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I think they are. There are 4 women from his Vegas office on the list.
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Sorry, I meant Houston not Vegas! They are LaQuisha Middleton and her sister, LaQuanda Middleton! The two women who allegedly went to Murray's Houston storage unit and removed boxes on June 25th! They are not on the list!
 
bluetopez said:

Sorry, I meant Houston not Vegas! They are LaQuisha Middleton and her sister, LaQuanda Middleton! The two women who allegedly went to Murray's Houston storage unit and removed boxes on June 25th! They are not on the list!
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I agree, they should be on the list. Wasn't the storage unit manager interviewed also? I remember that vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqmoB4btOU

 
Michael's children would be called for witnesses because they were in the house during the time of Michael's death. I honestly doubt that the family would let them take the stand, but who knows, they might actually have valuable information to help this case.
 
well if the Jacksons are witnesses it's their own fault.. That's what happens when you throw your son/brother under the bus and call him an addict even though he was clean. .MJ was killed and to have his own family throw him under the bus like they did was hurtful. I would like to see Randy, Janet, Joe and Katherine grilled on the stand.
 
kindofdisco said:
Michael's children would be called for witnesses because they were in the house during the time of Michael's death. I honestly doubt that the family would let them take the stand, but who knows, they might actually have valuable information to help this case.
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The family has no say so if they are called or not.. All three of them know Murray. Murray came over to their house, and they were aware that he was their father's doctor. I don't see how them being called as witnesses could be avoided. The family need to be called for the purpose of showing how greedy and unconcerned they were for their son/brother who they thought had a problem. For a man who had an alleged drug problem his family certainly didn't seem to care about him or his children since they did nothing to help him.
 
ivy;3334717 said:
Possible witnesses

Roselyn Muhammad - MJ’s kids nanny
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Roselyn is also said to be his personal assistant according to the official This is it site. However, all other reports said she (since I assume she is Sister Rose) was the kids nanny.. but i guess it really doesnt matter since she is not totally unknown for us

http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php
 
elusive moonwalker said:
etok is that loony who claimed mj asked her to his his baby. claims she was asked or was gonna get diprivan when in the uk. as dodgy as hell
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Dr. Etok posed as MJJ confident to the media, and as long term MJJ friend. Now, if she and MJJ knew each other, he would have known that she is NOT medical doctor, thus, he wouldn't ask her to get diprivan or any medication for that matter :smilerolleyes:
She really made her self look stupid in those interviews, stooped to the level of long string of low life bastards ( we know who they are)
 
I love how fans love to say how "clean" Michael was, when we know he was a former addict. Guys, he's not a terrible person for being addicted to pain killers, he went through some truly horrific stuff in his time and I'm actually amazed that he wasn't on something stronger. He was a fighter, that's for sure. At the end of the day, Murray didn't just show up at his house and start injecting him with drugs against Michael's own free will. Somebody had to set that up in the first place, and we know that Michael was worried about his performance levels and how little sleep he was getting. To me, I can see that progression from asking for something to help him sleep, to what happened on the night of his death. Murray is of course to blame for the lethal dose, but just remember why he was even hired in the first place.
 
Murray was hired to take care of MJ, not kill him. Not pump him full with medication (not painkillers, because no amount of painkillers or narcotics were found in his system) and propofol. He didn't ask being abandoned in there and left to die, he didn't ask not being tended to. He asked for someone to take care of him, at the end of the day. For a doctor to monitor his sleep and help him sleep. Otherwise, he would've self-prescribed and done over-the-counter things. His mind was filled with creativity for the tour, so it was very much the responsibility of his doctor to monitor his health and all that. Insomnia is one difficult ailment to suffer from, that even if the patient asks for this and that, the responsibility of his doctor is to take care of his patient, becasue the patient is in very a vulnerable state, and the next day, he has to be at the rehearsals. Murray didn't even have a breathing monitoring equipment, claimed he didn't know how to perform PCR, he did absolutely nothing to at least ensure that his sedated patient was breathing. None of us here know what exactly Murray did that night, but everyone knows is that it was something really bad and irrational, and that Michael didn't ask to die. Nor that he was an addict, just a few months prior to that, his blood tests only revealing a lower blood sugar.
 
And I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying that in order to for Murray to be there in the first place, Michael would've had to make the decision that he wanted a doctor to give him something to help him sleep. It was purely Murray's fault for the overdose, but Michael didn't just come home that night, pass out and have Murray with an evil grin on his face as he started to inject him with whatever. Murray was definitely out of line as a Doctor, he should've known that the dosage was lethal, and more so he shouldn't have answered to Michael's wishes that clearly were going to lead to the end we all saw.

All I'm saying is that for someone like Michael who had been addicted to certain drugs to take away pain or help him sleep, it was probably not a good choice to fall back on those at the time.
 
jrsfan said:
I agree, they should be on the list. Wasn't the storage unit manager interviewed also? I remember that vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqmoB4btOU
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That video proves why they should be on that list! One says her sister didn't move boxes or vials, but something else that has to do with needles and then the other says she only moved a chair! lol PLEASE!
 
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noirnoar said:
Dr. Etok posed as MJJ confident to the media, and as long term MJJ friend. Now, if she and MJJ knew each other, he would have known that she is NOT medical doctor, thus, he wouldn't ask her to get diprivan or any medication for that matter :smilerolleyes:
She really made her self look stupid in those interviews, stooped to the level of long string of low life bastards ( we know who they are)
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She added to have six family members who are in medical professions, including a brother who is

a dentist, and that it was the reason why MJ asked her.
 
