[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[CherubimII]

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Like every one else, I'm just going by the facts as presented in this case, thus far.

Aside from that, Michael was in the business long enough to know about the "moral compass" of the show business crew. I'm sure he knew in advance that he had to swim with SOME sharks in order to get what he wanted. Stop trying to make Michael out to be some little wuss, controlled by anybody who crossed his path.

He certainly didn't get as far as he did by letting folks walk all over him!

And I agree, your fixation with Michael's children is a bit creepy, in my opinion. No offense, but it is type creepy.

I find your support of the corporation AEG to be a lot creepy. Just saying. :smilerolleyes:

 

[ilmjj]

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I said this on twitter and I will say it here too. Please tell me where Michael gets justice from Katherines AEG lawsuit? Even if AEG loses they will still have millions of dollars, their lives and careers. The Jacksons will have the money they have always wanted so they will be happy.
But what about Michael Jackson? Intimate details of this fiercly private man are going to be printed for the world to see and twisted by the tabloids. How is this justice?

 

[MIST]

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I said this on twitter and I will say it here too. Please tell me where Michael gets justice from Katherines AEG lawsuit? Even if AEG loses they will still have millions of dollars, their lives and careers. The Jacksons will have the money they have always wanted so they will be happy.
But what about Michael Jackson? Intimate details of this fiercly private man are going to be printed for the world to see and twisted by the tabloids. How is this justice?

There is no justice

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Was it ever confirmed in the trial that prescriptions were written in chases name and what they were for or is aeg going on media reports

reading paris comments brings it all back. we are gonna have to go through all this again. all the mud raked up because of the families obsession with money

 

[loveforever]

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- Michael's kids admitting that Michael said positive things about Murray.
- Michael's kids admitting they did not know Michael was receiving Propofol from Murray.
- Michael's kids admitting that the access to Michael's rooms were restricted for many people but they had access.
- Michael's kids saying they aren't sure when they first met Murray but believed it to be either Bahrain or Las Vegas.
- Michael's kids saying they saw Murray at Las Vegas and started to see him more often after they moved to Carolwood.
- Michael's kids saying they saw IV fluids but thought these were for nutrition.
- Michael's kids saying they spent 2 hours at night and 1 hour before he went to rehearsal with Michael between June 23rd and June 25th. (Note: I think they are trying to say they saw Michael for 2 hours at June 23rd night and 1 hour on June 24th before he went to rehearsal).
- Paris saying Michael once told her to give money to Murray but he refused. Murray refusing to take money from Michael.
- Paris saying Michael was anxious about flying and took medication before he went on a plane.
- Paris saying Michael loved to stay up late and listen to music.
- Paris saying Michael seemed to be nervous and seemed to have a lot on his mind the last month before his death. Michael saying the schedule was too much.
- Paris saying during the week he died Michael's body temperature would go from cold to hot and from hot to cold.
- Paris saying that she discussed Michael's death with Latoya and Latoya saying she would get to the bottom of who killed Michael.
- Paris saying Katherine got some personal items of Michael from Carolwood and also brought Paris clothing of Michael that smelled like him.
- Blanket almost not remembering anything and saying he attended some rehearsals with Michael but don't remember a thing. He remembers Michael wanting TII footage to be 3D.

Only Michael children's parts sounds genuine and honest, the rest especially the Katherine's part sounds so 'agenda'. The ugliness of the game play, only money matters. Michael's privacy and his name means nothing.

i am sure right before Michael's death he probably still thought Murray was deeply care about his health, never about the money. I can totally picture the fake face of Murray when he refused Michael's money. "No, I will wait for AEG pay me, Michael. Money doesn't matter, I care about you. You are my friend. (In his heart: I secretly taped you, so no worries I will blackmail you later after I suck you dry.)" too much fake ugly people in Michael's life. They know they have to wear the fake "being nice and kind" mask in front of Michael first, to really get access to him, be his friends and win his trust(money). Sad

 

[Aquarius]

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Thanks Ivy for keeping us informed.

