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Some fans are so oversensitive. The word "bizarre" was just used about some lyrics and was not in an offensive context.

And why is "normal" considered such a positive term by some? "Normal" (if there is such a thing at all - probably there isn't) is usually your everyday boring guy with average skills and abilities. Is that really who you want MJ to be?

He was no a crazy monster like some people try to portray him but "normal" and "crazy monster" aren't the only two options. He was definitely not normal in the sense that he had an extraordinary talent and a life that was anything but "normal". That's not a negative thing. Most geniuses are not "normal" people and if they were they probably would not be geniuses. So I don't know why some MJ fans are so desperate for MJ to be described as "normal", as someone who was no different from others. He was. And there is nothing wrong with that. On the contrary. That's why he was special.

And in this snippet it wasn't even that deep. They were just speaking about the intro of DSTYGE. An intro that fans themselves like to make fun of - just see when The Force is interpreted in a certain way on fan boards and no, it doesn't have to do with Star Wars. LOL. But some act like they were analyzing and judging Michael's personality. LOL.
 
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Nah, he's cool.

Fair enough. I like Can't Feel My Face. Gave his other songs a go and watched him perform at some gig. Not for me. Respect to him for bigging up Bad as the best album ever though.
 
The footage looks promising. Sad thing is that from those 4 guys, The Weekend in most popular. Again Questlove with his lyrics ignorance. First he didn't know that it's not "Librarian" Girl, now he doesn't know that it isn't "with the forks don't stop". What an idiot! Just google the lyrics if you can't understand them! SPIKE, YOU SHOULD HAVE CUT THAT OUT! Not funny at all and little disrespectful! What "bizarre lyrics"?? And who are these other guys? Just no names for me.

I agree. Questlove should have googled the lyrics 1979.

Petition, petition!
 
Thanks! But I'm not dismissive towards the documentary as a whole. The footage looks amazing. I'm just disappointed with the list of interviewees and what they had to say.

Do you want more journalists like Paul 'MJ's lyrics are banal' Lester and less celebs like Questlove? Because trust me, the critics have been so dimissive of MJ's artistry, it's should be a crime.
 
Do you want more journalists like Paul 'MJ's lyrics are banal' Lester and less celebs like Questlove? Because trust me, the critics have been so dimissive of MJ's artistry, it's should be a crime.

I know. But this is a project co-owned by the Estate of MJ so they can see the documentary prior to release and censor/cut out parts that are not right and respectful towards the man they are representing and celebrating through this release.

By simply analysing the words. Banal is less offensive than "bizarre" in my opinion.
 
I agree. Questlove should have googled the lyrics 1979.

Petition, petition!

I meant before doing this interview. But that's not the point. The point is: is that really relevant for the documentary? Would that be shown in documentaries about other artists, like The Beatles or Elvis?
 
By simply analysing the words. Banal is less offensive than "bizarre" in my opinion.

banal
b??n??l,-?nal/
adjective
adjective: banal
so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring.


bizarre
b??z??/
adjective
adjective: bizarre
very strange or unusual.




Boring is more positive to you when talking about ART than unusual?
 
I know. But this is a project co-owned by the Estate of MJ so they can see the documentary prior to release and censor/cut out parts that are not right and respectful towards the man they are representing and celebrating through this release.

By simply analysing the words. Banal is less offensive than "bizarre" in my opinion.

Just because you are offended by something doesn't mean it's globally offensive.

Everyone has the right to be "offended" but everyone ELSE has the right not to care. I think being offended by something so miniscule is silly and writing off a (hopefully) good documentary based on his music and not his face or oddities after seeing a clip that lasts 1 minute and 33 seconds containing idle banter that you consider offensive is absolutely ridiculous.

The rest of us can enjoy and discuss!
 
I meant before doing this interview. But that's not the point. The point is: is that really relevant for the documentary? Would that be shown in documentaries about other artists, like The Beatles or Elvis?

"Misheard lyrics" discussions are very usual about any artist. It's not an offense. You should lighten up. Seriously.
 
I meant before doing this interview. But that's not the point. The point is: is that really relevant for the documentary? Would that be shown in documentaries about other artists, like The Beatles or Elvis?

