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What are the grounds for negligent hiring, that they shouldn't have hired a doctor in debt? That a doctor in debt may be inclined to be a doctor feelgood? That in itself is so easily flipped, that a person in debt would be keener to please the person paying their wages and do what they are supposed to ie. keep the patient healthy, safe and to attend rehearsals.
 
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Yeah, they should have checked his FICO score and gone with that, right?
 
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Agree with the above. the april date is key but i thought the judge through that part out anyway that aeg made murray do it. the case is about negligent hiring and nothing more.

The trial is based on negligent hiring AND SUPERVISION according to media reports and the original claims that the jackson side made. But then the judge in another part of her statement, where she dismisses that murray is an employee says, 'aeg couldn't exercise any control over how that task (turning up to reheasals) was to be accomplished' so i've no idea how the supervision part of this claim can go through.

The judge also says
"There is a triable issue of fact as to whether it was foreseeable that such a physician under strong financial pressure may compromise his Hippocratic Oath and do what was known by AEG Live's executives to be an unfortunate practice in the entertainment industry for financial gain," the judge wrote.

What is she on about? This administration of prop was totally unique to mj - noone else in the entertainment biz has acknowledged it's going on. Is she just talking about dr feelgoods who overprescribe? But mj didn't die, as alot of pop star do, of a drug overdose alone in his room, he died after being given an overdose from a doctor who was being paid to look after him - a really unusual situation. Doctors very rarely kill their patients in the entertainment world, they might overprescribe, but don't tend to be the ones with their hands on the injection needle. How on earth cd aeg foresee that?
 
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yes she's talking about Dr. Feelgoods that prescribe medicine that isn't needed, or overprescribing or even illegal drugs.
 
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I know that only one claim remains, but does anybody remember how many claims were in Mother's initial filing? Thanks.
 
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The conversation between MJ, PG, and MAW works against AEG b/c it shows PG offered CM 150k and he accepted--maybe that's the oral agreement that makes the judge agree that AEG did hire CM.

This trial is not going to help MJ or the kids, that's for sure, b/c it will dredge up the "longtime battle with addiction" and give people who already blame MJ for his own death more to go on. How will it help the kids, who should be proud of their dad, to have the world call him an addict??

Well, I guess we just have to ride it out.

About the comment from the dancer re MJ being fragile and out of shape, there was a program that discussed how he was training at a dance studio and the owner spoke about what great shape he was in--also his trainer Lou F. said the same thing, so I wonder how much this dancer can be relied on.

The other pressure was all the lawsuits MJ had on his plate at the time--including Ramone Bain and AllGood--it was a large # (maybe 15?). The family and KJ had a lot of nerve talking about pressure when Joe forced MJ to sign that L. Rowe was his manager and then files suit against AEG. The last thing MJ needed was more pressure to do shows with his brothers. He was trying to get back on his feet and the family just wanted a piece of the action. So sad. I hope AEG will go after them for their role but I think it will be hard with KJ sitting there in court. Nevertheless, I hope they prick her conscience for her role in this mess.
 
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I know that only one claim remains, but does anybody remember how many claims were in Mother's initial filing? Thanks.

5

conspiracy and emotional distress of Prince was dismissed at the first demurrer

and only 3 remained

judge dismissed breach of contract and respondeat superior claims at summary judgment

so only negligent hiring & supervision remains
 
“I think he was frightened [of] being judged again. He said during the [2005] Trial
‘I can’t believe that the world is doing this to me. I gave everything that I have and this is what I get in return?’ And when it really got down to standing up in front of an audience, all that fear, all that doubt, all that cruelty that people directed at him…he was afraid,
he didn’t wanna go through that again. He was very sad” ~KAREN FAYE

How I wish that Michael would have got a chance to stand up in front of an audience, with fans who loved him more or most
I wish he had a chance to show that he still was the greatest entertainer and people would be in ecstasy to see him perform
 
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The trial is based on negligent hiring AND SUPERVISION according to media reports and the original claims that the jackson side made. But then the judge in another part of her statement, where she dismisses that murray is an employee says, 'aeg couldn't exercise any control over how that task (turning up to reheasals) was to be accomplished' so i've no idea how the supervision part of this claim can go through.

