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Should Lisa Marie Presley should be trusted on her opinion of Michael...

AliCat said:
I ain't buying the 'friend's with benefits' smuck. Michael was a gentleman through and through!
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...And every girl say they want a gentleman, but in the end... who does??? it's tiresome, too much attention and too little masculin.

Yes I am sure Michael was a gentleman - but Lisa certainly was not a first lady type of wife - no wonder IF they had an on/off relationship - and no wonder that the mirrage didn't work, they really needed different things in life
 
Lisa is totally self serving. her blatent lies throughout the years about how she got away from mj while continuing to have a relationship with him and more importantly how she allowed people like swayer etc to blatently attack mj when being interviewed inorder to make herself look like the normal poor little victim shows her attitude towards herself and mj. no wonder she gets on with the jacksons so well!
 
Lisa's attitude towards Michael is indicative of her character.

Why she decided after Michael died that she would be friend's with Michael is awkward at best. Suddenly Lisa says that she had an off again on again relationship.

Yet...Michael says that he had closed his heart to Lisa after they divorced, because Lisa was begging Michael to take her back. Michael said she was busy running around. I believe Michael over Lisa.
Monday, February 7, 2000

Lisa Marie’s groom-to-be is homegrown
Third time's a charm

A prominent artist couple in peaceful Windward Oahu is getting the kind of fame they never imagined, "or wanted."

And it's not about their art.

"Yes it's us; John (Oszajca-- pronounced Oh-zsa-kah) is our son and, yes, he's engaged to Lisa Marie Presley," said Linda Oszajca with a bit of laugh. "I'm surprised it's taken so long for (Hawaii reporters) to catch on."

John Oszajca --Waimanalo born, raised and educated --and Presley announced their engagement last week on her 32nd birthday, more than a month after they had become engaged.

Parents John and Linda Oszajca, who own the Oszajca Design Group, have lived in Hawaii more than 30 years. Linda, a native of Cleveland, Ohio, has exhibited her art throughout Hawaii and internationally. In 1989 Linda's "In the Hot Warming Sand" -- a typical Hawaiian beach scene with bikini-clad sun worshippers and wet towels -- was on display in a Paris gallery. Among other works is the banyan tree she painted in 1996 on the interior walls of Kailua Public Library.

But it's their fledgling rock 'n' roll musician son -- one of the couple's three children, including a daughter and another boy -- who's been attracting international attention since his engagement to Lisa was announced.

'I was this dumb kid from an island confronted by this fast-paced, ultra-hip scene. There was a lot of confusion and angst and just figuring myself out. It was a struggle. I'd gone to Seattle to 'make it' and had no idea what I was doing ... We put together a band and went on to suck. We didn't really do anything with it.'

JOHN OSZAJCA,
FROM HIS WEB SITE BIOGRAPHY​

Oszajca, 25, graduated from Kailua Intermediate in 1988 and Kailua High School in 1992. He met Presley, 32, through mutual friends about nine months ago, Linda said.

This will be the third marriage for Presley, who is divorced from Michael Jackson and drummer Danny Keogh, and the first for Oszajca. Lisa has two children, Danielle, 10; and Benjamin, 6. No wedding date has been set, Linda Oszajca said.

Oszajca's parents have been told by their son and his management not to talk to news media, referring calls to his publicist and manager. A promised interview with the singer-musician never occurred and several follow-up telephone calls to Oszajca's management company were not returned.

The elder Oszajca, an environmental graphic designer, said his son is "very sensitive" about what's said and by whom about his relationship with Lisa.

"He's asked us not to talk to anybody; we're getting all kinds of calls coming in, including some pretty weird ones, like from the National Enquirer," John Oszajca said. "In reality, we really don't know all that much. But we would love to be able to talk because we're so proud."

Linda Oszajca did talk briefly with the Star-Bulletin.
"John and Lisa met around May then got engaged just before Christmas after he asked (Presley's mom) Priscilla for permission," she said. "Then he asked (Lisa) and he told us he gave her an engagement ring."

