Rodney Jerkins: MICHAEL KNEW HIS TIME WAS NEAR

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...And coming from a Christian back ground I have to say most of the hymns and spiritual songs say something about leaving this world or the sorrows of this world and the joys of heavan.
Michael was always a very spiritual person and liked talking to other spiritual people. Unfortunately Shmuley and Chopra included. The Crouch's at least are decent people.

..I also don't get the part where they say he never touched anyone. Maybe that is just their impression?

I came from a Christian background too.
I came from a gospel church,where people shouted,stomped and clapped your hands out loud,sang with your soul. Yes there are alot of songs/hymns that mention going home to be with Jesus/God..and leaving this world behind.
Yea..maybe that's how that part came about. It just struck me odd,because we the fans knew Michael touched and hugged us. I don't think that they meant anything bad about it at all. I believe they have good hearts.
Thanks for your insight*


*I posted what I believe in post #25*
 
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Michael did admit himself (to B Walters) that at times he "knows" things are going to happen, but I don't know... I belong to sceptics. It's different when Michael himself says it about his feelings, and an entirely different ball game when someone else makes those claims about another person.
 
i don't know if Rodney really knew what MJ knew...

i mean, the interviewer seemed to want to ask a far reaching question, and it's easier to believe thta Rodney took a guess..

and as far as the Crouch's...MJ spoke of Jesus way back in 1993...with Oprah Winfrey...

so.....i don't know...
 
Jackson, raised as a member of the Jehovah's Witness sect...

Off topic, but it is important for me, as Jehovah's Witness, to clarify we are not a sect. In fact, we have had many fellow JW been put in jail or even killed under the false premise we are a sect and similar lies. JW is a religion. A sect is something completely different, and we feel somewhat "unconfortable" when we are called that.

...reportedly a convert to Islam last year,..
As far as we know, that has been nothing but speculation, never a fact. Michael always said he trusted God (using his name, Jehovah, many times) and his son, Jesus, who was one of his role models. I remember Jermain saying MJ had converted to Islam because he asked MJ to do so, a few days after MJ passed. Later Jerm. mentioned he believed he could have done it, that he gave him many books, but he didn't say MJ had converted. Maybe time has given Jermain a better understanding of what he was saying about his brother :)

This was the song that they sang at the Memorial -It's on Andre's cd - "The Best Of Andre Crouch"
I hadn't seen this since the memorial... my heart skipped a bit :cry:

MJ has been very spiritual all his life. He has always been quoting the bible, saying his talent was a gift of God, etc. It is not surprising he would have wanted to make his music even more spiritual. And as CallmeRose said, I don't think that would mean he "knew" his end was near. In fact, he had been asking about God all his life... so that would mean he always knew he would die? We all know it... :ermm:

Many people search for God on a daily basis. It's part of their lives, it gives meaning to their lives and they don't do it because they feel they are about to die. In fact, finding the answers to your spiritual questions is usally the driving force to live a better and happier life :)






 
When Michael announced the This Is It concerts, we all knew something was wrong. The announcement felt like a goodbye, like he was preparing us for what was about to happen. It did not feel like he was announcing a comeback, but more like a goodbye. He wanted the world's attention once more and reclaim people's respect and admiration, and that is exactly what happened with the movie This Is It. That movie helped put the focus back on the wonderful spirit and artistry of Michael Jackson and not the media's sensationalism. He died a hero.
 
3 weeks before mj died, mj accepted christ and asked pastor paul crouch to do spirtual meetings with him before his passing, rodeny jerkins was basically saying mj knew his life here was coming to an end
I feel we all knew Michael Jackson's life here on Earth would be short. That's why we all felt such urgency whenever we were in the presence of Michael Jackson, even if we were just seeing him on T.V.
 
