Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

[Eric]

Yes, I think so. But probably not in the same way as you.

Great. I didn't realize that you are a more credible source than the estate of MJ and the producers/engineers listed. I'll make sure to listen to you from now on.

 

[smooth_criminal05]

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Sony did not "pay off" 20 different people to claim the voice is MJ's. This album will be big for them...but not that big. Don't be unrealistic. There are literally over a dozen legit people claiming the voice is MJ's. That's their opinion. It looks as if we have to deal with these 3 songs. If some fans object, simply don't purchase the album.

 

[barok232]

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Why are you asking for Gaz to say what he thinks about it? Seems like you're looking for other's opinions to make your own decision. The estate and the 6 listed producers have said it's MJ's vocals. What more information do you need?

And it is clear you don't need others' opinions to decide? Look at your post man, this is hilarious:hysterical:

 

[Eric]

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Or maybe some producers/engineers are involved in the MICHAEL project and they have to say it's Michael's voice.

It's sad that you would think ALL 6 of those producers would lie and say that it's MJ if they believed it wasn't.

 

[Eric]

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And it is clear you don't need others' opinions to decide? Look at your post man, this is hilarious:hysterical:

I've said it was MJ from the first day I heard the song. And I never asked for what Gaz or anyone else thinks about it.

 

[144000]

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Ok, so...

- We got a bunch of names of people everyone here should recognize and respect, and they have ALL confirmed it is MJ on 'Breaking News' and the other Cascio tracks.

- We got confirmation that these people based their opinion on the RAW A CAPELLA VOCALS of these tracks.

- We got confirmation that Sony and The Estate both conducted separate investigations, hiring forensic musicologists who performed scientific waveform analysis tests and concluded that it was indeed Michael Jackson singing on all of the songs on the album.

- We got confirmation that the Cascio tracks are demo recordings. Meaning they need to be worked on to reach a state where they would be considered fit for use as official releases. This includes enhancing the vocals.

- We got confirmation that James Porte sings background vocals on 'Breaking News'. This was already quite obvious in lines like "Reporters stalking the moves of Michael Jackson", but there you go. Confirmation. And this is not a big deal, either. Tons of people have sung background vocals on MJ songs in the past.

- We also got confirmation that Jason Malachi was not in any way involved with this project. Not that I needed that one, but yea. There you go.

And still some people are not convinced. Is it stubbornness? Narrow-mindedness? Or does this (subconsciously or not) go way, way deeper and are you guys just having a really, really hard time wrapping your head around the fact that a Michael Jackson album is about to be released without the man himself being around to make sure the material is up to his standards of excellence? To me it seems that, whether you all know it or not, option #3 is by far the most likely one.

Oh, and to all of you who claim MJ always exercised humility in his songs, and therefore the lyrics on 'Breaking News' don't suit him... Don't be silly. Have you heard 'Bad', 'Unbreakable' and 'Threatened'? Have you seen 'Brace Yourself' and the HIStory Teaser? He loved projecting himself as being larger than life. He loved the controversy it created and the way it got everyone's attention.

everytime someone like you wants to make a point. you label and belittle other fans. that's how you throw your argument out the window. try another approach. and unbreakable is not arrogant. it's showing strength in adversity. no self naming. if someone was trying to get me down, i'd say i'm strong, too. have you heard 'i am woman' by helen reddy? she said i am strong, invincible and woman. that's not aggrandizing, in the face of women being opprssed. Bad is just a gangland style funromp lyric. and HIStory is just a circus style victory march that fans wanted to see and eat right up. no self naming over and over, as i am Michael Jackson the big kahunal in BN.

it has nothing to do with the aggrandizing style of that BN lyric.
if that can't be gotten through to you, there's nothing that can't be done.
but next time, leave the personal attacks out of it. we can do without what you and deano and others like to do, when you want to put out your point.

now full disclosure is supposed to happen before controversy. all commercials have disclaimers. that didn't happen here. now if you wanna buy it, buy it. but stop belittling those who disagree with you. you can make your decision, but please leave other fans out of it. R.E.S.P.E.C.T. is the rule of the site.

 

[AhSeeingVoicesMs]

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you guys must be on serious crack if you believe those wackass vocals are Michael.....wake up ..*sigh*

 

[André89]

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Great. I didn't realize that you are a more credible source than the estate of MJ and the producers/engineers listed. I'll make sure to listen to you from now on.

If you cannot answer me in a polite way, then just don't do it at all. There's no need to be a smartass.

