Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Bonnie Blue]

they are going the route that his family cared much, his staff cared much , AEG cared very much but he was an addict and a very manipulative one who should be held responsible for his choices alone and deserves no sympathy from the jury

Completely agree ^. I'm really not sure why posters are thinking aeg are going to expose the jacksons as having failed mj. It's been clear since their opening statement that the family is going to be shown either as 'paid for their silence' by mj to keep his drug issues secret as he paid for so much of their lifestyles or as much duped by mj's deep dark secrets as aeg. Mrs j is going to be portrayed as someone who couldn't bear to have her 'idealised' picture of her son ruined by his outofcontrol drug issues and whatever else she closed her mind to.

"As Katherine Jackson has now testified, she was in the dark about her son Michael Jackson's decades of drug use and 'closes her ears' whenever someone discloses anything negative about him," he said. "She doesn't want anyone or anything to disturb her idealized memory of the child she lost," he said. "Who can blame her?"

"They [the family] kept his private world private as best they could and now they would like to blame somebody else for things that only they knew privately," Putnam said.

Wish when AEG closes they use or read some of Michael's words about his mother. That line that says something about loving her but not trusting her.

Nope, they certainly won't be doing that.

Then he should have said the freak and creepy comments were wrong and unprofessional. Rather he talks about they used a name that was already used and private vs public talk to justify the use of the words. He is giving the impression that they are ok to be used as long as no one knows about it. These AEG executives are unbelievable.

I know, really not sure how you would even bother attempting to defend the calling someone a freak in a work email.

-North America was not an option, Meglen said, due to Jackson’s reputation here and controversies he'd had here.
I still feel that once Michael made great performances in London, the US fans would want him to perform in the US. Now whether he would want to do so is another thing.

I could be reading those court tweets wrong, but i thought he was just referring to the initial residency that they eventually decided to hold in london, same with his comments about asia. I can't believe he was talking about the holding of concerts in the us as not an option, just a long residency. It would be just ridiculous to suggest mj couldn't sell out concerts in the us - his 01 msg was sold out immediately and the tv perf got the highest viewing figures for a partic channel i think.

 

[#MJforever57]

It is very confusing because plaintiff lawyers are consulting with Randy and other thugs, and don't tell KJ where the case is going. It was very clear from her testimony. When both sides are done, the judge has to remind jurors that this trial is about whether AEG hired doc or not, and not about what people think whether MJ was an addict or not.

IMO AEG case it all about Michael Jackson sercet life that he hide form the world a waste of time. In the bold is what is important in this case those are the facts.

Did AEG hire Murray
Is AEG responsible for the death of Michael Jackson.

A simple case.

 

[jaydom7]

So Katherine has known that MJ suffered a lot of pain due to his third degree burns, his balloon under his scalp, his fall which caused severe back pain, his insomnia ( since he lived at home) and his vitiligo yet she has never sought help for her son or inquired about his health with him???? I am a grown woman and my parents are concerned about my heath and safety. I recently had a partially detached retina which is now fixed after surgery but my father drove me to the surgery and my parents stayed at the hospital and drove me home after surgery. My Mom told me I could stay at their place while I recovered but I didn't.

You mean to tell me Katherine never was concerned about MJ's health with all of his issues because 'she didn't want bad news'??? wtf??? I heard after MJ's burn he stayed with Emmanuel Lewis and his family and not his mother. Is that true?

Mike deserved so much better after taking care of his mother since he was 5 years old, that's 45 years of his life... What did she do for him?

 

[ivy]

When both sides are done, the judge has to remind jurors that this trial is about whether AEG hired doc or not, and not about what people think whether MJ was an addict or not.

IMO AEG case it all about Michael Jackson sercet life that he hide form the world a waste of time. In the bold is what is important in this case those are the facts.

Did AEG hire Murray
Is AEG responsible for the death of Michael Jackson.

A simple case.

I posted negligent hiring jury instructions several times. If you read it again you would see what AEG knew or should have known is also relevant to this case.