The judge also says


What is she on about? This administration of prop was totally unique to mj - noone else in the entertainment biz has acknowledged it's going on. Is she just talking about dr feelgoods who overprescribe? But mj didn't die, as alot of pop star do, of a drug overdose alone in his room, he died after being given an overdose from a doctor who was being paid to look after him - a really unusual situation. Doctors very rarely kill their patients in the entertainment world, they might overprescribe, but don't tend to be the ones with their hands on the injection needle. How on earth cd aeg foresee that?

She is using words like "MAY" and "WHETHER IT WAS FORESEEABLE" so I read it as she thinks it should be put in front of a jury as a 'TRIABLE ISSUE OF FACT." However, we are not really dealing with facts but probabilities. Also how can you determine what is FORESEEABLE??? Are we going to use crystal balls here?
 
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Do we know if the supervision is to mean that AEG are accused of instructing CM on meds or not supervising what Murray was giving him? Sorry for the basic question.

Do we know when the judge will make her final ruling.
 
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Do we know when the judge will make her final ruling.

judge has made her final ruling. Today at least 2 other source (law journal and fox) has reported on it. The detailed written explanation just not on the online system yet.
 
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yes she's talking about Dr. Feelgoods that prescribe medicine that isn't needed, or overprescribing or even illegal drugs.

The entertainmnt world does have alot of deaths from drugs, but not usually homicide at the actual hands of a doctor. AEG showed that that they were trying to avoid these dr feelgoods in mj's life by allegedly trying to steer him away from dr klein, a doctor who did have a rep in hollywood as a dr feelgood.

She is using words like "MAY" and "WHETHER IT WAS FORESEEABLE" so I read it as she thinks it should be put in front of a jury as a 'TRIABLE ISSUE OF FACT." However, we are not really dealing with facts but probabilities. Also how can you determine what is FORESEEABLE??? Are we going to use crystal balls here?

Aeg are being sued for not having the benefit of hindsight i guess. I just feel that the cause of mj's death was just so unusual that it was the very definition of unforeseeable but maybe the judge (and the jacksons) want to widen it out and say mj drug overdosing from any drug was a distinct possibility, cd have been demoral or anything, idk.
 
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judge has made her final ruling. Today at least 2 other source (law journal and fox) has reported on it. The detailed written explanation just not on the online system yet.

Thank you, I was a little confused because of some headlines last week stating heading for trial and yet there was still that final ruling.
 
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The trial is based on negligent hiring AND SUPERVISION according to media reports and the original claims that the jackson side made. But then the judge in another part of her statement, where she dismisses that murray is an employee says, 'aeg couldn't exercise any control over how that task (turning up to reheasals) was to be accomplished' so i've no idea how the supervision part of this claim can go through.
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yeah. as usual the media have confused me with their contridictory statements about what was thrown out. so par ivy supervision is still included? so they can argue that AEG told murray to give dip etc?? yet in an article is has the judge stating that as murray didnt work for aeg they cant be held liable.
 
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The quicker this trial gets over and done with the better, but the only loser in this case will be Michael. :(
 
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tbj ill be surprised if there isnt a settlement
 
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I'm knowledgeable enough to answer your questions but here's some info to make sense of it

Definition of Negligent Hiring

One of the major problems facing employers in business and criminal justice is negligent hiring. This theory holds that employers who know or have reason to believe that a worker poses a threat to the public may be liable for the damages caused by that employee (Hunter 2002). Negligent hiring involves three main concepts:

An employer is held liable for the actions of their employers

An employer may be directly liable if it hires, with negligence, an applicant for employment that involves an unreasonable risk of injury to others (Ferguson 2003). Employers can be held liable for hiring an employee who later performs a prosecutable action on the basis that they placed the employee in a position that allowed the employed individual to execute their offense.