If I could only sue the Jacksons for mental anguish, I will gladly do it.

 

[8701girl]

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Originally Posted by ivy
- Michael's kids admitting that Michael said positive things about Murray.
- Michael's kids admitting they did not know Michael was receiving Propofol from Murray.
- Michael's kids admitting that the access to Michael's rooms were restricted for many people but they had access.
- Michael's kids saying they aren't sure when they first met Murray but believed it to be either Bahrain or Las Vegas.
- Michael's kids saying they saw Murray at Las Vegas and started to see him more often after they moved to Carolwood.
- Michael's kids saying they saw IV fluids but thought these were for nutrition.
- Michael's kids saying they spent 2 hours at night and 1 hour before he went to rehearsal with Michael between June 23rd and June 25th. (Note: I think they are trying to say they saw Michael for 2 hours at June 23rd night and 1 hour on June 24th before he went to rehearsal).
- Paris saying Michael once told her to give money to Murray but he refused. Murray refusing to take money from Michael.
- Paris saying Michael was anxious about flying and took medication before he went on a plane.
- Paris saying Michael loved to stay up late and listen to music.
- Paris saying Michael seemed to be nervous and seemed to have a lot on his mind the last month before his death. Michael saying the schedule was too much.
- Paris saying during the week he died Michael's body temperature would go from cold to hot and from hot to cold.
- Paris saying that she discussed Michael's death with Latoya and Latoya saying she would get to the bottom of who killed Michael.
- Paris saying Katherine got some personal items of Michael from Carolwood and also brought Paris clothing of Michael that smelled like him.
- Blanket almost not remembering anything and saying he attended some rehearsals with Michael but don't remember a thing. He remembers Michael wanting TII footage to be 3D.

What i am worried bout is paris have been told to say some of these things from la toya...wouldnt surprise me

 

[jaydom7]

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I am just totally upset because MJ should still be here.. all of this could have been prevented. So many people around MJ, so many folks in the house and they all stood by and watched Murray slowly kill MJ for months. They had to know it was fishy as hell for Murray to be bringing in oxygen tanks and staying the night and I am quite sure MJ's weight loss, and being constantly cold was raising red flags yet no one did anything. Poor MJ needed help badly and allowed Murray the monster to 'take care' of him not realizing that Murray was destroying his central nervous system with that concoction of crap he was giving MJ. MJ was an experiment to Murray, he didn't care at all... Why didn't Michael realize that Murray was not helping him?

 

[ivy]

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This wraps up the summaries of the all documents

Katie Jorrie Declaration

Jorrie says she drafted the agreement between Michael and AEG Live. She says the contract had multiple revisions based on the requests coming from Michael's people.

Jorrie calls the MJ - AEG Live agreement very favorable to Michael. She says AEG was advancing substantial amounts not only for the production and promoting costs but they also gave substantial cash advances to Michael to pay his debt, rent and to buy a second home.

Jorrie says MJ had the right to select his touring staff and as agreed AEG Live was advancing their salaries and Michael being responsible for those expenses.

Tim Woolley asks Jorrie to draft an independent contractor agreement for Murray in late May 2009 - early June 2009. Murray tells Jorrie that he has been treating Michael for 3 years.

Jorrie says she sent the first draft on June 15. She got a call from Murray on June 18th. Murray asked her who will sign the contract and if he will need to refund any salaries back if the tour gets cancelled or if Michael fires him. They also discussed if Murray would hire someone to assist him in London and why a CPR machine was needed.

Murray tells her he was licensed in 4 states and CPR machine was customary to have at hand for performances. Murray never requested any equipment from her. She says that Murray made it clear that he had yet to select a medical person to assist him and she understood that Murray would select the precise equipment he wanted AEG Live to provide him at London.

