and growing up in a fish bowl. He also made it pretty clear that he didn't want that life for his children, so...

another STANDING OVATION. Very informed analysis.
 
"KJ can love the kids all she wants. no offence but pimping out the kids for $$$ is dead wrong. There's NO justification for that."

I couldn't agree more. The Jacksons have gone too far lately
 
well hes got a tweet from me. if he bothers to read it he will understand a few home truths.
 
I can only speak for myself, but I don't think the fans woke up one morning and just decided to be mad at Michael's mother.
I've slowly, slowly watched this fan community get more and more disappointed with Katherine. It's not something that happened overnight. It's not like we want to feel disappointed with her, but it is what it is. That's just how we feel.

In the beginning, most were willing to be sympathetic and give her the benefit of the doubt. When she formed a business partnership with Howard Mann. we were a little alarmed, but didn't think much of it. We were still in the mindset of her being a vulnerable grieving mother and this sneaky business man was having fun taking advantage of her. Then the Mann contracts leaked, and we cut her some more slack. It would have been hard for her to understand, it's worded strangely, she's an old lady and she's not going to understand most of what she signed. Plus the part about the kids being binded to Mann "for life" wasn't even legal, so we were angry, but it not like they could enforce the contract on the children.

While many were getting impatient with her most were still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. When she did the Oprah interview and included Michael's children, many felt more anger towards her but it was believed that the kids wanted to do it, and maybe they begged her or something, and she was an old lady, and she couldn't tell a 13 year old what to do and what not to do and so on and so forth. When the interview aired which showed the children lacking enthusiasm about the interview and Blanket look so uncomfortable, and Prince trying to leave the table half way though, there was more anger directed at her. Add that to all the things she said in the interview, not really "defending Michael" as Taj said she would, and the fans weren't too happy. Let's not even get into the fact that the interview was with Oprah, which caused even more outrage than the interview itself. More people may have felt anger towards Katherine for it, but many said let bygones be bygones and nothing could be done about it now so just overlook it.

Early the following year, Michael's estate was in the middle of a litigation against a fraudulent charity, who were using Michael's logos and name for profit. Katherine and Howard Mann went ahead, got involved and began to support said charity. She put Michael's children on the youth ambassadors' board, and she granted yet another interview involving Michael's children--this time with them wearing t-shirts promoting the fraudulent foundation. Many fans thought this was the last straw and they could no longer tolerated it, and began speaking very harshly about Michael's mother, but many were also willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, yet again. I got blasted for criticizing Michael's mother for the whole htwf thing because Michael loved his mother (and I have no doubt he did) and she is therefore above criticism. Regardless of her actions, many were still able to give her the benefit of the doubt, and, if not that, at least close their eyes to it and ignore it somewhat because Michael loved her and it would hurt him to see us being critical of her.

The final straw for most was this "Forever Michael" tribute show. Having Michael's children be required to attend as per the "terms and conditions." Getting KISS involved and saying that Michael would be happy about it, regardless of the fans complaints. Continuing to support the tribute, even though the organizers have disrespected the fans, deleted their concerns from facebook, lied about it, lied to her about the "international galaxy of stars", lied to her about it being the "greatest show" in history, and essentially not giving a damn about what's done in Michael's name, and leaving the fans to pretty much clean up all the mess that they have started. We should be spending this time getting ready for Murray's trial, not sitting here worrying about this "tribute" and the impact it will have on Michael's legacy if it goes forward.

There's only so much we can tolerate. We've given Katherine and the whole family more than enough rope. I just feel like my patience is wearing thin. When they start making the children promote their scents, fake charities and fashion lines, it just creates more and more resentment. There were times that Michael could have exploited his children and used them for his own gain. I'm sure that a five minute interview with the children explaining what a great dad he was would have been great for his public image. Michael was called an awful father who abused children, so why not? He needed the image boost. For all we know, they may have been begging him to do it. There could have been times when the children heard something bad about their dad and wanted to come out publicly and defend him. Even if that was true, Michael still didn't allow it because Michael did what he was supposed to do as a father. Michael protected those children. He didn't make them do anything unless it was with their best interests in mind.

What has Katherine done that has been in their best interests? The children do an interview to be used as a tool bring in extra viewers, and, in turn, increase publicity for Katherine's book. They wear Heal the world t-shirts, their generosity being used to secure trademarks for a fake charity to exploit their father and be put up against their own father's estate. How is three minors being included in contracts in their best interests? How is attempting to bind three minors to a porn producer for life in their best interests?

Maybe we should ask Taj whether taking Michael's children (or any child for that matter), and just using them as leverage to secure opportunities for yourself is something that wouldn't go against everything he stood for. We must have missed the memo, because, as far as we could see, he made himself pretty clear about how he felt about children being exploited and growing up in a fish bowl. He also made it pretty clear that he didn't want that life for his children, so...

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Taj judges actions as to what makes a true fan or not. He'd be highly insulted and probably go ballistic if we suggested KJ is not a true grandmother based on her actions.

She has brought us to this place of frustration and great disappointment, a place where none of us want to be and hate her actions have gotten us here.
 
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