I think it's obvious that Michael does not sing BN. That's my opinion. And I even though I think they're wrong, respect the fact that others believe the opposite. Have I tried to ridicule you for believing what you do? No, I have not. And therefore I will not tolerate that others do that to me either.

End of discussion.

 

[Memefan]

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Teddy Riley just tweeted that Taryll is managed by Cory Rooney. So he does have a dog in this fight.

Lol

Everyone is in this for their damn self.

May I remind Mr. Rooney that MJ decided not to give a say in his estate to his family.

Now I truly believe the Jacksons (3T) are manipulating the kids to pick sides. And again, where is Randy...Randy worked extensively in the studio with MJ...why hasn't he said anything???


Makes you wonder...

 

[dangerous dave]

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I will buy vision soon but not the album unfortunally

 

[HIStory]

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Teddy Riley just tweeted that Taryll is managed by Cory Rooney. So he does have a dog in this fight.

Lol

Everyone is in this for their damn self.

May I remind Mr. Rooney that MJ decided not to give a say in his estate to his family.

Now I truly believe the Jacksons (3T) are manipulating the kids to pick sides. And again, where is Randy...Randy worked extensively in the studio with MJ...why hasn't he said anything???


Make you wonder...

And Bobby Ewing is managed by Frank Dileo, so Dileo's words don't count either.

 

[barok232]

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I've said it was MJ from the first day I heard the song. And I never asked for what Gaz or anyone else thinks about it.

Ok and I've said it wasn't MJ from the first minutes the song was broadcasted. Go see my posts if you like and PLEASE stop arguing with me from now on, as I will

 

[HIStory]

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There are literally over a dozen legit people claiming the voice is MJ's.

Well, Cory Rooney said it's not what all those people claimed, so who knows?

 

[APOM]

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We also have a bunch of people who have worked with MJ, and HIS OWN MOTHER AND KIDS who think it isnt MJ.

Yeah, all these people heard the Raw Acapella vocals.......before it was edited to death. Why not let us hear the demo....

Who are this bunch of people though? Rodney Jerkins? I'm sorry, but I'll believe Bruce Swedien, Greg Phillinganes, Teddy Riley and Dorian Holly over Rodney any day. No disrespect, but all of them worked with MJ a lot more and a lot longer than he did.

And yes, there have been a lot of reports saying that his mother and children don't think it is him... But I have not seen any official statements from any of them. Again, I have all the respect in the world for Mrs. Jackson and Michael's kids, but I am not convinced that this is their actual opinion until I see an official statement from them or hear it from their own mouths.

All we got is 3T tweeting like their lives depend on it, Jackie Jackson contradicting himself and La Toya... Well, being La Toya. And they haven't worked with MJ for a very, very long time -- 3T and Janet were the last ones, during the HIStory project, and that was 15 years ago. Oh, and we got Jermaine saying that he, literally, "knows nothing". And the two family members whose opinion I'd value most in this situation, Janet and Randy, have (for as far as I know) kept quiet.

Edit: I do agree about the raw demo -- I'd like to hear it as well. I'm already convinced, but I'm just that curious and it'd probably help in convincing some of the more... zealous fans.

 

[dupsy]

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Sony did not "pay off" 20 different people to claim the voice is MJ's. This album will be big for them...but not that big. Don't be unrealistic. There are literally over a dozen legit people claiming the voice is MJ's. That's their opinion. It looks as if we have to deal with these 3 songs. If some fans object, simply don't purchase the album.

why cant they just lose the 3 tracks and make the album very big instead of just big.A lot of people are not going to buy this album,even people who are not diehard online mj fan.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Some people won't accept "concrete evidence" even if that concrete evidence hit them in the face.

There's "concrete evidence" that man went to the moon, that Elvis and Princess Diana are dead, and that the earth is round, but do you know the percentage of people that still don't believe any of it!? And I'm not including people sectioned away in mental institutions, theese are people walking around with jobs and mortgages!

I'm old enough to know that when some people make their minds up, there is no changing them, and I recognise some of these people on this forum. Some of them have even said "I don't CARE what evidence I am given, I will NEVER believe that this is a Michael Jackson song!" 'Closed minds' and all that.

You can debate with people like that I'm afraid. Your only hope is that they will go away. If they don't go away though and (like we have seen on here), they continue to post 'fake' links with made up comments from 'fake' Facebook and Twatter accounts (without a hint or understanding of 'irony'!), then you have to carry on fighting them with reason and facts.

"Concrete evidence" my arse. Some of these people are so 'closed minded' that, even if MJ appeared in front of them and told them the truth, they would never accept it.