According to sources, Oszajca talked to Priscilla the morning of Dec. 23, then that afternoon popped the question to Lisa. That evening during a small, private holiday gathering for family and friends at Lisa's L.A. home, her mother made the announcement.

Oszajca's first album, "From There to Here," is scheduled to be released in April on Interscope Records. But Interscope has already released an abbreviated CD with two songs: "Back in 1999" -- with its touch of T-Rex and The Velvet Underground -- and "Funny Shade of Blue."

"'From There to Here' is a story about moving forward," Oszajca explains in his biography.

"I'm saying that success is the accumulation of all our experiences, even the failures. That's the way life has been for me anyway."

(Fiance Presley is in the studio recording her first album, due out this year as well.)
According to Oszajca's manager, David Christianson, the album recounts the musician's transformation from a small-town kid from Hawaii to a street-savvy musician. Other tracks on the album will include "Bisexual Chick," "Where's Bob Dylan When You Need Him" and "I Might Look White."

"Bisexual Chick" is theme of the film "Clubland," in which Aerosmith's Steven Tyler plays the part of record producer. The movie is scheduled for limited release April 16. The soundtrack also includes the work of Jimmy Tuckett, Brad Hunt, Buddy Quaid, Terence Trent D'Arby, Alexis Arquette and Lori Petty, Zebrahead and Flood. Oszajca's music also was in the film "Mystery Men."

On his Web site, Oszajca says his album takes an urban dance music approach to traditional song structure. He describes himself as a traditional songwriter with contemporary narration and urban production.

His songs -- which range from social and political issues to not being able to find a place to park -- are "vehicles for storytelling," he says.

Oszajca moved to Seattle just weeks after graduating from Kailua High in '92.

"I was this dumb kid from an island confronted by this fast-paced, ultra-hip scene," he says in his biography. "There was a lot of confusion and angst and just figuring myself out. It was a struggle. I'd gone to Seattle to 'make it' and had no idea what I was doing."

But Oszajca says he especially appreciated not being "the only white guy in town" for the first time.

"We were definitely in the minority in Waimanalo, and that was no fun at all," he says. "I know what it feels like to be picked out of a crowd."

Oszajca started taking guitar lessons at 15 using a guitar his parents bought him for his birthday. Another beginning musician whom he met during lessons would be part of his first band.

"We put together a band and went on to suck," Oszajca says. "We didn't really do anything with it."

Then Oszajca writes he floated from band to band, playing in at least seven before he left Hawaii. In Seattle, the 18-year-old musician found the songs he'd been mocked for doing in Hawaii were now being appreciated.

"I'd always written these completely different sounding songs that I was certain no one would ever understand," he said. "But I was doing it for me, playing for friends. (In Seattle) suddenly people were getting it, but in Hawaii it was this weird thing."
Oszajca joined a band. Soon after a friend asked him to play a solo acoustic set for a film group benefit. The club where he performed asked Oszajca to do a return performance. Soon after he launched a solo career.

Oszajca did coffee shop gigs where he got paid in sandwiches and moved on to opening for national acts, he says, which included Jewel, Brian Setzer, Joan Osborne, Moe Tucker and Pete Drodge.

The genesis of Oszajca's songs is his subconscious when "it has something to say," he writes.

"It finally figures out an experience I went through in the past, solidifying the lesson learned."

He moved to L.A. to "either make it or break it ... because nothing was going to happen unless I made it happen," Oszajca said.

Oszajca decided rather than remaining a solo act playing for a few people, he would create his own scene and put himself in the middle. So Oszajca became a club promoter, hosting weekly events. He played drums for a band he named "Popism."

The group was "ridiculous, a horrible glam band, but that was the whole point," Oszajca said.

"It was sort of an experiment to see if we could create the kind of hype that would turn this really awful band into the next big thing," he said.

In six months Popism was packing the club with several hundred people a show.

While Oszajca was "embracing the more urban sound" he also was searching for a record producer. That's when Nic Jodoin, who would produce "From There to Here" with co-producer Chris Johnson, entered the picture.

When Oszajca performs live his band consists of two guitarists (himself included), a bass player, a drummer and disc jockey. Backup singers, dancers and a Mariachi band are also part of the gig "to make the show as huge as possible," he says.

