Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

[GinnyJackson]

i think we all need to calm our hot heads down and think before we speak.

 

[athina_livadi]

Peace people peace. We are here for Michael not for arguments!

 

[summer]

It is my opinion, the people contantly saying "fake vocals" are part of a "strange" destructive campaign against the continuation of the musical legacy of Michael Jackson.

Please. If it were "fans" who had occassionally been listening to MJ saying that I would buy that comment, but when it is basically 98% of the fans who have been MJ fans for DECADES saying it's not MJ, you've got a serious problem.

I can't speak for other fans though, only for myself. I was CONVINCED the family is crazy for saying it's not MJ on the songs and was ready to go rant at them on Twitter and tell them they're out of their minds...until I heard the song. I've listened to it over and over again...with headphones...without headphone...with the volume turned all the way up...with it turned all the way down...and I STILL can't hear MJ if you don't count maybe a few "aows" and "heehees" here and there.

I've been MJ's fan for 23 years by now. Through the Chandler scandal...through the whole thing with Sony...through the whole trial 2003-2005...and I'm still a huge fan now even after he is gone. Not just a fan of his music but of him as a person too. I LOVE Michael and NOTHING is more important to me than his legacy and that his name is being represented in the best possible way. NOTHING. Knowing Michael HIMSELF was a perfectionist, do YOU think he would have been HAPPY to hear a song in which he doesn't sound like himself?? HONESTLY??!! We don't know how he would have wanted the songs to sound because he is not here to tell us, but the ONE thing we can be ABSOLUTELY SURE of is that he would have NEVER been happy with a song that sounds "close enough" like him. Don't you think we OWE Michael that at least his VOICE gets preserved to the next generations the way it WAS??!! I mean, really...HOW do you want Michael to be remembered? If they put Navi on the videos next...will that be fine with some fans too?? After all that's kind of "close enough" as well...Think about it for a second...and let me ask you...WHO do you think are the ones trying to ruin MJ's legacy. Give it a REALLY good thought before you answer....

Yeahhhhhh. Fans that have been here for years. We have been planning this for years. Before MJ's death.

Yeah. Exactly!! :doh: :lol: :lol: PLEASE!!!

 

[classic]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

Ok, so...

. . . And to those who say MJ always exercised humility in his songs, and therefore the lyrics on 'Breaking News' don't suit him... I have to disagree. To me, songs like 'Bad' and 'Threatened', and other works such as 'Brace Yourself' and the HIStory Teaser show MJ projecting himself as being larger than life, and I think that he loved the controversy those pieces created and the way it got everyone's attention.

Thanks for saying this. I could not believe that people were acting as if the subject matter and content would not be a Michael Jackson song. Have people forgotten the song Invincible? People thought that was humility? No, it was Michael kicking @ss as he should have. It is along the same lines thematically.

Anyway, the one thing that stood out to me with all the tweets back and forth was the one line where Cory makes the comment that too many non-family are involved in running the estate or something to that effect (not quoting word for word). When I read that , that instantly made me think that this is what this is becoming about for some, whether the Jackson family is making it about that or not. For some, this is the actual fight because otherwise why even mention that when the problem is suppose to be about the song's authenticity? If the family members heard the songs, then they must have been consulted in some fashion. And if they don't believe that the song is Michael, then fine; they have that right to question it. But, why would anyone bring up this bit about who is running the estate?

I also have seen people say no one questioned anything about TII movie. People are either having memory loss or selective memory; it was the same accusations from some.

At some point people are going to have to get over it about to whom Michael left the management of his estate. No matter what will you go by, he did not leave the management of his estate to anyone in the family. Even if you want to say the will is not valid, he apparently did not update the will at any recent point and give it to a family member to insure that it was enforced correctly. Michael must have chosen not to have family involved in the estate management. At least people should respect that if they are going to demand respect about an album release and song choice.

I am not invested in this one way or the other. If it is fake, then it should be out of there. If not, then leave it alone and either like the song or not. No one liked every single Michael Jackson song.