Jacksons argue that given Michael's history with drugs, a doctor - especially a doctor in debt - should be red flag - assuming AEG knew or should have known Michael's issues with drugs. AEG defense is they didn't know as Michael kept it a secret and therefore elements of negligent hiring can't be established

 

[Bonnie Blue]

IMO AEG case it all about Michael Jackson sercet life that he hide form the world a waste of time. In the bold is what is important in this case those are the facts.

Did AEG hire Murray
Is AEG responsible for the death of Michael Jackson.

A simple case.

^ Agree. But apparently it's not quite the simple case as once thought, where they could clearly show their distance from murray. Hence the spotlight on mj's deepest darkest secret life as a drug addict who tricked aeg, family, even his own doctors. I'm just hoping they're not going to show murray as a victim of mj's desire to get what he wants, as well.

 

[jaydom7]

Putting up doctor after doctor won't make the medical profession look good either.. If they are willing to say as a medical doctor they gave MJ anything he wanted for cash, then they all need to have their licenses snatched. What good and ethical doctor dispenses narcotic pain meds willy nilly without doing physicals or exams on their patient???

 

[Bubs]

IMO AEG case it all about Michael Jackson sercet life that he hide form the world a waste of time. In the bold is what is important in this case those are the facts.
Did AEG hire Murray
Is AEG responsible for the death of Michael Jackson.
A simple case.

I think Ivy explained it very well, but I just want to remind you that AEG only started yesterday and they have called only 1 witness. So far, all the drug talk in this trial came from plaintiffs.
AEG claims they didn't know MJ's drug use as he kept it secret. KJ, The Plaintiff says that she didn't know either, as obviously she didn't watch enough of telly to know what was going on with her son, but she thinks AEG should have know because she thinks AEG people watched telly and knew that MJ was addict. Cannot get any crazier than that :bugeyed

 

[#MJforever57]

I agree--that seems to be the case--Michael did not "hide" the fact that he needed propofol, his "milk," and the likely reason for that is a medical doctor suggested it to him to solve his insomnia. And, he had the experience with Dr. Ratner of it working successfully. Michael probably thought this was an option available to him (due to his stature, wealth) that was not a mainstream solution to everyone else who had the same problem, but was safe if administered by a doctor. Like most of us, Michael respected and trusted the doctors he consulted with to be competent and to "do no harm."

Yes it work Dr. Ratner he knew what he was doing but for a medical doctor to suggest it to Michael that was wrong. IMO that was not the answer to Michael sleep problem he need to see a doctor for this not take Propofol. This doctor forgot his oath to (Do No Harm) Bad advice it cot Michael his life.

 

[AliCat]

^^Thats it. Her lack of knowledge about the information in the case, shows she is a front. Lawyers usually tell you in a general way how they are going to present the case. They say, we want to prepare you because we are going to bring out XYZ, so are you comfortable with that. They would definitely say to her something like this is your son, and for us to win this case, we will have to show he is a druggie, had no money, could not make many decisions, etc. Some clients tell their attorneys no you can't go there, or you cant say that. It seems the lawyers did most of their briefing with Randy or the key players pushing that case. There is too much she does not know that has nothing to do with memory. So either she is lying and pretending she does not know, or Panish and his team did not brief her on this case.

This nonsense about the restitution & Muarry having children is not believable, since 100 million or 40 Billion is more than enough for Muarry's children to live on. She could have gotten the money and then out of her "good Christian heart" (sarcasm), given some millions to his children. There is no need to say no to restitution in that case. Further, everybody knows Muarry would not have that type of money so her statement is laughable.

People win money and give all to charity. Michael took all his earnings from certain performances/tours and gave it away, so what prevents her from doing the same if she is so concerned about Muarry's children. I am surprised that Putnam did not question her so he could make that point. Then why did she ask Michael's estate for 80,000 to give to Jermaine, when the estate needs the money for Michael's children? Oh the foolishness is too much.

You are hitting on some vital points. This system that runs in the Jackson household confuses me. Because Michael Jackson went out there and became the King of Pop, by his talents and hard work. Then, he is suppose to just turn around and hand over all his hard earned money to the entire Jackson clan or Katherine Jackson is the accountant for herself, her husband and the rest of the cub's and their cub's. I'd have insomnia too if I had Katherine Jackson as my accountant and supposed confidant.