Thome Ramses is Thome's real name? Was this common knowledge?
 
"Covert" WTF...why use that word? o_O lol

Michael had real medical issues that require certain medicines that can have side effects! Ever thought of that as a reason why his behavior was off at times?! Geez! SMFH

I really don't see how referring to a none bias autopsy report to say MJ is no addict as being something wrong with fans! lol-_-

Now saying he ain't no angel because u think he was an addict...now that is a problem! What exactly is that suppose to mean?! SMH
 
I'm not the one getting worked up here, haha!

Good Lord I am done with this. Fans are impossible. To quote you....SMH.

;)
 
I have problem, with people that do NOT see things as they are, but as they wish to be. I don't know does it ring bell to you, but doctor bear a lot of responsibility. Murray saw Michael as commodity, as a financial security, shot him with prescription "cocktail" medications, and snapped at Ortega telling them that Michael was fine, when he wasn't. And for what? For $$$. I have problem with that. Doctor playing god, I have problem with that. Doctor knowingly doing illegal procedure on the patients, I have problem with that. He knew what he was doing. Murray was a doctor for crying out loud, the man has over 25 years service in medical field.
 
Vici said:
Roselyn is also said to be his personal assistant according to the official This is it site. However, all other reports said she (since I assume she is Sister Rose) was the kids nanny.. but i guess it really doesnt matter since she is not totally unknown for us

http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php
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I also see Dr Tohme R. Tohme Michael Jackson Personal Advisor. Wasn't he fired?
 
bluetopez said:
So I take it u ain't one? Yes "SMH" glad u know what it means! LMAO
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Yeah that's what I interpreted that statement to mean too; that member ain't one to say what she/he did. Sure sounds andl looks that way anyways!
 
kindofdisco said:
I love how fans love to say how "clean" Michael was, when we know he was a former addict. Guys, he's not a terrible person for being addicted to pain killers, he went through some truly horrific stuff in his time and I'm actually amazed that he wasn't on something stronger. He was a fighter, that's for sure. At the end of the day, Murray didn't just show up at his house and start injecting him with drugs against Michael's own free will. Somebody had to set that up in the first place, and we know that Michael was worried about his performance levels and how little sleep he was getting. To me, I can see that progression from asking for something to help him sleep, to what happened on the night of his death. Murray is of course to blame for the lethal dose, but just remember why he was even hired in the first place.
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Former is the operative word. And, what I cannot stand is fans who feel it necessary to come in every thread whether dealing with the topic or not and offer up their 2 cents about why they think MJ was an addict. We have so much information at this time from biased and unbiased sources that say MJ was not an addict or even dependent on painkillers when he died, including an autopsy report that showed those things were not even in his system. But then some people choose to still cast aside all of that information to suit what they want to believe, since we all know the tabloids are always right, don't we? We don't have any unbiased sources to support your theory. Yet you have the gall to turn your noses up at fans who have the sense enough to know how to read and come to a logical conclusion based on the facts at the time as opposed to what YOU personally feel went down. How condesending and how ignorant to think that any fan who disagrees with you automatically thinks MJ was superhuman and made no mistakes.

As of what we know now, MJ was not an addict at the time of his death. So no matter how much you want to believe he was, and how you came to your conclusions, it's irrelevant. The talk is not allowed here.

End of story.
 
Yeah, this arrogance thrown at a dead man, in spite of all the evidence (yeah, actual evidence that he wasn't addicted to anything, he couldn't sleep and relied on his doctor to help him with that), and given that he's not even here to represent himself as the ultimate victim at this trial, is just..Really, how many times has this route been trodden and exhausted? ..
 
If MJ was an addict, why the hell didn't the 25 year cardiologist pick up on it? Did he do any tests that showed that MJ was taking loads of drugs? I want to know what kind of pre-testing or exams did Murray perform on MJ
 
ginvid said:
Former is the operative word. And, what I cannot stand is fans who feel it necessary to come in every thread whether dealing with the topic or not and offer up their 2 cents about why they think MJ was an addict. We have so much information at this time from biased and unbiased sources that say MJ was not an addict or even dependent on painkillers when he died, including an autopsy report that showed those things were not even in his system. But then some people choose to still cast aside all of that information to suit what they want to believe, since we all know the tabloids are always right, don't we? We don't have any unbiased sources to support your theory. Yet you have the gall to turn your noses up at fans who have the sense enough to know how to read and come to a logical conclusion based on the facts at the time as opposed to what YOU personally feel went down. How condesending and how ignorant to think that any fan who disagrees with you automatically thinks MJ was superhuman and made no mistakes.

As of what we know now, MJ was not an addict at the time of his death. So no matter how much you want to believe he was, and how you came to your conclusions, it's irrelevant. The talk is not allowed here.

End of story.
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Just wanted to say Exactly and thank u! :)
 
I cringe just thinking of any member of that family getting up on that stand. Janet in particular laughing and giggling calling her brother a drug addict is not a good look. Katherine stating she 'didn't believe him' when he said Mom I'm not taking anything. His brothers stating they 'knew' of a problem yet did nothing to help him. I just cringe at the thought of it all
 
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