Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

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Firstly, thank you to all of you for the updates and for the discussion.

Addiction is brought on by the Jacksons to say that AEG should have suspected the doctor because of Michael's past problems, and because of AEG's experience of "doctors feelgood" on tours.

I'm not so sure addiction is the central part of the trial, it's a part of it, and we'll see how "central" it becomes. It certainly is the most "spectacular" for certain media.
I think the point is was AEG negligent in hiring Murray, and were they supposed to supervise him, and if so why, how, when (particularly when they saw weird symptoms the last week IMO...).

It's not denying it, from my point of view anyway. I agree that it is very common and not shameful at all. My problem with all this addiction talk in this thread is that I don't think it was the case in 2009, at least before Murray came into the picture. (...)
Murray , and maybe other doctors, lied to him and betrayed their patient. This can't be taken out of the picture, it's essential, and that is one of the important issue of this trial, not really Michael's past addiction and how he dealt with it. Murray is the doctor and he lied to everybody, probably including Michael and AEG.

Back in 2008, I don't think AEG would have made a deal with Michael if they had suspected anything. I think the point is how they reacted when they saw something was wrong, and when they should have suspected that something was wrong IMO.

I agree completely!

His so called family is painting Michael as helpless addict that couldn't do anything to himself, using drugs since 90's etc. I can only imagine the future books written (re R Sullivan) about MJ, and this so called family happily provides ammunion to those books. It would be useless to fight these future's Sullivan's as they will say, "but family said it is true".
Yes sure he was great entertainer, or the greatest, but he was junkie.
I fear that is what we are going to read from history books.

I get your point and I agree about the overused word d.a. used by his family and lawyers (BO) for the last 4 years (particularly while the criminal process was on), however i don't agree with the words in bold: EVEN IF what you say would happen, STILL that expression in bold would denote inhumanity and insentivity to a serious suffering, (particularly that BUT).

P.S: Sorry if my last point is not well explained, but when I read the last bolded words, I felt strong anger, because it made me remember EXCELLENT human beings I knew that died due to that, and I would never never say of them that, if any, I would complain of the enablers.
 
Beloe is from gottobethere on kop. its not new and we have discussed it several times in the
past but it fits withe the current discussion


Everyone please pay extra attention to the timeline:


Michael Jackson Sues Ex-accountants ( Randy's team)

23 December 2006


Michael Jackson
*is suing his former accountants, accusing them of making unauthorised business deals and charging him millions of dollars.
Jackson and his production company filed the lawsuit against Bernstein, Fox, Whitman, Goldman and Sloan yesterday at Los Angeles Superior Court.
They claim the firm didn't keep Jackson informed of his financial affairs and committed negligence and breach of fiduciary duty. They are calling for unspecified damages and a thorough audit of money paid to the company for services provided.
Earlier in 2006, Jackson's spokeswomanRaymone Bain
*revealed she suspected Jackson was being defrauded by business associates and advisers.
She said in August (06), "Mr Jackson is neither shocked nor surprised by these revelations. He has long been suspicious that some of those whom he entrusted to act on his behalf, and to advise him with respect to his personal and business affairs, may not have always acted in his best interest."*http://www.contactmu...untants_1017414



Broke Jackson Family to Tour Again


Written By Roger Friedman
Published February 23, 2007*( he had just arrived back from oversees )
FoxNews.com


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t had to happen eventually: With no work coming his way,*Michael Jackson, sources say, has agreed to do a tour with sister Janet and his brothers.
I'm told that Michael reluctantly met with his siblings on Monday in Las Vegas. Sisters Janet and Rebbie, as well as Jermaine, Randy, Marlon, Tito and Jackie, all knocked on Jackson's Las Vegas door around 7:30 p.m. Nanny Grace Rwaramba, who runs the door, made them wait between 30 and 60 minutes before allowing the brood in.
What was discussed was the family's financial situation and the fact that Jackson has so far been unable to get work in Vegas. Sources say concert promoter Leonard Rowe of Atlanta, who worked with the Jacksons in the 1980s, was there and made a proposal: a family tour with all members.
The weird thing is, Michael seemed to understand what was happening.
That's good, too, because Jackson is still "radioactive," according to those familiar with the casino business. For example: The owner of one big casino hotel in the Caribbean recently told his chief executive to make sure Jackson was not invited to a big music event being arranged there this summer.
A successful Jackson family tour could change all that for Michael. It would also be a financial boon to a family that needs cash in a hurry. Jackson recently took a new mortgage on his parents' home, and his own home — the Neverland Valley Ranch — is in hoc to the tune of $25 million. Jackson himself relies on cash from royalties on his own songs. But that only comes to a maximum of $7 million a year. As described in court testimony, Jackson could go through that kind of money in just a couple of weeks.
The tour idea also works for*Janet Jackson, whose last two albums have been huge duds. The idea of Michael and Janet performing a couple of duets, or Janet's brothers backing her on her own hits, would be a tantalizing notion to any promoter.
The question remains: If Michael agreed, will he go through with it? Stay tuned ...