Jorrie says she had no knowledge about Propofol and actually Murray multiple times said to her that Michael was perfectly healthy and in excellent condition.

She send the second draft on June 19 and receives another call from Murray on June 23rd. Murray asks her to change the contracts start date to May 2009. He asks her to change the end date to March 2010 from September 2009 - so this way Murray would be paid during the tour break as well. Murray also asked her to change the wording that says "provide services requested by producer" to "artist".

Jorrie says she asked if Michael was aware and agreed that Murray would be paid during the tour break and Murray tells her yes. She says the "provide services requested by producer" was because of they used a standard vendor form for the draft and she immediately agreed to change it to artist. Jorrie says at this time she also asked Murray for help to gather Michael's medical records for the cancellation insurance.

Jorrie send the third draft to Murray on June 24. Murray calls her saying that he will go to rehearsal that day and he had went to the rehearsal the day before (June 23) and Michael was amazing. Murray faxes her the signed contact on June 24.

Randy Phillips declaration

Phillips says the talks with Michael started summer or fall of 2008. He says Michael's reps told him that Michael was in debt but rather than to sell his assets to pay his debt he preferred to go on a tour. Phillips says that for months they have negotiated an agreement and it was finally signed January 2009.

Phillips again mentions - Like Gongaware - when AEG produces a tour they advance the costs but the artist is responsible for those. (again they make it sound like this is standard way of how they do their deals) Phillips says that this actually gives the artist control over the tour, that he choose his staff, his vision determined what will be done and so on.

Phillips says that after he heard from Gongaware that Michael wanted to bring his physician, he talked to Michael to convince him to hire a UK doctor because he thought an American doctor would require some specific / temporary license to practice at UK. He says that Michael was very firm and he wanted his long term personal physician Murray. Phillps says he told Michael he would tell this to Gongaware.

Phillips says he was not involved in negotiations or drafting with Murray. He says he never signed any contract with Murray.

Phillips says he first met Murray at an early June meeting at Michael's home. He says that he spoke to Murray 2 -3 times and it was about the concerns raised by tour staff about Michael's attendance, nutrition and stamina. He says both Murray and Michael assured him that Michael was in good health. Phillips says he also mentioned Murray that Michael seemed sedated after seeing Klein.

Phillips says his last meeting with Murray was on June 20 - and it was requested by Dileo. He says Michael, Murray and Ortega was at this meeting. Murray tells them that Michael is in perfect health - so does Michael. Murray tells them not to discourage Michael from performing and bluntly tells them leave the medical care to him and focus on the tour. Michael and Ortega comes to an agreement about rehearsal schedule they are both happy with. Phillips says Michael never told him he needed medical care or he wanted the tour to be postponed.

Phillips says that he attended two rehearsals on June 23rd and June 24th and Michael was brilliant, healthy, energetic.

Phillips says he's not a medical doctor and did not supervise Murray. Phillips ends with statements that he learned the use of medicines after Michael's death, he never told Michael what doctor to see or not see, he never told Michael not to take any medicine, he never required Michael to take Propofol and he didn't even knew what Propofol is and he had no suspicion that Murray was giving Michael Propofol.

Summary Judgment Motion for AEG Inc. and Leiweke

As I mentioned before AEG Inc. (parent company) and Leiweke (CEO of AEG Inc.) has filed a separate request for dismissal based on the claim that they had no relationship or connection. AEG Inc. says they had no involvement in any TII contract, only Leiweke had attended a few meetings with Michael and neither Leiweke nor any AEG Executive had never met or communicated with Murray.

AEG Inc. points out that any deal was between Michael , Murray and AEG Live and a parent company cannot be held responsible for its wholly owned subsidiary.