I just know that this has become way more than anything about a song. And that is the shame. That is why it won't matter what proof is shown one way or the other for some because deep down it is only a bit to do with the song.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

This thread has gone from being contructive to very destructive.

If you check posts in positive-BN and then in negative-BN thread you'll see that anti-BN people don't talk there, they are here and in other general threads.
I am very tolerant person but it's very depressing to read so much bashing.

 

[classic]

Please. If it were "fans" who had occassionally been listening to MJ saying that I would buy that comment, but when it is basically 98% of the fans who have been MJ fans for DECADES saying it's not MJ, you've got a serious problem.

. . .

Where are people getting these percentages from?

We can't talk about the Estate's verification if people are going to be pulling numbers like this.

 

[summer]

Where are people getting these percentages from?

We can't talk about the Estate's verification if people are going to be pulling numbers like this.

Okay...then let me change it to "the majority"...if you wanna nitpick...

 

[butterflies]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

Who are this bunch of people though? Rodney Jerkins? I'm sorry, but I'll believe Bruce Swedien, Greg Phillinganes, Teddy Riley and Dorian Holly over Rodney any day. No disrespect, but all of them worked with MJ a lot more and a lot longer than he did.

And yes, there have been a lot of reports saying that his mother and children don't think it is him... But I have not seen any official statements from any of them. Again, I have all the respect in the world for Mrs. Jackson and Michael's kids, but I am not convinced that this is their actual opinion until I see an official statement from them or hear it from their own mouths.

All we got is 3T tweeting like their lives depend on it, Jackie Jackson contradicting himself and La Toya... Well, being La Toya. And they haven't worked with MJ for a very, very long time -- 3T and Janet were the last ones, during the HIStory project, and that was 15 years ago. Oh, and we got Jermaine saying that he, literally, "knows nothing". And the two family members whose opinion I'd value most in this situation, Janet and Randy, have (for as far as I know) kept quiet.

Edit: I do agree about the raw demo -- I'd like to hear it as well. I'm already convinced, but I'm just that curious and it'd probably help in convincing some of the more... zealous fans.

Once again, the voice of reason. Thank you. That's what I said earlier too - we hear about reports about what Katharine and the kids have said, but where is the proof of that? Why do people want to see actual proof from the forensic musicologists, but they don't want to see proof from those who have said it's NOT Michael?

 

[callmerose]

Please. If it were "fans" who had occassionally been listening to MJ saying that I would buy that comment, but when it is basically 98% of the fans who have been MJ fans for DECADES saying it's not MJ, you've got a serious problem.

I can't speak for other fans though, only for myself. I was CONVINCED the family is crazy for saying it's not MJ on the songs and was ready to go rant at them on Twitter and tell them they're out of their minds...until I heard the song. I've listened to it over and over again...with headphones...without headphone...with the volume turned all the way up...with it turned all the way down...and I STILL can't hear MJ if you don't count maybe a few "aows" and "heehees" here and there.

I've been MJ's fan for 23 years by now. Through the Chandler scandal...through the whole thing with Sony...through the whole trial 2003-2005...and I'm still a huge fan now even after he is gone. Not just a fan of his music but of him as a person too. I LOVE Michael and NOTHING is more important to me than his legacy and that his name is being represented in the best possible way. NOTHING. Knowing Michael HIMSELF was a perfectionist, do YOU think he would have been HAPPY to hear a song in which he doesn't sound like himself?? HONESTLY??!! We don't know how he would have wanted the songs to sound because he is not here to tell us, but the ONE thing we can be ABSOLUTELY SURE of is that he would have NEVER been happy with a song that sounds "close enough" like him. Don't you think we OWE Michael that at least his VOICE gets preserved to the next generations the way it WAS??!! I mean, really...HOW do you want Michael to be remembered? If they put Navi on the videos next...will that be fine with some fans too?? After all that's kind of "close enough" as well...Think about it for a second...and let me ask you...WHO do you think are the ones trying to ruin MJ's legacy. Give it a REALLY good thought before you answer....