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Jackson Accuses His Brother Of Stealing From Him

18 June 2007


Singer*Michael Jackson
*has accused his brother RANDY and advisors of attempting to steal money from him during his child molestation trial.
The Thriller hitmaker claims he was pressured to approve a multi-million dollar (pound) financing deal by an associate close to his older brother Randy during the trial in 2005.
Jackson insists his fortune was saved by the advice of long-time friend Reverend Jesse Jackson and supermarket billionaire Ron Burkle, reports the New York Daily News,
He says, "(The entertainment industry is) full of sharks, charlatans and imposters. Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there.
"It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."



Contactmusic

Michael Jackson's Family Calls for Help


By*Roger Friedman

Published June 29, 2007
FoxNews.com

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Michael Jackson’s siblings — including*Janet— and his parents are so worried about the failing pop star that they’ve sent out an emergency 911 call.
Sources tell me that the Jacksons are in the process of contacting*Thomas Mesereau, the superstar criminal lawyer who won Jackson an acquittal two years ago in his child molestation trial.
The word from the Jacksons is that they’ve met several times as a family and discussed bringing Mesereau in for an intervention to save Michael.
Mesereau, who did not return calls to this column, is said to be open to finding out what Jackson’s true mental and health status is at this point. If he doesn’t like what he sees, the Jacksons will ask him to do something legal to save their brother’s life.
Jackson, according to insiders, is in perilous health right now. There is talk that his liver is damaged and that he’s been seen vomiting blood, although there’s no confirmation of that.
What has been confirmed is that Jackson — whose penchant for prescription meds and alcohol is well-known — is depressed, alone and mixing ingredients instead of making a new album or working.
But it’s the two-year isolation from friends and family that worried the Jacksons enough to consider including Mesereau in the conversation, sources tell me. The culprits are said to be publicist/manager*Raymone Bainand aide de camp/nanny*Grace Rwaramba.
For instance: this column has now learned that Bain has brought*Rev. Jesse Jackson*on in some kind of executive capacity in Michael’s businesses.
Bain and Jesse Jackson have a long relationship, so this is no surprise. But two years ago, Mesereau — sensing trouble — removed Bain and asked Jesse Jackson to leave after he arrived in Santa Maria, Calif., to grandstand at Michael’s trial.
It was Jesse Jackson who two years ago caused an avalanche in Michael’s finances. Jesse Jackson, sources say, interfered in Michael’s business by attempting to call Bank of America president*Ken Lewis*to complain that Michael was being “ripped off” in some way over his $270 million.
Lewis refused to speak with Jesse Jackson. He was so annoyed by Jackson’s interference that he ordered the banker in charge of the account to sell the loans to Fortress Investments.
The result was a sale and subsequent refinancing that put Jackson another $50 million in the red. Jesse Jackson at the time had convinced Michael that business partnersAlvin Malnik*and*Charles Koppelman’s plan to bail out the singer was no good.
But in hindsight, he was wrong. Under the original plan, Jackson would only have sold half his interest in the Beatles’ catalog to Sony. Now, next May, thanks to the Fortress deal, he will have to dispose of all of it.

Read more:*http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2SE5a4sZQ




September 2007 the signed letter from the family except Randy .Janet and Rebbie.




Michael Jackson: Inside His Finances and Family

March 10, 2010 - Bodyguards Say King of Pop Did Not Often See His Family

While the Jackson family portrayed a unified front at Michael Jackson's funeral, three of his former bodyguards said Jackson did not often see his family in the two years prior to his death.