Oszajca spent time at Park City, Utah last month during the Sundance Film Festival where he performed along with several other bands at The Cozy for a private party hosted by Famous Music for about 300 television and motion picture executives. Capricorn recording groups Bicycle and Metro Talent also performed.

During his performance there, Lisa sat in the audience wearing a flop hat or danced to her fiance's music, said owner Greg Weiner.

"I didn't even know she was with him," Weiner said in a telephone interview. "We had a lot of groups playing that night and Oszajca was the best. My sound guy said he was definitely going to move up in the music world. I thoroughly enjoyed it."

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/02/07/features/index.html
 
Lisa and MJ's marriage ended in December 1995 when they separated. Don't see how the relationship with John disputes her "four year" statement. Four years later, she got engaged in December 1999, marking the end of any on/off with MJ. She went on with her life. Nor does MJ's comment (not that I think he meant it in reference to sleeping around) since the Schmu recordings were made 2000-2001.

Curious too that it's so hard to believe they had a sexual relationship during that time period either. Not sure what being a "gentleman" has to do with anything. Michael got involved with Lisa while she was still married after all.
 
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The only thing we know about those tapes the years the conversations occurred which were around 1999 and 2001. He implied he didn't take her back because he closed himself to the whole situations (her constant beggings, letter and siding with his mother to try to have access to him.) I choose to believe him and also the last time they were seen in public was in 1998.
 
Schmu recorded the 30 hours of conversation between August 2000 and April 2001.
 
And he got another woman, so I see this "they were on and off for 4 years" as a big lie from Lisa-Marie.
 
Lisa wants to make herself out to be more important in MJ’s life then she was. Truth is she was an enormous mistake he recognized and corrected through divorce. Lisa was a disappointment to him that he got over without looking back. She can’t stand the fact that she was insignificant so she attacked and belittled him in public. This was done to make herself feel good and to look better in the eyes of the media.
 
Brett Livingstone Armstrong says that he was the one behind the infamous meeting between Lisa and Michael. Brett is also responsible for giving Lisa her birthday present from Michael on Feb. 1, 1993. Whatever Brett wrote, made quite an impression upon Lisa.

The thing is, Michael ended their relationship the same way it began, on her birthday. This time it was on Feb. 1, 1998. Michael began it and Michael ended it. End of story!


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Since Lisa Marie is in the "news" (and I use that term lightly) lately, and her divorce, settlement, child custody hearings are ongoing, I'm going to bump this thread so people can discuss and not ruin the sweet thread about Michael and Lisa's marriage. In this section, people can say whatever they want, within reason.
 
kate100 said:
Scared of the Moon..

In the Oprah interview I think she didn't mention any other guys she had dated with at that time because maybe she thought there was no need for her to mention that.Maybe she didn't mean she and Michael had been together four whole years.I doubt they had a close relationship for four years after they had divorced,but they still kept in touch for some time.

But what pisses me off most is that she dared to blame Michael for everything.The truth is that during their marriage she hurt Michael too and that's why he got upset and disappeared without any contact with her.She had also promised him that they would have their own children and she didn't keep her promise.

That's how Lisa behaved and considering herself to be the eternal victim was ridiculous.
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The thing is what michael did was a little immature thng to do he shouldve talked with her bout things and not dissapearing like he did
 
8701girl said:
The thing is what michael did was a little immature thng to do he shouldve talked with her bout things and not dissapearing like he did
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Or maybe he disappeared because of the people that were around Lisa if you know what I mean eg. her mother etc from what I've read and watched they were quite hostile towards him.
 
Besides her mother, I'd include Scientology people. They were quite relentless trying to get famous people converted back in the 90s. I mean to go to the extreme of allegedly wiretapping Nicole Kidman, these people were not effing around.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Besides her mother, I'd include Scientology people. They were quite relentless trying to get famous people converted back in the 90s. I mean to go to the extreme of allegedly wiretapping Nicole Kidman, these people were not effing around.
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Actually I was thinking along the lines of all the people that appeared in that VH1 Driven episode around 28:06 that stuck their pitchforks into MJ, talk about vicious. Now would you want to be around that environment? I don't think so.