Here is an article about the Andre and Sandra Crouch meeting with Michael

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Andrae Crouch
Gospel superstar Andrae Crouch and his twin sister, Sandra, confirm meeting with Michael Jackson and praying and singing with him weeks before his death.
Jackson, raised as a member of the Jehovah's Witness sect and reportedly a convert to Islam last year, sought out the Crouches for inspiration for his upcoming tour, for which he was unprepared, according to a report in Assist News Service.
But while some blogs have reported that meeting led to a spiritual conversion by Jackson, the Crouches say they are not certain.
"Not sure where that came from," said Sandra Crouch on her Facebook page. "We loved and respected Michael and will continue to pray for his family. All the extra is not from us."
A spokesman for the Crouches had this to add: "Andrae and Sandra did in fact visit with Michael Jackson two times, once at the recording studio, and once at his home in the last two months, as recently as three weeks ago, asking for prayer concerning the anointing of the Holy Spirit, and how he could make his music more 'spiritual.' So Andrae and Sandra explained to him about the anointing and about Jesus. He wanted to know what makes your hands go up, and makes you 'come out of yourself,' and what gives a 'spirituality' to the music? He then requested to hear his favorite song that he loves and wanted the(m) to sing to him, so they ... joined hands and sang together, and he said, 'It was beautiful.' He first heard it in New York, and loved it and wanted it on tape. He had the engineer tape the song sang to him by Andrae and Sandra. He definitely had an encounter with them."
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Was there evidence of a conversion?
The Crouch spokesman said: "He did NOT reject Jesus or the prayer when (we) prayed, and gladly joined in prayer. He usually doesn't touch anybody, but he touched them, and held their hands in a circle as they sang and prayed. There was NO actual 'sinners prayer' however, but they did talk and pray about Jesus and the anointing of the Holy Spirit. They also told him, 'Michael, we consider you as our son,' and he said, 'Yes, yes, yes' and gave him his latest music on a CD, and he told him, 'Andrae I trust you with this,' and gave him CDs of 2 songs ... unpublished, beautiful music."







This was the song that they sang at the Memorial -It's on Andre's cd - "The Best Of Andre Crouch"

















It Won't Be Long - This was the song Rodney said Michael requested Andre and Sandra to sing





"YouTube video with Andrae Crouch talking about Michael Jackson raising his hands and trembling during one time when the Holy Spirit was present and Crouch did an altar call while singing “I Surrender All” — he didn’t say Michael Jackson came up, but he said MJ was really affected and said he’d never seen anything like that:"

at 4:40

interesting that the title of this article comes across as condemning to Michael, while the Crouches don't. and that they keep talking of a 'sinner's prayer', which i have never seen in the Bible.

like the Crouches said, the media likes to...add things. and i don't even know if the media, here, is religious, or not.
 
What does this mean?

accept Christ?

Didn't Michael always say he imitates Jesus and read Bible?

what's the difference?
 
When Michael announced the This Is It concerts, we all knew something was wrong. The announcement felt like a goodbye, like he was preparing us for what was about to happen. It did not feel like he was announcing a comeback, but more like a goodbye. He wanted the world's attention once more and reclaim people's respect and admiration, and that is exactly what happened with the movie This Is It. That movie helped put the focus back on the wonderful spirit and artistry of Michael Jackson and not the media's sensationalism. He died a hero.

Certainly Michael was preparing us for a "final curtain call". He said that clearly. But I don't feel that as a way to say he had any idea bout his death.

Had he known about it... what do you think he would have done? Go to reharsals and give his best and have everything recorded so that it can be sold once he is gone? Or.... leaving everything aside and gave all the time he had left to his kids?

Michael had many projects besides TII (a new pop album, movies, some even mentioned the work in an album of "classic music")... all those would see the later once TII was over. So? :scratch:
 
I sometimes believe God gives us signs or pushes us to do something, or prepares us..
Just in April last year I was on a different forum and some fans were saying...there will be a time Michael is no longer in this world, and only then people will realize the loss..it felt weird...then I was talking to one of my friends and said, you know, they framed and destroyed Michael, but they didn't kill him, like Lennon...
Then another friend told me something like if Michael dies, the whole world will be weeping and stand still...
Then the follower fans got scared that he will die and asked him to take care, on June 24...too many signs, and nobody saved him...:(
 
interesting that the title of this article comes across as condemning to Michael, while the Crouches don't. and that they keep talking of a 'sinner's prayer', which i have never seen in the Bible.

like the Crouches said, the media likes to...add things. and i don't even know if the media, here, is religious, or not.