Negligent hiring is not the same as "Respondeat Superior"

Negligent hiring varies slightly from "respondeat superior". The respondeat superior doctrine only holds the employer liable for the wrongs or negligence of an employee acting within the scope of the employee's duties (Hunter 2002). In contrast, under the negligent hiring doctrine an employer may be liable for what is performed by the employee outside the scope of employment, when not at work or after work hours (Hunter 2002).

Negligent hiring is still applicable even with no statutes present

Negligent hiring is a concern for employers even if no statute mandates a background check for a particular position. The absence of such statues does not mean that investigation of the applicant is not required. A common law duty of reasonable care may actually obligate an employer to conduct a criminal record check or the use of other screening methods even without the presence of statues mandating employers to do so (Ferguson 2003).

Criteria for Negligent Hiring

For an employer to be held liable for the actions of their employees there are a few sets of criteria to be examined in order to determine if their actions are in direct relation to their hiring.

An employment relationship must be present

Primarily, there must be an employment relationship in existence (Hunter 2002). This requires the individual to be hired under the requirements for the employment as established by the employer. The relationship between the employer and employee must be work related.

Failure to find history of similar behavior of the applicant.

In order for an plaintiff to sue an employer for negligent hiring, they must show that the company failed to determine that the employee had a history of similar behavior. The wrongful actions performed by the employee must be consistent with the dangerous propensity he or she exhibited on prior occasions (Ferguson 2003). An example of this criterion was apparent in the case of Reed vs. Kelly. In this case, a security guard sexually assaulted a woman at the building where he worked, but the court granted summary judgment to the employer. The reasoning was that although the guard had been charged five years earlier in connection with a domestic violence incident and fired from a previous job three years earlier after a fight with a coworker, these offenses were not consistent with sexual assault of a stranger (Ferguson 2003). Had they been consistent, the judgment may have differed finding the employer liable.

Lacking investigations

What really starts the negligent hiring cycle involves the investigation, or lack of investigation, regarding potential employees. An employer's failure to investigate the background and training of an applicant may later be held against the employer in the court of law if the employee performs illegal actions that stems from their employment (Hunter 2002). If certain factors are revealed in the employment application process or during interviews with the applicant, these should lead an employer to further investigate into the applicant's background; particularly his or her criminal record. These factors include things such as short-term residencies, gaps in employment or admissions of criminal convictions (Hunter 2002). Without further examination of these red flags, liability may follow if the individual commits torturous or criminal acts after being hired.

Lack of actions by the employer following discovery of pertinent information

An employer may also need to focus on their actions following the discovery of information found on an individual. The Idaho Supreme Court ruled that a company's failure to inquire about a prospective employee's previous termination and its employee assistance program's failure to alert staff when it learned the employee might pose a danger were sufficient evidence to support a negligent hiring claim (Hunter 2002). The employer may be found liable if a they are aware of an employee whom may pose a danger and does nothing to terminate this employee, and harm subsequently is done. An example of this was present in the Doe vs. Garcia case. Following a review by the hospital of his application, including contact with one of his past employers, which revealed nothing out of the ordinary, Garcia was hired. Shortly following his hiring, Garcia was reprimanded for encouraging underage drinking at the work place. He had also developed a relationship with a patient at the hospital he was working at, which carried over past Garcia's termination from the hospital. During this period of time, Garcia began sexually molesting the patient who was a minor at the time. The victim's parents sued against Garcia and the hospital who had hired him. The court ruled at the Supreme Court level in Idaho that there was sufficient evidence to support the negligent hiring. The reason for this action was following Garcia's reprimand for the underage drinking encouragement, he had met with employees assistance program (EAP) for what he termed "being quite preoccupied with sex." During these sessions, Garcia admitted to a counselor that he had been terminated from a previous job for sexually molesting a patient. Staff with EAPs were directly employed by the hospital, but they did not share Garcia's admission with the hospital's management (Hunter 2002). The wrongful acts later carried out by Garcia may not have occurred had his termination followed the revelation of his molestation background.

