Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Tygger]

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LaPerruque said it was hot and humid that day in Orlando and he does not know when was the last time MJ ate or drank anything.
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Chang asked if there was a mention of low blood sugar in the report. Defendant's attorney objected based on hearsay and judge sustained it.

Magic.


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Briggs: If he didn't make any money there would be no profit for him to donate.
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Strong: If he didn't make money from those tours, would he donate money?
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Briggs said he relied on Gongaware's testimony that MJ's tours lost money or broke even, since the actual amount is normally confidential.

Self explanatory.


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Email on May 28 from Wooley to Murray said doctor's contract was delayed because it was rare event physician engaged to go on tour.
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Wooley said he does not remember if he asked Dr. Murray his bank account number.
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Wooley doesn't remember the email and doesn't know what "my services are already fully engaged" meant.
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Email from Murray on May 15, 2009:
As for good faith w/ my client... I'm sure you're aware my services are already fully engaged with MJ.
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Boyle showed an email Wooley sent to Dr. Murray on May 14, 2009. It says he was following up with Dr. Murray.

I wonder if AEG had Klein's bank account? Probably not as Klein was paid through an advance.

It has been quite some time since I heard an AEG employee testify to not remembering an email and/or not understanding simple terms said by them or directed to them in those forgotten emails.

I am baffled as to how the defense felt Wooley's deposition helped their case.

 

[Bubs]

I find it "interesting" that AEG has chosen to try to damage Michael's character, but not offer proof that Michael was the one to "hire" Murray. By that, I mean any provable documentation that Michael was the employer, i.e. written material such as emails from Michael, or even his signature on a contract. Lacking that, they are going for character assassination. This was also the agenda, and the tactics, of Murray's trial. Didn't work, there. So, like Murray's trial, this is all over-the-place, but in the end, a jury must decide, and that has as much to do with emotion, as it does with the law. . . .

Defense barely started presenting their side, so who knows if they indeed have some documentation.

 

[Bubs]

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Katherine Jackson is present in court, wearing a long jacket in a green and pink water color print of tulips.

and no sign of needing naps or being tired. She only felt tired when she was gross-examined.
Will see if she is going to need another nap time when AEG calls her.
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Chang: Did you ever raise concerns to Dr. Farshchian you thought he overprescribed medication?
LaPerruque: Yes

Is it me or is he over-stepping his duties here? Earlier he testified:
"Putnam asked if LaPerruque spoke with MJ's family members or business associates. "I didn't believe it was my place to do that," he said."
and from earlier testimony:
"LaPerruque said speaking with MJ about it would be crossing the line. Even though he developed close relationship, needed to have a distance. LaPerruque: There are some professional lines you don't cross and I think it was not my place."

So he talked to nanny Grace and MJ's doctors about medicines described to MJ, but not to MJ as he saw it as crossing the line?
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"Chang: Would it be fair to say that throughout the years you worked for MJ you never saw him overdose?
LaPerruque: Yes
At one point, LaPerruque and Rwamba had a system to try to stop doctors to overprescribe drugs to MJ."

Good answer but his next reply undid the good in the previous reply. He never saw MJ overdosing, but he was worried enough to raise a concern with 2 doctors and Grace. I'm starting to understand why Grace is gone missing and her missing is beneficial to plaintiffs. I wonder what and if KJ and others talked to her that she decided to go India or where ever she is gone?
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Chang: Did you ever know there was an intervention?
LaPerruque: No.

Huh! The way plaintiffs lawyer is asking questions, makes me think that now Jackson's are going to deny their intervention talk?
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The head security said he learned Bain became MJ's manager in 2006. She was the CEO/president of MJJ Productions. She signed his contract.
Chang asked if LaPerruque noticed there was a transition with Bain's position at the time he wasn't paid. He said he didn't know.