Declaration

This is the accompanying declaration for the above summary judgment for AEG Inc. and Leiweke. It only consists of 4 exhibits. It has Michael - AEG Live contract, Murray draft agreement, deposition of CFO of AEG Inc. stating AEG Live is a wholly owned subsidiary of AEG Inc. and that AEG Inc. never saw or had any involvement in Michael contract and Murray contract draft, and AEG Inc. written answers repeating that the above mentioned points.

Leiweke Declaration

Leiweke says he met with Michael one or two times to discuss about a potential tour deal in the fall of 2008 in Las Vegas. He says these were preliminary meetings and they did not include negotiations about the tour. He says Michael's heath was not discussed in those meetings. Leiweke says AEG Live kept him updated about the developments but Leiweke and AEG Inc. had nothing to do with negotiations and drafting of Michael's contract as well as they had nothing to do with Murray negotiations and contract. Leiweke says they (Leiweke and AEG Inc.) had absolutely no involvement with Murray as they never met and communicated with him.

Two sets of Undisputed Material Facts

These are the claims that that the parties are making to be an undisputed fact such as "Leiweke did not sign TII agreement". Other side will have the option to accept or object to these facts.

Judicial notice

These are the stuff that they are wanting the court to make note of such as contract laws in California, Murray's medical board disciplinary record history, criminal trial verdict and so on.

Motion to seal documents

This is a motion to ask the court allow these documents to be filed under seal based on the protective order. This is what is causing many documents to be filed under seal and/or redacted.

 

[xthunderx2]

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Thank you Ivy..It is SO obvious that Murray cared MORE about the money than Michael's health...I mean look at the summary...he had Jorrie change the contract so that it would say that he "should get paid during the break". WHY should he get paid during the break...under NORMAL conditions its not like he would of been tending to Michael "during the breaK". He did that because he wanted to be paid for the services because he KNEW that he would be giving the propofol even 'DURING" the break. OR. He just wanted to be paid because he "FELT" as though he was "entitled" to that money. We all KNOW about Murray's entitlement attitude and greed. Again he proved with this action that he saw Michael as a dollar sign and not a person. Who even knows if Michael agreed to that change in the contract...Murray can say all he wants that he did...but where is his proof. Murray makes me so.angry....still.

 

[marebear]

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Is that normal that they advanced the costs for production and so on and that Michael would pay that back? I don't know how it works. If AEG didn't hire Murray and didn't know about the propofol then I don't see how they are responsible for Michael's death. Murray lied to everybody including Michael. If Michael knew how Murray was treating him Murray would have been gone.

The hot and cold that Michael was feeling was a big red flag but people didn't know what was going on. Murray should have stopped. He didn't know what he was doing and he was killing him. I think people used Michael's past addiction and rumors about drug use against him. They assumed that he was doing something but they didn't realize that Murray's treatments were making Michael sick. Now they all know what was going on but it's too late.

I hate Murray. It's sickening how he really didn't care about Michael at all.

 

[xthunderx2]

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Is that normal that they advanced the costs for production and so on and that Michael would pay that back? I don't know how it works. If AEG didn't hire Murray and didn't know about the propofol then I don't see how they are responsible for Michael's death. Murray lied to everybody including Michael. If Michael knew how Murray was treating him Murray would have been gone.

The hot and cold that Michael was feeling was a big red flag but people didn't know what was going on. Murray should have stopped. He didn't know what he was doing and he was killing him. I think people used Michael's past addiction and rumors about drug use against him. They assumed that he was doing something but they didn't realize that Murray's treatments were making Michael sick. Now they all know what was going on but it's too late.

I agree that was a HUGE red flag. The other thing that was a HUGE red flag IMO was Murray asking for a CPR machine for London. I am sure that AEG has made many contract with MANY artist and NOT ONE of them has asked for a CPR Machine. That was a ridiculous request and AEG SHOULD of questioned that request.

 

[jaydom7]

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If they were going to use MJ's past addictions against him that should've raised another red flag as to why a healthy man would need Murray nearby for $150,000 per month? if Mike was healthy he could've just relied on a UK doctor or a medic if he became dehydrated or something. There was no need for a cardiac specialist for MJ since he had no heart ailments and if he was perfectly healthy as Murray kept insisting.