I found another "source", with some more info. here: http://www.stereotruth.net/2009/06/...to-andrae-crouch-for-solace-in-his-last-days/

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But news of the meeting spiraled out of control as a series of blogs and emails raced around the world proclaiming that Michael had converted to Christianity at the end of one of their meetings, raising hopes, especially among Michael’s African-American fans that Michael, a onetime member of the Jehovah’s Witness sect, who had reportedly converted to Islam in 2008, had become a Christian.

The news was first widely circulated on her website by Erica Campbell, a member of Mary-Mary who, wrote…
Last night we received some good news from Terri McFaddin-Solomon who is good friends with Sandra Crouch. Three weeks ago Sandra and Andrae spent some time with their close friend, Michael Jackson. Michael asked Andrae to play, “It Won’t Be Long And We’ll Be Leaving Here.” Michael then prayed with Sandra and Andre and accepted Christ into his heart. Now he’s singing in the heavenly choir! Our hearts rejoice!
But according to Sandra Crouch, that may not quite be the full story. On a posting on her Facebook page Sandra wrote…
Not sure where that came from. We loved and respected Michael and will continue to pray for his family. All the extra is not from us.

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So... a story out of context. The truth was way simplier. Unfortunately, Mr. Jerkings got to his conclusion based on wrong information distributed by third parties, not the ones actually involved. It's good the Crouch were clear about as soon as they knew about the wrong claims people were doing.

It is good to point out also that Rodney never says "I know that Michael KNEW", he just says that HE, Rodney Jerkings, THOUGHT that MJ could have had that feeling of "my time is coming", simply because MJ had brought some people in, and had asked them to sing a song about leaving this world.... which turned out to be something completely different.

Agggg!!! :doh:

Olvia Newton John knew it well:

"Once the rumour spreads, once the rumour spreads
Once the rumour spreads, the truth is just a thing of the past"

:D
 
That part bout michael "finally accepting christ" is abunch of nonesense to me coz michael was always a follower of god & jesus!


He always said so.
 
When Michael announced the This Is It concerts, we all knew something was wrong. The announcement felt like a goodbye, like he was preparing us for what was about to happen. It did not feel like he was announcing a comeback, but more like a goodbye. He wanted the world's attention once more and reclaim people's respect and admiration, and that is exactly what happened with the movie This Is It. That movie helped put the focus back on the wonderful spirit and artistry of Michael Jackson and not the media's sensationalism. He died a hero.

There are aiways people who knows, they tell so after something has happened.
If Michael had done all 50 concerts the same people probably had said we knew he could do all of them.
It was a goodbye to concerts, he had other plans after this is it.
His nephew Taj talked about that they had plans making film together and Michael had plans for new music.

Besides he wouldn´t work so hard on the concerts if he knew he was going to die soon.He would be with his children , making plans for them in the future.
 
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Michael has always been a spiritual person and he was curious about different religions. It doesn't come as a surprise that he spoke about Jesus and wanted to learn more. I don't see this as a sign that he was getting ready to leave us. I can't see it as a sign, because that would be even more painful.
 
I found another "source", with some more info. here: http://www.stereotruth.net/2009/06/...to-andrae-crouch-for-solace-in-his-last-days/

I quote:
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So... a story out of context. The truth was way simplier. Unfortunately, Mr. Jerkings got to his conclusion based on wrong information distributed by third parties, not the ones actually involved. It's good the Crouch were clear about as soon as they knew about the wrong claims people were doing.

It is good to point out also that Rodney never says "I know that Michael KNEW", he just says that HE, Rodney Jerkings, THOUGHT that MJ could have had that feeling of "my time is coming", simply because MJ had brought some people in, and had asked them to sing a song about leaving this world.... which turned out to be something completely different.