When he died, Michael Jackson faced drug problems and debt...

"There was another occasion when Randy came to the house and crashed the security gate with his vehicle and came inside. And at the time, I didn't know who he was and I drew my weapon on him and the first thing out of his mouth was 'Get that thing out of my face or I'll call the press,'" Whitfield said, who said he put away his weapon when he realized it was Randy.*

http://abcnews.go.com





Anyone with a brain can figure out what was really going on , the real reasons behind the "interventions" were very well known and documented*.
They always run to the press to humiliate him ,to spread lies against him because of Katherine he always kept his mouth shut , and now look what dearest mother is doing to him , using and abusing him in death like she did in life to satisfy her greedy family*
 
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Anyone with a brain can figure out what was really going on , the real reasons behind the "interventions" were very well known and documented*.
They always run to the press to humiliate him ,to spread lies against him because of Katherine he always kept his mouth shut , and now look what dearest mother is doing to him , using and abusing him in death like she did in life to satisfy her greedy family*

In my opinion Michael Jackson was a very intelligent man that knew exactly what was going on in his life. I get what you all are upset about the Jacksons, but Michael knew his family better than anyone of us.

To say all this bad stuff about the family, in particular Katherine, is really not sitting well with me. Michael Jackson trusted his mother with his most valuable possession, his three kids. He would have never left them with her if she was such a bad person, greedy or incapable. I feel, if you question Katherine's motives now and say that she was using and abusing him, you are really questioning Michael's judgement and ability to know what is good for his children. Whatever happens with this trial, Katherine Jackson lost her son and I do not think that anyone has the right to question her grieve or love for him!

And also, Michael Jackson's children are part of this trial. I have said this before, but if you do not support KJ what is your excuse for not supporting them? And do not give me that BS of them being manipulated. These three children are the only ones that really have an idea about what happened in that house in the weeks leading up to Michael's death. And I think Paris and Prince showed us all last summer that they do not take shit from anybody, not even family! Especially Prince seems like a very mature and intelligent guy. Even though he is only 16, I am pretty confident that he would not stand behind this if it wasn't justified!
 
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"And also, Michael Jackson's children are part of this trial. I have said this before, but if you do not support KJ what is your excuse for not supporting them? "
They have no choice. What happened last summer had nothing to do that lawsuit. What experience did they have with the court system? Nothing, what life experience they have? Except for their father death, just what a teenager have and a teenager can't make a real decision about whether a lawsuit is worthy or not. What shocks him is not always shocking to adults.

PS: I don't like AEG either, but I don't think there were as bad as the Jacksons are claiming. I also believe the Jacksons are responsible too.
 
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I really seriously get why people dislike the Jackson, but to me that does not justify approving of everything that AEG did and wanting them to win the trial. Michael's children are also part of the lawsuit and if nothing else, I think we should at least support them so they do not have to go through everything for nothing!

It’s not about approving of anything AEG did. It’s about disapproving of MJ’s “issues” being used for financial gain. He was a private man, and now is being laid to bare literally and figuratively for a win.

AEG was insensitive and unconcerned about MJ’s welfare as long as he got on the stage. That was the case for MJ since childhood. It was ingrained in him very early in his life that the show must go on. No excuses, just do it. At some point, he developed a problem of chronic insomnia. Maybe it was due to a combination of pain medications, stress, or even the inability to come back down after the adrenaline high of a performance, a problem which many artists apparently have. Because let’s not forget, MJ did not die on a stress filled night. He died on a victorious one, one in which he gave a fantastic performance, and everyone was upbeat and positive about the future of the tour. He wasn’t stressed. From everything we’ve heard, he was happy. But regardless, he still wanted to ensure Murray would be at his home to provide him what he felt was the only drug to give him the sleep he needed to get back on that stage again.

I have unyielding compassion for the pressures put on MJ ALL during his life. He was a gift and was always used and exploited because he was. This suit wants to punish AEG for not looking out for him, which makes it a hypocritical effort IMO.

Without a doubt, Mrs. Jackson deeply grieves the loss of her son, but I see this suit as being purely money motivated, with lawyers salivating at the possibilities for their bank accounts, willing to do and say anything about MJ to get their enormous win.

I just feel Michael deserves to be allowed to rest in peace.