Hiring of independent contractors

A major issue arises with liability when companies begin hiring out for services. When using independent contractors, few companies screen contract workers. Few client firms even require that the contractors they are hiring conduct background checks on their employees or subcontractors (Hunter 2002). The common reason for this is that ordinarily, employers are not held legally liable for the acts of independent contractors. In the case of Birrell v. Indiana Auto Sales & Repair, the court indicated that an employer is not usually liable for the negligence of an independent contractor, but noted exceptions to this (Hunter 2002). Liability can occur in instances where the contract requires the performance of intrinsically dangerous work or where the principal is by law or contract charged with performing the specific duty that caused the injury. Gleckman (1999) mentions that liability may also arise if the duties required by the contract workers undergo ratification by the employer, changing the original requirements of the hired contractor. In another court ruling, Camargo vs. Tjaarda Dairy, in California, the court felt that it is the responsibility of the hirer to select a competent and careful independent contractor and would be held liable for unlawful acts done by the contract workers.

Nature of the Job

A great number of courts feel that the investigations that should take place prior to hiring an individual must be reasonable in terms of the job the individual is applying for. The employer should consider the potential risk, harm, or injury that may occur to third parties if hiring the individual and conduct background investigations accordingly (Hunter 2002). What is meant by this standard involves the real risk of harm involved in certain industries as opposed to others. Industries that employ particularly vulnerable agents, such as day care or elder care may necessitate higher standards in reviewing backgrounds as opposed to other industries such as retail or engineering (Hunter 2002). Law enforcement, employers should take similar precautions to those in day or elder care. Employers hiring in the criminal justice system should consider the entities being placed at risk by hiring certain individuals. Criminal justice and protective service officials are placed in a position requiring them to care for not only the company they are working for but also society.

http://www.ifpo.org/articlebank/bad_apples.html
 
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thanks ivy thats a great help. so i guess it comes down to mainly whether AEG should have known murray could be a danger and if they thought he could be a danger they should have done background checks. i guess thats why the family are pushing the druggie angle and saying aeg should have know murray was potentially dangerous cause of mjs past in 93 and gongaware is involved because he should have known given past history. basically any dr around mj was potentally dangerous using their argument and could have killed mj with is abit of a sterotype to say the least

but as we discussed there was nothing in murrays past that would be a red flag other than the fact he was a dr that was working for mj but the judge thinks all pop stars with drs on a tour are druggies and the family are using mjs past in 93 to support the argument that AEG shuld have known. yet how does that work with the families argument that AEG controlled murray? if they made him get and give dip. its a contridiction.

i guess it comes down to the jury firstly agreeing that AEg hired murray and secondly because of mjs past AEG should have known that murray was doing something bad to mj and should have stepped in and whether AEG didn or didnt look into murrays past.but then u get into the relms of could AEG sack murray anyway and mj was the one who wanted him etc.

it seems both sides are going through the motions of throwing mj under the bus and one side is calling him a raving druggie who was gonna die anyone and it wasnt our fault and the other side is going down the route of he was a raving druggie and AEG should have known because of mjs history and as soon as dr came on board they should have been questioning things. like ivy says who knows with a jury i just hope if the family win its a measly amount (for them) and they spend it all within a few months and are back at square one needing money for the rest of their lives
 
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well honestly I don't blame AEG but I do think with MJ's history and him being away from touring for years that AEG should've inquired what exactly Murray was treating MJ for that needed a salary of $150,000 per month. If MJ was so healthy according to the doctor who gave him his physical why was a doctor even needed
 
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The key to possibly win this lawsuit against AEG is pushing "Michael is the well known long time drug addict" murray's action is foreseeable so AEG is negligent in hiring Murray. No wonder the Jacksons who barely saw Michael have been pushing this agenda on TV for years. I am wondering how Paris will feel about this trial consider she called "Michael was the druggie" a lie.
 
