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Should Lisa Marie Presley should be trusted on her opinion of Michael...

krikzil said:
Who is the "them" hoping? Lisa's kids? If so, apples and oranges.

Chuckling myself as to the Lisa/MJ situation. Mike's statements to Schmu and in interviews make it clear he was aware that Lisa had hoped to reconcile and regretted things. So, not sure why there's a debate here.





Not me but it's interesting you felt the need to throw that out there.
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The bolded-- you have a pattern of reading something and reaching grand conclusions. Just because Michael said Lisa was hoping for a reconciliation, it does not mean that because he allowed her to follow him due to his politeness that he was making her think there would be a reconciliation. Some men like me, for example, and want to take me out. I let them know there is not going to be a romantic thing going on. They still go out with me and call me on the phone. You seem to have a Victorian concept of relationships. It is almost as though a woman has no control of her emotions and don't understand that a man's NO means NO or vice versa. (It reminds me of a few centuries back if a man held a woman's hand in public he had to marry her otherwise he would have spoiled her good name.) It seems that you don't understand that many dates/outings/trips are made between parties where one person likes the other one and wants it to be a deeper relationship, while knowing the other party just want a friendship. Lisa knew very well that Michael did not want to remarry and she went hanging out with him anyway. They both knew what was going on so there is no need to blame Michael like you did a few posts above. Lisa has control and is master of her choice to follow Michael, and her destiny. She is not a foolish pre-teen from Victorian times.

This is the last comment I will make to you in this thread since I see you have a type of thinking that I will not follow. Further, I think I have said all I need to say on the subject. So moving right along...
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Regardless of where that article comes from, it's a fact LMP dated 3 different guys (David Arquette, Luke Wilson and another wannabe musician, David don't remember his last name) around the time she claims with the 4 years relationship she supposedly had with Michael. The only reason Michael let her following him in 1997 and 1998 was because she was sick. Lisa loves giving herself the importance she doesn't have. How convenient when a fan of hers asked if she hated him, she replied, "I don't hate Michael Jackson. The opposite of love is not hatred, it's indifference, I'm indifferent." For someone who was "indifferent", she spent too much time trashing him and now he's gone, he's the love of her life. >_>
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Yeh i dont get that whole " indifferent" thing she has with mike, its stupid reallty. Its something a 12 yr old would say
 
Petrarose;4059831 said:
The bolded-- you have a pattern of reading something and reaching grand conclusions. Just because Michael said Lisa was hoping for a reconciliation, it does not mean that because he allowed her to follow him due to his politeness that he was making her think there would be a reconciliation. Some men like me, for example, and want to take me out. I let them know there is not going to be a romantic thing going on. They still go out with me and call me on the phone. You seem to have a Victorian concept of relationships. It is almost as though a woman has no control of her emotions and don't understand that a man's NO means NO or vice versa. (It reminds me of a few centuries back if a man held a woman's hand in public he had to marry her otherwise he would have spoiled her good name.) It seems that you don't understand that many dates/outings/trips are made between parties where one person likes the other one and wants it to be a deeper relationship, while knowing the other party just want a friendship. Lisa knew very well that Michael did not want to remarry and she went hanging out with him anyway. They both knew what was going on so there is no need to blame Michael like you did a few posts above. Lisa has control and is master of her choice to follow Michael, and her destiny. She is not a foolish pre-teen from Victorian times.

This is the last comment I will make to you in this thread since I see you have a type of thinking that I will not follow. Further, I think I have said all I need to say on the subject. So moving right along...
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Your post is exactly right! Lisa is no naïve, inexperienced young flower who got taken advantage of by the world famous Michael Jackson. Lisa was sexually active a long time before meeting MJ. It just surprised her she couldn't control MJ the way she thought she could. She told Oprah she push her position with him too far and it backfired. Lisa can't stand to lose so she went on a 10 year rant about mean old Mike. Lisa has issues. :)
 