Yeah. Exactly!! :doh: :lol: :lol: PLEASE!!!

This.

 

[bluetopez]

Originally Posted by CherubimII
It is my opinion, the people contantly saying "fake vocals" are part of a "strange" destructive campaign against the continuation of the musical legacy of Michael Jackson.

Originally Posted by CherubimII
This thread has gone from being contructive to very destructive.

And by accusing fans of being part of "a "strange" destructive campaign against the continuation of the musical legacy of Michael Jackson." You think that u are being constructive? I think your being delusional! Seriously, I can't believed u said that! I'll pray for you! lol

 

[callmerose]

It is my opinion, the people contantly saying "fake vocals" are part of a "strange" destructive campaign against the continuation of the musical legacy of Michael Jackson.

Geez! Can't people who disagree just differ in opinion without being accused of outlandish conspiracy theories? Really. If you only knew who you were accusing of this.........

 

[classic]

Okay...then let me change it to "the majority"...if you wanna nitpick...

I'm not trying to nitpick but have a discussion. How are people going to ever know the truth about anything if this type of "information" is thrown about whether from fans, Sony, the Estate reps, the family, friends, etc.?

Change it to "the majority." My question would still stand. What is this based on?

It is like when I asked how do people know that the acapella version uploaded was authentic. I don't think that I ever got an answer. Some people are just throwing info. around and then complaining that they think others are doing just that. How can people do it and then complain that someone else is doing the same?

It is just not necessary. Last night, on one board someone was posting a fan made pix saying that that was further proof that Sony is falsifying things. Come to find out that Sony had nothing to do with the fan made pix. But, people had already started saying how they couldn't believe the extent that Sony had gone to con the fans. Do you see how easy it is for either side to get carried away? Can't we just stick to the facts? I remember that is what people did during Michael's trial. There weren't all these emotional posts thrown around; there were hard facts; and when that wasn't available, then people waited. Why not now?

I hated when Michael was acquitted and some people had the attitude "I don't care what the jury said" because I only want to hear and believe what supports what I think. During the trial people talked about how good the Cascios were to Michael. What have you actually seen and known that would make you think otherwise now with no room for being wrong? The same can be said for Michael's nephews. So, we may not be in any position to fully support one side or the other. We may just be in the position of having to wait for all the info. or as much as possible to fall out.

 

[butterflies]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

So Teddy confirms Corey and Taryl WERE THERE.

And Teddy says that Corey was on Taryl's side (according to Corey more than him took his side) so from that I deduce that not EVERYBODY there thought this was Michael, as the statement from the estate tries to pass us the lie that EVERYBODY agreed on the matter

No, the statement did not say that everyone in the room agreed. It simply named all of the people who were there who do believe it's definitely Michael.

 

[Gottobethere]

Are people really still questioning this,i mean okay maybe there was a tiny bit of doubt when the rumours came out on Monday but a little bit of rational thinking and you will come to thet conclusion that it is 100% Michael. Maybe the problem is that many fans can't think rationally, i mean many here still think june 25th was a conspiracy and not neglect.

 

[Petrarose]

CHERUBIM, I am so shocked. Not by your opinion but your choice of words. I cannot believe that you are the same person who always use prayer phrases and God in your posts. Is it really you. Your last 2 messages have my head spinning. First, it was Smooth who heard an opinion of someone and wrote a statement making it seem that a staff in Sony whom he knows said certain things. Next he said something completely different and did not apologize. I let that go because people are human. Now, your choice of words. I am so disappointed. Really I am. What is happening here? Please say you are sorry.

 

[Kikuchiyo]

Geez! Can't people who disagree just differ in opinion without being accused of outlandish conspiracy theories?

I read in this topic that all people mentioned in "Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans" are lying or they are bla bla bla....
IMO that is outlandish conspiracy theory!

 

[butterflies]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

I won't be buying the album if it contains any suspected track.

Of the Cascio tracks:
- They all came out of no where.
- They all don't sound like Michael.
- There are no alternate takes.
- The family is against them.