 

[Tygger]

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Question please: what is custom on tour? The artist pays for doctor and equipment or the promoters? What did Michael do on his other tours?

 

[jaydom7]

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Lord MJ had no one that cared.. My God he was shivering hot/cold and not one person took him to emergency. Cherilyn Lee told Faheem to take MJ to the hospital yet no one did? Why weren't they concerned with his weight loss and shivering nature and sedated behavior?

 

[ivy]

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Is that normal that they advanced the costs for production and so on and that Michael would pay that back? I don't know how it works.

They certainly make it sound like it's their normal standard practice.

They say that sometimes they just promote tours and sometimes they are the producer as well. They say the instances they are the producer it's actually the artist is doing and controlling everything about the tour and they are just advancing the costs. Artist then pays it back to them from the tour revenues.


In other words think like this, Imagine that you are an musician and you will go on tour. You would have millions of dollars of costs for staff salaries, equipment, stage and so on and so on. So you can either pay these costs from your own pocket and recover them during tour. However this would require you to have the funds to cover these expenses.

Or you can go into an agreement with AEG who advances the costs. In other words AEG pays for the expenses. You agree to pay to them from the tour revenues. Once you pay them the costs back you start to share the revenues / profit with them.

 

[marebear]

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Thank you. I think I read too that Michael wanted to have full control of the shows. I can't remember exactly but something like once the expenses were paid that Michael would make a lot of money and own the rights and all those things. It just sounded that Michael would benefit greatly from these shows.

 

[ivy]

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I agree that was a HUGE red flag. The other thing that was a HUGE red flag IMO was Murray asking for a CPR machine for London. I am sure that AEG has made many contract with MANY artist and NOT ONE of them has asked for a CPR Machine. That was a ridiculous request and AEG SHOULD of questioned that request.

Well Jorrie questioned that request and Murray told her that it was customary. His explanation was that Michael was a 50 year old man that would be performing for over an hour and the machine was for emergencies. It seems to be a reasonable explanation.

It's also important to note that a CPR machine is actually irrelevant to Propofol administration. It's not an oxygen machine, it's used when a person's heart stops beating. Dr. Shafer told us Propofol causes respiratory arrest and not cardiac arrest.

So Murray could have been asking for a CPR machine thinking what if this performance is too hard for 50 year old Michael and he has a heart attack.

Also I think during Murray trial AEG testified that personal doctors wasn't a common occurance and that makes them not knowledgeable in that regard.

A personal note: If I was suspicious of a CPR machine and asked about it if someone told me what if this 50 year person had a heart attack during middle of a performance it would have made total sense to me with my limited medical knowledge.

If they were going to use MJ's past addictions against him that should've raised another red flag as to why a healthy man would need Murray nearby for $150,000 per month? if Mike was healthy he could've just relied on a UK doctor or a medic if he became dehydrated or something. There was no need for a cardiac specialist for MJ since he had no heart ailments and if he was perfectly healthy as Murray kept insisting.

They clearly did not want to hire Murray but Michael demanded it. So You'll see all of the above points would be irrelevant.

Question please: what is custom on tour? The artist pays for doctor and equipment or the promoters? What did Michael do on his other tours?

No one knows. We have no information about Michael's older tours. He had Pepsi as sponsor on two of them. Like I said AEG is making it seem like it's their normal practice.


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[elapentela]

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Lord MJ had no one that cared.. My God he was shivering hot/cold and not one person took him to emergency. Cherilyn Lee told Faheem to take MJ to the hospital yet no one did? Why weren't they concerned with his weight loss and shivering nature and sedated behavior?[/

Did anybody had an opportunity to witness "shivering neture and sedated behavior" every day? Usually you don't go to the hospital if you have symptoms once only. Some people go to an emergency room when they suspect the stroke the first time in their life but most people don't. And MJ was an adult and the one who decided if to go to an emergency room or not.

