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haha funny
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Rihanna's US Leg Of Tour Flops
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Where's the hate you speak of? All I see is mature, open and honest dialogue. Hmm. :scratch:
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^So just because one person made a rude comment about Rihanna, the entire thread is considered hateful? The majority of us have granted imput and perspectives in a mature and neutral manner. You cannot judge the whole thread by one poster's rather incentively worded post. If you have a problem with it, take it up with him, and don't make generalized statements which automatically involve the rest of us, who have been behaving civilly thus far.
And your personal opinion would thus be biased, given that only one post has shown any sort of resentment. As pointed out, the discussion has been 99.9% on tact. Other artists don't have problems selling out tours, like Britney and now even Katy Perry who is her contemporary. That means the problem lies with Rihanna, whether you or her fans like it or not. I've already stated reasons as to why. It's not because people can't afford a ticket. They're going cheap. I'm not trying to be "negative" or hurt anyone's feelings.
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And what exactly do you mean by this? What is the problem with Rihanna?
I mean that it's hard for her to sell out tours worldwide do to her lack of charisma. She's not a star the likes of Beyonce or Britney. That's for starters. I could go on. And again, this isn't about "hating" on her. It's the truth as I see it.
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I know you don't hate on her.It's your opinion and you have every right to express it, as i have after all. I don't agree with what you're saying but if that's what you feel then fine by me.
Agree with you girl has no substance, once she is 30 she will fade away like so many before her did, and so many after her will. She is a single's artist only.
Yep, no personality or feeling behind those songs. Only flash and sizzle. Those looks and red wigs will only get you so far for so long. Only time will tell, I suppose. However, if her attendance records are any indication...
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Yeah, but you could say the same about all of her contemporaries, really. It's not like Katy Perry is much better, or anyone else who is big right now. There is also the interesting fact that she's doing extremely well in the U.K. --one ought to wonder why. After all, she's the same in one place as she is in the other, and just because tickets are cheap doesn't mean getting there will be, etc. There are a lot of complex factors involved, and the fact of the matter remains in the discrepancy between her outrageous success in the UK and her failure to match it in the U.S.
By the way, it's interesting to note that you mentioned Britney Spears--yet she struggled to sell tickets on her last tour as well, according to the same Yahoo! article which cited Rihanna's failure to live up to expectations. Therefore, I think money's got something to do with it.
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I read somewhere that Europeans in general attend more concerts than Americans, so that may explain it. I haven't read the article but I bet Britney and her contemporaries also did better in Europe than they did in the US. It seems to be a trend, unrelated to Rihanna in particular. Maybe that's also why Michael decided to do his 50 shows here.
I never read that about Britney's last tour. Especially since she didn't struggle to sell tickets. I did however read that Circus was very successful, so much so that they had to add dates, and grossed over 100 million. A number Rihanna will never see (ok, that sounded bitchy but it's true). Interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circus_Starring_Britney_Spears
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Yes, it is strange to me that Britneys concerts attract so much crowd when the only thing she does is lyp sync her songs.I mean she is a singer, her job is to sing. I can understand doing it ones or twise but all the time?I think that that is unacceptable.
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Well she has a lot of complicated dance routines so I can understand why she doesn't sing live all the time (Michael didn't do that either). She could sing live for the ballads though. She does have a better voice than people give her credit for, I've seen acapella clips from her on YT (unfortunately I can't find them atm) and she didn't sound bad at all. She's no Mariah but she has a decent voice.
If there is any doubt that Britney can't sing live, check this out:
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Sounds much better than Rihanna imo. And Rihanna may sing live, but she sounds awful. I wouldn't pay to listen to that lol.
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1) Britney Spears doesn't sing live because her voice isn't good.My personal opinion is that her voice is awful but anyway.I have seen her live videos on youtube, accapela or whatever. The girl is no good. I don't hate on her ,am just being objective.
2)Please don't campare Michael to Britney.Its a sacrilege lol XD. ?ike is a legend and an artist that Britney will never reach for lots of reasons.Talent is one of them.
3)I know that Mike lip synced when he was older and i have always mentained that that was one of the stupiest thing that he has done in his life.And he has done lots of mistakes. But again Mike had something that makes me kinda overlook this stupidity on his part. An immense talent. Furthermore ,Mike used to mime only the last years of his carrier and even when he mimed he used to dance his ass off. What is Britney's excuse for miming from the begining of her carrier? (And i don't believe that i am defending Mike over Spears.Wow)
4)And you would pay to see a non so much talented person open and close her mouth?Really? Well, if you want to give your money to go to a show were the singer mimes, then good for you. I, one the other would feel like i am being deceiving and i would feel stupid.
5) As for the video, no, it doesn't sound good. Britney simply can't sing live no matter the amount of video provided (and by the way there aren't many). Britney is a very pretty lady, a decent dances, a mediocre singer who has a team of people writting catchy songs for her ( same thing with pretty much every artist today out there) and that's it.I believe her fans know that.