I just want to add about the insomnia issue and if it did start in childhood, then how could Michael Jackson have done all those performances and gotten up to go to school? I just don't see that kind of established pattern. I agree with not being able to sleep after a performance, because he was the main attraction on stage. The adrenaline would make it hard to calm down immediately. I also agree that the insomnia issue would come about when Michael felt stressed. It seems that Michael stood up to Katherine on May 15, 2009 and that may have been a first. But, the circumstances greatly sadden me. It was about business and Katherine being more concerned about making money, than protecting her son. There Katherine was, face to face, with Randy Phillips. Why didn't Katherine confront Randy Phillips about Michael's existence. Afterwards, with the Paps waiting outside, why didn't either Joe Jackson or Katherine Jackson or even Leonard Rowe, tell the Paps how bad AEG Live was towards their treatment of Michael Jackson. That Randy Phillips badgered Michael into doing these Show's, that his condition was deteriorating, etc. It was a business meeting, about money and the Jackson's not making any, because Michael Jackson did not want to do a Jackson family reunion concert.

Michael Jackson just said no!

 

[jaydom7]

yeah and the thing is Dr Ratner started this mess and we haven't heard him testify at all over the years to his 'treatments' of MJ.. He has gotten off scott free. He along with Klein, Hoefflin and Metzger should be prosecuted for medical malpractice

 

[ivy]

yeah and the thing is Dr Ratner started this mess and we haven't heard him testify at all over the years to his 'treatments' of MJ.. He has gotten off scott free. He along with Klein, Hoefflin and Metzger should be prosecuted for medical malpractice

how about being realistic? no one is going to be prosecuted for giving Propofol as it's not a controlled substance and they did not cause injury or death to Michael. The usage of Propofol might be improper but it's not illegal. That's the reason why no one prosecuted Murray for buying or Applied pharmacy for selling it. The only person sued for "medical malpractice" is the doctor who caused an injury or death to the patient as that's the definition of medical malpractice.

 

[#MJforever57]

I think Ivy explained it very well, but I just want to reming that AEG only started yesterday and they have called only 1 witness. So far, all the drug talk in this trial came from plaintiffs.
AEG claims they didn't know MJ's drug use as he kept it secret. KJ, The Plaintiff says that she didn't know either, as obviously she didn't watch enough of telly to know what was going on with her son, but she thinks AEG should have know because she thinks AEG people watched telly and knew that MJ was addict. Cannot get any crazier than that :bugeyed

Yes it is early and i agree with you that the Jacksons lawyer has brought up the drugs but AEG is going to go into it more and that is what this case is not about. What happen to Michael Jackson between Apr -June of 2009.

 

[jaydom7]

Katherine actually saw MJ several times between April-June 2009 and she wasn't concerned even though Mike was bone thin and coming and going from Klein's office which was shown daily on TMZ. Mike's fans were concerned about his appearance and they were sending emails to Karen Faye yet Katherine didn't know that MJ was looking bad. Why is it Katherine never knew anything yet she was there?

 

[Bubs]

You are hitting on some vital points. This system that runs in the Jackson household confuses me. Because Michael Jackson went out there and became the King of Pop, by his talents and hard work. Then, he is suppose to just turn around and hand over all his hard earned money to the entire Jackson clan or Katherine Jackson is the accountant for herself, her husband and the rest of the cub's and their cub's. I'd have insomnia too if I had Katherine Jackson as my accountant and supposed confidant.

I just want to add about the insomnia issue and if it did start in childhood, then how could Michael Jackson have done all those performances and gotten up to go to school? I just don't see that kind of established pattern. I agree with not being able to sleep after a performance, because he was the main attraction on stage. The adrenaline would make it hard to calm down immediately. I also agree that the insomnia issue would come about when Michael felt stressed. It seems that Michael stood up to Katherine on May 15, 2009 and that may have been a first. But, the circumstances greatly sadden me. It was about business and Katherine being more concerned about making money, than protecting her son. There Katherine was, face to face, with Randy Phillips. Why didn't Katherine confront Randy Phillips about Michael's existence. Afterwards, with the Paps waiting outside, why didn't either Joe Jackson or Katherine Jackson or even Leonard Rowe, tell the Paps how bad AEG Live was towards their treatment of Michael Jackson. That Randy Phillips badgered Michael into doing these Show's, that his condition was deteriorating, etc. It was a business meeting, about money and the Jackson's not making any, because Michael Jackson did not want to do a Jackson family reunion concert.