Listen to his mother, his children, his brother... something ain't right!

They came out of nowhere? I've been reading posts from fans for MONTHS who have been asking, "Will the Cascio tracks be included on the album? I hope so!!!" I had no idea what they were or why everyone was so convinced they were so great since they'd never heard them.
They all don't sound like Michael? We've heard one song, and only very short snippets of the other two (that MAY BE included), and that was with a voice talking over it the whole time.
Where is the proof that his mom and children have said that? I haven't seen it yet. His brothers or LaToya said it wasn't him? No disrespect meant to them, but who cares? They seem to try to ruin everything for Michael anyway. The green-eyed monster always seems to rear its ugly head...

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

No, the statement did not say that everyone in the room agreed. It simply named all of the people who were there who do believe it's definitely Michael.

I understand you, but do you see how that is cleverly written to make it sound as though these were all the people and they all agreed? They did not say they asked a number of people and X number said yes and after more debate they all agreed. However, I get you.

 

[butterflies]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

This isnt on Michaeljackson.com becuase it isnt a statement from SONY
Its a statement from The Michael Jackson's Estate.

I guess SONY will have to make thier own statement

Yes, there seems to be a lot of confusion regarding Sony and the Estate for some reason. Sony is not the Estate (not directed toward you, of course, but those who don't know the difference).

 

[callmerose]

I read in this topic that all people mentioned in "Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans" are lying or they are bla bla bla....
IMO that is outlandish conspiracy theory!

You're right, it is. Happens on both sides of this issue. Ridiculous in both instances.

 

[L.T.D]

Are people really still questioning this,i mean okay maybe there was a tiny bit of doubt when the rumours came out on Monday but a little bit of rational thinking and you will come to thet conclusion that it is 100% Michael. Maybe the problem is that many fans can't think rationally, i mean many here still think june 25th was a conspiracy and not neglect.

Are you kidding me........are you actually kidding me?

I'm going to say it one last time in big capital letters so its sticks in your mind.

THE SOLE REASON WHY WE DONT THINK THIS IS MICHAEL, IS SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DONT THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE HIM. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE FAMILY HAS SAID, WE WERE THINKING RATIONALLY ON MONDAY MORNING WHEN WE STARTED LISTENING TO THE SONG. WE WERE AGAINST THE FAMILY BEFORE MONDAY MORNING, THINKING THEY WERE JUST TALKING ****. AS SOON AS WE HEARD THE SONG, WITH OUR OWN EARS. THATS WHEN WE THOUGHT IT WAS FAKE.

Again lets summarise:

• Before Monday, we thought the family were talking crap. We didnt buy into it at all and fully expected the family to be embarrassed on Monday morning.
• The SOLE reason why we dont think this is Michael, is that we have heard it and it doesnt sound like him in most parts. That is all, there is no other reason.

I'm just going to have to come to the conclusion that you are reading my posts and refusing to listen. As the idea that we dont believe its Michael because it doesnt sound like him must be terribly hard for you to comprehend!

Just accept it, you feel it is Michael. We dont. So please, i'm begging you, just accept our reasoning for not thinking its him and move on! There are no conspiracy theories here.

One side believes its Michael because they think it sounds like him, the other side doesnt think its Michael because we think it doesnt sound like him. That is all there is to it.

 

[jemini515]

I shot off another message to Sony:

"Now that the Estate of Michael Jackson has released their statement revealing the name of the vocal impersonator on Breaking News, would you please consider issuing an apology that this was promoted as a new "Michael Jackson" song? The track clearly features another singer on lead vocals for a large portion of the song. If we had known this from the outset, there would have been far less outcry. Many of the fans feel deceived and dubious of future tracks that may be released under the name Michael Jackson.

Additionally, many fans would really appreciate hearing the rough demo that the industry experts heard during their authenticity judging. I hope you consider making this available in some way.

Thank you."