I don’t support the suit, but I certainly don’t support AEG either.

I hold Conrad Murray wholly responsible for MJ’s death. If we want to get into who contributed to it, we’d have to begin in Gary, Indiana.
 
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I don’t support the suit, but I certainly don’t support AEG either.

ANd that is ok, everyone has an opinion. I get why people feel that way, I really do. But wanting AEG to win this suit and attacking KJ in this extreme way is just not right. Hell, people even search for proof about the intervention BS and sending that to AEG! In what way does such behavior that help Michael Jackson to rest in peace now?? All this drama the fans started about the Jacksons and their lies, just does one thing...Giving more attention to this lawsuit!
 
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In my opinion Michael Jackson was a very intelligent man that knew exactly what was going on in his life. I get what you all are upset about the Jacksons, but Michael knew his family better than anyone of us.

To say all this bad stuff about the family, in particular Katherine, is really not sitting well with me. Michael Jackson trusted his mother with his most valuable possession, his three kids. He would have never left them with her if she was such a bad person, greedy or incapable. I feel, if you question Katherine's motives now and say that she was using and abusing him, you are really questioning Michael's judgement and ability to know what is good for his children. Whatever happens with this trial, Katherine Jackson lost her son and I do not think that anyone has the right to question her grieve or love for him!


Katherine's motivation is her broke brood. She certaintly doesn't need money as she's well provided for by the only child she dependend on for material things all her life. It's her greedy children influencing and driving her all along. Of course, I never bought the innocent little old lady act, and believe Katherine is culpable in her own way for the problems thrust on Michael by the family. She enabled her other children, husband and whoever else came running to her.

Please, have you heard Michael's private phone convos with Glenda? Did you read what his older son tweeted last summer after the infamous grannynapping? It's obvious, Michael didn't place his family on a pedestal and was disgusted by their behaviour. So much so, he felt the need to warn his children. What does that tell you?
 
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In my opinion Michael Jackson was a very intelligent man that knew exactly what was going on in his life. I get what you all are upset about the Jacksons, but Michael knew his family better than anyone of us.

To say all this bad stuff about the family, in particular Katherine, is really not sitting well with me. Michael Jackson trusted his mother with his most valuable possession, his three kids. He would have never left them with her if she was such a bad person, greedy or incapable. I feel, if you question Katherine's motives now and say that she was using and abusing him, you are really questioning Michael's judgement and ability to know what is good for his children. Whatever happens with this trial, Katherine Jackson lost her son and I do not think that anyone has the right to question her grieve or love for him!

MJ unfortunately trusted the wrong people in life, which is the source of all his major problems. starting with KJ, it's no secret that he trusted her. however she misused his trust often on the pressure of her other children. so when MJ said no to his siblings, they would run to her to force his hands because he could not say "no" to her. This is well documented.

MJ trusted children with his life. yet parents have used their kids against him, resulting in criminal trials and charges.

And also, Michael Jackson's children are part of this trial. I have said this before, but if you do not support KJ what is your excuse for not supporting them? And do not give me that BS of them being manipulated. These three children are the only ones that really have an idea about what happened in that house in the weeks leading up to Michael's death. And I think Paris and Prince showed us all last summer that they do not take shit from anybody, not even family! Especially Prince seems like a very mature and intelligent guy. Even though he is only 16, I am pretty confident that he would not stand behind this if it wasn't justified!

it's sick to even drag the children into this mess. They were too young to actually know what was going on. plus, the loss of the only parent they ever had is already traumatizing enough and so they don't need anymore drama of this nature. these kids are used for financial gain and I blame KJ and her clan. Imagine if kj was the only one suing AEG, it would look awful on her. but she had no choice but to attach the kids onto a suit they barely understand.
 
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And do you really think that Michael did not know what KJ was doing with his money? That she was giving it to Joe and the kids when they needed some? And yet he still gave it to her and yet he still trusted her with his children! What does that tell you? So you mention that Michael warned Prince about certain family members, but yet he is now ignoring his father and trusting them?

I never said that the Jacksons are saints, but neither is AEG.
 