I fail to see where plaintiffs are going with these questions? What Bain has got to do with anything?
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[Bubs]

Briggs said Erk's projection is "significantly in excess of MJ's prior tours & significantly in excess of imaginary tours Panish calculated"

I had a good laugh at their choice of word, imaginary tours
I certainly agree with defence about MJ's future tours. If he didn't do that amount of tours when he was young and able to, there is no chance that he would have done tours that plaintiffs were "imagining".

Overall, good comeback from Briggs, specially when he mentions that what was planned in early proposition and before anyone signed agreement.
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Regarding shows in Japan and India, Gongaware was planning 4 shows in India. Briggs said Erk projected 60 shows in India.
Gongaware planned 8 shows in Japan plus 1 private for a total of 9 shows, versus Mr. Erk's projection of 50 shows in Japan, Briggs

A little bit of exaggeration or "imaginary" concerts from Erks side
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Briggs said he relied on Gongaware's testimony that MJ's tours lost money or broke even, since the actual amount is normally confidential.
Strong: If he didn't make money from those tours, would he donate money?
riggs: If he didn't make any money there would be no profit for him to donate.

Are they suggesting that MJ donating money to charity was publicity stunt and no money was donated at all?
Does anyone knows how this can be verified?
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Outside the presence of the jury, Putnam told Judge Yvette Palazuelos that Panish threatened Briggs during the break.
Putnam said Panish told Briggs "you're lucky we're in court." "I can't have my witness threatened, you honor," Putnam said.
Panish said the events were not quite like that. He told the judge Briggs ran him over, said "this witness ran me over".
Judge laughed and said "I'd be surprised if anyone can run you over, Mr. Panish." Panish said he didn't touch or hit him.
Judge: Mr. Panish, don't talk to any witness unless you're talking about this case.
Panish: I didn't threat him, he's not afraid, he'd know if I threatened him.
and
Panish addressed the judge: Your honor, I ask that Mr. Putnam stop making comments.
Judge: I already said I'm not going to babysit the two of you. Jury didn't laugh this time around.

Seriously! Now Panish is behaving like 10 year old shcool yard bully, and judge just laughs it off? Maybe she got a hint when jury didn't laugh at her joke.

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Panish: Do you know he recorded 100 new songs between 2001 and 2008 for new release?
Briggs: I did not know that.

Now we have something to wait for, if we trust Panish' source (Randy)
I wonder if he knows whether those songs are ready for release or what is the state of them?

 

[Justthefacts]

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The 2001-2004 period was the time MJ was trying to quit addiction to drug use, wanted his family away from Neverland, LaPerruque said.


IMO this shows he was not in denial about a damn thing and was trying to handle his problem and keep stress (his family) away from him because they would have made it worst

 

[ivy]

I find it "interesting" that AEG has chosen to try to damage Michael's character, but not offer proof that Michael was the one to "hire" Murray. By that, I mean any provable documentation that Michael was the employer, i.e. written material such as emails from Michael, or even his signature on a contract. Lacking that, they are going for character assassination.

It looks like Timm Wooley and Kathy Jorrie will be put on the stand for "was murray hired / who hired him" and they will go with no signed contract means no contract route.

I fail to see where plaintiffs are going with these questions? What Bain has got to do with anything?

Parobably to argue that Michael had money, did not have money problems but it was Bain who did not make the payments for whatever reason.

 

[Justthefacts]

Not the first time we have heard that about Bain. But it seems like she always got paid

 

[Big Apple2]

Chang: Did you ever raise concerns to Dr. Farshchian you thought he overprescribed medication?
LaPerruque: Yes

"Chang: Would it be fair to say that throughout the years you worked for MJ you never saw him overdose?
LaPerruque: Yes

At one point, LaPerruque and Rwamba had a system to try to stop doctors to overprescribe drugs to MJ."

Thanks for the update Bubs.

I too find Bodyguard Mike's answers to be odd.

Also, why would he and Nanny Grace need to devise an "overprescribe system?" I mean, he testified that he never saw Michael surrounded by a bunch of pill bottles.

Could his concern have come from hotel doctors Michael would request?

Yeah, it appears the Grace has "apparently" hit the road.