Agggg!!! :doh:

Olvia Newton John knew it well:

"Once the rumour spreads, once the rumour spreads
Once the rumour spreads, the truth is just a thing of the past"

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You are very right. And, people say that not knowing that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. They do not know this. A Christain means that you accept Christ as your savior. Which of course JW's believe. But since we do not believe he is God many falsely assume we do not believe in Jesus. So to say he became a Christian at that time is a misrepresentation since he had become a Christian when he was much younger.

Rodney is indeed taking third party information out of context. Which is a very familiar story with MJ's life. He took outright false and some distorted information, stretched it further and then came to the conclusion that MJ knew he was about to die. Which I think was the furthest from the truth. On almost all accounts, he was very positive especially lately, and was very optomistic about the future and was still making plans til he died.

I hope Rodney's story doesn't cause any more pain for MJ's fans or make them feel more hopeless or sadden them further especially since it is not based on fact. And make them think MJ had kind of given up on life since he knew it to be coming to a close.
 
What does this mean?

accept Christ?

Didn't Michael always say he imitates Jesus and read Bible?

what's the difference?

exactly. mj was always a christain. rodneys father is a pastor/priest. hence the comments.which are ridiculous imo.
 
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When Michael announced the This Is It concerts, we all knew something was wrong. The announcement felt like a goodbye, like he was preparing us for what was about to happen. It did not feel like he was announcing a comeback, but more like a goodbye. He wanted the world's attention once more and reclaim people's respect and admiration, and that is exactly what happened with the movie This Is It. That movie helped put the focus back on the wonderful spirit and artistry of Michael Jackson and not the media's sensationalism. He died a hero.

totally agree
 
When Michael announced the This Is It concerts, we all knew something was wrong. The announcement felt like a goodbye, like he was preparing us for what was about to happen. It did not feel like he was announcing a comeback, but more like a goodbye. He wanted the world's attention once more and reclaim people's respect and admiration, and that is exactly what happened with the movie This Is It. That movie helped put the focus back on the wonderful spirit and artistry of Michael Jackson and not the media's sensationalism. He died a hero.

1 1000% agree
 
some say he went Muslim..some say he went Christian and etc etc. I take all of that with a grain of salt. MJ is gone now, so anybody could say anything about him.

PS Jehovah witness's prophet is Christ but they are not called Christians
 
When he had a press coference for This is it I was a little bit shocked. As some of you said it felt like saying goodbye. It was so weird that he was smiling and many fans there were so happy, but I felt sad. I had never imagined a world without him, the superstar. After the announcement, I came to accept the fact that someday we had to let him go. The problem is it was VERY soon.
 
exactly. mj was always a christain. rodneys father is a pastor/priest. hence the comments

Jehovahs Witnesses have some different beliefs than other Christians, including their beliefs about Christ. Maybe this is what Rodney is refering to. One of the different beliefs they have about Christ is that they don't believe in the Holy Trinity, they don't believe that Christ is God incarnated.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-r005.html

Unlike the other Christian denominations..

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_beliefs.htm

I'm not sure what is exactly meant by 'accepting Christ' though, because I think they do .. idk.. I found this debate here and there was this answer (top one) -

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_reasons_for_most_Christians_not_to_accept_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_as_Christians


The Andre Crouch guy said the story about Michael is not true anyway, and besides why does it matter to us? Its private between Michael and God, only he knows what he believes.

some say he went Muslim..some say he went Christian and etc etc. I take all of that with a grain of salt. MJ is gone now, so anybody could say anything about him.

Exactly, Jermaine told India that MJ was going to become a Muslim. Who knows. I don't think its any of our business anyway.
 
Jehovahs Witnesses have some different beliefs than other Christians, including their beliefs about Christ. Maybe this is what Rodney is refering to. One of the different beliefs they have about Christ is that they don't believe in the Holy Trinity, they don't believe that Christ is God incarnated.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-r005.html

yeah they have slighty diff beliefs but they still call themselves christians. same as protestants and catholics have different beliefs on some things. hence mj having a scared heart above his bed in the late 90's
 
When he had a press coference for This is it I was a little bit shocked. As some of you said it felt like saying goodbye. It was so weird that he was smiling and many fans there were so happy, but I felt sad. I had never imagined a world without him, the superstar. After the announcement, I came to accept the fact that someday we had to let him go. The problem is it was VERY soon.