 
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Is it true that Lisa called a radio station to defend MJ cover the Bashir interview in 2003?

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monica novoa fiore? @monicanovoa7
LMP called Los Angeles radio show Monday to urge fans of her ex husband MJ not to believe everything they saw in Martin's Bashir documentary
 
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Goddess4Real said:
Or maybe he disappeared because of the people that were around Lisa if you know what I mean eg. her mother etc from what I've read and watched they were quite hostile towards him.
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No I dont think it was really Lisa family that made him disspeard and I dont think mike gave a f**ck what Priscilla thought of him. It was more because of the aftermath of the allegations and the whole baby issue with lisa
 
Goddess4Real said:
Is it true that Lisa called a radio station to defend MJ cover the Bashir interview in 2003?

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monica novoa fiore? @monicanovoa7
LMP called Los Angeles radio show Monday to urge fans of her ex husband MJ not to believe everything they saw in Martin's Bashir documentary[/QUOTE


I don't remember that ..
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First time I have seen Lockwood without his hats....maybe he sold them to help pay his legal bills or is he wearing a really bad wig :rofl:......EXCLUSIVE: Doting dad Michael Lockwood - without his trademark hat - takes his twin daughters dress shopping at Target as he fights estranged wife Lisa Marie Presley's sensational claims he had a stash of child porn on his computer http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-shopping-Target-daughters.html#ixzz4bd0GlvHu

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8701girl said:
Goddess4Real said:
Is it true that Lisa called a radio station to defend MJ cover the Bashir interview in 2003?

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monica novoa fiore? @monicanovoa7
LMP called Los Angeles radio show Monday to urge fans of her ex husband MJ not to believe everything they saw in Martin's Bashir documentary[/QUOTE


I don't remember that ..
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I found it......Lisa Marie Presley called Michael Jackson after Bashir Documentary to Defend MJ in 2003.

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It's not that I purposely omitted she defended him against Bashir like respect said some fans do, I genuinly didn't know it and hadn't come across with that audio/video before. The fact that Lisa joined to the bash/BS fest in the eve of the arrest, charges against Michael ruined her good action she had earlier in that year to me.

How odd Lockwood is allowed to be with his daughters despite the allegations of child sexual abuse and child porn made by LMP. His hair looks like an ugly doll wig indeed.
 
You would think he would have better oufits, and wigs.....because he had access to her $$$$$$$$ ?
 
Opinion be trusted? That's all retrospect, keep in mind this is someone that had an intimate relationship with Michael.. Opinions are all in perspective, I think we can all understand there was pain in that relationship by both of them which will effect perspectives.. I do think her perspective became a bit more fair with time and age... As she let go of some pain, she spoke from a more real place instead of an emotional place..
 
KOPV said:
Opinion be trusted? That's all retrospect, keep in mind this is someone that had an intimate relationship with Michael.. Opinions are all in perspective, I think we can all understand there was pain in that relationship by both of them which will effect perspectives.. I do think her perspective became a bit more fair with time and age... As she let go of some pain, she spoke from a more real place instead of an emotional place..
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This.

I believe the only real relationship Michael ever had was with Lisa. I believe they loved eachother and I can understand how Lisa would grow frustrated with him for disappearing for weeks on end. I would go crazy and get mad too. Lol.

I also understand that she was hurting and trying very hard to seem indifferent when in fact she was heartbroken over them splitting up. It must have been frustrating having all these people around minding their business....especially on Michael's end.
 
Its impossible to trust anyone who has obviously blatently lied so much in the past (the same with any person you may come across) and been so toothless to allow others to attack mj in her presence and just go along with it. She would be the type to make a terrible witness in court as she has such a selective memory interms of the claims she has made over the years and would be so easy to impeach because of that.
 
^ Elusive - I'm foggy on this.. What exactly did she lie about? I remember her sounding angry,hurt, and bitter at times but I am trying to remember some type of horrible lies. help me out here.
 
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