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ANd that is ok, everyone has an opinion. I get why people feel that way, I really do. But wanting AEG to win this suit and attacking KJ in this extreme way is just not right. Hell, people even search for proof about the intervention BS and sending that to AEG! In what way does such behavior that help Michael Jackson to rest in peace now?? All this drama the fans started about the Jacksons and their lies, just does one thing...Giving more attention to this lawsuit!

People don't have to support KJ. you need to start accepting that. most people are fans of MJ and could not care less about his extended family. you also need to accept that. the love of support of MJ does not automatically spill over to his extended family and fans have no obligation to do so.
 
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In my opinion Michael Jackson was a very intelligent man that knew exactly what was going on in his life. I get what you all are upset about the Jacksons, but Michael knew his family better than anyone of us.

Yes, he certainly did, which is why, I 'm sure, he kept such a distance between himself and the family -- except for his mother. And even with Katherine, we don't know how much contact they actually had, or how much was just phone, or what? Michael was a very private man. (or tried to be. . . )

To say all this bad stuff about the family, in particular Katherine, is really not sitting well with me. Michael Jackson trusted his mother with his most valuable possession, his three kids.

I think that is at the heart of many fans' sentiments about the way things have worked out, over the last four years, in terms of this family. Children are not "possessions!!" I think Michael did the best he could about custody, and probably didn't have a lot of options.

He would have never left them with her if she was such a bad person, greedy or incapable. I feel, if you question Katherine's motives now and say that she was using and abusing him, you are really questioning Michael's judgement and ability to know what is good for his children. Whatever happens with this trial, Katherine Jackson lost her son and I do not think that anyone has the right to question her grieve or love for him!

Nobody is questioning "Michael's judgement." Katherine is an adult, and has made her own decisions, given that her son is not here anymore. Nobody is saying "Katherine is not grieving." This is a civil trial (and as such, is very different from private grieving) that at least some of us wish were not HAPPENING! Bringing this trial was a choice Katherine had (and non-support of Katherine doesn't automatically mean "support of AEG," either.) I think that most people who wish this trial was NOT HAPPENING have the ability to think critically and see the pattern over the last four years, of those kids being used to promote "Jackson family products" using Michael's name and image to gather in funds, and the chaos in the home that caused DCF to be called in, AND the "missing grandma" episode, and more. It tends to build up?

And also, Michael Jackson's children are part of this trial. I have said this before, but if you do not support KJ what is your excuse for not supporting them?

For me, "support of the children" means EXACTLY -- NOT supporting this TRIAL! It is already proving that throwing Michael under the bus will be a strategy of BOTH sides, and Michael deserved so much better. The children don't need the money, and don't NEED to see their father's legacy trashed. It must be an awful experience for them, already. I see that while this trial is going on, Prince has been volunteering to read to children at a hospital. Good for HIM!

And do not give me that BS of them being manipulated. These three children are the only ones that really have an idea about what happened in that house in the weeks leading up to Michael's death. And I think Paris and Prince showed us all last summer that they do not take shit from anybody, not even family! Especially Prince seems like a very mature and intelligent guy. Even though he is only 16, I am pretty confident that he would not stand behind this if it wasn't justified!

In terms of "manipulation?" In the U.S., at least, minor children have little or no legal rights in terms of making independent decisions -- about where they will live, with whom, under what conditions, or even what lawsuits may be brought "on their behalf." The family (adults) should have been at the forefront of protecting Michael's legacy, and time-after-time, they have proven that they will not. One thing we know for CERTAIN about Michael's parenting, was his great desire to protect his children from public scrutiny, but now, there is the fact that the children seem to feel the need to protect themselves (and their father) from "taking shit." That is truly sad.
 
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And do you really think that Michael did not know what KJ was doing with his money? That she was giving it to Joe and the kids when they needed some? And yet he still gave it to her and yet he still trusted her with his children! What does that tell you? So you mention that Michael warned Prince about certain family members, but yet he is now ignoring his father and trusting them?

I never said that the Jacksons are saints, but neither is AEG.

MJ was too soft...and perhaps that the real problem. allowing people to misuse his trust.
 
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it's sick to even drag the children into this mess. They were too young to actually know what was going on. plus, the loss of the only parent they ever had is already traumatizing enough and so they don't need anymore drama of this nature. these kids are used for financial gain and I blame KJ and her clan. Imagine if kj was the only one suing AEG, it would look awful on her. but she had no choice but to attach the kids onto a suit they barely understand.