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The key to possibly win this lawsuit against AEG is pushing "Michael is the well known long time drug addict" murray's action is foreseeable so AEG shouldn't agree to hire Murray. No wonder the Jacksons who barely saw Michael have been pushing this agenda on TV for years. I am wondering how Paris will feel about this trial consider she called "Michael was the druggie" a lie.

why would Michael being "well known long time drug addict" make it foreseeable? You had Cheryln Lee and Alan Metzger testifying they didn't give Michael propofol even though he asked.
 
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why would Michael being "well known long time drug addict" make it foreseeable? You had Cheryln Lee and Alan Metzger testifying they didn't give Michael propofol even though he asked.
A drug addict with a Doctor feel good should rise the red flag. It's up to the jury to decide.
 
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Logically its not fore seeable as then it would be a case of everytime mj saw a dr that ment something dodgy was going on which is reaching to say the least but i guess thats why they are going down the gongaware route and 93. not necess about diprivan but just about drugs in general. as soon as a mj wanted a dr then AEG should have known that considering the past something unhealthy was going on. its a reach but it seems to be the families argument considering the way they have acted the last four years.

hope the kids dont get brainwashed.
 
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why would Michael being "well known long time drug addict" make it foreseeable? You had Cheryln Lee and Alan Metzger testifying they didn't give Michael propofol even though he asked.

I guess KJ's lawyers will argue it was forseeable that IF AEG knew Michael used propofol after concerts on the HIStory tour to sleep, he would want to do the same again and that he would keep trying until he found someone.

Personally, I think it's a longshot that AEG knew about prior propofol use, although possibly Gongaware did (??), but even if you saw IV stands around, etc, IV stands are used for many things, such as hydration, nutritional supplements, etc.

The problem is both Murray and Michael were not telling AEG about the propofol use, which was (as musikfactory showed) going on in April before the May oral contract/negotiations with CM.

Seems like the trial will focus on 1) AEG's knowledge of prior propofol use in other tours, and 2) Ortega's email and the response emails.

Apparently, Murray is on the witness list--I HATE THIS!!!
 
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A drug addict with a Doctor feel good should rise the red flag. It's up to the jury to decide.

and what evidence AEG had as of May 2009 that Murray was a doctor feel good?
 
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Very true. there was none. thats why the family are pushing the angle they are. they hope the jury will be tainted and think mj was such a raving druggie Aeg should have known as soon as a dr arrived on the scene along with the gongaware argument. the more time goes on this case seems to be less about who hired who and the arguments around that
 
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and what evidence AEG had as of May 2009 that Murray was a doctor feel good?
You know when the "druggie" specificly ask the certain doctor being his personal physician. the fact murray killed michael, the jury may already have such impression about this doctor in spite of the afterthought. Other factors like murry's finance, Murray asked CPR machine, Michael looked off some days, his losing weight, his absence of rehearsals, the emails, michael's drug history, the unconfirmed propofol use on history tour... It maybe a bit reaching to some fans in here. But i believe Katherine lawyers will well manipulate these things to prove their point in front of the jury.
 
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agree. forget the bus mj will be thrown under a 10 ton truck

You know when the "druggie" specificly ask the certain doctor being his personal physician. the fact murray killed michael, the jury may already have such impression about this doctor in spite of the afterthought. Other factors like murry's finance, Murray asked CPR machine, Michael looked off some days, his losing weight, his absence of rehearsals, the emails, michael's drug history, the unconfirmed propofol use on history tour... It maybe a bit reaching to some fans in here. But i believe Katherine lawyers will well manipulate these things to prove their point in front of the jury.
 
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Am I correct in saying the only charge remaining is Negligent hiring? How is that one worded ?
also in saying the judge said AEG can not be held responsible for Murrays actions in MJ's death?

People on facebook are acting like AEG is going to be found guilty of some conspiracy of direct involvment in MJ's murder.
before I reply I would like to understand the charge better and what it means ?

Also Can someone post all the charges Jacksons brought to the table and bold the one that remains.
 
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