Michael Jackson just said no!

Yes, in Jackson family (especially if your name is MJ) you are supposed to work very hard all of your life and when its payday, he is to divide his earning to all of his family. Funnily enough, when MJ faced financial hardship, there was no family gathering about how could they help Mike.

That reminded me of KJ denying MJ money problems. I wonder what she is going to say when AEG makes Jermaine to take the stand and he testifies about MJ money problems and how he decided to help MJ by bringing in Tohme.

KJ wrote in her book about MJ's insomnia, how she heard in her bedroom how MJ was walking around the house during the night. I don't think it started like he wasn't able to sleep at all, but gradually got worse and worse.

 

[bouee]

they are going the route that his family cared much, his staff cared much , AEG cared very much but he was an addict and a very manipulative one who should be held responsible for his choices alone and deserves no sympathy from the jury

Completely agree ^. I'm really not sure why posters are thinking aeg are going to expose the jacksons as having failed mj. It's been clear since their opening statement that the family is going to be shown either as 'paid for their silence' by mj to keep his drug issues secret as he paid for so much of their lifestyles or as much duped by mj's deep dark secrets as aeg. Mrs j is going to be portrayed as someone who couldn't bear to have her 'idealised' picture of her son ruined by his outofcontrol drug issues and whatever else she closed her mind to.

Completely agree with that.

The case is not going so well for AEG IMO, so they need to resort to that instead of putting the blame solely on Murray.

I think they're going for extorsion too, to show that certain brothers/sisters are behind this lawsuit. Some of the questions they asked seem to go in this direction.

You know what he told pretty much everyone in the medical field about propofol . I dont think he considered it such a shame as people are trying to claim . How many people so far has said he told them or saw doctors around him during tours ? MANY MANY MANY .

He was not the type of person who would discuss his PERSONAL issues with everyone , that does not mean he considered it a secret . Did Casico say I asked him what med are you taking ? No, no one asked him , but everyone around knew he needed meds for his insomina . Even Debbie a nurse did not know what meds he was taking while she was there with him when he was given them .

My friend did not sleep for three days , her family admitted her into hospital she is still there , that's how serious chronic insomnia is . However, ignorant, haters and greedy people like AEG, the Jerksons want us to believe it's not a big issue .





What do you mean by being open ? he should have released a statement to acknowledge he had a problem ?

In 2002 , did he have a doctor who was treating him ? yes . Was he aware he have a problem ? yes . Just because the Jacksons said he did not allow them to intervene does not mean he was in denial . They were not there for the intervention , that was an excuse to get there to offer some proposal , he knew that , what they did months before was still in his mind.


MJ stated in his deposition during Deiter Weisner lawsuit in 2007 that he might have been under the influence of some medication when he signed contracts in 2002 , so he was not secretive about anything .

Excellent point. LMP was aware of it too, according to her.

 

[#MJforever57]

I posted negligent hiring jury instructions several times. If you read it again you would see what AEG knew or should have known is also relevant to this case.

Jacksons argue that given Michael's history with drugs, a doctor - especially a doctor in debt - should be red flag - assuming AEG knew or should have known Michael's issues with drugs. AEG defense is they didn't know as Michael kept it a secret and therefore elements of negligent hiring can't be established

But AEG knew Michael had a drug problem from past tours. It was not a surpries but to said their didn't know he had a drug problem in not true. Now maybe their didn't know that Michael was taking Propofol for his sleep problem okay i see that . And then you have the email that say remind Murray who is paying his salary not MJ that IMO say their hire him and should have done a backgroun on Murray AEG would have seen he was in debt and for Phillips to say Murray didn't need this job that was not true either.

I see what you are saying but there was so many red flags that AEG just paid no attention to and their should have. Their could have gotting Michael the help that he need.

IMO it could have save Michael life.