Oh really now? There have probably been a few people who said this, but you are saying it like every fan in here acted like that, which is nonsense. If Sony would actually release the acapella and/or the demo, that would be a nice thing, it would most probably prove alot. Is there any reason not to release these? I think there's plenty of reasons to do that. Also they could release the analysis of this all, since they claim it has been done.

Why am i even replying to you though...since for the last few replies you just ignored me, that's the easy way...i understand that, sigh.

And that thing about a stupid dog..you just made it up? Is it supposed to be funny cause i don't see anything humorous about it. What ticks me off the most about you is how you keep trying to make fun of the people who refuse to believe that it's Michael on the song. Maybe you never heard of the little simple word called OPINION?!!!!!

I said it before and i'll do it again, you rather believe everything Sony tells you, that's fine, that's your problem, not mine. DO respect other people who do not believe it's Michael, cause they simply don't hear the real Mike on the vocals, neither do i. Only real evidence/proof could make me think otherwise. That's simply the way it is, and nothing else. Respect that and quit with the stupid comments! Especially quit with the shit about how all these fans would say 'Even if MJ was here and say it was real..they wouldn't believe it' that's BS, and maybe a handful of people on here said that.

 

[OnirMJ]

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If Michael Jackson or Jesus Christ don't show up and tell me that these songs are MJ's I will not change my mind because I have healthy ears and I know Michael's voice. I don't care about all these producers and FBI agents involved.

 

[Sharlene]

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I am so freaking lost! :doh:

 

[Tipareth]

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i saw those. detaching himself and sounding self important are two different things. what he did at those depositions is nothing like this self important lyric.

For me is not self important. It's truth. There where forces wanting to destroy Michael Jackson, this is fact.

As for self importance, sometimes Mike loved that - see the History statue as prime example.



I tend to believe that Teddy Riley are saying the truth in this matter. Hard working producer and engineer working with Mike for nearly decade and half in one case, and 2 decades in the other case.

They worked hard, all those years, sitting near our Mike. Hours and hours and nights, and days....

Yeah 3T worked too with Mike, but how long? Couple of songs at most. Fact that they are part of family does not ensure them capacity of being audio analysts for an musical piece.
Corey Rooney - how many years he collaborated with Mike?






And why to lie, this is nonsense?? Why lose credibility and sales? Where's logic behind this mess? Why paying many people to lie? Why commit fraud of proportion? For what? For 3 mere songs! Wow, how deep.... conspiracy... for this! It would have been easier for them to say this was just a test, game and hide the tracks.

In my opinion, main vocals are some MJ vocals on poor thrown on poor audio device. Background vocals - another guy that is credited ( I knew it from the start, when many fans were thinking otherwise )
The word 'Jackson' is also not Mike.
And they copy paste some sounds from other Michael songs.

 

[Eric]

If you cannot answer me in a polite way, then just don't do it at all. There's no need to be a smartass.

I think it's obvious that Michael does not sing BN. That's my opinion. And I even though I think they're wrong, respect the fact that others believe the opposite. Have I tried to ridicule you for believing what you do? No, I have not. And therefore I will not tolerate that others do that to me either.

End of discussion.

If you believe it's obvious that MJ is not singing on Breaking News, how is it not obvious to the 6 producers that have worked with MJ numerous times? I mean if you have recoreded a song with MJ you would have some credibility against the other producers. Why is something so obvious to you not obvious to others that have worked with MJ over the years.

 

[Fly Away ♥]

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I don't even have any words... I can barely comprehend this...

I won't be buying the album. Before all this crap happened, I was planning on buying multiple copies, but I just can't bring myself to support something I know contains fake tracks that Michael would be rolling in his grave over. The real songs I'll either buy off iTunes (then download illegally for better quality audio), or if I can't get them on iTunes, will just download illegally.

This is such an insult to Michael's artistry and talent. If this album sells well, we'll probably be hearing more fake tracks on future releases. They're going to milk this for all its worth... any half assed, barely there demos they can find, they'll probably bring in "backing vocalists" (more like a mediocre singer to sing the LEAD vocals) with more sampled MJ thrown in to convince people its real.

I just can't believe this shit is going to be thrown out there for everyone to hear... it will FOREVER be on a MICHAEL JACKSON album. Years after this people will probably look back and everyone will think its him singing. I'm so disturbed by that. This is shaping HISTORY... Michael's history. It can't be undone.

I'm sickened by the lies, the disrespect, the corruption... they're slapping Michael in the face and tainting his legacy.