Speaking of MISSING WITNESSES, where's Miss Rebbie - is she feeling any better?

I can only shake my head at some of the family members. On the one hand they are screaming about the truth and justice, but when it's time for them to put up, they are no where to be found.

I have a feeling, that "some" of the family members didn't think the case would actually get this far. Just a feeling, nothing more.

 

[ivy]

I can only shake my head at some of the family members. On the one hand they are screaming about the truth and justice, but when it's time for them to put up, they are no where to be found.

Jackson family members are being called by AEG which shows AEG thinks their testimony is going to help AEG's case. That might be a reason to try to avoid testimony.

 

[Bubs]

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The 2001-2004 period was the time MJ was trying to quit addiction to drug use, wanted his family away from Neverland, LaPerruque said.

IMO this shows he was not in denial about a damn thing and was trying to handle his problem and keep stress (his family) away from him because they would have made it worst

Tell that to Janet:
Oprah Winfrey sat down with Janet Jackson for Friday’s “The Oprah Winfrey Show” where the pop singer opened up about her late brother, Michael.

“One thing that sticks in my head is his laughter,” Janet told Oprah, recalling fondly her late brother, who passed away last June at the age of 50 of acute Propofol intoxication. “And, the last time I saw him, which was two days before my birthday (which was on May 16), at my parents’ surprise party, I was being silly, like I always did when we were kids… and he kept looking at me a just cracking up.”
Six weeks after Janet’s birthday, Michael was dead. Appearing on Friday’s “Oprah,” to promote “Why Did I Get Married Too,” Janet got revealing about her brother.
“When you heard that he was gone, and gone because of drugs, were you shocked, or were you feeling like somewhere in the back of your mind, you always felt that that day could come?” Oprah asked.
“I felt that day could possibly come. I think everyone thinks that who has a family member or a friend…” Janet said.
“That’s why you’re having an intervention,” Oprah interjected.
“Exactly,” Janet continued.
Janet told Oprah about repeated attempts to save Michael from his addiction to prescription medications, including full on Jackson Family interventions.
“And how did he receive that?” Oprah asked.
“He was very much in denial,” Janet said.
“He didn’t think he had a problem?” Oprah asked.
“No,” Janet said.
“Were you all worried that something like this could happen?” Oprah asked.
“Of course,” Janet answered. “I mean that’s why we did what we did. I mean, we tried it several times and he was very much… in denial.”


Btw, I find Janet's interview very damaging to plaintiffs if defense plays it to the jury. Plaintiffs are showing that MJ would have lived forever and going concerts up to age of 65 among other things in order to get big award, but most family members said they feared that MJ would overdose anytime, in their mind it was strong possibility. By their own statements, they are supporting Briggs and other AEG expert witness testimonies about life expectancy and other calculations related.
Talking about yapping too much and then it comes and bites them in the butt.

 

[Big Apple2]

Jackson family members are being called by AEG which shows AEG thinks their testimony is going to help AEG's case. That might be a reason to try to avoid testimony.

Totally agree.

I must admit that when this case first started I "thought" we would have seen a flurry of Michael's siblings taking the witness stand in order to testify as to what they knew. In the very beginning "some" of them were claiming to KNOW this, that, and the other thing.

I figured that one of them, at least one of them, would testify as to why they continue to call Murray the Fall Guy. Time to spill on "MR. BIG, (the person calling all of the shots)" and I ain't talking about Ron Isley.

 

[jaydom7]

so now Perreque didn't know of an intervention when he claimed last week Randy came to Neverland in a helicopter for an intervention???? I am so confused:bugeyed

 

[ivy]

so now Perreque didn't know of an intervention when he claimed last week Randy came to Neverland in a helicopter for an intervention???? I am so confused:bugeyed

LOL. Neither Michael or Randy used the word "intervention". Michael said to him his family would come to speak to him and he doesn't want to speak to them. Randy said to him he wanted to see Michael. So that means some way he learned or assumed the talk was about medicine use.