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Victory22;4059844 said:
Your post is exactly right! Lisa is no naïve, inexperienced young flower who got taken advantage of by the world famous Michael Jackson. Lisa was sexually active a long time before meeting MJ. It just surprised her she couldn't control MJ the way she thought she could. She told Oprah she push her position with him too far and it backfired. Lisa can't stand to lose so she went on a 10 year rant about mean old Mike. Lisa has issues. :)
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I know. Sometimes Lisa is portrayed as this weak damsel that big bad Michael took advantage of. He was so bad he tried to have her make babies for him right after they got married. I don't know who he thought he was--maybe a husband, I guess. Oh that bad, bad Michael Jackson, letting Lisa follow him with hopes of remarriage even though she was dating others at the time. Oh that good Lisa who has a pattern of hanging out and vacationing with her ex hubbies and no one says she is making them think there will be a reconciliation. Anyway sometimes I do get a good chuckle out of it all.
 
Yeah, the poor damsel in distress chased a married man begging him to get back together with her while she had relationships with other man. But that married man felt sorry (pity) for her because she got sick after they got divorced and let her hang out with him for a short period.
 
Petrarose said:
The bolded-- you have a pattern of reading something and reaching grand conclusions.
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Grand conclusions? Nope, just a different POV than yours. Something you seem unable to accept and oddly view as some attack ON Michael.

Petrarose said:
This is the last comment I will make to you in this thread since I see you have a type of thinking that I will not follow. Further, I think I have said all I need to say on the subject. So moving right along...
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I always love it when folks need to make such announcements.
 
krikzil said:
Star & The Globe. Right.
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Are you saying the article isn't true? Luke Watson and Lisa were definitely dating. They even attended the 71st Academy Awards Vanity Fair Party on March 21, 1999. Their relationship is definitely serious. Michael said that Lisa was busy running around and she was!

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When it comes to Lisa Presley some MJ fans have no problem with throwing MJ under the bus to defend her honor or I should say her lack of honor. I know it’s painful to some but LMP’s crap actually does stink just like everyone else’s.
 
AliCat said:
Are you saying the article isn't true? Luke Watson and Lisa were definitely dating. They even attended the 71st Academy Awards Vanity Fair Party on March 21, 1999. Their relationship is definitely serious. Michael said that Lisa was busy running around and she was!

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Just pointing out the hypocrisy of any MJ fan citing to TABLOIDS for any reason -- shouldn't be acceptable because it's Lisa or anyone else fans hate or takes issue with. It's irrelevant that they are occasionally accurate given all the crap they've spewed about Michael through his life and in death.


Oh, and the "running around" comment is from the Schmu tapes so not relevant to the time frame under discussion anyway given when it was taped. (Rather doubt MJ meant it in the manner some fans infer either.)
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Yeah, the poor damsel in distress chased a married man begging him to get back together with her while she had relationships with other man. But that married man felt sorry (pity) for her because she got sick after they got divorced and let her hang out with him for a short period.
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He was too sweet. That is why he went through all the abuse, exploitation, and trouble. I mean here is a man who is kind to a sick woman and let her hang around & still he gets wrongly accused of letting her get her hopes up. He is accused wrongly whether he does something kind or not. I feel very bad for him even after his death people continue to see the wrong in his good intentions. They always interpret his kindness in a bad way to favor someone else. Very sad...

Alicat good visual.
 
Even if some of the things the globe and the star wrote seem crap, it doesn't take away the fact LMP besides chasing around the world to Michael, she had relationships with other men exactly during the time she claimed having that 4 year on and off relationship.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Even if some of the things the globe and the star wrote seem crap, it doesn't take away the fact LMP besides chasing around the world to Michael, she had relationships with other men exactly during the time she claimed having that 4 year on and off relationship.
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Had to thank you for making me chuckle. The point was the double standard when it comes to tabloids. Lisa dating others wasn't disputed in the first place. It earns a big -- And? So? It doesn't preclude an off/thing with MJ in any way. As I said, why wouldn't she be dating others?
 