Oh, and i am sorry for going so much off topic.
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Britney is no Whitney Houston, but she's also no Rebecca Black. She's a much better vocalist than you are willing to give her credit for, and that's fine. It's something the media dictated ages ago. And speaking of Whitney, why can she be heralded as a great artist and yet she never wrote a single lyric in her entire career? She doesn't write, produce, or anything else in correlation to her music. I'm not knocking Whitney (I love her), but it is good example of the bias I am trying to illustrate. Britney has always gotten flack for not being an "artist" and just a "singer/entertainer" but if we go by those standards, than Whitney, Celine, Cher, and many other classic singer/entertainers aren't artists either. Just sayin'. As far as what Brit's fans know ...she has a good heart, is very kind, and much more talented than is given credit for. Not to mention she loves and adores her fans - that's why they go above and beyond for her.
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AmeriCans pay for concerts, we just don't pay for bs... MJ could've come here and sold out wherever he chose to play. The US is also in an economic recession. I don't know to many who would spend top dollar to see Rihanna. She isn't known for putting on a show.
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All you had to say was this...
I never understood the appeal of Britney. She has catchy songs, is an okay performer and okay dancer. I will say that I like her personality more than anything, she is a sweetheart. After watching clips from her GMA performance the other day, she just needs to redo her image.
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^Britney did do better in Europe than in the U.S., if I recall correctly. Most artists tend to do better in Europe, I suspect because their economy is better and they can afford to go to shows more than Americans can.
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And you have no right to call him stupid, just 'cuz you're not aware (or don't care) of his throat problems and how he'd been advised by doctors not to perform. Yet he did it so as not to disapoint his fans. Yeah, pretty much what happened with the tour that never happened, 'This Is It'. Including on the 'Dangerous Tour' did he have throat and other health problems, and believe it or not, including the 'Destiny' tour. What does him having done 'lots' of mistakes, as you say, have to do with the topic of this thread? Sometimes, trying too hard to make a point turns it into something downright ridiculous, no offense.
Why does Michael's name have to be inserted in threads that have nothing to do with him? And Britney's as well. This thread is about Rihanna's US Leg tour, not Jackson's lip-synching.
Britney was originally brought in to the topic to contrast people who can sell tickets across the globe and those who can't, like Rihanna. It was never meant to totally stray off topic like it has. I agree with everything you said. Something I've said in other threads is that it's always so easy to judge situations we know nothing about (MJ lip syncing, etc.). I think that sentiment fits here as well.
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Yea she does do better in Europe and it's not because the economy or Americans lack of money. The US is very fickle when t comes to supporting artist and it has to do with the media. Also country music is what is supported most over here.
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Whether you like someone's voice or not is certainly not objective, it's a matter of taste. To me she sounded good in that video I posted and some other live/acapella videos of her I've seen. As I said, she's no Mariah or Whitney but she can certainly sing, and I personally find her voice more appealing than Rihanna's. She is also a better dancer than Rihanna (and you'd have to be a hardcore Riri fan to disagree with that lol) so at least she is good at something.
I'm not comparing them in terms of talent, I'm just saying many artists who perform intensive dance routines choose not to sing live, not just Britney. I don't blame her for that, it's very hard to sing when you're out of breath.
There is no need to "defend" Michael over Britney in the first place, as my comment wasn't an attack on Michael. Anyway, I can show you numerous videos of Britney singing live so that kinda defeats your whole argument
Britney does sing live on occasions, and she does a decent job at it. Her fans seem to like it and and that's all that matters. Who says I would? I only ever attended a Britney concert once when I was 8 years old. I'm not a fan of hers or anything. The last Britney album I bought was Oops! I Did It Again lol. But apparently there are many people who do pay to see her in concert, maybe she puts on a great show, I don't know. I'm willing to bet that Britney sells out concerts way faster than Rihanna. Who, to bring the conversation back to her, doesn't have anything special to offer in concert either. At least Britney can dance. Rihanna sounds awful live, can't dance and has no stage persona. Perhaps that's why her tour flopped.
Let me add to that: "Rihanna is a very pretty lady, a decent dancer, a mediocre singer who has a team of people writting catchy songs for her (same thing with pretty much every artist today out there) and that's it. I believe her fans know that."
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Yeah, I know. ^ I was making a point touching on a sensible association.. gone really astray.
Yeah, I understand. Thanks for making it clear. :flowers:
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Alma;3322598 said:
I think that I wasn’t the first one who brought the MJ lip-synching thing or Britney up. So why are you referring and quoting specifically me?
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I wonder why from my whole response you picked the specific sentence? I didn’t call Michael stupid, I said that Michael made some stupid things and decisions in his life.<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w
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Alma;3322598 said:
And what kind of point was I trying to make? Can you please enlighten me?
And the funny thing is that I was the only one asking for apology for going so out of topic. But again for some reason you decided to quote only my post? Why is that?
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