 

[Big Apple2]

Thanks Bubs. You're on fire this morning. LOL!

I was just thinking about Janet's Oprah interview the other day, wherein she had Tyler Perry sitting next to her basically co-signing everything she said. Like he was some sort of expert.

I (and others) had said way, way back that all of those interviews would come back and bite folks right on their rigtheous butts.

 

[Justthefacts]

Thanks for the update Bubs.

I too find Bodyguard Mike's answers to be odd.

Also, why would he and Nanny Grace need to devise an "overprescribe system?" I mean, he testified that he never saw Michael surrounded by a bunch of pill bottles.

Could his concern have come from hotel doctors Michael would request?

Yeah, it appears the Grace has "apparently" hit the road.

Speaking of MISSING WITNESSES, where's Miss Rebbie - is she feeling any better?

I can only shake my head at some of the family members. On the one hand they are screaming about the truth and justice, but when it's time for them to put up, they are no where to be found.

I have a feeling, that "some" of the family members didn't think the case would actually get this far. Just a feeling, nothing more.

It could have hotel doctors tend to be more worried about getting paid

 

[jaydom7]

Tell that to Janet:
Oprah Winfrey sat down with Janet Jackson for Friday’s “The Oprah Winfrey Show” where the pop singer opened up about her late brother, Michael.

“One thing that sticks in my head is his laughter,” Janet told Oprah, recalling fondly her late brother, who passed away last June at the age of 50 of acute Propofol intoxication. “And, the last time I saw him, which was two days before my birthday (which was on May 16), at my parents’ surprise party, I was being silly, like I always did when we were kids… and he kept looking at me a just cracking up.”
Six weeks after Janet’s birthday, Michael was dead. Appearing on Friday’s “Oprah,” to promote “Why Did I Get Married Too,” Janet got revealing about her brother.
“When you heard that he was gone, and gone because of drugs, were you shocked, or were you feeling like somewhere in the back of your mind, you always felt that that day could come?” Oprah asked.
“I felt that day could possibly come. I think everyone thinks that who has a family member or a friend…” Janet said.
“That’s why you’re having an intervention,” Oprah interjected.
“Exactly,” Janet continued.
Janet told Oprah about repeated attempts to save Michael from his addiction to prescription medications, including full on Jackson Family interventions.
“And how did he receive that?” Oprah asked.
“He was very much in denial,” Janet said.
“He didn’t think he had a problem?” Oprah asked.
“No,” Janet said.
“Were you all worried that something like this could happen?” Oprah asked.
“Of course,” Janet answered. “I mean that’s why we did what we did. I mean, we tried it several times and he was very much… in denial.”


Btw, I find Janet's interview very damaging to plaintiffs if defense plays it to the jury. Plaintiffs are showing that MJ would have lived forever and going concerts up to age of 65 among other things in order to get big award, but most family members said they feared that MJ would overdose anytime, in their mind it was strong possibility. By their own statements, they are supporting Briggs and other AEG expert witness testimonies about life expectancy and other calculations related.
Talking about yapping too much and then it comes and bites them in the butt.

Janet should have been ashamed of herself during this interview.. At the time Murray was being investigated and charges were pending yet his own sister was blabbing off at the mouth about addiction and interventions and him being in denial. It appears to me that MJ wasn't in denial and that he was trying to help himself. If Janet would've been more concerned about MJ and not going years without contact with him maybe she would've known this, because her Mother sure did.

 

[Justthefacts]

Tell that to Janet:
Oprah Winfrey sat down with Janet Jackson for Friday’s “The Oprah Winfrey Show” where the pop singer opened up about her late brother, Michael.