The problem I have is, why the actual f.ck she claimed she had an on and off relationship with Michael during 4 years while she was having relationships with different men? Michael let her to hang around him for a little while but he never gave her any more chances to reconcile. She loves giving herself the importance she never had.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
The problem I have is, why the actual f.ck she claimed she had an on and off relationship with Michael during 4 years while she was having relationships with different men? Michael let her to hang around him for a little while but he never gave her any more chances to reconcile. She loves giving herself the importance she never had.
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On-OFF. Sorry, still mystified how dating others during the "off" discredits her statement or why it's a "problem".

But as always, I do love the minimizing of events during those years and the irony I find in that last statement.
 
Michael said they weren't together because he closed himself from the whole situation, he didn't gave her any more chances. I prefer to believe him.
 
31-year-old Presley is currently dating Luke Watson, who was assigned by the Church of Scientology to act as her bodyguard. Watson, a guitarist who bears a resemblance to Lisa's famous dad, is said to be helping Presley realize her ambition to become a popular singer in her own right.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...491_1_geri-halliwell-angie-dickinson-collagen
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04/12/99 "Clubland" Premiere at Fine Arts Theatre Lisa Marie Presley & Luke Watson

Now we get to the real reason Lisa bashed poor ol' Michael, he was so mean not to record with Lisa. But...
Luke Watson is helping Lisa realize her AMBITION to become a popular singer in her own right. Michael apparently didn't realize this potential of Lisa's and she spent the rest of Michael's life just bashing him to death!
 
AliCat said:
31-year-old Presley is currently dating Luke Watson, who was assigned by the Church of Scientology to act as her bodyguard. Watson, a guitarist who bears a resemblance to Lisa*s famous dad, is said to be helping Presley realize her ambition to become a popular singer in her own right.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...491_1_geri-halliwell-angie-dickinson-collagen
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04/12/99 "Clubland" Premiere at Fine Arts Theatre Lisa Marie Presley & Luke Watson

Now we get to the real reason Lisa bashed poor ol* Michael, he was so mean not to record with Lisa. But...
Luke Watson is helping Lisa realize her AMBITION to become a popular singer in her own right. Michael apparently didn*t realize this potential of Lisa*s and she spent the rest of Michael*s life just bashing him to death!
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:coffee: I*ve heard this point brought up before and it never made any sense to me. Why would she need Mike to sponsor her, record with her or produce anything with her? Her dad is Elvis Presley. . . HELLO?!! If that fact isn*t a big enough bargaining chip to get her foot in the door of the music business, nothing else will. Having a famous relative helped Janet, even Rebbie and Latoya (gag) although Janet was the only one that had the TALENT to maintain a successful career.

My opinion is she isn*t talented enough to maintain a successful career (more proof that talent isn*t inherited), regardless of if she was able to use both the Elvis AND King of Pop cards. :lmao:
 
Before Elvis there was Frank Sinatra, the big heartthrob of the bobby soxers. Nancy Sinatra did pretty well in her own right as a singer/entertainer and like you mentioned, it doesn't hurt to have a famous last name to get your foot in the door.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

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11/03/1998

Lisa Marie Presley is engaged again. The only child of Elvis Presley, whose 20-month marriage to Michael Jackson ended in 1996, will wed John Oszajca, a Hawaiian-born musician, her publicist confirmed Tuesday. This will be her third marriage; she has two children with her first husband, Danny Keough. Oszajca's 25, Presley's 31. No date has been set. The couple met last May and became engaged just before Christmas, when Oszajca went to Lisa Marie's mother, Priscilla Presley, and asked "for her daughter's hand in marriage," said spokesman Paul Bloch. After receiving her approval, Oszajca formally proposed to Lisa Marie. Both the prospective bride and groom have albums in the works. Oszajca plans to release his first album, "From There to Here," this year, while Lisa Marie is in the studio recording hers (her first), said Bloch.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,617278,00.html
 
These Boots are Made for Walkin' -- great song by Nancy.

That People date is off. John & Lisa didn't meet until 5/99, getting engaged later that year. I remember an LA Times article in Spring '00 where JO was pretty annoyed that magazines were on about their recent engagement more than the release of his album.
 