 

[jaydom7]

I am upset because MJ deserved so much better than this. At 5 years old this man was taking care of his family and giving his mother anything she ever wanted. What did she do for him in return? she didn't even take care of him during his burn injuries, his vitiligo or his insomnia.. She did absolutely nothing

 

[jaydom7]

But AEG knew Michael had a drug problem from past tours. It was not a surpries but to said their didn't know he had a drug problem in not true. Now maybe their didn't know that Michael was taking Propofol for his sleep problem okay i see that . And then you have the email that say remind Murray who is paying his salary not MJ that IMO say their hire him and should have done a backgroun on Murray AEG would have seen he was in debt and for Phillips to say Murray didn't need this job that was not true either.

I see what you are saying but there was so many red flags that AEG just paid no attention to and their should have. Their could have gotting Michael the help that he need.

IMO it could have save Michael life.

I give the side eye to folks like Karen Faye and Kenny Ortega. They were supposed 'friends' and instead of taking action all they did was send emails to AEG who obviously didn't give a damn

 

[crillon]

Yes it work Dr. Ratner he knew what he was doing but for a medical doctor to suggest it to Michael that was wrong. IMO that was not the answer to Michael sleep problem he need to see a doctor for this not take Propofol. This doctor forgot his oath to (Do No Harm) Bad advice it cot Michael his life.

Of course it was wrong--giving propofol to Michael for sleep issues was not a good solution under any circumstance. Ratner was an anesthesiologist, so at least he had the expertise to do it as safely as he could outside of a hospital setting. But, no medical professional should have been doing it. Period.

I just think Michael reasonably thought (based on doctor recommendations) that it was a medically sanctioned, viable solution for his sleep problem.

But AEG knew Michael had a drug problem from past tours. It was not a surpries but to said their didn't know he had a drug problem in not true. Now maybe their didn't know that Michael was taking Propofol for his sleep problem okay i see that . And then you have the email that say remind Murray who is paying his salary not MJ that IMO say their hire him and should have done a backgroun on Murray AEG would have seen he was in debt and for Phillips to say Murray didn't need this job that was not true either.

I see what you are saying but there was so many red flags that AEG just paid no attention to and their should have. Their could have gotting Michael the help that he need.

IMO it could have save Michael life.

The drug issues had nothing to do with Michael's death. He died from propofol intoxication administered by a medical doctor. No way that could have been anticipated or prevented by family, friends, or least of all, AEG. imo That being said, what AEG did or did not know regarding MJ's drug issues are relevant to the case, which baffles the hell out of me, frankly. I just don't see how AEG could know.

I think once AEG presents their case, this will become clear.

 

[#MJforever57]

So Katherine has known that MJ suffered a lot of pain due to his third degree burns, his balloon under his scalp, his fall which caused severe back pain, his insomnia ( since he lived at home) and his vitiligo yet she has never sought help for her son or inquired about his health with him???? I am a grown woman and my parents are concerned about my heath and safety. I recently had a partially detached retina which is now fixed after surgery but my father drove me to the surgery and my parents stayed at the hospital and drove me home after surgery. My Mom told me I could stay at their place while I recovered but I didn't.

You mean to tell me Katherine never was concerned about MJ's health with all of his issues because 'she didn't want bad news'??? wtf??? I heard after MJ's burn he stayed with Emmanuel Lewis and his family and not his mother. Is that true?

Mike deserved so much better after taking care of his mother since he was 5 years old, that's 45 years of his life... What did she do for him?

That is sad Michael carry alot on his shoulder. In the bold are you for real Michael went to stay with the Lewis after the accident i didn't know that.

 

[bouee]

Ivy, Serendipity, Elapentela, Bubs, who did Michael thank for his financial success? His family did not create demand for his products, fans did. Some of those fans have directly and indirectly created demand and have supported the tabloid reporting of the doctor’s prison sentence which included the CNN interview. Continued demand and support of the doctor after his release is frightening to me.

Fans have a choice and it is their responsibility to make a choice that does not support or encourage demand for this doctor’s fabrications out of respect for Michael. It may seem easier to blame Katherine and anyone is free to do that. However, I refuse to have any part in the financial success of that doctor and I will not help to create a demand for his story.