“One thing that sticks in my head is his laughter,” Janet told Oprah, recalling fondly her late brother, who passed away last June at the age of 50 of acute Propofol intoxication. “And, the last time I saw him, which was two days before my birthday (which was on May 16), at my parents’ surprise party, I was being silly, like I always did when we were kids… and he kept looking at me a just cracking up.”
Six weeks after Janet’s birthday, Michael was dead. Appearing on Friday’s “Oprah,” to promote “Why Did I Get Married Too,” Janet got revealing about her brother.
“When you heard that he was gone, and gone because of drugs, were you shocked, or were you feeling like somewhere in the back of your mind, you always felt that that day could come?” Oprah asked.
“I felt that day could possibly come. I think everyone thinks that who has a family member or a friend…” Janet said.
“That’s why you’re having an intervention,” Oprah interjected.
“Exactly,” Janet continued.
Janet told Oprah about repeated attempts to save Michael from his addiction to prescription medications, including full on Jackson Family interventions.
“And how did he receive that?” Oprah asked.
“He was very much in denial,” Janet said.
“He didn’t think he had a problem?” Oprah asked.
“No,” Janet said.
“Were you all worried that something like this could happen?” Oprah asked.
“Of course,” Janet answered. “I mean that’s why we did what we did. I mean, we tried it several times and he was very much… in denial.”


Btw, I find Janet's interview very damaging to plaintiffs if defense plays it to the jury. Plaintiffs are showing that MJ would have lived forever and going concerts up to age of 65 among other things in order to get big award, but most family members said they feared that MJ would overdose anytime, in their mind it was strong possibility. By their own statements, they are supporting Briggs and other AEG expert witness testimonies about life expectancy and other calculations related.
Talking about yapping too much and then it comes and bites them in the butt.

That is why I would not be shocked if she stays "overseas". It just shows you how.. I can't even think of the words to describe these people. ESP when you see how hard Michael was working to get right. I think all of this denial talk was a way for certain family members to say Michael was not in his right mind when he made his will up

 

[jaydom7]

Thanks Bubs. You're on fire this morning. LOL!

I was just thinking about Janet's Oprah interview the other day, wherein she had Tyler Perry sitting next to her basically co-signing everything she said. Like he was some sort of expert.

I (and others) had said way, way back that all of those interviews would come back and bite folks right on their rigtheous butts.

Yep Big Apple!

We both said it.. I was shocked that Janet sat there talking all soft and fake while Tyler sat there talking about how the whole family tried to help blah blah when he didn't know jack crap about any of it.

 

[jaydom7]

That is why I would not be shocked if she stays "overseas". It just shows you how.. I can't even think of the words to describe these people. ESP when you see how hard Michael was working to get right. I think all of this denial talk was a way for certain family members to say Michael was not in his right mind when he made his will up

yep! did she even give a deposition at all? we haven't heard or even read about a deposition from Mrs. Al Mana have we? She will definitely stay her behind over in Qater, making that 'album' of hers.:busted:

 

[Bubs]

Thanks Bubs. You're on fire this morning. LOL!

I was just thinking about Janet's Oprah interview the other day, wherein she had Tyler Perry sitting next to her basically co-signing everything she said. Like he was some sort of expert.

I (and others) had said way, way back that all of those interviews would come back and bite folks right on their rigtheous butts.

I was hoping that those so called family members would be exposed on stand for their lies, but that is not going to happen. AEG is not going to do us a favour and call out family members lies when they are called to take a stand. They are just rubbing their hands together and laughing out loud to them. They way I see it, as AEG is trying to point out that MJ could have died anytime, thus not very long life expectancy = less money for extortonists (in case they lose), and he had long history of drug abuse (thanks to all the loose lips in the family). If I'm right, the only one who hasn't talked about MJ + interventions + drug use is Jackie, although I'm not sure if he gave interviews some UK rags too.

 

[Bubs]

That is why I would not be shocked if she stays "overseas". It just shows you how.. I can't even think of the words to describe these people. ESP when you see how hard Michael was working to get right. I think all of this denial talk was a way for certain family members to say Michael was not in his right mind when he made his will up

That wouldn't me surprise me at all if they were planning something like that. In their heads Mj must be on drugs if family is left out of the will.