Wow, my heart just broke. :(
 
myself and the ppl i attended the P,C with felt very strange after it had happened. not excitement. but that wasnt because of some mystic thing abut mj leaving us it was becasue he had shocked everyone by saying these were going to be his last shows. when we first arrived and saw the TII banners we never thought about it meaning TII its over type statement. we thought it was TII im back type message. but when he said these will be my final shows there was a big groan and u could hear ppl go no as if it was a shock (which it was) for pl to act like mj knew what was gonna happen well maybe comforting to some but realistically its an illogical statement to make.mj was moving on with his career and while we knew that the shows would probably be his last major ones in london and possibly the uk it was still hard to actually hear those words come from his mouth.it had nothing to do with mj or anyone else knowing something bad was gonna happen
 
myself and the ppl i attended the P,C with felt very strange after it had happened. not excitement. but that wasnt because of some mystic thing abut mj leaving us it was becasue he had shocked everyone by saying these were going to be his last shows. when we first arrived and saw the TII banners we never thought about it meaning TII its over type statement. we thought it was TII im back type message. but when he said these will be my final shows there was a big groan and u could hear ppl go no as if it was a shock (which it was) for pl to act like mj knew what was gonna happen well maybe comforting to some but realistically its an illogical statement to make.mj was moving on with his career and while we knew that the shows would probably be his last major ones in london and possibly the uk it was still hard to actually hear those words come from his mouth.it had nothing to do with mj or anyone else knowing something bad was gonna happen

Exactly, that's exactly how it was. Very weird feeling. I remember ringing my mum and I was in tears that night, I had no idea why. But I don't think Michael knew his time was near, no way. Why would he have those thoughts? Goes against all that Michael was about, plus he wouldn't have wasted it rehearsing, he'd have done everything he could to stay with his babies.
 
exactly. mj was always a christain. rodneys father is a pastor/priest. hence the comments.which are ridiculous imo.
agree completely.

Sorry to say in my opinion it is made up a lot of nonsense around a harmless matter: MJ meets a spiritual leader to learn something about expressing a song in a more spiritual way. How often Michael has spent his time with people to learn from.
 
mj was moving on with his career and while we knew that the shows would probably be his last major ones in london and possibly the uk it was still hard to actually hear those words come from his mouth.it had nothing to do with mj or anyone else knowing something bad was gonna happen
Why would he have those thoughts? Goes against all that Michael was about, plus he wouldn't have wasted it rehearsing, he'd have done everything he could to stay with his babies.
True. He had plans for after TII too.. films and other things.

You know though, I spent more time on another forum and people did keep going on about the meaning of TII.. there was even a comment on mjjc (someone linked to it recently) with someone saying 'i don't like that name, it sounded like he is going to die or something.'

Personally I saw 'This Is It' as meaning 'this is the place to be' as well as his 'farewell' to london.

Anyway, yeh this story has come from chinese whispers.
 
I understand what you guys are saying, I got a really weird feeling from it too. I wasn't there in person as I had no money but watched it on Sky News. Something felt really amiss when he left the stage. But I never took it for him knowing his time was near. Just that this was finally his final live shows as he wanted to do other stuff after like new albums and films. I took it as his final goodbye to live performing.
 
some say he went Muslim..some say he went Christian and etc etc. I take all of that with a grain of salt. MJ is gone now, so anybody could say anything about him.

PS Jehovah witness's prophet is Christ but they are not called Christians

Just to let you know, yes we are. And we don't believe Jesus was just a prophet the way Muslims do. We believe he is God's son and the only way to salvation.

And Rockin, I agree, Even though we can conjecture, I think the only one who really knows what MJ believed was him and God. (And at times I feel Mj was conflicted and only God knew). So I really don't think Rodney would know either.
 
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