How do you know that? I know you have all these facts of why Katherine is a bad mother an all that... BUt how do you know anything about the motives of these kids? To me kids at their age are very well capable of understanding what is going on. We do not know what they know. his kids were young at the time Michael died, but kids are very perceptive. And from what I understand Michael talked about a lot of things with Prince. All I am saying is, things happened in that house we do not know shit about. SO who is to say that these children do not know stuff that makes them want to go after AEG???
 
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And do you really think that Michael did not know what KJ was doing with his money? That she was giving it to Joe and the kids when they needed some? And yet he still gave it to her and yet he still trusted her with his children! What does that tell you? So you mention that Michael warned Prince about certain family members, but yet he is now ignoring his father and trusting them?

I never said that the Jacksons are saints, but neither is AEG.

If Michael wanted to support his whole family, his will would have reflected that. However, when Katherine dies so does the gravy train for his siblings and father, if he outlives Katherine. So esentially, he hasn't entrusted Katherine with his fortune to do away as she pleases.

How do you know Prince trusts the 'family'? It seems he's tolerant of Latoya and perhaps with one or two who aren't as actively involved in the get rich schemes. Being close to one or two, doesn't equate the full family.

Did I ever call AEG saints? You seem to forget it's a business entity, and you can't expect much from a profit oriented organization. But a family? It's disappointing when they are driven by greed and nothing else.

Passy001 - yes, we do not have to support the Jackson family. I'm only a fan of Michael and nothing will change that.
 
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Who said ppl approve of aeg and what they have done. theyve pulled crap from the begining in march in london but the jacksons have done far worse. they have thrown mj under a bus in order to make sure they have money when kj dies. theyve pulled crap for decades on mj.

re kj. She signed mjs kids up with howard man taljed crap about him to oprah defends her deadbeats kids while critizing mjs parenting skills. shes a jackson where the family as a whole is more important than the individual. she wS always used to get mj to do things for the family. mj put her on a pedistal because who else did he have in that family who he thought loved him unconditionally. but her actions say very diff. imo shes not much diff to joe. so yes mj was always a bad judge of character but if he thought he didnt have the love of his mother what else did he have.

kj signed the kids into this lawsuit they didnt start it so they are irrelevent. they have alot to learn about their families history. u think they would hang about latoya knowing about her connections to guiterrez etc etc etc.

the jacksons use and abuse mj for their own gain and as they are family that makes it twice as bad. i support michael no one else and if anyone else had acted towards mj like his family have they would be gone after aswell. the jacksons dont get a pass because they are related to him infact they will be jumped on even more because they are family and family is supposed to protect their own not lie cheat steal in order to get what they want. that is the lowest of the low
 
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How do you know Prince trusts the 'family'? It seems he's tolerant of Latoya and perhaps with one or two who aren't as actively involved in the get rich schemes. Being close to one or two, doesn't equate the full family.

Where did I say that Prince trust the family? All I am saying is that he must have his reasons for supporting this lawsuit? The trial has just started and we do not even know the whole story? Why not give KJ the benefit of the doubt for now and see what happens. After that there is still enough time for everyone to uncover the lies of the Jackson family...


And I do not even care if you are hating the Jacksons, I even said that I understand where people are coming from. I disagree about KJ, but that is just my opinion. BUt a lot of people here want AEG to win this trial and to me that is just not right!
 
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We do not KNOW if "Prince supports this lawsuit." Minor children do not have options about decisions made by a parent or guardian regarding lawsuits "on their behalf."

"Support" of Katherine has eroded over the years, based on HER decisions regarding Michael's children.

Non-support of Katherine and this lawsuit does not automatically mean support of AEG. Many of us here wish this lawsuit were not happening, at ALL, due to the negative things already said about Michael. The children do NOT need the money. Katherine does not need the money. Who does? "Cubs" do. . . .that is obvious?

The lies of the Jackson family are ALREADY obvious. They cannot, on the one hand, say in a signed letter that Michael had no "addiction issues," and then assert in the lawsuit that he DID, and AEG should have known about it. Either there were "interventions," or there were not. They would have to prove that there were, and it's doubtful that they can do that. I think their past public statements will come back to haunt them . . .