 

[ivy]

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^^

Also the emergency personnel cannot provide medical help to any adult that's unwilling to accept such help. They could not drag Michael to an emergency room and force him to get medical care - unless of course he was unconscious.

 

[bluetopez]

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"Katherine in her written answers admit that Michael was given Propofol by other doctors before Murray."

I believe this is something she found out later on, after MJ Died?! Cause we all have heard about MJ allegedly using Propofol during the History tour?! Plus, it could also mean when MJ went to the dentist for something like Oral surgery? Dentist can use Propofol too and also when u get major surgery for something. So she could have easily meant that too or also?! By, the way wasn't Gongaware involved in the Dangerous Tour not HIStory tour? So I have no idea why Katherine said he should have known about Propofol? I never heard anyone say that MJ was using Propofol on the Dangerous Tour.

 

[bouee]

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About hot and cold symptoms, we asked Dr Shafer in the Q&A on this board, and if I remember correctly, he said it could have had different explanations, including a fever.
So yes, it was a red flag, but maybe it would not have helped at all if the hospital staff didn't have the full picture. Would Murray or Michael have told they were giving / receiving propofol ?

Another thing is that I have doubts about what Murray was actually doing with the medication. I'm talking about benzodiazepines, and the use of lorazepam.

This is pure speculation , we'll never know, but what happened with the hot cold thing could have been withdrawal from lorazepam, or side effects from longterm use of propofol.

I think I remember from the autopsy report, that valium was found in the house, prescribed by Murray, 6 pills a day, prescribed on June 20th. Why prescribe valium during the day ? It could be for those withdrawal symptoms.

This is troubling me, and given the fact that Murray lies so much , what did Michael really know about what was given to him ??

Of course, this is speculation, it can't be proven. If it could, I think it would have been second dregree istead of involuntary manslaughter.

I'm wondering what could an ER doctor have done, I don't know, I'm not a doctor myself... But if Michael was not willing to go to a hospital, didn't know or didn't want to tell what was given to him, with such limited info, would a doctor have found out what was going on ?

 

[MIST]

She send the second draft on June 19 and receives another call from Murray on June 23rd. Murray asks her to change the contracts start date to May 2009. He asks her to change the end date to March 2010 from September 2009 - so this way Murray would be paid during the tour break as well.

I was wondering why Murray didn´t give Michael the contract to sign when Michael came home from rehearsals June 24,happy. Now I understand Murray wanted Michael to sign it earlier in the day when Michael´s mind wasn´t clear affected of the drugs

 

[qbee]

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About hot and cold symptoms, we asked Dr Shafer in the Q&A on this board, and if I remember correctly, he said it could have had different explanations, including a fever.
So yes, it was a red flag, but maybe it would not have helped at all if the hospital staff didn't have the full picture. Would Murray or Michael have told they were giving / receiving propofol ?

Another thing is that I have doubts about what Murray was actually doing with the medication. I'm talking about benzodiazepines, and the use of lorazepam.

This is pure speculation , we'll never know, but what happened with the hot cold thing could have been withdrawal from lorazepam, or side effects from longterm use of propofol.

I think I remember from the autopsy report, that valium was found in the house, prescribed by Murray, 6 pills a day, prescribed on June 20th. Why prescribe valium during the day ? It could be for those withdrawal symptoms.

This is troubling me, and given the fact that Murray lies so much , what did Michael really know about what was given to him ??

Of course, this is speculation, it can't be proven. If it could, I think it would have been second dregree istead of involuntary manslaughter.

I'm wondering what could an ER doctor have done, I don't know, I'm not a doctor myself... But if Michael was not willing to go to a hospital, didn't know or didn't want to tell what was given to him, with such limited info, would a doctor have found out what was going on ?