Poor Michael.

 

[Unb]

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if michael jackson or jesus christ don't show up and tell me that these songs are mj's i will not change my mind because i have healthy ears and i know michael's voice. I don't care about all these producers and fbi agents involved.

excatly.

 

[Casey R]

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This is some bullshit.

And to counter the people's claims of "well you just don't like the song so blah blah blah" - I actually kind of like the song. That doesn't change anything, because it's still NOT Michael.

I notice Teddy is now saying that James Porte is only on the chorus. That contradicts what he said before about it being 100% MJ.

That isn't Michael Jackson singing the leads on the song. Get your hearing checked if you think it is.

 

[TheHeroez]

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In My Opinion...
IF Sony remove those 3 tracks like you guys would hope, that means 100% Sony wants money. cuz you're happy( that those tracks are removed), and Sony happy ( of the money)

In fact, Sony put those tracks cuz they believe they are MJ's, there's no way they put other artists songs on the album except MJ.

 

[wolfrevenant]

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I have a feeling that even if the raw demos of BN were released, people will still draw different conclusions from it to support their own arguments. I mean, the real acapella didn't really do much to convince any of the stubborn ones of either side. Maybe those on the fence, but not the really stubborn ones.

 

[Derek1984]

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WOW. A new Michael Jackson album is coming out and I am NOT buying it. This has NEVER happened before. This sucks.

 

[MJRemixer]

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i don't need all this YOU AIN'T GOT PRO EARS ive listened to music since the age of 3 i never used to go out i would sit in playing LP's all day i still do now. i remix michaels music in tribute (though i wont post my website containing them) i know what michael sounds like THIS SIMPLY ISNT HIM F THE ESTATE F SONY AND F THIS F'D UP CD my say, no more.

 

[APOM]

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everytime someone like you wants to make a point. you label and belittle other fans. that's how you throw your argument out the window. try another approach. and unbreakable is not arrogant. it's showing strength in adversity. no self naming. if someone was trying to get me down, i'd say i'm strong, too. have you heard 'i am woman' by helen reddy? she said i am strong, invincible and woman. that's not aggrandizing, in the face of women being opprssed. Bad is just a gangland style funromp lyric. and HIStory is just a circus style victory march that fans wanted to see and eat right up. no self naming over and over, as i am Michael Jackson the big kahunal in BN.

Ok, I'll admit you make a good point about 'Unbreakable'. I should probably not have included that song in the list. I stand by my opinion regarding the other works I mentioned though. And I think that maybe you should try to look at BN's lyrics from a different angle... My interpretation is that the "Michael Jackson" he keeps referring to in the song is a personality or an entity that he does not recognize. He spits the name out, almost with distaste. It refers to the image the media twisted him in to. A creature made of rumors and lies. This is further evident from the chorus, where he sings "Who is this boogieman you're thinking of?" It is my opinion that he explored the same theme on 'Threatened' -- on that song he's saying that, if you really believe all the crap that's written about him, all the rumors and all lies, if you believe that he's this monster and that he's dangerous, then you should bloody well be threatened by him.

I didn't mean to belittle anyone by what I wrote in my previous post, but sometimes I get carried away I guess. Everyone interprets Michael's work differently, and what may be "obvious" to some, may mean something completely different to others. This is what makes being a fan interesting. I'll go back and edit the post.

 

[JMie]

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Originally Posted by Chaos

From Teddy's twitter:

@MissChiviouss CORY PRODUCE AND MANAGE TARYLL. CONNECTION THERE...ASK WHY HE DON'T SAID THAT ABOUT SONY? READ BTW LINES

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@CaseyRain CORY IS A LIE AND WHEN HE CAME TO MY SESSION HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON TARYLL'S SIDE...CONT.

@CaseyRain THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THAT ROOM DIDN'T WANT TO ARGUE AND GO BACK AND FORTH WITH TARYLL WHO SPOKE THE WHOLE SESSION.

@CaseyRain WHAT I SAID IN THAT MEETING WAS IT DON'T MAKE ME NO DIFFERENCE WHETHER THESE SONGS GET USE OR NOT. ITS THE ESTATES DECISION. CONT

@CaseyRain WE LET TARYLL TALK CAUSE HE WAS VERY HOSTILE IN THE MEETING...CONT.

@CaseyRain WE LET HIM TLK AS WE NOD OUR HEADS CAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL AN ADAMANT PERSON ANYTHING.

 

[JMie]

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I am out of this thread. Those who don't believe will never believe. It's their loss.