(edit) I think that Michael's leaving his family out of his will (except for his mother and children) was an incredibly eloquent statement about what he thought about them, and if he had any obligations to support them (NOT). Katherine has plenty of money, for the rest of her life -- but not enough to support the entire Jackson family. The children are well taken-care-of. When Katherine dies, the siblings will be left high-and-dry financially, and will have to make their own ways. Well, oops?
 
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we do not know if "prince supports this lawsuit."

exactly! We do not know anything about their reasons. It could be that it is just KJ but it could also be that they stand behind it in full. But yet, you seem to be very certain that they were manipulated into this...
 
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Where did I say that Prince trust the family? All I am saying is that he must have his reasons for supporting this lawsuit? The trial has just started and we do not even know the whole story? Why not give KJ the benefit of the doubt for now and see what happens. After that there is still enough time for everyone to uncover the lies of the Jackson family...

And your earlier quote...

... So you mention that Michael warned Prince about certain family members, but yet he is now ignoring his father and trusting them?



Very nice, so people that are new to this forum are not even allowed to say their opinion? What a stupid comment.


And I do not even care if you are hating the Jacksons, I even said that I understand where people are coming from. I disagree about KJ, but that is just my opinion. BUt a lot of people here want AEG to win this trial and to me that is just not right!


Well did I say that? You've been stating your opinion pages along, and it doesn't bother me the least. It is just that, some can't accept that people can like Michael, but not his family. And they seem to push the idea that it's unacceptable, and guilt trip fans for hating on 'poor old Katherine who Michael adored'.


I don't want the Jacksons to win. So the alternative would be AEG.
 
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exactly! We do not know anything about their reasons. It could be that it is just KJ but it could also be that they stand behind it in full. But yet, you seem to be very certain that they were manipulated into this...

I have not used the word "manipulation." The FACT is, minor children (any minor) children, do not have a genuine voice, or choice, in what lawsuits may be brought by parents or guardians "on their behalf." To look at the "value" of this trial, already we can see that both AEG and attorneys for Katherine are throwing Michael under the bus. I can't see any benefit, at all, in that for Michael's children, and they do NOT need the money.

For YEARS now, some of the Jackson family have been saying "conspiracy!" And, "Murray was the fall-guy!" but without a shred of evidence or proof. This trial is NOT going to reveal a deeper "truth," if any. It's just. . . . sad.
 
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@Rhilo You are the one claiming all his broke siblings are behind this suit, Randy etc., all those he was referring to when he said Michael warned them about certain family members and their ways... So he would be (sorry for using the word trusting before) working with these same family members for this trial. That is exactly what would not make sense to me.

And you know exactly what you meant by your comment...
 
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@Rhilo You are the one claiming all his broke siblings are behind this suit, Randy etc., all those he was referring to when he said Michael warned them about certain family members and their ways... So he would be (sorry for using the word trusting before) working with these same family members for this trial. That is exactly what would not make sense to me.

And you know exactly what you meant by your comment...

He is a teenager, he has no choice and you have KJ. He probably loves KJ so if she wants it then you have a real possibility that he is just helping her.
 
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But wanting AEG to win this suit and attacking KJ in this extreme way is just not right. Hell, people even search for proof about the intervention BS and sending that to AEG! In what way does such behavior that help Michael Jackson to rest in peace now?? All this drama the fans started about the Jacksons and their lies, just does one thing...Giving more attention to this lawsuit!

No, all this drama started when the suit was filed and the direction it was going to take became known.

And I do not even care if you are hating the Jacksons, I even said that I understand where people are coming from. I disagree about KJ, but that is just my opinion. BUt a lot of people here want AEG to win this trial and to me that is just not right!

People don't want KJ to get the cash award. But that only happens if she loses the case. That $40 billion original request put this suit firmly on the money train. Her lawyers recognize the backlash, but it's too late now. This is seen as another money grab and at MJ's expense. And they don't want ANYONE to get rewarded for it.
 
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@Rhilo You are the ones claiming all his broke siblings are behind this suit, Randy etc., all those he was referring to when he said Michael warned them about certain family members and their ways... So he would be (sorry for using the word trusting before) working with these same family members for this trial. That is exactly what would not make sense to me.