About Janet's interview, it justs show that she is not any different from other hangers on in the family. She said she was closest to MJ, yet she knew nothing about MJ. If Janet was depositited, they don't really need her here? Can they play her deposition to jurors if Miss Janet is no show?

 

[ivy]

Jackie and Marlon are the only 2 Jacksons that aren't on AEG's possible witness list.

I'm pretty sure Janet has been deposed.

 

[Bubs]

Jackie and Marlon are the only 2 Jacksons that aren't on AEG's possible witness list.

I'm pretty sure Janet has been deposed.

The reason for not calling them, must be that they haven't talked nonsense about MJ's drug abuse, so AEG have no use for them.
If Janet is deposited and decides that she'll stay put in India with Grace, AEG can play her deposition?

 

[jaydom7]

I wonder why we haven't heard anything about Janet's deposition

 

[ivy]

Must be that they haven't talked nonsense about MJ's drug abuse, so AEG have no use for them.
If Janet is deposited and decides that she'll stay put in India with Grace, AEG can play her deposition?

yes

an explanation : I'm saying I'm pretty sure Janet was deposed because there were emails about scheduling her deposition. Unless AEG changed their mind to depose her, it is highly probable that deposition had happened - as there wasn't any oppositions or scheduling problems reported.

I wonder why we haven't heard anything about Janet's deposition

unless a person avoids their deposition you wouldn't hear anything about it until / unless one party decides to use it in some way.

For example we haven't heard about many of the witnesses being deposed / details about their deposition, until they were called to the stand or their depositions were added to motions. we heard about randy, jermaine, katherine, prince and paris depositions because there were issues with scheduling. Jackson lawyers complained about Tito, Rebbie and Prince depositions. we haven't heard about the most of the contents until they take the stand or the trial started.

 

[Soundmind]

so now Perreque didn't know of an intervention when he claimed last week Randy came to Neverland in a helicopter for an intervention???? I am so confused:bugeyed

He gave an interview to Access Hollywood in which he said MJ avoided his family because they pressured him to work with them while he wanted to dedicate his time to his kids . Neither AEG nor the Jacksons asked him about that, such info refutes the lies they both presented to the media and jury .

 

[Justthefacts]

Never mind the lawsuit it was just wrong of them to say anything about Michael’s so called problems. Conrat Murray had made it known that he would not be blamed for killing your brother and you do the same thing he did blame your brother. At times I still think Michael was found on the doorstep or adopted because he was never treated like he belonged in that family. Yet, these are the same people that go out of there way to hide what a messed up bunch they are

 

[jaydom7]

Never mind the lawsuit it was just wrong of them to say anything about Michael’s so called problems. Conrat Murray had made it known that he would not be blamed for killing your brother and you do the same thing he did blame your brother. At times I still think Michael was found on the doorstep or adopted because he was never treated like he belonged in that family. Yet, these are the same people that go out of there way to hide what a messed up bunch they are

Exactly! MJ would have never blabbed Janet's so called drug issues with diet pills and herpes meds out to the public, now would he? she sat on national tv and blabbed to Oprah of all people and had Tyler Perry sitting up there like he knew what he was talking about when he didn't. It was just sad and you could tell Janet was lying because she never looked at Oprah. She was looking down or in space half the time pretending to be sad.

 

[Soundmind]

Never mind the lawsuit it was just wrong of them to say anything about Michael’s so called problems. Conrat Murray had made it known that he would not be blamed for killing your brother and you do the same thing he did blame your brother. At times I still think Michael was found on the doorstep or adopted because he was never treated like he belonged in that family. Yet, these are the same people that go out of there way to hide what a messed up bunch they are

He left them out of his will , you know with a mentality like theirs he deserved to be trashed :smilerolleyes:

 

[jaydom7]

He left them out of his will , you know with a mentality like theirs he deserved to be trashed :smilerolleyes:

YEP! and Janet was listening to rock head Randy all the time so you know he put some stuff in her head knowing good and well she didn't care about MJ or his health. She would go years without seeing him which she admitted to to Oprah in 1997-98