Yes it would, people like hearing personal little stories when it takes up a TINY portion of a documentary. This isn't a Discovery Channel documentary about how Off The Wall was created. These are people that Off The Wall touched in a massive way and helpd them on their way to stardom (regardless of who they are, they are more famous than me and you).

For someone who lauded Xscape as much as you did considering how it bastardised his music to make his songs sound hollow and forgettable, I'm surprised you feel so strongly about things that don't actually affect his legacy. This is a documentary about something he has done and how it affected people. Maybe all the artists you expected didn't really think Off The Wall was worth spending a day with Spike Lee for!

I don't know.... Just relax
 
It's not an offense. You should lighten up. Seriously.

I meant "bizarre" lyrics comment offensive. Misheard lyrics are not offensive in any way, I just said it's not relevant or important for celebration of this or any other milestone album.

Trust me, I'm lighten up. Maybe it sounds I'm not when your read my posts. I'm just little irritated by such comments. I think there shouldn't be a place for them in official releases. Just my opinion.
 
For someone who lauded Xscape as much as you did considering how it bastardised his music to make his songs sound hollow and forgettable.

Hahaha for "bastardised" & "hollow and forgettable". Also Timbaland or LA Reid or anyone never called MJ's lyrics "bizarre" but they were judged and attacked for saying a lot less harmful things.

This is a documentary about something he has done and how it affected people.

Exactly. And they should be talking about that and not about misheard lyrics.

Maybe all the artists you expected didn't really think Off The Wall was worth spending a day with Spike Lee for!

It's not important who they are but what they have to say. And from all that was shown in that little clip the most interesting was The Weekend who actually had nothing interesting to say. It would have been nice to see at least one guy who was actually present there in 1979!

Just relax

I'm relaxed. Don't worry ;)
 
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I meant "bizarre" lyrics comment offensive.

How is that offensive? Have you read the definition above? Strange or unusual is not offensive in art. How does banal (ie. boring, unoriginal) art sound less offensive to you than strange/unusual (which is what bizarre means) art? Picasso's art is bizarre. Salvador Dali's art is bizarre. It makes them geniuses. On the other hand I have never heard usual, boring, banal being used as a positive term in art. NEVER.

Sometimes I wonder if some of you want MJ to sound and be like everyone else or like some unoriginal average Joe (ie. be banal, usual and "normal"), because some of you sure demand a lot that he be described as such.
 
It's not important who they are but what they have to say. And from all that was shown in that little clip the most interesting was The Weekend who actually had nothing interesting to say. It would have been nice to see at lease one guy who was actually present there in 1979!

1 minute and 33 seconds Onir. Seriously.
 
Well, many people will find something in this documentary that annoys them and Onir found his/her bit:)

I personally hope that Johnny Legend's part is less 1 minutes and 33 seconds:cheeky:
 
I'll be watching for one reason only.....I'm not even looking at these new artists talking about that album, it should have been people directly involved w/the album and even capture the mood of the fans who bought that album then......I'm watching to remind myself who Michael actually was during that time, how great of a spontaneous live performer he was, and to remind myself how things changed the way they did over time and how we got to this point that never should have been
 
Hahaha omg can't believe you guys are really discussing about Onir's rage against Questlove's misheard lyric. Pls continue.. ?

Those
live clips in the beginning are definitely film footage. They really need to release concerts on Blu-Ray.

Ikr! When the beat started I immediately got in to the mood!
 
Hahaha omg can't believe you guys are really discussing about Onir's rage against Questlove's misheard lyric. Pls continue.. 🐸

Thanks. But it's not rage. And it's not about Questlove's misheard lyric. At least not just about that. But as you said, please move on.
 
"Misheard lyrics" discussions are very usual about any artist. It's not an offense. You should lighten up. Seriously.

Yip. There's are numerous websites dedicated to misheard lyrics -- it can be quite funny. It was sport when I grew up since we didn't have things like Google.
 
banal
b??n??l,-?nal/
adjective
adjective: banal
so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring.


bizarre
b??z??/
adjective
adjective: bizarre
very strange or unusual.




Boring is more positive to you when talking about ART than unusual?

He could have said unusual if he wanted. But nevermind.
 