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AliCat said:
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11/03/1998

Lisa Marie Presley is engaged again. The only child of Elvis Presley, whose 20-month marriage to Michael Jackson ended in 1996, will wed John Oszajca, a Hawaiian-born musician, her publicist confirmed Tuesday. This will be her third marriage; she has two children with her first husband, Danny Keough. Oszajca's 25, Presley's 31. No date has been set. The couple met last May and became engaged just before Christmas, when Oszajca went to Lisa Marie's mother, Priscilla Presley, and asked "for her daughter's hand in marriage," said spokesman Paul Bloch. After receiving her approval, Oszajca formally proposed to Lisa Marie. Both the prospective bride and groom have albums in the works. Oszajca plans to release his first album, "From There to Here," this year, while Lisa Marie is in the studio recording hers (her first), said Bloch.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,617278,00.html
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You know, I don't remember this at all. But then I didn't really pay attention to Lisa Marie after she and Michael split up, and took some interest when she was going back and forth with Nicholas Cage.
But looking at this picture, just suddenly made me feel so SORRY for her. Imagining how she must feel not knowing if people love heror who her father is and what can she do for them. Just really, really sad.
 
barbee0715 said:
You know, I don't remember this at all. But then I didn't really pay attention to Lisa Marie after she and Michael split up, and took some interest when she was going back and forth with Nicholas Cage.
But looking at this picture, just suddenly made me feel so SORRY for her. Imagining how she must feel not knowing if people love heror who her father is and what can she do for them. Just really, really sad.
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I feel sorry for the kids of any rich and/or famous person AND the folks they get involved with. Mistrust abounds and it's got to make relationships pretty tough and fuel resentments. (John though wasn't using her -- he had his record deal before they met.) Paris' future BFs and hubby are potentially in for the same BS. I hope PPB manage to find happiness.
 
krikzil said:
I feel sorry for the kids of any rich and/or famous person AND the folks they get involved with. Mistrust abounds and it's got to make relationships pretty tough and fuel resentments. (John though wasn't using her -- he had his record deal before they met.) Paris' future BFs and hubby are potentially in for the same BS. I hope PPB manage to find happiness.
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It's certainly easier when you work on some education and go for an own career completely independent and a different field from what your famous parent did before.
 
Yeah, I feel so sorry for poor little rich, spoiled, pampered, mean girl Lisa too. NOT!

What does her being the daughter of a celebrity have to do with her very public attempts to humiliate Michael Jackson?

If anything her knowledge of the way the press loves salacious gossip should have caused her to keep her private relationship OUT of the media at all cost. :poke:
 
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When Karen Carpenter died in Feb., of 1983, her soon to be ex husband has never spoken publicly about why he and Karen were getting divorced. They married in August of 1980 and by November of 1981, Tom Burris filed for divorce. Tom Burris has kept his mouth shut all these year's and I wish Lisa had been that private when she and Michael divorced.
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
The problem I have is, why the actual f.ck she claimed she had an on and off relationship with Michael during 4 years while she was having relationships with different men? Michael let her to hang around him for a little while but he never gave her any more chances to reconcile.
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To play Devil's Advocate, I dated the same girl whom I loved and she loved me off and on for 4 years while we both dated other people. The first time we dated we even lived together and that was the worst of the 3 breakups. We loved each other but we could never make it work together, yet we couldn't seem to not be together as well. For some people, non-monogamy (whether temporary given the situation or otherwise) can work. But, in MJ's defense (and I am an MJ supporter so keep that in mind), if he says they weren't romantically involved after they divorced, but she was still trying to win him back and he was having none of it (despite hanging out with her on what I assume was his way of calming the storm between them and coming to some kind of conclusion/end), I'll believe Mike.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
The problem I have is, why the actual f.ck she claimed she had an on and off relationship with Michael during 4 years while she was having relationships with different men? Michael let her to hang around him for a little while but he never gave her any more chances to reconcile. She loves giving herself the importance she never had.
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Well they could have just been using each other for sex. You know, friends with benefits.
 
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