I think they are 2 ways of dealing with that : as you say, don't give him an audience, don't create demand . But it's not only us, and Murray makes such a show of himself he might be creating demand on his own His documentary was not successful at all though.
A second way, when the book is out (I heard that info too, that he was writing a book in jail, and I would definietly not be surprised if it was true) is to debunk the story..; which means talking about it and correcting the info.

It's a vicious circle.

Restitution would have been a way of possibly preventing that, even though Murray could have found ways, I agree, as he does now, getting one of his instruments paid instead of him. He has a whole orchestra, so plenty of ways to get someone else to be paid instead of him.
But Katherine was selfish in the sense that the kids maybe could have used it at some point in the future. Now they can't. Less importantly, it's now an argument in favor of AEG- I'm not sure her explanation will fly with the jury, especially if AEG is going for extorsion arguments.

There's enough food for possible horror scenarios! I could imagine Randy or Jermaine or both writing a book together with Murray: "How to feed children you're not even interested in!"

LOL !

And they could write about each other. That would be a ..... nuclear book !

By the way is that a common phrase to use "nuclear" in that sense ? Or is Murray's brain contaminated and radiocactive ? The core is melting down maybe ? I heard there was a heatwave in the US, so it's a possibility.

Anyway, if he was to testify, he would have a very important position in this trial. I hate that. But I guess one of the parties would have to call him, so it's not likely to happen.

 

[Soundmind]

Completely agree with that.

The case is not going so well for AEG IMO, so they need to resort to that instead of putting the blame solely on Murray.

I think they're going for extorsion too, to show that certain brothers/sisters are behind this lawsuit. Some of the questions they asked seem to go in this direction.



Excellent point. LMP was aware of it too, according to her.

The only hazard the Jacksons face in this trial is themselves, their lies which they spread to get money from tabloids before and after his death . Beside that it is pretty obvious AEG did see MJ's health deteriorating and did nothing but increased the pressure on him to preform .

They know if the jury has any sympathy toward MJ , they would lose big time. Their enemy in this trial is MJ himself. They started their opening statement by saying he was the biggest star in the world ,they were working for him not the opposite, the tickets sold like hot cake .... now when it's convenient he was so unpopular , he was no one, they are very used to tickets selling that well , nothing was special really ...etc .

The fact that Gonga instructed the execs to FOOL MJ into believing he was making 100 millions " he likes big numbers" while their estimation stated he would only make $ 20 to 30 millions out of 50 shows is more than enough to demonstrate the length they were going to take to guarantee he would sign a contract with them for their own benefit . The fact that his managers who should have been working for his benefits were getting their instructions from AEG , you would believe Frank and Tohme were AEG's employees . :smilerolleyes:

Katherine is greedy and the worst mother in the world , this is a notion many of us believe in even before she took the stand . That does not mean AEG do not deserve to pay for what they did .

They are greedy opportunists, I have no doubt they would try to use the molestation as much as possible to inflame the juries emotions against MJ . The less the jury sees MJ as a victim , the safer AEG will be .

 

[#MJforever57]

Of course it was wrong--I wasn't suggesting that giving propofol to Michael for sleep issues was a good solution under any circumstance. Ratner was an anesthesiologist, so at least he had the expertise to do it as safely as he could outside of a hospital setting. But, no medical professional should have been doing it. Period.

I just think Michael reasonably thought (based on doctor recommendations) that it was a medically sanctioned, viable practice for his sleep problem.



The drug issues had nothing to do with Michael's death. He died from propofol intoxication administered by a medical doctor. No way that could have been anticipated or prevented by family, friends, or least of all, AEG. imo

I think once AEG presents their case, that will become clear.

I see what you mean you are right. It was Michael thinking this was the answer to his sleep probelm. Here i go wish again i just wish Michael could have found a doctor who could have help him with his insomnia.

 

[bouee]

But AEG knew Michael had a drug problem from past tours. It was not a surpries but to said their didn't know he had a drug problem in not true. Now maybe their didn't know that Michael was taking Propofol for his sleep problem okay i see that . And then you have the email that say remind Murray who is paying his salary not MJ that IMO say their hire him and should have done a backgroun on Murray AEG would have seen he was in debt and for Phillips to say Murray didn't need this job that was not true either.