Not to derail this thread off topic but I wanted to correct how much Valium you stated MJ was taking. Its important becuase people need to know he wasnt absusing medication. Michael wasn't prescribed 6 valiums a day. I didnt think that sounded right so I looked it up. It was only 1/2 to 1 pill every 6 hrs, which is in fact a very low dose and he didnt even take all what was prescribed to him. Valium isnt a sleeping medication and is commonly prescribed during the day for anxiety. Below is the list of the prescribed meds found at carolwwod and what was left in the bottles showing MJ was not abusing his meds and was not a drug addict.

No one can pin down what actually cuased the syptoms. But I think Michael knew what meds he was taking. He is no stanger to medications. It's hard to say if they would have been able to diagnose what was wrong if he went to the hospital. Its possible but probaly not what was causing it.

Myself I dont subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Murray was intentionally trying to harm MJ or did anything premeditated. I think he was genuinly trying to help Michael but He went fowl when he started admisitering propoful. He was irresposible and was a negligent Doctor who killed MJ becuase he didnt properly administer and monitor his patient while under the influence of propoful. He put his own selfish needs first.

Here is a list of the drugs found in the home.

 

[Bubs]

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- Michael's kids saying they saw Murray at Las Vegas and started to see him more often after they moved to Carolwood.
That just shows that MJ didn't use propofol all the time. I suppose when the rehearsals got harder and he needed rest, that was to be solution that worked for him:-(

- Paris saying Michael once told her to give money to Murray but he refused. Murray refusing to take money from Michael.
This bit is odd? Why MJ tells to his 10-11 year old kid to give money to doc? I wonder it that one came from LaToya or someone who told her to write that in her answers? To me its meant to look like Murray got paid by AEG, or maybe I'm wrong in my line of thinking?

- Paris saying Michael was anxious about flying and took medication before he went on a plane.
We know that, thanks Joe for not getting help for that fear when MJ was young.


- Paris saying during the week he died Michael's body temperature would go from cold to hot and from hot to cold.
I wonder was it one occasion when he went hot to cold and cold to hot, Roselyn said it happened once?


- Paris saying Katherine got some personal items of Michael from Carolwood and also brought Paris clothing of Michael that smelled like him.
Some personal items included flat screen tv, but I'm glad she thought of Paris.

- Blanket almost not remembering anything and saying he attended some rehearsals with Michael but don't remember a thing. He remembers Michael wanting TII footage to be 3D.
I hope he still remembers his dad.

- Kai Chase stating she was sometimes at the house working for 12 hours a day.
- Kai Chase saying she never saw Michael to take drugs and never suspected anything.
That to me show that MJ wasn't around the clock drug abuser as family is trying to portray him.

- Kai Chase saying Michael Amir telling her Tohme wasn't a nice person.
We know that, and I'm glad MA said it.


- Katherine Jackson saying Gongaware was on a tour with Michael in the past when a doctor was present and he knew or should have known Murray was administrating drugs nightly to Michael.

J too sometimes went on tour with MJ, shouldn't she have know too?
So nice pointing fingers at others when there is two fingers pointing right back at her.


- Roselyn Muhammed saying she didn't know any drug use and Michael liked good health. Roselyn saying she didn't suspect any drug use.
Wasn't she there 24/7 with kids? If anyone, she knows what was going on there, this is first time I hear anything from her.


- Roselyn saying one day Michael complained of being cold. Held his hand out for her to feel it and she felt it and it was very cold. She told him to sit in front of the fireplace and she'll get him hot soup. And she brought him back either hot soup or hot tea.
Again, she said only once MJ complained being cold.