Prince, Paris and Blanket have no choice. Until they are much older and voice their thoughts on this trial by own accord, you cannot presume that they are supporting it by choice. Even now, I'm sure they don't appreciate the disgusting pieces being written about their father and them on a daily basis, which are a direct result of this greed motivated lawsuit. This lawsuit has dragged the worms out of their holes. Everyone wants to ride on the media interest surrounding it and their 5 minutes at the cost of Michael and his children.
 
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@AutumnII so you believe that KJ started this suit, without the consent of the children (I know that it is not needed) without receiving any heat for it? I doubt it. But we really do not know. I guess, the benefit for the children could be to get the people that had a hand in the death of their father... Seriously, i am not some fan of the Jacksons or anything. I just think we should wait and see what happens with this lawsuit, it can not be stopped anyways. And AEG is at fault, they should pay for it, even if that means the Jacksons win.
 
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Prince, Paris and Blanket have no choice. Until they are much older and voice their thoughts on this trial by own accord, you cannot presume that they are supporting it by choice.

I can not presume that they support it by choice, but you can presume that they do not? Makes sense.
 
I have to say this. Michael is the one who worked his butt off going without sleep and breaking down his body for 44 years to build his legacy not his mom. She should be respected but if Michael can be trashed and called everything but a child of God his mother is not above disapproval when she does things like exposing Prince, Paris and Blanket to low-life human garbage like Howard Mann and Melissa Johnson, Dieter Weisner and so on. The same goes for exposing Michael to ridicule and scorn. She didn’t dare do it while he was alive but now that he’s dead she is following right along with the gang. She gave birth to him but she didn’t protect him from the brutality and fear he suffered as a child because of her husband and she is not protecting his name now. Do you think Michael would approve of Blanket almost getting shot with a stun gun or the Granny Napping? Do you think he would approve of all the money making schemes his mother has involved his kids in since his death? Let’s face it I’m sure he never imagined she would allow them to be exposed to the scum of the earth and frankly before his death neither did I. It’s unfathomable the things she has allowed to go on for the past three years!

You can say that without Katherine there would be no Michael Jackson but without Michael Jackson, Katherine would still be poor living in Gary and none of us would have ever heard of her. I respect her as a person but I'm not blind to the things she has allowed. I don't hate her but I am very, very disappointed in her and I think Michael would be too.
 
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I have to say this. Michael is the one who worked his butt off going without sleep and breaking down his body for 44 years to build his legacy not his mom. She should be respected but if Michael can be trashed and called everything but a child of God his mother is not above disapproval when she does things like exposing Prince, Paris and Blanket to low-life human garbage like Howard Mann and Melissa Johnson, Dieter Weisner and so on. The same goes for exposing Michael to ridicule and scorn. She didn’t dare do it while he was alive but now that he’s dead she is following right along with the gang. She gave birth to him but she didn’t protect him from the brutality and fear he suffered as a child because of her husband and she is not protecting his name now. Do you think Michael would approve of Blanket almost getting shot with a stun gun or the Granny Napping? Do you think he would approve of all the money making schemes his mother has involved his kids in since his death? Let’s face it I’m sure he never imagined she would allow them to be exposed to the scum of the earth and frankly before his death neither did I. It’s unfathomable the things she has allowed to go on for the past three years!

You can say that without Katherine there would be no Michael Jackson but without Michael Jackson, Katherine would still be poor living in Gary and none of us would have ever heard of her. I respect her as a person but I'm not blind to the things she has allowed. I don't hate her but I am very, very disappointed in her and I think Michael would be too.

In all honesty, I believe KJ truly loves her son but she is an old woman and can be manipulated and probably always was.
 
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I can not presume that they support it by choice, but you can presume that they do not? Makes sense.

You have mentioned several times over that the kids are supporting it. I have not stated the kids are supporting or not-supporting the lawsuit. The point again?
 
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Using mjs kids as a way to defend the families actions of throwing mj under a bus is scraping the barrell.trying to use what they may think/have been told is irrelevent interms of the legitimacy of the allegations and of those who filed it. the cardiff show was not legitimate just because the kids were at it. the contract with howard mann was not legitimate just because the kids did not speak out. dieter weisner using prince etc etc. the list goes on. paris attacks big time on twitter when anyone calls her dad a d.a. and i wonder if it is a coincedence she is spending so much time with debbie
 
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