 

[callmerose]

And by accusing fans of being part of "a "strange" destructive campaign against the continuation of the musical legacy of Michael Jackson." You think that u are being constructive? I think your being delusional! Seriously, I can't believed u said that! I'll pray for you! lol

:lmao:

 

[butterflies]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

Here's the problem. The Estate and $ony want this album to be more current stuff when the quality happens to be more older stuff. As a result, we end up with the Cascio crap.

My head is about to explode. We have been talking about this album for many months, and we ALL WANT CURRENT SONGS. Everyone was saying, "It better not be songs from the 80's, we want the most current songs." Also, they kept saying they wanted the Cascio and Will.I.Am tracks. I had no idea why, but I just assumed everyone knew more than I did.
I just want to hear Michael, and I want to hear the songs he worked on during the last years of his life. I'll be happy with them no matter what, even if they have to be fixed up to be releasable. I don't care. It's still him.

 

[Billie_Jean09]

I think my head is going to explode with all of this!
:8-25-03bomb:
Here's my opinion on BN song............
( please bear with me cos my head really hurts )
A song that has a similar vien/message to tabloid junkie, with the build up intro as BN has................would have Michael singing 100% passionately, as he does in his songs that 'fight back' at the injustices he endured.
To have just snippets of the real Michael Jackson, and be filled in with another artist doesnt present the credibility, authenticity, passion that we would normally expect from MJ on a song of this vein/type.:doh:
I do however think that I definately hear the real MJ right at the very end, the last 2 words Breaking News. Anyone agree?
I also think it's very sad as Michael would hate any unfinished work to be presented to his fans, being a perfectionist that he was.
Having said that I was grateful for TII, and also I do like the catchy upbeatness ( created a new word? lol ) of BN.
We have it, we either accept and enjoy it or we dont.
Where's the paracentamols???:banghead:

 

[Autumn II]

Are people really still questioning this,i mean okay maybe there was a tiny bit of doubt when the rumours came out on Monday but a little bit of rational thinking and you will come to thet conclusion that it is 100% Michael. Maybe the problem is that many fans can't think rationally, i mean many here still think june 25th was a conspiracy and not neglect.

I have not seen ONE post out of very many, that has mentioned "conspiracy" here in this thread. Not ONE.

Those of us who have questioned the authenticity, of part or all, of Breaking News are not "irrational." My estimation of the authenticity of BN has NOTHING to do with anything anyone has said, but of decades of Michael's music.

Agree to disagree.

 

[classic]

I shot off another message to Sony:

"Now that the Estate of Michael Jackson has released their statement revealing the name of the vocal impersonator on Breaking News, would you please consider issuing an apology that this was promoted as a new "Michael Jackson" song? The track clearly features another singer on lead vocals for a large portion of the song. If we had known this from the outset, there would have been far less outcry. Many of the fans feel deceived and dubious of future tracks that may be released under the name Michael Jackson.

Additionally, many fans would really appreciate hearing the rough demo that the industry experts heard during their authenticity judging. I hope you consider making this available in some way.

Thank you."

Aren't you misquoting the statement from the Estate? If people truly believe in their stance, then misquotes such as these are unnecessary.

 

[butterflies]

Re: Official Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

I'll be honest and say that I'm shocked to see how some people responds to this statement.

one day we want to ask the people that Michael worked with what they think about it, the next day when we hear their opinions we suddenly chose to discredit them.

one day we ask Gaz for a statement from the estate, the minute he delivers what we want, we claim it's fake.

seriously people?

so what this statement tells us is actually that we were all correct - it's part Michael and it's not part Michael.

about 3T : I actually like them as a person but still I have some questions.

Yes they worked with Michael but the question is how much? We know that their album had 2-3 songs with Michael on them but how much time they spent in the studio with Michael? Honestly all the other people listed has spent more time working with Michael then 3T.

Plus some people accept what 3T claims to be the absolute undebatable truth but they fail to see that they don't actually provide any solid concrete proof either. They say that "they know their uncle" and that statement is no concrete than any other person's opinion.