I think being offended by something so miniscule is silly and writing off a (hopefully) good documentary based on his music and not his face or oddities after seeing a clip that lasts 1 minute and 33 seconds containing idle banter that you consider offensive is absolutely ridiculous.

The rest of us can enjoy and discuss!

Who wrote it off? I certainly didn't. I praised the concert footage. I said it looked "promising", "amazing" and "brilliant". And I will most definitely enjoy it. And buy it unlike some that will glorify every single aspect of it, but not buy it.
 
I know. But this is a project co-owned by the Estate of MJ so they can see the documentary prior to release and censor/cut out parts that are not right and respectful towards the man they are representing and celebrating through this release.

By simply analysing the words. Banal is less offensive than "bizarre" in my opinion.

Well you obviously didn't go to school if you think that 'banal' is less offensive than 'bizarre'. The word 'bizarre' is way more open to interpretation, being eccetric or unusual doesn't necessarily equate to being negative. The word 'banal' is offensive, there's no nuance there, it's straight up negative, it means boring or unoriginal. I'd take 'bizarre' over 'banal' anyday of the week.
 
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It says Destiny tour Oakland arena Dec 16 1979 and the other clip is from Triumph tour LA Forum, Inglewood California Sept 26 1981.
How many more days to go before we can see this documentary:timer:


Onir, I was thinking if they get Ronson to oversee next album being put together, like the way LA Reid was curator of Xscape. Not that he do remixes or anything like that.

I should go dig up my albums and check my ticket stub for The Forum and see if that's the night I was there.
 
I should go dig up my albums and check my ticket stub for The Forum and see if that's the night I was there.

Ooh, there is a little chance we see you in the audience:D

Hopefully you behaved well and didn't do any funny like throwing stuff at MJ:yes:
 
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Winds me up when they start talking about lyrics that don't make sense.

"Keep on with the force, don't stop"...pretty obvious it's about music & dance.

The Beatles wrote nonsense such as I Am the Walrus & Lucy In The Sky WIth Diamonds for God's sake!

They did this on Bad25 with Smooth Criminal also. Two minutes with people talking about 'Annie'.

By the way, that footage of DSTYGE live? Worth more than a full HIStory tour.
 

Thanks. I put the direct youtube video link onto this page:


Hey I noticed that at the very end it says you can start your 30 days free trial with this channel... and after 30 days cancel it if you don't want it anymore.
That should solve some problems for people who didn't want to buy bundle and didn't have the channel?
Does that offer apply only for US viewers?
 
I'm actually with Onir,I just posted this in a duplicate thread.

Winds me up when they start talking about lyrics that don't make sense.

"Keep on with the force, don't stop"...pretty obvious it's about music & dance.

The Beatles wrote nonsense such as I Am the Walrus & Lucy In The Sky WIth Diamonds for God's sake!

They did this on Bad25 with Smooth Criminal also. Two minutes with people talking about 'Annie'.

By the way, that footage of DSTYGE live? Worth more than a full HIStory tour.
 
Well you obviously didn't go to school if you think that 'banal' is less offensive than 'bizarre'. The word 'bizarre' is way more open to interpretation, being eccetric or unusual doesn't necessarily equate to being negative. The word 'banal' is offensive, there's no nuance there, it's straight up negative, it means boring or unoriginal. I'd take 'bizarre' over 'banal' anyday of the week.

I did go to school. You should not say that to someone. Well, he did not say banal so it's irrelevant. He did say bizarre which, I know, can have different meanings. And by the way he said, my interpretation was that he meant it in a negative (at least for me) way. But that's just me. And he did not say eccentric or unusual so that is irrelevant here also.

Michael himself was often called "bizarre" by the media and it was always in the negative context. Always. Not once in a positive "unusual" way. So that's why I found that comment offensive.

Move on.
 
The point is: is that really relevant for the documentary?

These documentaries air on festival and TV as well so I believe they are trying to make them both informative and fun. I had the opportunity to show Bad 25 to non-fans. They laughed so much to Kanye West's "I don't think Annie is okay" comment (in regards to how much MJ asked "annie are you okay"). I think these things such as misheard lyrics etc are harmless fun.
 
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