I see what you are saying but there was so many red flags that AEG just paid no attention to and their should have. Their could have gotting Michael the help that he need.

IMO it could have save Michael life.

I agree with what you say, except that it's not clear yet if they knew about past issues. We only have Finkelstein's depo, and he has not testified (yet?).

I agree there were so many red flags that AEG should have seen. And the fact that Pihillips lied about background checks shows that he was aware of doubts about Murray , and he was aware that Murray could be influenced, so Phillips was aware of the importance of a background check.

I think that's why they sort of shift Murray's blame on Michael, and resort to the propofol defense. They are trying to distract the jury from those red flags, and their reaction to those red flags IMO.

EDIT : jacksons are not saying AEG should have known about propofol specifically. They just say they knew of past issues, and were aware that the doctor- Murray- was not competent, to say the least. I think that's how they define negligent hiring supervising and retaining.
AEG is taking it further talking about propofol.

 

[LastTear]

I still think that this trial could go either way, really depends on how the jury view certain things, but considering that so far - only the Jacksons have presented their case, its too early to tell.

I also have no doubt that AEG will use whatever they can to defend themselves with a view to win this case, we always knew this but don't forget the Jacksons knew it also.

 

[jaydom7]

I really wish MJ had someone who cared and medical profession that could've helped him

 

[#MJforever57]

how about being realistic? no one is going to be prosecuted for giving Propofol as it's not a controlled substance and they did not cause injury or death to Michael. The usage of Propofol might be improper but it's not illegal. That's the reason why no one prosecuted Murray for buying or Applied pharmacy for selling it. The only person sued for "medical malpractice" is the doctor who caused an injury or death to the patient as that's the definition of medical malpractice.

That is a shame.

 

[bouee]

The only hazard the Jacksons face in this trial is themselves, their lies which they spread to get money from tabloids before and after his death . Beside that it is pretty obvious AEG did see MJ's health deteriorating and did nothing but increased the pressure on him to preform .

They know if the jury has any sympathy toward MJ , they would lose big time. Their enemy in this trial is MJ himself. They started their opening statement by saying he was the biggest star in the world ,they were working for him not the opposite, the tickets sold like hot cake .... now when it's convenient he was so unpopular , he was no one, they are very used to tickets selling that well , nothing was special really ...etc .

The fact that Gonga instructed the execs to FOOL MJ into believing he was making 100 millions " he likes big numbers" while their estimation stated he would only make $ 20 to 30 millions out of 50 shows is more than enough to demonstrate the length they were going to take to guarantee he would sign a contract with them for their own benefit . The fact that his managers who should have been working for his benefits were getting their instructions from AEG , you would believe Frank and Tohme were AEG's employees . :smilerolleyes:

Katherine is greedy and the worst mother in the world , this is a notion many of us believe in even before she took the stand . That does not mean AEG do not deserve to pay for what they did .

They are greedy opportunists, I have no doubt they would try to use the molestation as much as possible to inflame the juries emotions against MJ . The less the jury sees MJ as a victim , the safer AEG will be .

Completely agree- again.

They used his financial situation AND Murray to increase the pressure.
They contributed to make it worse by not insuring the shows , letting the costs fly - with no signature-, etc..

The Jacksons are what they are, they don't deserve money IMO, but I agree AEG deserves to pay for what they did. I wish it was possible- maybe it will be- to give the money to the kids only, or to charities, if they lose.

 

[Soundmind]

is it me or did their latest witness say that AEG exes called him freak because that's what he was called by people before ? yes that what he meant exactly reminding the jury that the public think he's a freak , the one who called him creepy was more careful when answering the question but this one seemed a complete hater on a mission to downplay everything Michael Jackson

 

[bouee]

how about being realistic? no one is going to be prosecuted for giving Propofol as it's not a controlled substance and they did not cause injury or death to Michael. The usage of Propofol might be improper but it's not illegal. That's the reason why no one prosecuted Murray for buying or Applied pharmacy for selling it. The only person sued for "medical malpractice" is the doctor who caused an injury or death to the patient as that's the definition of medical malpractice.

Not prosecuted, that's true, but what would the medical boards think of that ?