About Rodney Jenkins = yes he has worked with Michael and voiced his opinion but is his opinion based on the actual raw vocals or the finished song streaming ? You know that makes a difference.



just to be clear that's still fraud. I know that there's a "sony can do what ever they want and get away with it" belief but that's not quite true. I'll give you the alternative scenario

- someone (such as 3T) sues Sony for fraud (putting fake vocals)
- they ask court to send the materials for independent examination (as sony's own examination could be biased and the judge would agree)
- judge chooses their own random forensic expert and get the results
- if the results do not match that would be fraud on both accounts and falsification of the documents.

If that's the case (that the vocals are fake and sony created the reports) the wise thing would be to take it court not twitter IMO.




Yes I think so too. There's no point in arguing about it IMO. It's just a personal decision now to whether buy the album or not.

:clapping: Excellent post! Thank you!

 

[startinsomethin87]

The fact that they can't even get Stuart Brawley's name right in the message tells me how much "attention" they pay into DETAILS..... :doh:

I don't care how MANY times people tell me it's MJ...it won't change the FACT that MJ doesn't sound like MJ on "Breaking News". And as long as it doesn't sound like him obviously SOMETHING needs to be done. If everyone heard the DEMO and had no doubts it's MJ, then obviously something happened while Teddy Riley was in the studio. So if it IS Michael's vocals on the demo, it should not be that hard to go BACK to the studio and mix the song again (or do whatever you gotta do) to get it right. Or if you can't do that...then leave the song out. That simple. Like I said on Twitter, remember that Michael was completely unhappy with Thriller when he first heard it...but he went back to the studio and mixed it all again to get it right and came out with a masterpiece.

Michael was a PERFECTIONIST. His music is his legacy. Michael is not here anymore to tell anyone how he wants any of the songs to sound. But don't you all think that the ONE thing we can be SURE he would have wanted, would have been that the songs with his name on sound like HIM??!! That is the ONE thing we can be SURE of!! MJ would have never been fine with "oh it sounds close enough". You KNOW that!! Don't we own at least THAT to him?? I care about Michael and I care about his legacy and all I am asking for is that if it is MJ singing that song (like they are all so sure of) that they GO BACK TO THE STUDIO to GET IT RIGHT. If they have MJ's vocals on the demo, it shouldn't be that difficult to do. Instead of wasting time with forensic musicologists and what not...they should make an effort to GET IT RIGHT. And if it can't be done..then DON'T PUT THAT SONG ON THE ALBUM!!! Tha simple!! If we have to be TOLD it is Michael Jackson singing the song, obviously SOMETHING is wrong. Like someone said on Twitter..if you can't HEAR it's MJ on the song, the song DON'T belong on a Michael Jackson album!! Period!! I don't need a forensic musicologist to tell me it's MJ when I have EARS myself!! I mean, what's next? We get a video where the person on it looks like Navi...and theywill tell us "no that is really MJ"...

Can you ask him when did he hear it and which parts are Michael? I heard demos from Michael before and he sounds like himself.

This is my problem: There are orange juice products which the manufactures call orange juice. When you look at the label you see a lot of ingredients and they have a higher percentage than the orange in the bottle. I do not call these things orange juice, but orange flavored juice. Notice the difference, so I want a Michael Jackson song.

You two hit the nail on the head so hard it split the board. I would like to offer you both a virtual high five.

*high fives*

 

[SmoothCollins]

This statement is 0% no different than the arguments they've had before. I can't believe people are believing it based upon what other people say- trust yourself, people.

Have you ever seen Changeling? Everyone "official" kept telling Christine: "This IS your son." (But his height is shorter!) "Yeah that happens under stress". (But he doesn't look like my son!) "Yeah it's been a year, he grew." (It's not my son!!) "Give him a try- everyone else says it is. Look lady, we've had it officially confirmed that this IS your son. You are crazy- just accept what we say."

She wasn't going to accept people's thoughts just because they were official people in uniform- she obviously knew with her heart that wasn't her son and she didn't let people convince her to just swallow it. You guys KNOW what you hear. Believe in yourself.