Some people wondering why nobody didn't send MJ to hospital.
MJ is adult, if he himself thought he would be ok, no other person can tell him to go if he doesn't want to go.
I was thinking possible reasons why he didn't go to the hospital?
If it was once off occasion (hot&cold), maybe he thought he will be ok?
Murray, his trusted doc told him he would be ok (if he called to Murray, cannot remember if it was mentioned in trial)
For him being Michael Jackson and just about the start huge tour, visit to hospital can lead serious complications regarding insurance and the tour itself + they already cancelled some dates and maybe he was fearing a backlash from tabloids or fans/ticket holders?

 

[bouee]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Thanks Qbee for the precisions. I don't believe in any conspiracy theory either , I don't think Myurray intentionally killed Michael. But i am still bafflled by the extent of his negligence / laziness- I think he was probably over self confident.
I still don't understand the use of such amounts of benzos. He lied to Michael, i'm wondering to which extent the lies went. That's what I meant.

Also, many posters seem to think that if Michael had gone to the hospital when he had the hot/cold symptoms - i'm not so sure it would have prevented anything.

 

[Bubs]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Valium isnt a sleeping medication and is commonly prescribed during the day for anxiety.

Isn't it prescribed to relax muscles too?
I had trapped nerve and I got prescription to take 1 tablet before bed time so it relaxes the muscles and loosen trapped nerve. Did Michael had muscle pain or something?

Also, many posters seem to think that if Michael had gone to the hospital when he had the hot/cold symptoms - i'm not so sure it would have prevented anything.

The felling hot/cold happened 4 days before he died. I doubt they could have foreseen Murray's actions 4 days later.

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

I might be wrong but I think there was more than one hot - cold incident. Roselyn's description of "I told Michael to sit by the fireplace and I brought him something hot" doesn't seem like the instance the bodyguards called Nurse Lee. Because she doesn't seem to be that worried about it and thinking hot liquid will help.Unless of course Michael felt worse later on. I think the first ones was just feeling cold or feeling hot all over. As Dr. Shafer said it could be anything starting from common cold causing this. Even if he was taken to the emergency room it would be impossible for the doctors to pinpoint the reason without being told the whole medicines he was given.

I think then he had the half hot - half cold and that prompted the phone call to Nurse Lee.

Obviously we have no idea if Michael discussed this with Murray and what Murray told him.

 

[CherubimII]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Thanks Qbee for the precisions. I don't believe in any conspiracy theory either , I don't think Myurray intentionally killed Michael. But i am still bafflled by the extent of his negligence / laziness- I think he was probably over self confident.
I still don't understand the use of such amounts of benzos. He lied to Michael, i'm wondering to which extent the lies went. That's what I meant.

Also, many posters seem to think that if Michael had gone to the hospital when he had the hot/cold symptoms - i'm not so sure it would have prevented ?

Oh, but I do believe Conrad Murray deliberately killed Michael Jackson.
Why are you all bent on making excuses for and being baffled by Murray's actions?
Just accept the obvious Murray's intent was to harm Michael Jackson, and he did.

 

[Bubs]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Oh, but I do believe Conrad Murray deliberately killed Michael Jackson.
Why are you all bent on making excuses for and being baffled by Murray's actions?
Just accept the obvious Murray's intent was to harm Michael Jackson, and he did.

I cannot understand your line of thinking, and I'm not mocking you or anything.
How did you come to that conclusion or what makes you think that?
Few pages earlier you were accusing AEG?

Are you after possible scenario that AEG and Murray are in this together, and AEG told Murray to murder Michael?
My problem with that is that Murray, if he had been paid to kill MJ, would have been quiet after his sentence, after 2 years in jail, he would be free, but he keep insisting that he did nothing wrong, and asking the court to test this and that that he didn't kill MJ. If AEG was behind, they would have told him to shut up and put up, in 2 years you are free to spend your money in Bahamas, but that is not the case, Murray keeps screaming he is innocent, trying to make a book deal and other crap.
You have to be honest, does Murray's actions tell you that he is in bed with AEG? To me he is just plain idiot and wouldn't be capable deliver such a sophisticated murder plot.